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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1169372544266510.xml&coll=2NFL INSIDER Browns stuck on same track with decision to train Sunday, January 21, 2007 Tony Grossi Plain Dealer Reporter The hiring of Rob Chudzinski as Browns offensive coordinator continues the on-the-job-training mentality in Berea. Whenever a key position opens, the Browns more times than not fill it with a person who has never held the job before in the NFL. Chudzinski, 38, actually was elevated to the role of offensive play-caller for the last five games in 2004 when Terry Robiskie took over the team as interim head coach. Advertisement It was a chaotic time, with the team forced to play untested rookie Luke McCown at quarterback because of injuries to Jeff Garcia and Kelly Holcomb. The Browns scored 15 points, 7, 0 and 7 as McCown regressed with every snap he took. When Holcomb finally saddled up, the Browns beat Houston in the season finale, 22-14. That was hardly a referendum on Chudzinski's work, of course. It was less of a trial than Jeff Davidson's 10 games in relief of Maurice Carthon last season. So it's unfair to judge him on those five games. In three NFL seasons, Chudzinski has only coached tight ends in Cleveland and San Diego. Before that, he only coached tight ends at University of Miami before he was elevated to offensive coordinator. Tight ends is the smallest position group in the pantheon of assistant coaching. Now he is responsible for roughly 25 players, including two of the most volatile personalities in the Browns locker room - Kellen Winslow Jr., whom he coached at Miami, and Braylon Edwards. The Browns' situation begged for an experienced hand. Given the tenuous status of coach Romeo Crennel after two losing seasons, it should not come as a surprise that the hiring pool was extremely limited. Chudzinski's hiring probably will result in Davidson leaving. He may wind up as Ken Whisenhunt's offensive coordinator in Arizona, though Whisenhunt intends to implement his offense and call the plays. Davidson also interviewed on Saturday with the Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed position on John Fox's staff. If Davidson leaves, the Browns will have to find another offensive line coach. It's possible they would promote Jeff Uhlenhake, who has been Davidson's assistant but has never been the primary offensive line coach in the NFL. No Henning: Dan Henning, one of the NFL's most experienced and respected offensive coordinators, was available to the Browns, but they didn't seriously consider him. Henning, 64, was fired by Carolina last week after injuries undermined the Panthers' high expectations. Henning was lured out of semiretirement by Carolina coach John Fox five years ago and was hoping to keep the job another year and retire. Advertisement Henning has 28 years of NFL coaching experience and has worked under Don Shula, Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells. He worked on the same Jets staff with Romeo Crennel in 1998-99. Days before Chudzinski was hired, Browns General Manager Phil Savage replied in an e-mail, "Dan is an obvious coach to contact. We are not sure where he is in life right now." In a phone interview, Henning said he was unsure if he wanted to continue his career. He preferred to stay close to his permanent home in Jacksonville, Fla. Ernie's farewell: Ernie Accorsi's remarkable run as an executive officially ended on Monday when he cleaned out his office as Giants general manager. We term Accorsi's career remarkable because he began as a sportswriter and then worked 36 years in the NFL, including separate stints as general manager of the Baltimore Colts, the Browns and the Giants. "I have nothing against any team, but those are three great, historic franchises, and working for them is the one thing I feel most grateful for," Accorsi said. Accorsi was Browns "director of football operations" from 1985 to '92. He cited his trade of Earnest Byner following the 1988 season as one of the biggest regrets of his career. (Contrary to myth, Byner was not traded after his fumble in the 1987 season AFC title game cost the Browns a prime chance to tie that game in the waning minutes. They lost, 38-33, after Denver conceded a safety. He was dealt the following year after his back-to-back personal fouls contributed to a 24-23 loss to Houston in a wild-card game.) Accorsi was the driving force in shipping Byner to Washington for nondescript scatback Mike Oliphant. "I got a Christmas card from Byner and I wrote a note to him," Accorsi said. "I told him it's the trade I regret the most. "I did it for the wrong reason. I always thought it was a Bill Buckner situation. I didn't know him well enough to know how tough he was. He would've handled [the backlash from the fumble and the penalties]. "He has been so wonderful to me over the years. I spoke one time at a banquet in Baltimore, and he was there to speak, too. He stood up and said, 'I want to thank Ernie Accorsi for drafting me.' He didn't say a word about the trade."
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Browns stuck on same track with decision to train Sad but true.................... 
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Dan Henning, one of the NFL's most experienced and respected offensive coordinators, was available to the Browns, but they didn't seriously consider him.
Henning, 64, was fired by Carolina last week after injuries undermined the Panthers' high expectations. Henning was lured out of semiretirement by Carolina coach John Fox five years ago and was hoping to keep the job another year and retire.
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Henning has 28 years of NFL coaching experience and has worked under Don Shula, Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells. He worked on the same Jets staff with Romeo Crennel in 1998-99.
Days before Chudzinski was hired, Browns General Manager Phil Savage replied in an e-mail, "Dan is an obvious coach to contact. We are not sure where he is in life right now."
In a phone interview, Henning said he was unsure if he wanted to continue his career. He preferred to stay close to his permanent home in Jacksonville, Fla.
How is this "not seriously considering him, if he doesn't want to coach here? He said he wants to stay close to home, and he is OLD. Why the big fuss?
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Dan Henning, one of the NFL's most experienced and respected offensive coordinators, was available to the Browns, but they didn't seriously consider him.
Henning, 64, was fired by Carolina last week after injuries undermined the Panthers' high expectations. Henning was lured out of semiretirement by Carolina coach John Fox five years ago and was hoping to keep the job another year and retire.
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Henning has 28 years of NFL coaching experience and has worked under Don Shula, Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells. He worked on the same Jets staff with Romeo Crennel in 1998-99.
Days before Chudzinski was hired, Browns General Manager Phil Savage replied in an e-mail, "Dan is an obvious coach to contact. We are not sure where he is in life right now."
In a phone interview, Henning said he was unsure if he wanted to continue his career. He preferred to stay close to his permanent home in Jacksonville, Fla.
How is this "not seriously considering him, if he doesn't want to coach here? He said he wants to stay close to home, and he is OLD. Why the big fuss?
Because Grossi sucks at his job...that's why
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Good grief. Why ANYONE would want Henning here is beyond me. it'd be more of the same. The Panthers' O was ridiculed for being too conservative and dumb, in fact, we saw that when they played us!
I'm not thrilled with Chud, but I think he makes a lot more sense than Henning.
Did RAC pee in Grossi's cereal? Or give him a Dick in a Box as a gift? Geez...
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The problem is that Grossi hates ol Bill, and because RAC came from that same background, hates him too. Grossi is a fool and just continues bad sports writing in cleveland. I miss Hal...
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Whenever a key position opens, the Browns more times than not fill it with a person who has never held the job before in the NFL.
Comments like this are SO aggrivating to me.
Before Lovie Smith took over the Bears, how much HC experience did he have?
Before Sean Payton took over the Saints, how much HC experience did he have?
Before Eric Mangini took over for the Jets, how much HC experience did he have?
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Hey, I know of an OC with several years of NFL experience. He has Super Bowl rings and everything.
How about we bring in Maurice Carthon?
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If the OC is talented, he already has a job. If the OC doesn't have a job... he was probably medicore. Why hirer known mediocrity? 
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The problem is that Grossi hates ol Bill, and because RAC came from that same background, hates him too. Grossi is a fool and just continues bad sports writing in cleveland. I miss Hal...
I know the agenda's out there, hence the Tressel and Cowher articles. I don't think he's completely off-base either.
He's said some really dumb stuff too, like the west coast offense wouldn't work in Cleveland, for example. Promoting Henning is one of the dumbest things he's said, too.
People call for a head coach with previous experience, well, there's two on the market right now, Parcells and Cowher. Cowher's probably the only one looking for a second job. The rest have failed in other places. Why would we want a failure?
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Well,he was certainly correct in the first part of the article. Once again we "promote" people with little to no experience at the job. What's new?
I wouldn't have a problem with it IF we had a big time,veteran HC. But he still has his training wheels too. We have a coaching staff that's undertrained and underqualified. And the Chud addition is only a continuation of that same failed reasoning that has gotten us to where we are right now.
I just have a question for all of you who DO approve of this move. Are you going to accept Chud having no experience and being "new to the job" as an excuse NEXT year? If they pass on Thomas for the latest "super kid" are you going to buy into it as "Chud needed more weapons to exicute his O?"
It's simply a repitative,ongoing process that we keep making that leads to futility. And I for one simply don't approve of it.
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Typical Grossi,,, Makes a statement but doesn't say who he thinks would have been a better choice... He doesn't even offer suggestions other than a 64 year old Dan Henning who says he's not even sure he want to coach anywhere.
I would love it for once if a writer like Grossi or that Phil Morris guy would suggest someone better before they complain about who we did hire.
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I'm still trying to figure all this out ... Seems to me that Savage feels Junior is going to give him , lets say five years , no mater what .. He is going to bring in the players he wants first and then the coach's to implement " Opie Ball "  Hey maybe 
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You may be right about the way "it will be done". But if we end up in the same boat next year,is that what "they'll say"?  Don't forget,the spin machine dictates what we're "told" not necassarily "what's really going on". 
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Correct! We the fans only hear a snipit of what is going on in the FO. As for this newest hirering, Cant for the life of me see what rac see's in this guy! he's an unknown , unproven, TE coach. 
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I may be way offfffffffffffffffff base .. But I get the feeling that Phil is not worried about nuttin ! Has all the faith in the world in himself . If Junior ran him off , he would be working in a week if he so desired ! .. I believe he wants ( with all his heart ) to be a winner with the Browns , but it will be his way ! .. I just have a very different approach to team building than Uncle Phil ...
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You probably do,,, the difference here is that HE has the job.... you don't
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Don't forget,the spin machine dictates what we're "told" not necassarily "what's really going on".
Are you guys really this dense?
Why do you think the press exists?
I'll give you a hint: To question the establishment and to publically compare "what's is really going on" with what we're "told" by the establishment is going on.
Would you prefer the only Browns news we get is official press releases bearing Lerner's stamp of approval? Can you think of how that might actually be a bad thing? One source of news, unquestioned, coming from the establishment itself?
You can't complain about a "spin machine" while at the same time castigating the media for printing articles that differ from the position of the establishment.
Grossi has a history of healthy mistrust and scepticism of the Browns organization and fluff articles about how great the organization is, how great its coaching staff are, and how talented our players are is the last thing we need here in Cleveland.
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Grossi is an idiot, just like Shaw and Livingston.
Cabot is the only PD sportswriter that actually produces any meaningful info.
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Cabot is the only PD sportswriter that actually produces any meaningful info.
Ya, really. I especially like how every week for the past 2 years she's been looking to create a quarterback contraversy.
Gotta love that.
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Whatever, I've been reading the PD for awhile now, and Cabot is the only sportwriter worth reading. I've never seen her trying to drum up any kind of controversy, ever.
Now Grossi--completely different story.
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But he still has his training wheels too.
Did you ever stop to think it's because most of our players still have training wheels on as well, or do you really think established coaches are just itching to come to Cleveland and coach an organization composed of a bunch of misfits, stop-gappers and second-stringers in a town so fickle they can't see the forest for the trees?
-- We have 3 first round draft picks on the team over the last 8 years.
-- If a QB fumbles a ball, we boo him out of town.
-- We think we're the center of the football universe and "deserve" something without working for it, no matter how many times we've personally voted to tear the team down and start over. As if the other 31 teams don't deserve it as much as we do, let alone the fact they have better players on their team.
-- We're so tired of losing, we run any coach out of town who can't take a 2-8 team to the Superbowl in a year even though we see on a yearly basis the "star" players we so loudly argue over can't even find work on another NFL team if we release them.
-- We create so much pressure publically -- in all directions -- that year after year it threatens to rip the team apart, then we complain that we "deserve" something more, something better
-- Year after year we look outwards to find someone or something to blame our "Superbowl miss" on, and often find it, no matter if it's related or not: a punter, a QB, a coach, a dropped pass, a missed field goal.
-- Facts be damned, he who screams the loudest must speak the truth.
-- We're so jealous of the other teams in our division for being successful and proving that patience, stability and drafting skills win games, yet we don't want to hear any of that, so we mask our intense jealousy with hatred and direct it at our own players and coaching staff, regardless of facts
If you've got an inside line on that list of coaches who is dying to come here and be a part of this, I suggest you forward it to Savage post haste.
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People coach for $$$$$. Get a clue. Quit making excuses for a FO that hires wannabe's. A TE coach for God's sake? ANYBODY trying to excuse that bone headed move is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other one.
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Hopefully Chudzinski's offense will put up more points and yards this year, and then all the naysayers will be forced to eat their words.
Here's a novel idea, Let the guy put his offense together and call a few games before you judge him.
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Are you guys really this dense?
Why do you think the press exists?
You mean the same press we've had around here since 99 that doesn't have a clue what's really going on? Oh yeah,they've been real helpfull.
And then,when they DO point out the obvious,like hiring a TE coach to be OC??? And what a moronic concept that is? You guys dismiss them and sacrifice them. Hell,when they tell the truth you kick em' in the nads. So what is it "the press" does again?
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Whatever, I've been reading the PD for awhile now, and Cabot is the only sportwriter worth reading. I've never seen her trying to drum up any kind of controversy, ever.
I suggest you check your back-issues.
-- Couch vs Holcomb
-- Garcia vs. Holcomb
-- Holcomb vs. Mccown
-- Garcia vs McCown
-- Dilfer vs. Frye
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People coach for $$$$$.
Get a clue. Quit making excuses for a FO that hires wannabe's. A TE coach for God's sake? ANYBODY trying to excuse that bone headed move is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other one.
It must really suck for you to be forced to cheer for a team that does absolutely nothing you like.
Generally, most people choose their favourite teams in a different manner.
Its substantially easier on the rage that way.
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Hopefully Chudzinski's offense will put up more points and yards this year, and then all the naysayers will be forced to eat their words.
Here's a novel idea, Let the guy put his offense together and call a few games before you judge him.
So let's just accept that a TE coach is an OC? I think it's a crazy idea and "hope" I'm wrong. But to blindly think the odds of success is in our favor on this,I think is a fool's paradise. I've seen too many disapointments to blindly follow what appears to be foolish decisions. And you haven't by now?
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Get a clue. Quit making excuses for a FO that hires wannabe's. A TE coach for God's sake? ANYBODY trying to excuse that bone headed move is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other one.
It must really suck for you to be forced to cheer for a team that does absolutely nothing you like.
Generally, most people choose their favourite teams in a different manner.
Its substantially easier on the rage that way.
I've been a Browns fan for 42 years. Right or wrong,win or lose. I don't put on orange and Brown glasses and hide from reality. If you do,have at it. Sorry you're so easily lead around by the nose. Not my problem.
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Hopefully Chudzinski's offense will put up more points and yards this year, and then all the naysayers will be forced to eat their words.
Here's a novel idea, Let the guy put his offense together and call a few games before you judge him.
So let's just accept that a TE coach is an OC? I think it's a crazy idea and "hope" I'm wrong. But to blindly think the odds of success is in our favor on this,I think is a fool's paradise. I've seen too many disapointments to blindly follow what appears to be foolish decisions. And you haven't by now?
You know in coaching there is a lot of truth in the statement: "you've got to start somewhere."
Most coaches start in the lower ranks until they get their shot.
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I'm less than happy with this Chudzinski signing too.
Why couldn't it have been someone with experience and by experience I mean, more than 5 games and not as an Interim Offensive Coordinator under an Interim Head Coach.
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I will vouch for Pit being a true fan of the Browns. In fact, I think he has been a fan of the Browns longer than a lot of you have been alive. Gee, maybe some people should listen to his wisdom because he has experience and has seen what works and what doesn't work.......many times over.
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You mean the same press we've had around here since 99 that doesn't have a clue what's really going on? Oh yeah,they've been real helpfull.
Grossi's been covering the Browns for about 25 years now. I'd expect someone as knowledgable as yourself to know that, but I assume you just forgot, right?
He's poked more than a few holes through the organization over that time, and he seems to want nothing more than for the organization to succeed -- like most of us I would assume.
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And then,when they DO point out the obvious,like hiring a TE coach to be OC??? And what a moronic concept that is? You guys dismiss them and sacrifice them. Hell,when they tell the truth you kick em' in the nads. So what is it "the press" does again?
Oh, now I get it! The media in always wrong, unless they say something you agree with, and then they're right. But, in those cases, they're only 'pointing out the obvious'.
I totally get it now. I had no idea the media articles are written specifically for you and should always be tailored to your opinion. My mistake.
Honestly, I can't even tell what you're ripping on now. First it was Grossi, then it's the front office, then its the coaches we're hiring, now it's the "spin-machine" in general.
They actually have medication for that kind of thing.
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My feeling is the Browns are hampered by a lame-duck head coach and a front office that isn't held in high esteem around the league.
Sorry, but a guy who has or is doing the job would have to consider this a poor choice.
New guys is a different story...they are looking for a shot, but established guys don't need this unless they are at the end of the rope.
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"He has been so wonderful to me over the years. I spoke one time at a banquet in Baltimore, and he was there to speak, too. He stood up and said, 'I want to thank Ernie Accorsi for drafting me.' He didn't say a word about the trade."
Damn...Byner was a class act.
I was quite upset with his 2 personal fouls in a row that pretty much cost us the playoff game. But I really blamed Marty for not taking him out after the first one. I could see that he was freaking out and was gonna get another one.
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No,you don't get it,and from the sounds of it,you never will.
I'll "try" to explain it to you,even though I doubt it helps...........
A guy writes a "fluff piece" and people razz em' for it. (not just Grossi)
They write a rah,rah,article? They get called a homer.
When they write a tough piece criticizing the team,even if they're right,they get treated like they shot somebodies dog!
And I'm telling you for a FACT,that there's people who post on this board who know more about what goes on behind this team than some of the sports writers in the Cleveland media.
I don't care for the fluff and rah,rah much. But when somebody has the kahunna's to spell out a problem that truely exists,then I'm willing to look at it and consider its merrits.
Now then,since you're so brilliant and have such high regard for Chud..............................
Name three successfull OC's in the NFL who went straight from being TE coach to OC? I mean surely you have some validity to your belief,right? Or are you just doing the "rah,rah" with nothing to substantiate your babbling?
Try naming TWO successfull NFL OC's who made the leap from being "a TE coach" to being OC?
Not the QB coach,who must teach the QB complete oposing D schemes and how to read them. Because that's a logical progression. Not an OL coach who knows and understands the oponents D schemes and how to game plan for them. Because that too could easily be seen as a natural progression.
But show me a TE coach who made the leap from that job STRAIGHT to Oc and was successfull as an NFL OC! Since you have such great "hope",maybe you can give substantial reasoning for what you base that on?
Or maybe not?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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If the OC is talented, he already has a job. If the OC doesn't have a job... he was probably medicore. Why hirer known mediocrity?
Affirmative action?
Oh nevermind...that's another topic.
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Name three successfull OC's in the NFL who went straight from being TE coach to OC? I mean surely you have some validity to your belief,right? Or are you just doing the "rah,rah" with nothing to substantiate your babbling?
Try naming TWO successfull NFL OC's who made the leap from being "a TE coach" to being OC?
Not the QB coach,who must teach the QB complete oposing D schemes and how to read them. Because that's a logical progression. Not an OL coach who knows and understands the oponents D schemes and how to game plan for them. Because that too could easily be seen as a natural progression.
But show me a TE coach who made the leap from that job STRAIGHT to Oc and was successfull as an NFL OC! Since you have such great "hope",maybe you can give substantial reasoning for what you base that on?
Or maybe not?
Now those ARE good questions.
I do understand his meritless babblings though....
When your team sucks as bad as ours do for as long as ours have, one tends to believe in the impossible/improbable. I know, there have been times when I have been guilty of the same....it was a "hope" that turned into a belief...where in reality, it was only a false belief.
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Ken Whisenhut went straight from TE coach with NYJ to OC of Pittsburgh Steelers.
Gil Haskell OC Seattle went from RB/WR coach to OC.
Rick Dennison OC Denver went from OL/ST coach to OC
Mike Solari OC KC went from TE coach to OC
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Just Clickin, I see an awful lot of people almost ready to throw Chud under the bus. I think it's a bit too soon for that! Chud is a TE coach jumping to our OC, but he's learned under some good people in S.D. Marty and Cameron, also learned things from S.D.'s QB coach. Now I know he had to concentrate on the TE's but he still had to learn from these other guys. Also he's been OC at Miami U. As Coach B said, somewhere on this board, I know it's colleg but it's still experience. So he's not completely ignorant of the duties at OC. I don't have any idea if he will be successful or not but I'm willing to see what he brings to the table then decide if he's capable. Ok, one more comment. I also see a lot of people saying that because we sign Chud that means we are taking Peterson. Speculation.....all speculation. Of course, enough guessing and somebody will be right.... I really don't think a guy, who's got very limited OC expereince and has only been with the Browns for 24 to 48 hours, is going to influence the one guy who will ultimately decide the draft picks, Phil. I'm sure Phil will listen to what he has to say but I'm also sure that Phil already has in mind several players he's targeted for the 3rd or 4th pick. I think Thomas probably is one of these players and Peterson, also, is one as well. There's probably several others in the event that neither of these two are available. We don't know what spot we're even picking 3 or 4??? Nor do we really know what players the teams ahead of us will pick??? So we can talk up any of the top talent players and one of them will most likely be the player we take but none of us know exactly which player that is. Personally, I want Thomas but if he's not there then I would not be disappointed with Peterson or Russell. enjoy the speculation.
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I am not a hater, but you are the one blind in one eye and can not see out of the other. We hired an OC who was a TE coach. What is the big deal, did he pee in your wheaties. Give Chud a break. At least he got the job, all you are doing is hammering away at him, and he has not even called a play yet.
I do not know if he is going to be good or not, but he is better than what we had. Our "O" was just so awesome.
And yeah I have been a fan one year longer than your ass. So I do know a little about the browns
Everybody has there own opinion, and I am fine with that. But to go after the FO for what they believe is the best guy "available" is assinine.
You me and every other poster on this and any other forum are not coach's, less ever played a pro game, or college, or even high school. Bu most seem to think they can do the job better than the coach's we have. People bitch and whine that the browns should do this should do that, and when they do not do it, the pisss, moan, swear( i do this), but guess what you are not the FO or a coach and yada yada yada.
All that I say is building takes time and we know that. But the poster above
said it best.
JMHO
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