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You guys keep saying that he could have had a smaller event.. I keep hearing that HE could have found ways to reduce costs..
Two things come to mind:
1. did he himself have any control over how many people want to come to this event..... The answer is HOW COULD HE.. The enormous amount of folks expected to attend is driving the security costs up and up... I'm sure that's a large part of the costs..
2. Who pays for things that Obama may have been able to control? to this, I have no answer. I don't honestly know if it's the american people, private donations, leftover campaign monies,, the DNC....I honestly don't know.
I'd have to assume that some portion would be at taxpayer expense.. I'd also have to assume that some portion of every inaugaration in the past was picked up by the taxpayer.
The question then becomes, if it's private donations, what difference does it make? If it's the DNC,,,, stupid, but again, what difference does it make? If it's left over campaign money, what difference does it make?
IN any of those cases, I think there are better uses for that money...feeding homeless, education etc etc...but if it's any of those things,, it's not like if they didn't spend it on this, that they would have spent it on something you would approve of......
Only if it's taxpayer money would I be upset,, but it seems that you guys are mad and you don't know for sure where it's coming from.,.
Show me I'm paying for it with my tax dollars and I'll stand with you in protest..**
**keep in mind, I do believe that some portion is taxpayer dollars for this and all former inaugarations... so let's not get stupid if you find out that 5 million is taxpayer money and the rest is other. let's be fair.
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What these complaining people forget is that the reason that the cost is so high is due to the security efforts in the city. Due to millions of people in the city(up to 2million people coming), crowd control, metro usage..etc, yes, its expensive but its being used for security. The most of various balls in the city are NOT PAID by the Inauguration comittee. The ones that are, are the ones that are being thrown for more average people to give the more access to things( there is a free military ball..etc). There are things that Obama is paying for, like that concert on Sunday. Again, free for all people.
GM, Water and the rest are complaining to complain. Did they complain when Bush had his Inauguration?? The more people you have coming into this city/region, the more the cost will be!!
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I have complained about the last few DC  They could have the thing indoors and not invite the general public. You want to watch..... stay home and turn on your TV
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With all due respect Clem, I will withhold my own historic celebration of this momentous occassion of "who we are as Americans" until a few years from now
I agree.
I think he is a press clipping. but he is my President, so I give him respect, even if I don't like the guy.
We will see.
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I the Pres Elec invites the people of the US to Washington and those people show up, then there will be a cost to it. And did you complain when Ron Reagan passed and there was a HUGE show here in DC??? I bet not. And that cost was covered totally by the taxpayer! So, yes, there are times when we will spend money for certain good causes and things. Yes, total extravagance is bad but again, alot of these costs are about security.
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I agree......he deserves this just like anyone else.....just like President Bush and his wife deserved to leave a gift of china to the White House like almost every other President and his wife have without people whining and moaning.
Show some darn respect even if you don't like the person.
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I the Pres Elec invites the people of the US to Washington and those people show up, then there will be a cost to it.
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and time when we will waste money, and yep I complain about them.
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Just let the coronation end so we can put his butt to work doing something constructive besides wasting another 150 mil we can't afford.
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I have complained about the last few DC They could have the thing indoors and not invite the general public. You want to watch..... stay home and turn on your TV
I see your point GM,, and I know that Obama was NOT your candidate of choice. But even you must see the significant nature of this particular inaugaration. it's unlike any other we've experienced in our life times..
So while I agree, this could have been staged indoors with no public invited just to keep costs down. I don't see how you DON'T invite the public to the swearing in of thier leader and get away with it and I don't care what his color is.
Like him or not, he's OUR president.. and many many many people want to see him take the oath of office...
There is one other side to this and I know I'm going to get beat up for it.
it's not scientific by any means, but I'm fairly convinced that a large portion of what we are hearing about the economy is what the media says.. I'm not convinced it's as bad as they make it out.. They report how many people lost jobs, but they don't report how many are working. What's that say about what makes the news and what doesn't.
So to me, a big part of hearing Obama make his speech in front of a couple of million folks is the message that he has been excellent in sending out.
Like him or hate him.. I don't know one person that doesn't at least think highly of his communication and message delivery skills.
Maybe,,, just maybe, we could use a shot in the arm to shake some things up...
I can only hope it works..
By the way, has anyone got some real answers on who is paying for what? Just wondering if there is even a reason to have this discussion anymore...
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Let's not ignore the elephant in the room. This event is expected to be so big for 1 simple reason: he's black and will be the president of the U.S.
It is something that so many people never envisioned even being able to happen, let alone living to see it.
If he were a white person and this much was being spent, I'd have a problem with it. He is not white (can't believe I just said that, as truthfully he's half white). Regardless, it is a momentous occasion for this country. (again, ignoring the half white thing).
Obama did not ask for the huge amounts of money to be spent, it's just part of the deal. Security is a big portion of the cost - due to so many people showing up. Why are they showing up? Race.
I'd much rather have the money spent on security as opposed to letting some radical person/group create havoc.
Now, if they were doing things out of the ordinary, I'd have a problem with that as well - i.e. throwing huge parties at the taxpayers expense and what not - things that are not normal for an inaugeration.
Obama didn't ask for the money to be spent - others made that decision - partly for his safety, and partly for the safety of the throngs expected. It's not Obama's fault.
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Like him or hate him.. I don't know one person that doesn't at least think highly of his communication and message delivery skills.
Well, technically you don't know me, so I might let that slide: however, I am one that is not impressed with his communication OR message. After all, all he's run on is "change". We've never heard exactly what that entails, and the few details we've been privvy to have changed. It's one thing to say something........and it's a totally different thing to actually do it.
Obama has set himself up. He did so in order to win the office, but if he doesn't follow through, he'll be nothing but another politician in my mind - and then comes the "what did he do for me" thing.
He is/will be the first black president of the U.S. That in itself is major. The question is, will he be a good president? Will he be able to accomplish anything he's promised? (and in my mind, ANY pres. that can accomplish even 20% of what they promised is doing a heck of a job).
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No it isn't unless him being a Negro makes it special.
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I guess I'm an evil person for not being too excited about tomorrow. I see it as another corrupt politician taking charge of this country. I won't be watching tomorrow as I will be at work. Even if I was home I'd probably just have the TV on in the background while doing something else. Good communication skills are nice, but it's going to take more than a pretty speech to excite me. Actons will always speak louder than words. I'm with Dcdawg when he says he will celebrate when Obama does some good things.
I do agree with you Daman that the media is making the current economic stuff sound worse than it is. I turn on the TV in the morning and am told the sky is falling. If I go to the mall, it is packed. If I go to a concert, it is sold out. If I go skiing, I sit in 45 minute lift lines.
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I guess I'm an evil person for not being too excited about tomorrow. I see it as another corrupt politician taking charge of this country.
My goodness, you act like the guys from the Chicago political tree.
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The liberal media does that so when it turns out better than they proclaim, they can proclaim Obama god and savior.
A few of us aren't fooled.
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Let's not ignore the elephant in the room. This event is expected to be so big for 1 simple reason: he's black and will be the president of the U.S.
It is something that so many people never envisioned even being able to happen, let alone living to see it.
If he were a white person and this much was being spent, I'd have a problem with it. He is not white (can't believe I just said that, as truthfully he's half white). Regardless, it is a momentous occasion for this country. (again, ignoring the half white thing).
OK since you want to talk about the elephant in the room. Yes, he is the first AA Pres of the US. So that does make this one a bit different. Now lets say if Hil Clinton would have won, would the celebration be as big?? Maybe not as big but it would have been a big celebration. Would H.Clinton open the inauguration up to everyone who voted for her, probably. So maybe the numbers would not have been as big but it would have been a big celebration non the less.
Obama being the first AA Pres of the US has garnered world wide interest, so the size of this event does not surprise me. But to think that part of this only due to his race, and not people being tired of 8 years of Bush would be a mistake. People are celebrating an end of that era also! People are celebrating a person who they feel is qualified for the job and want him to get the job done! SO you make a mistake to say its just race!
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No it isn't unless him being a Negro makes it special.
Peen, you know as well as anyone that him being black is what makes this such an occasion. Like it, hate it, or indifferent about it, that's what this is about.
Obama didn't ask for special treatment for the inaugeration. It was decided upon by people behind the scenes.
Obama will have his hands full after becoming president - just as all presidents have. I for one will not hold this inaugeration cost against him in any way. He didn't ask for it, it came to him.
Now, after this momentous occasion, Obama becomes, to me, just a regular old dude - a president. His race will have nothing to do with my like or dislike of him. This is something he DID ask for - to become president. And being so, he, and others, must be willing to deal with any criticism or praise of his job based not on race, but on his actions in the job he did ask for.
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Maybe you did but please show me the posts where you thought the entire election process is a waste of money? Because you and I know it is but I doubt you barked about that. Or maybe the posts where you complained about the cost of RR funeral?? Something tells me you might have thought it, but did not write it down. As tight as I am with money, yes, I complain about the waste of money also but I also know that for certain events, money is going to be spent. Should it be held down, yes, but lets not kid ourselves either!
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But to think that part of this only due to his race, and not people being tired of 8 years of Bush would be a mistake. People are celebrating an end of that era also! People are celebrating a person who they feel is qualified for the job and want him to get the job done! SO you make a mistake to say its just race!
I did not make a mistake. His inauguration is/will be so big for one simple reason: his race. You don't need to like it. You don't need to agree with it. No skin off my back.
However, ask yourself this: If Obama was instead considered a white person, and he had the same views, the vote was the same, etc, etc, would this event be this big? The simple answer is no, and that is not disputable.
I do not begrudge the people celebrating Obama's presidency one bit. I believe that shows in my previous posts. I do not blame Obama at all for the cost of tomorrow.
But to insinuate that the size of this celebration has anything to do with anything other than race is to ignore the obvious. Perhaps it's intentional, perhaps not. But, sorry. The size of tomorrows event has everything to do with race. And honestly, I'm glad it's such a big deal.
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Well sure it does....but unlike many...I will treat the guy with respect even if I don't like him and hope he turns out all proclaimed.
In the future....I may at some point say Obama in the attempt to speed things up, but I doubt it will be after addressing him as President Obama at the beginning of the post....too bad President Bush didn't get the same respect.
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Well sure it does....but unlike many...I will treat the guy with respect even if I don't like him and hope he turns out all proclaimed.
In the future....I may at some point say Obama in the attempt to speed things up, but I doubt it will be after addressing him as President Obama at the beginning of the post....too bad President Bush didn't get the same respect.
I agree. You know me and have read too many of my posts - you know that I agree. As a matter of fact, when the Iranian president called Obama a "house negro..." or something to that effect, I was the FIRST person to say that bothered me. People can check that out if they care to. As I said at the time: "Obama is MY president elect, and I don't like having him called that" (not a direct quote, by the way)
And again: I wish people would give Pres. Bush respect, but sadly it appears calling him stupid, or "the worst president ever" or some such variation, is the "cool" thing to do. And quite honestly, it pisses me off.
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History usually trumps popular opinion, so I suspect as the events of the next 20 years unfold, the opinion of President Bush will change.
Unpopular decisions usually pan out over time because I am convinced the vast majority of people in this country are either uninformed or just plain stupid.
Go walk through the local mall or amusement park and you will see what I mean.
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I'm a little amazed.. Nobody said it out right, but I'm getting the feeling that if Obama was a white man and said the things he's said, he would not be refered to as anything but a good guy trying to lead the country in a new direction.
maybe it's just me,, and I admit, it could be. But I'm sensing some racism and I must say, that if I"m reading it right,, I'm pretty disappointed in some folks on this board....
I'm good with differing opinions.. but this feels different...
I gotta say, I gotta jump off this thread for good... I'm afraid it could get ugly and I really don't want to be part of it....
Hope you guys figure it out,, but I'm outta this one...
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I'm a little amazed.. Nobody said it out right, but I'm getting the feeling that if Obama was a white man and said the things he's said, he would not be refered to as anything but a good guy trying to lead the country in a new direction.
maybe it's just me,, and I admit, it could be. But I'm sensing some racism and I must say, that if I"m reading it right,, I'm pretty disappointed in some folks on this board....
I'm good with differing opinions.. but this feels different...
I gotta say, I gotta jump off this thread for good... I'm afraid it could get ugly and I really don't want to be part of it....
Hope you guys figure it out,, but I'm outta this one...
I sincerely hope you are not referring to me with your reply.
Read what I have said about Obama, not only in this thread, but in any other thread you can find.
If saying the reason for this inauguration being so big simply because Obama is black is a rascist thing to say, my friend, your grip on reality is slipping.
Let me say it again: the reason tomorrow is such a big deal is very simple: because Obama is black (although that is misleading as well, but in our society, someone that looks black is considered black in the eyes of many).
I do not begrudge Obama or any of his supporters, or ANYONE for that matter, making a big deal out of it. In fact, I'm happy for it - and no one that reads what I have said here, or anywhere else, can argue that.
If you were in any sense referring to me with your above post, I must say I'm offended. I thought you were smarter than that.
Obama's race plays a part in this for 1 simple reason: he will be the first black president of the u.s. Ever. Plain and simple. It IS something to be celebrated, and like it or not, his race is the driving factor in how big tomorrow is. To deny that is idiocy.
Again, while you say you are out of this thread for good, I would like clarification as to exactly who you were referring to with your above quote. State it here, or pm me, please.
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Nah, most people who hated Bush don't own guns. 
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I also dont think there are anymore people who want Obama killed then there were people who would have wanted Bush killed. Hell, Bush had a 29% approval rating. Some of those 71% had to be some crazy dudes.
Nah, most people who hated Bush don't own guns.
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And again: I wish people would give Pres. Bush respect, but sadly it appears calling him stupid, or "the worst president ever" or some such variation, is the "cool" thing to do. And quite honestly, it pisses me off.
I don't call him stupid because it's cool...I call him that because he always appeared to possess a very low intelligence. Because he speaks like an idiot, and what he has to say is almost always painfully idiotic. Because he's a product of his father's name who has never done anything remotely close to earning the respect normally reserved for the position he had. He fails constantly, and he fails with arrogance.
He drank away his youth, plodded through college, and didn't find himself on a career path until his mid-30's or so, when he began to run a few businesses into the ground. His ignorance stems from being sheltered and pampered his whole life, never being forced to meet a challenge. His presidency was marked by the leash around his neck that allowed his father's lackeys to do whatever they pleased. Tell me again how any of that commands respect or displays even competent intelligence?
It's not his fault that he got elected to a job he had no business sniffing, and I do think he tried his best. But I wouldn't hire the man to run a Sizzler.
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Typical of you. It's always easier to cast stones isn't it? Bashing someone is much easier than giving credit. Attempting to knock someone down to your level is much easier than trying to raise yourself to someone else's level (and I'm not just talking you and Bush here - you try to knock everyone down). Honestly, I already have a good feeling about what you'll be saying about Obama in the future. 
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Typical of you. It's always easier to cast stones isn't it? Bashing someone is much easier than giving credit. Attempting to knock someone down to your level is much easier than trying to raise yourself to someone else's level (and I'm not just talking you and Bush here - you try to knock everyone down).
Honestly, I already have a good feeling about what you'll be saying about Obama in the future.
If that is how he feels then what is he supposed to say? If he feels that Bush was a horrible president is he supposed to lie and say otherwise? Thats what great about this country, everyone has the right to speak their mind.
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Typical of you. It's always easier to cast stones isn't it? Bashing someone is much easier than giving credit. Attempting to knock someone down to your level is much easier than trying to raise yourself to someone else's level (and I'm not just talking you and Bush here - you try to knock everyone down).
Honestly, I already have a good feeling about what you'll be saying about Obama in the future.
If that is how he feels then what is he supposed to say? If he feels that Bush was a horrible president is he supposed to lie and say otherwise? Thats what great about this country, everyone has the right to speak their mind.
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It could be said with a little class in my opinon. Plus, good or bad, it will not be known for years, concerning Bush's presidency.
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it will not be known for years, concerning Bush's presidency.
Brother , my bank account and 401 K , the economy , world opinion can tell you right now that the man was bad news for the country .
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Brother , my bank account and 401 K , the economy , world opinion can tell you right now that the man was bad news for the country .
So greedy CEO's that made poor business decisions had nothing to do with this?
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Typical of you. It's always easier to cast stones isn't it? Bashing someone is much easier than giving credit. Attempting to knock someone down to your level is much easier than trying to raise yourself to someone else's level (and I'm not just talking you and Bush here - you try to knock everyone down).
Honestly, I already have a good feeling about what you'll be saying about Obama in the future.
If that is how he feels then what is he supposed to say? If he feels that Bush was a horrible president is he supposed to lie and say otherwise? Thats what great about this country, everyone has the right to speak their mind.
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It could be said with a little class in my opinon. Plus, good or bad, it will not be known for years, concerning Bush's presidency.
Ok maybe the Sizzler comment at the end was a little over the top, but I didnt really see anything wrong with the content of the rest of what he said.
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Greed isn't always a bad thing but left unchecked you get what we have now . Someone wasn't minding the store plain and simple now who's fault that is maybe open for debate but as in football the HC gets the ultimate blame for the teams failure .
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it will not be known for years, concerning Bush's presidency.
Brother , my bank account and 401 K , the economy , world opinion can tell you right now that the man was bad news for the country .
Brother, you give Bush too much credit.
He's responsible for oil prices going through the roof, then tanking? He's responsible for the world wide recession? Banks in England are getting bailed out for the second time, and Bush is responsible?
Come on, gimme a break. People that have no clue about the world economy bash Bush. Seriously, if only the president of the u.s. had the ability to affect the worlds economy.................
Oh, as for your 401k? My wife and I have lost a combined $36,000 this year. And we are not rich. We were close to having $100,000 in investments. Yeah, Bush cost us that money, didn't he? 
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Bashing someone is much easier than giving credit.
What exactly should he be given credit for? The failed business ventures? The mediocre grades? The disastrous presidency? You want me to pat him on the head?
In my previous post I said that I felt he tried as best he could, but couldn't get over the limitations of his lack of intelligence. That's about all the credit I think he deserves.
He looks like an idiot, talks like an idiot, and acts like an idiot. His actions have increased world terrorism, ballooned the national debt, and sent this country so far backwards that it will likely take two or three administrations to clean up his blunders. For the majority of his time in office, he was little more than a puppet for his father's associates, whose actions cost the lives of thousands and thousands of innocent people in the name of making a buck for their cohorts...and I'm supposed to ignore those things and give him respect because the people of this country gave him a respectable job?
We've had Billy Madison as our president for the last eight years...and I'm supposed to be ok with that? What if we elected Lindsay Lohan? Should I give her respect and not call her what she is?
it's not merely a case of me knocking Bush down...he tripped over his own shoes a long time ago.
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Honestly, I already have a good feeling about what you'll be saying about Obama in the future.
I will probably have the same complaints about government corruption and misconduct that I always have.
But as it stands, I would probably trust him to run a Sizzler.
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Seriously, if only the president of the u.s. had the ability to affect the worlds economy.................
As the leader of the worlds #1 economy you bet the American President has the power to effect change on the economies of the world . Really Arch I'm sure if you would have thought that one out you'd have gotten there by yourself.
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I see your point GM,, and I know that Obama was NOT your candidate of choice. But even you must see the significant nature of this particular inaugaration. it's unlike any other we've experienced in our life times..
Not really. A man is becoming our President. It has happened many times before in our lifetimes.
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Like him or not, he's OUR president..
Yep he he deserves a chance to due his job. I didn't vote for him, but I hope and pray he proves me wrong and becomes the best president this nation has ever seen.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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GM,
Maybe you did but please show me the posts where you thought the entire election process is a waste of money? Because you and I know it is but I doubt you barked about that. Or maybe the posts where you complained about the cost of RR funeral?? Something tells me you might have thought it, but did not write it down. As tight as I am with money, yes, I complain about the waste of money also but I also know that for certain events, money is going to be spent. Should it be held down, yes, but lets not kid ourselves either!
Sorry bro but message boards have not been around as long as I have been complaining about junk like this. Just ask anybody who knows me, and they would be glad to tell you about the things I bitch about 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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