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Again...Prior to TODAY...Exactly WHAT did u wanna hear???
I agree DinD..not sure if you misunderstood my comment or not.
I don't feel slighted by the team other than we don't win enough. I don't have any expectation to be kept abreast of all the inner talks and plans. I don't really care if anybody says anything to the press between now and maybe signing a FA, and then the draft.
Talk's cheap.....just win games.
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Did I miss something? When did the "leak" become such an issue? Is or was someone giving up our game plans?
Maybe it's me, but when I hear this guy and that guy were fired to plug the leak, especially when one of the is an assistant grounskeeper or office clerk, Then I have to wonder what's going on...
Is our new Coach paranoid? Didn't he have some issues with the PATs?
I don't care as long as he wins... but I am curious.
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Who knows? Various names were bantered about and being candidates for this and that. Some of those names may have been mentioned to a select few, just to see if the name started to show up in papers.
To me, it isn't a matter of paranoia..it is a matter of trust.
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"Why do you guys think Mangini would have the 'legends' painting covered? There cant be any good covering up a painting that someone put alot of time and effort in."
I don't know...I think he heard that Obama's stimulus package had some stuff in there for the arts so now there is a void and we can get some of that Bail out money... 
Seriously, I don't know but it certainly is not going to make the new Era fail. Its been discussed somewhere on the board. It could be something as simple as a message to the players... You want a Mural??? Paint it with the achievement of your GOALS!!!
I'm sure there was some thought behind it with a reason...but it will probably be between him and the team. Something we will here about several years from now hopefully in a SB week account from some of the players  yeah, coached took down the mural and said....
But I'm not going to let it bother me. I also don't care if we change the brand of toilet paper in Berea...there are a lot of things I don't consider meaningful in this team succeeded. If the coach wants to do these things...SO BE IT. Why must I have a reasonable explanation so I can say....OH I UNDERSTAND NOW.
I don't need to know nor do I really care.
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 OTTO... "Gosh, arguing with one of the board gurus....how dare I"
I don't have a complex about it...obviously you shouldn't - Don't be so hard on yourself.
"What the hell does that mean? Pretty sure you were trying to insult me."
Lets see, one of us was claiming the other as "CLUELESS" then cries about a reply. Football, well you contributions are pretty slim and far between and yet you were the one setting yourself up at a HIGHER Level something you whine and cry about but fail to look into the mirror. I just thought it might actually carry some weight if you displayed some knowledge somewhere rather than just claim it.
"Parcells has a good record. So does Belichick. The others, including Mangini, haven't done anything to speak of without the direct help of one of those two."
As usual you missed the entire point. They all have the same familiarities in Staff and could be overlaps in the need of their services. But why should I expect you to get a simple point. Then there is this beaut...
"And I might point out that Billy boy didn't do such a great job in his first head coaching gig. You may remember it."
You do realize this isn't Mangini's first gig don't ya.
As for the admission of media...lol that is funny He's still known for his security in NE on what is said and what goes out to the media. That was funny.
You act as if once we get this built there will be no communication set up - They are in the process of getting major pieces involved. There is logic on not letting the media in on every prospective thought and move ahead. Just cause Pluto says its all in the disrespect or respect to the fans...fact is it serves him greater than it does the fans. He's not thinking about the fans - He is thinking about writing his column...
If you can't see when you're duped why should I respect that view.
"Now, I know reading comprehension is apparently not the strong suit of most on here, but I would expect better from a NY scholar such as yourself. Nowhere did Terry Pluto say they needed to spill state secrets. Just a little Q&A with the locals."
I have received emails from fans wanting to know what kind of offense new coach Eric Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll would like to run. I have no clue. But how about making Daboll and new defensive coordinator Rob Ryan available to the media -- not just to keep the media happy, but to actually speak to the fans.
Reading comprehension...you know you deal out all the insults and then just point your finger at me and cry like a baby...but right now those requests by PLUTO are state secrets to the Browns. It has a lot with who they are targeting to become coaches...who are they waiting on. Jet Staff to get fired? Steeler Staff? Zona's staff? Why give that away to other teams making similar hires.
You know it wasn't like you had a difference of opinion. Mr. High n Mighty better than you hypocrite  It was you calling me "CLUELESS" for not agreeing with your OPINION. Not the other way around. And you haven't even remotely proven yourself correct let alone GOSH ALMIGHTY so Correct that others are clueless.
 Well I rest my case. Actually you are the one setting yourself as the know it all. You are the one throwing around insults. And then not only proven wrong with a logical explanation but sit there and claim abuse and no respect of posters opinions yet there you were...setting yourself up higher - not I.
Done over with. Ain't worth my time and I'm sure the board really loves it ³s well.
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To me, it isn't a matter of paranoia..it is a matter of trust. If it happens after you've been the coach, GM, whatever, for a couple of years then, yeah, it may be a matter of trust. If it suddenly becomes a big deal 2 weeks after you start your job, it's paranoia. Period. And what could possibly have been "leaked" in the last 2 weeks that is that big a deal? Or did I miss the secret plans for the Browns' missile silos in Berea? 
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I don't know....to me it helps to establish trust before you start talking about the location of the silo's.
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..SO BE IT. Why must I have a reasonable explanation so I can say....OH I UNDERSTAND NOW.
I don't need to know nor do I really care.
What made you think you needed a reasonable explanation? I never understood why people say they dont care about something but feel the need to say so or post about it. I said "what do you guys think?" That should show you that it wasnt directed at you. A thought crossed my mind and made me curious. Is that OK? Everything isnt about you.
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If it happens after you've been the coach, GM, whatever, for a couple of years then, yeah, it may be a matter of trust.
If it suddenly becomes a big deal 2 weeks after you start your job, it's paranoia. Period.
And what could possibly have been "leaked" in the last 2 weeks that is that big a deal? Or did I miss the secret plans for the Browns' missile silos in Berea?
Who's to say that it wasn't RL who wanted the leak fixed instead of EM?
It was widely reported immediately after Lerner interviewed Mangini that he was enamored with EM. Then after he hired EM, it was widely reported that Kokinis was the favorite of EM.
That's two big parts of the organization that were both leaked out way before either were close to being hired. I believe, and this is jmho, that some of those that refused interviews for the GM position were because word had leaked out that GK was the favorite anyway. Lerner already had caught flack for interviewing Tucker for the HC job when it was reported that Mangini was his favorite and he was looking for a HC with experience.
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Who's to say that it wasn't RL who wanted the leak fixed instead of EM?
Never said it wasn't. But if the Browns were that worried about "leaks" of their precious secrets (still haven't figured what out was that precious) then why was it that big a deal now? Lerner has been running the team for a while now. Do you think he just figured out that employees sometimes talk to reporters on the side? I hope he's not that naive. Naw, if someone was fired because of leaks or perceived leaks the finger most likely points at Mangini.
And I hope someone who is seriously interested in a job like GM of the Browns wouldn't be deterred by a report in a paper stating they think Randy Lerner has a preference for one person or another. Especially when most of that conjecture in the papers didn't take a genius to figure out.
The NFL is like a big boys club. I'm betting a good chunk of the league had an idea who Randy wanted as coach or GM long before we (or the reporters) did.
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Not trying to be a jerk but "What the crap difference does it make?" Mangini nor Coke has won or lost a freaking game yet!!!!! We have NO idea whether they will or wont until we have a year or two under there belt. If we lose more and this franchise falls in the ditch we can discuss all these little things like they really mattered. If we win and this franchise turns the corner all this stupid crap will be forgotten and they will look like geniuses.  The one thing we dont know is how it will turn out these guys are given a flippen chance to prove it. Come on guys......this is retarded at this point! Could you guys at least give these guys ONE year before you critique them to death and sentence them to the guilatine(sp) 
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Me or everyone in general? If your asking me, Ive already stated the positives and optimism on Mangini in numerous threads on multiple sites. I know nothing on Kokinis to have an opinion either way. He hasnt made one transaction yet. Im obviously rooting for the both of them to succeed.
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I think we're going to get very very tired of reading Cleveland sports article after article about how the team is treating the fans all wrong for not kowtowing to the press. The problem in Cleveland is that they really do have the ability to poison the well pretty effectively. I've read that Randy has gone after press leaks and I suspect Mangini and now Kokinis are on board with it and OF COURSE Cleveland mud-slingers are going to get very bent when their moles are discovered and cut out and the team puts up a strong front, it's their livelihood at stake.
But the team has no reason to believe that being open to the press with lots of leaks is good for the team in the long or short run. It's proven to be a problem. These guys like to create problems, amp up small problems and destabilize in general. Anybody with military experience knows how careful you need to be for overall operations to be successful to seriously limit the press's ability to report the gory details. I feel like we all need to watch the press in the coming weeks and months with a very wary eye. They have their own best interests and agendas at heart, not the team's.
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"I never understood why people say they dont care about something but feel the need to say so or post about it. I said "what do you guys think?" That should show you that it wasnt directed at you. A thought crossed my mind and made me curious. Is that OK? Everything isnt about you."
You're kidding me? All I did was answer your question. What a weird response. I didn't think my response was at all confrontational just answering your question as if we were two guys sitting at a bar talking about our Browns?
Whats up with that? 
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I guess I should be surprised that so many of you are clueless about what a real team does for and with it's fans. But since we haven't had a real team here in about a dozen years perhaps it's understandable.
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Terry Pluto is an outstanding writer. Not one of you could carry his jock in that respect. But because he has the audacity to criticize the Browns he's a moron and a lazy bum......Laughable at best.
When he is actually "writing about football"? Or like this, when he's just spouting off? Anybody can do that. Even you and I.
Him expecting the Browns to kiss his butt is what's laughable.....
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The buffoons in Berea haven't managed to do one thing the right way on the first shot since '99. What in God's name makes you think shutting off all access to an information starved fanbase would be an intelligent way to do things?
It works in New England and for the Giants. So why won't it work here? What, the Browns "owe it to us"? Kind of sounds like a sense of entitlement from a corperate entity if you ask me..............
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Give me a break, boys. Terry Pluto is right. Y'all need to stop drinking that orange kool-aid. Or the team will continue to treat us like crap from here to eternity.
You seem to be drinking Terry's........
Treat you like crap? What, did Mangini poop in your yard or something? Building a winner doesn't require weekly press confrences. Actually, I think it might detract from time better served elsewhere IF you actually looked at our recod since 99.
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I agree with with you, Pitt.
I don't care if I ever "hear" of anything that MAY happen within the Browns again. Is it interesting... of course.... do I really care deep inside, NOPE. I just them to make the CORRECT decisions that will make us win games on Sundays.
Tell us what we need to know.... but SHOW us a winner on Sunday!
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NRTU Dawgie.
Looks like the media is now backpedaling and on the defensive. *L*
Oh sweet justice........
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CLEVELAND -- A caller to the PD Roundtable show on "More Sports and Les Levine" Monday wanted to know what the big deal was about Randy Lerner not publicly explaining either his hire of head coach Eric Mangini or general manager George Kokinis.
She asked if it could be the case that Lerner suffers some "social anxiety." That is absolutely the case, I told her. "Then why not cut him a break," she said.
She suggested criticism of Lerner for the team's woeful communication with the public was because his silence made my job and the job of others in the media more difficult.
I'll tell you what I told her. Lerner's style doesn't make my job any harder. It's not about me or anyone else in the media. All we do is serve as a conduit to fans, ticket-buying and otherwise. The smart organizations -- like the Indians and (these days anyway) the Cavaliers -- get that.
It's so basic, it's amazing the Browns don't.
Dick Jacobs wasn't too interested in being in front of a microphone or cameras but he knew he had John Hart, who trotted out a glossy presentation on the Indians five-year plan back in the early 90s as a way of explaining why the Indians were going to pare the roster and rebuild the organization.
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Randy Lerner is never going to be camera friendly, but he needs to find a way for his organization to speak to the fans.It's a good way for teams to build credibility, to make the people to whom they're marketing their team feel a partnership in the direction of the franchise.
Lerner is never going to be camera friendly. He also isn't going to be in Cleveland overseeing the franchise on a regular basis, the way Dan Rooney is in Pittsburgh.
But he has resisted hiring a football executive for that role since he had a falling out with the smarmy Carmen Policy. One of the Browns executives who got it, Bob Kain, is leaving the organization for another consulting opportunity. Kain counseled Lerner but he would be the first to admit he's not a football guy.
VP Mike Keenan had to introduce himself a few weeks back before introducing Eric Mangini. No one has shed much light on the organizational plan to turn around a moribund franchise.
Here's what we know. Mangini was hired because he has experience. Kokinis was hired because he knows Mangini. He has the endorsement of Ernie Accorsi. He didn't appear any more willing or able to speak to the people of Cleveland about this football team than Phil Savage did in telling people to get over their "woe is me" attitude.
Mangini has hired Brian Daboll as a first-time offensive coordinator and Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinator. Neither has spoken to the media (and by extension) to the people who've invested so much of themselves and their bank accounts in the team since its return in 1999.
If that doesn't bother you as a season ticket holder, fine. If it's enough for you to hear Keenan say they're happy to have Mangini and Kokinis because of their "passion" and connection to the Browns' teams of the early '90s, OK.
But no organization in this town or in many other cities works this way -- for good reason.
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She suggested criticism of Lerner for the team's woeful communication with the public was because his silence made my job and the job of others in the media more difficult.
I'll tell you what I told her. Lerner's style doesn't make my job any harder. It's not about me or anyone else in the media. All we do is serve as a conduit to fans, ticket-buying and otherwise. The smart organizations -- like the Indians and (these days anyway) the Cavaliers -- get that.
It's so basic, it's amazing the Browns don't.
Or like the Patriots, right, Bud?
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Mangini has hired Brian Daboll as a first-time offensive coordinator and Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinator. Neither has spoken to the media (and by extension) to the people who've invested so much of themselves and their bank accounts in the team since its return in 1999.
If that doesn't bother you as a season ticket holder, fine. If it's enough for you to hear Keenan say they're happy to have Mangini and Kokinis because of their "passion" and connection to the Browns' teams of the early '90s, OK.
But no organization in this town or in many other cities works this way -- for good reason.
Should I lay the Pats or any of the teams that Parcells has run out for Bud again?
Oh how I LOVE the fact that the media is now on the packpedal for their remarks. Their little jobs just got harder but they don't like it.
The reality is that most fans.......most.......don't care about all the stuff that goes into the information pipeline. That's the MEDIA who care most about that. Why? Because it's their JOB. The only problem is that the media doesn't often play fairly and get to live by their own rules, rules they make as they go along.
So, Bud, sorry that the Browns and winning organizations like the Pats and Giants have backed you into a corner from which you can't wiggle out. At least be man enough to stand up and admit why your mad, instead of trying to play the card of "WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE CHILDREN!"
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Someone who loves polls should start one asking whether or not we really care about how tight-lipped the Browns will become or not. Methinks Bud wouldn't like the answer
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What, the Browns "owe it to us"? Kind of sounds like a sense of entitlement from a corperate entity if you ask me............
The Browns owe us, the fans, everything. For without us, all of us, they are nothing but Randy's new English Rugby team. A little respect would be nice for a start. If you can't see that (and I doubt you will) then I really can't help you.
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Dick Jacobs wasn't too interested in being in front of a microphone or cameras but he knew he had John Hart, who trotted out a glossy presentation on the Indians five-year plan back in the early 90s as a way of explaining why the Indians were going to pare the roster and rebuild the organization
Just wondering, but isn't it possible that the reason for the lack of public info was because Lerner was in the middle of hiring HIS John Hart?
Koks seems capable of speaking to the public as long as they don't ask him questions he's not ready to answer...
Things will smooth out shortly...
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It's as easy as this.
Columnists need information from to write columns
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Mangini doesn't give out information =
Columnists get mad and write that team needs to release information so that "fans" know what is going on.
If anything, the columnists should have known what was going to happened. All you have to do is look to Belichick. Belichick lets reporters know little. Mangini learned from Belichick. It's pretty simple.
Also, the writers in Cleveland are used to Phil Savage running the show. Savage used to go on the radio every week and held a press conference if he spilled his milk. So they are used to having everything readily available to them, and being to ask questions. Not so anymore.
A couple writers badmouthing Mangini is nothing. He dealt with the media in New York City the past three years. Something tells me he can handle the media in Cleveland.
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What, the Browns "owe it to us"? Kind of sounds like a sense of entitlement from a corperate entity if you ask me............
The Browns owe us, the fans, everything. For without us, all of us, they are nothing but Randy's new English Rugby team. A little respect would be nice for a start. If you can't see that (and I doubt you will) then I really can't help you.
So let me see if I get this straight....................
You think that the Browns owe us weekly updates, to be delivered via the press to keep us informed and updated on their activities. And by not doing that, they're crapping on us as fans.
Is that about right? That they "owe us" an explanation of their activities? That they should "report to us" about what they're doing? That as a Browns fan, you've earned that God given right?
Is that about right? If that's about right, you would be correct. I can't see it.
What they do owe us, IMO, is to put a better product on the field. To win. Which is obviously what they're attempting to do. It seems as though you'd prefer a loser who tells you everything.
No thanks................
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That they "owe us" an explanation of their activities? That they should "report to us" about what they're doing? That as a Browns fan, you've earned that God given right?
That's funny chit...lol...
What they needed to do is HIRE the Guys and then Introduce them to us...Let them speak for awhile...
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Wait...That's what they DID...lol...
Now I wanna hear em' again right before the FA and Trading periods start the 27th of February....Just like every other FO in the NFL does... 
Then again right before the Draft...And again after the draft...And during mini camps...hehe
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What they owe us is a little respect.
It is true that one way would be to show that respect would be to give us a winning product.
Other ways would be not to insult our intelligence by treating us like morons. Sure, Belichick has winning teams and treats reporters and fans like a case of ringworm. But one does not directly lead to the other. Steelers coaches and assistants are cordial and informative as they need to be and it's never seemed to stop them from winning. As I recall the same could be said of the old 49er teams.
If you can't see that the Browns, or any professional team, owe their fans their existence, at the minimum, then arguing this other minutiae is just a waste of time.
Remind yourself it's for the greater good this summer when training camp is restricted or closed because the fans are too distracting.
And please, don't presume to tell me I'd rather have a loser than a winner in Cleveland. You don't have a clue what I want or don't want. But mainly, you just don't have a clue........
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Yup, that about sums it up..
You know, I do understand that reporters have a job to do,,, but ya know, not all us fans are stupid. we all want info, but most of us know that when a transition is taking place, there will be some lagtime....
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You're being silly...respect...tipping their hand. rediculous.
What they owe us if anything is a Winning Tradition...THAT IS IT!!!
ya mean if they treat us with respect (in your eyes - I guess as partners in the ownership of the team is how that is achieved.) and we SUCK in the Win Loss column it would be AlRight???
Or how bout no Inside Info and a Winning tradition. You tell me which of the two the FANs would appreciate greater.
Come on sometimes you guys P n Moan about anything. Let them work! We got a board here...we'll fill in the blanks as fans and when they are ready to reveal the blanks we will have fun with that also.
Bottom line...they win we are all happy (well hopefully all)
they lose and they can PR us all they want...they are MUDD...Dr. Mudd to us!
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I am amazed by how many of you guys think that the answer to a discussion or question always has to be an all or nothing proposition.
Either the staff is a group of paranoid jerks and we float to a Super Bowl or they're hosting tea parties and we go 4-12. Are you really all that dense?
I didn't think so before this. But now I'm really beginning to wonder.
No matter. We'll see eventually which opinion lies closer to the reality of the situation. Nice talkin' witcha.......
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What they owe us is a little respect.
It is true that one way would be to show that respect would be to give us a winning product.
I guess the question is to what extent you feel that respect needs to be extended...........
In all honesty, all I really "expect" is seeing a competative team that can win. I mean isn't that what we all want and hope to see for our team? In all honesty, that's what I'm hoping to get when I buy a ticket or spend on Browns gear otherwise. A team that commands some respect.
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Other ways would be not to insult our intelligence by treating us like morons.
I would really like to see you point to anything of subtance that indicates they have done such.
1. Mangini was hired how long ago again? Did he not give a presser when he was hired to the media?
2. Was it fairly well not reported that Koke was our target for GM? And didn't Randy address the press with that SAYING he was our top candidate, yet he wasn't going to, "rubber stamp anything until the interview process was over"??
Yes he did
3. And wasn't that interview process thourogh? A first interview, followed by a second two day interview. And then carefull deliberation on everyone's part to come to an agreement and announcement.
4. Didn't Lerner tell us before hand that this would be a slow process in getting these hires done? Yes he did.
5. Didn't Koke give a press confrence to the media just a few of days ago when he was brought in?
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Sure, Belichick has winning teams and treats reporters and fans like a case of ringworm. But one does not directly lead to the other. Steelers coaches and assistants are cordial and informative as they need to be and it's never seemed to stop them from winning. As I recall the same could be said of the old 49er teams.
So let me get this straight......
After everything that I outlined above.. And after being fairly well informed to at least a moderate degree, after only three days after the new GM is installed, you somehow think they are the same as New England? That after only three days to work together.................
................they owe us what else exactly? And that you have concluded in this three day period, that they're treating us like morons? Is that what you've done here?
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If you can't see that the Browns, or any professional team, owe their fans their existence, at the minimum, then arguing this other minutiae is just a waste of time.
As outlined above in those five points, they HAVE given us access to these guys. They did tell us this process would take weeks. I believe that more than meets "at the minimum".
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Remind yourself it's for the greater good this summer when training camp is restricted or closed because the fans are too distracting.
Remind yourself you have made some pretty knee-jerk conclusions based on "three days". And some quite off the wall ones I might add. You feel that based on three days, that the Browns have every intention of treating us like morons and not addressing the media in the future.
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And please, don't presume to tell me I'd rather have a loser than a winner in Cleveland. You don't have a clue what I want or don't want. But mainly, you just don't have a clue........
Truth be known, you have left plenty of clues behind to draw some reasonable conclusion from. It's really basic math more than anything else.
The Browns have kept us fairly well informed on "the basic outline and time frame" in how long this would take from the very beginning.
Both Mangini and Koke held press confrences to the media upon their arrival. They've only had three days to take a look at things. So based upon that, you have decided that they are treating us like morons and keeping us in the dark.
And after arriving at that short sighted conclusion, you have gone further by questioning how they will proceed in the future. So yes, I have a clue.
You are having unrealistic expecations and have reached some far fetched reasoning with little or nothing to base it upon. And somehow expect FAR more than "the minimum". And that "the minimum" isn't nearly enough to suit you.
When I see some kind of "substantial evidence" of what you're trying to "predict", then we can disuss it. But as a concocted, half baked hypothetical, I think I'll pass for now....
JMHO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Yes, you're right. Your assumptions are all obviously correct and mine are all wrong....... See, I don't need 15 paragraphs to say I think you're full of it.........
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
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Yes, you're right. Your assumptions are all obviously correct and mine are all wrong.......
See, I don't need 15 paragraphs to say I think you're full of it.........
Yes , but should " Shirely" be able to come up with three or four ?
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Read that 3 times now and I'm still not sure what you're trying to say.
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
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"I never understood why people say they dont care about something but feel the need to say so or post about it. I said "what do you guys think?" That should show you that it wasnt directed at you. A thought crossed my mind and made me curious. Is that OK? Everything isnt about you."
You're kidding me? All I did was answer your question. What a weird response. I didn't think my response was at all confrontational just answering your question as if we were two guys sitting at a bar talking about our Browns?
Whats up with that?
Nothing really. I was just pondering something to talk about and might have took you wrong. Like I said, Im rooting for the new regime to succeed wether I like them as people or not. Wins are whats important. I was thinking that players might not want to stay or come here because of Manginis "my way or the highway" approach. But if it works, Im glad. It worked for Coughlin. Ive also heard praise by some good players from the Jets.
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See, I don't need 15 paragraphs to say I think you're full of it.........
The difference being, I took the time to point out exactly why you are......
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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It was in response to .. " I don't need 15 paragraphs to say I think you're full of it..." Trying to make a joke .... You know , maybe right three or four ???
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Ahhh....so the bad spelling was a Diam imitation, too, I guess.......
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Naw, you just pointed out why no one engages you in discussion for very long. They die of boredom........ 
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Hey , I'm an equal opportunity joker .. Usually bad ones .. Ok , mean while back in Colombia 
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"I am amazed by how many of you guys think that the answer to a discussion or question always has to be an all or nothing proposition."
Me thinks you are just getting tired of being wrong...
but yeah we are the dense ones 
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Your ego is only outsized by your, well.....nothing.......
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shhh...I was once a porno star.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
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GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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Wow what a boring thread. Can't believe I read it. Since I did here is are 2 cents
As a fan of the team, I like to hear about my team. I like to think I know what they want and are planning to do. I appreciate anything they deem worthy to pass along. As a fan who understands football (please hold your comments questioning this statement - thank you) I realize that there are things that the thinks would serve us better if it didn't become public knowledge.
Now if we come out and say we want Curry at #5 (if anyone believed us) that would be silly because another team could trade up and take him at #4 if they really wanted them.
Now if we say we would really like to come out of this draft having upgraded our Lb corp that doesn't hurt us. We as fans know we need to upgrade our Lbs and you can guarentee all the other teams in the NFL know we need to upgrade our Lbs. It doesn't tell them if we are targeting Curry or Rey or Brown. Or if we are even looking to upgrade the Lbs in the 1st round or later.
So the team can pass along information that doesn't hurt the team yet makes us feel included. It builds a sense of the Browns being our team rather than the local team. I think that sense of inclusion and good will with the fans is important to this franchise. This team has been the epitome of futility for over a decade and since returning to the NFL barely competant (the only reason I don't say incompetant is by comparison to the Bengals, Lions and raiders). The Browns are doing serious harm to their fan base right now. Sure the diehards lioke us will be there but that won't pay the bills. The Browns need to keep the casual fan and to make new fans. Why would a kid become a Browns fan nowadays? The organization really needs to worry about its fan base and do what it can to keep us as happy as possible without doing anything to compromise our ability to turn this team into a winner.
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
Also no
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"The Browns are doing serious harm to their fan base right now."
fly in the oinment... how? by not including the "fans" in the process?
Ya kidding right?
I got news and its really, really simple.
No PR trick, gimmick will stop any harm from occurring to the fan base right now.
If it is indeed being harmed...its because of LOSING! Pure and simple.
Change that to Winning and that will cure any harm...not some PR gimmick of fan inclusion.
Sorry but I ain't buying. 
JMHO
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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