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Living, breathing children that will never know the love of a family is much more heartbreaking to me than those that were "thrown away".




Gee why not kill all the ones who are breathing also. Take them out of those forster homes, rip their bodies apart and put them out of their misery


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Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.

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Living, breathing children that will never know the love of a family is much more heartbreaking to me than those that were "thrown away".




Gee why not kill all the ones who are breathing also. Take them out of those forster homes, rip their bodies apart and put them out of their misery




What in the HELL are talking about? I think you are confusing two very different things here....


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Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




You forgot to say, "In my opinion".


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Question GM....tell me...how many kids ahve you adopted after a trip to an abortion clinic and talking a gal or gals outta doing it? I think we both know the answer to that. I bet you would be the first one to say.."those gals shoulda learned to keep their legs closed" when they apply for ADC that your tax dollars pay for... put you convictions to the test and run and ad in the paper...here I'll help you write it:

Thinking of Abortion? Think again...I will pay for all your prenatal care, all of your birthing procedures and any complications that may occur, up to and including, preemies, and congenital birth defects, and if <heaven forbid> your baby is stillborn I will pay for all funeral expenses and any counseling you may need.....then once the little tyke is born I will adopt it and take care of it all through it's life...and that is a promise...go to Dawgtalkers.net and ask for GMDawg

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You didn't damn my wife in direct statement but the over all tone of those with faith based beliefs is that she, along with everyone else that has, or has had, an abortion, is damned.


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I have always advocated that we let women decide how this should be handled.

I would be okay with a referendum on abortion with all women of voting age voting either yea or nay on the issue and let that be the law of the land.


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since i joined dawgtalk i have learned not to disscuss 3 things that will backfire on you LOL

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cant win and wont win..... its better just to stay out of it... and im 99% against abortion the 1% is for certain circumstances like rape or the baby will have a deformity that would make it die almost instantly.


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What in the HELL are talking about? I think you are confusing two very different things here....




I don't think I am. To me murder is murder. It makes no difference if it's done 30 days before the mothers delivery date, or 10 years after


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You didn't damn my wife in direct statement but the over all tone of those with faith based beliefs is that she, along with everyone else that has, or has had, an abortion, is damned.




That's how they are around here...abortion, homosexuality, etc...VERY judgemental.


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Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




You forgot to say, "In my opinion".




Yes In my opinion and my religious beliefs Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.

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So "in your opinion" my wife after her rape should have kept the child?


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What in the HELL are talking about? I think you are confusing two very different things here....




I don't think I am. To me murder is murder. It makes no difference if it's done 30 days before the mothers delivery date, or 10 years after




Okay. We're finished then.


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Question GM....tell me...how many kids ahve you adopted after a trip to an abortion clinic and talking a gal or gals outta doing it? I think we both know the answer to that. I bet you would be the first one to say.."those gals shoulda learned to keep their legs closed" when they apply for ADC that your tax dollars pay for... put you convictions to the test and run and ad in the paper...here I'll help you write it:

Thinking of Abortion? Think again...I will pay for all your prenatal care, all of your birthing procedures and any complications that may occur, up to and including, preemies, and congenital birth defects, and if <heaven forbid> your baby is stillborn I will pay for all funeral expenses and any counseling you may need.....then once the little tyke is born I will adopt it and take care of it all through it's life...and that is a promise...go to Dawgtalkers.net and ask for GMDawg




So your saying if I am not willing to run out and adopt kids then abortion is OK


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Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




You forgot to say, "In my opinion".




Yes In my opinion and my religious beliefs Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




Okay, and if I'm pregnant with a baby that will most certainly be severely physically and mentally disabled FOREVER I should have that child anyway and allow it to suffer until it dies?


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You didn't damn my wife in direct statement but the over all tone of those with faith based beliefs is that she, along with everyone else that has, or has had, an abortion, is damned.




That's how they are around here...abortion, homosexuality, etc...VERY judgemental.


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Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




You forgot to say, "In my opinion".




Yes In my opinion and my religious beliefs Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




Okay, and if I'm pregnant with a baby that will most certainly be severely physically and mentally disabled FOREVER I should have that child anyway and allow it to suffer until it dies?




can they really tell that from an unborn baby?

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You didn't damn my wife in direct statement but the over all tone of those with faith based beliefs is that she, along with everyone else that has, or has had, an abortion, is damned.




Well speaking for me I never said that, nor have I ever said that bro.


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can they really tell that from an unborn baby?




Yes, many times they can.


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Alright I didn't know that we don't learn about that stuff in school

If that case was true I would talk to over with God and my family and then make the decision but I would rather have a child be special his whole life rather than just die without ever experiencing any joy from this world.

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It's kinda hard not to be judgemental about certain issues on abortion. Portland's situation isn't the sole reason for abortion, or even the most used reason. The problem that GM (if I can speak for him) and others (including myself) have is that is a pretty pathetic birth control method. There are ways to keep from getting pregnant that is much more sensible than murder after conception.

Autumn, you can sit there and defend these actions all you want, but you can't seriously say that it would make more sense to consider the ramifications of an action BEFORE it takes place and PREVENT a pregnancy rather than terminate one afterward. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.

Pit, I love how you quote part of a Biblical verse. Too bad you didn't post all of it or it's meaning. Judge not lest ye be judged likewise. That doesn't mean I cannot make a judgement on this action (if we had no judgements on actions, there would be NO laws in this country). It means that if I am going to make a judgement, then I will be held to the same standard. Taking Scripture out of context may be popular, but it is also showing ignorance.

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Okay. We're finished then.




What??? You thought I had changed my mind since the last 100 abortion threads I posted on


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The problem that GM (if I can speak for him) and others (including myself) have is that is a pretty pathetic birth control method.




And, I would have to believe most women disagree with abortion as a birth control method.


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nope..what I am saying is that abortion foes talk a great game untill the consequences hit them in the pocketbook.....that's where they stop mouthing [platitudes and start pointing to the feds and to state governments to pick up the pieces////then they stary crying about the crime rate and the welfare rates that their very own beliefs helped foster......and you didn't answer the question GM....will you seek out, persuade, and adopt a womans baby just to prevent her from "commiting an offense against God?" After all it would be the Christian thing to do!

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Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




You forgot to say, "In my opinion".




Yes In my opinion and my religious beliefs Abortion is killing a life person who can't yet defend themself it's wrong.




Okay, and if I'm pregnant with a baby that will most certainly be severely physically and mentally disabled FOREVER I should have that child anyway and allow it to suffer until it dies?




can they really tell that from an unborn baby?





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Some birth defects can be diagnosed before birth, using one or more prenatal tests including ultrasound, amniocentesis and chorionic villus sampling (CVS). Ultrasound can help diagnose structural birth defects, such as spina bifida, heart and urinary tract defects. Amniocentesis and CVS are used to diagnose chromosomal abnormalities, such as Down syndrome.


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"Question to all" Your wife is pregnant, if she has the baby she could die! but the baby would live. Do you go thru the birth? Or not?

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What??? You thought I had changed my mind since the last 100 abortion threads I posted on




No, I don't ever believe that you could possibly see the other side of an issue. It's not about changing your opinion. I just don't believe you can say "abortion is wrong" across the board, that's all.


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I'm sorry, but I don't believe that the majority of those millions of abortions that have been performed were for other reasons. I'm sure there are a percentage, but find if very hard to even imagine that the vast majority were for rape victims or life of the mother, etc.

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And, I would tend to agree with you.


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Both of us All's fair in love, war, and abortion debates




This i would have to see for myself.

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Hey coach B?did ya EVER have premarital sex without a hoody?huh?did ya did ya? Sure there are better methods...but do do happens.....as you...a coach should know...so you defend what you want and I'll defend what I want...got it?

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Going on record, as I support a lady's right too choose. I also support a Gentlemen's right too choose.
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It's kinda hard not to be judgemental about certain issues on abortion. Portland's situation isn't the sole reason for abortion, or even the most used reason.




No but in many Christians minds it places her in a group with other "sinners" for an eternity to be spent in hell. I think God will see it differently.


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"Question to all" Your wife is pregnant, if she has the baby she could die! but the baby would live. Do you go thru the birth? Or not?




I'm going to speak for myself here.

Abortion, at least for me, is not a "yes or no" act.....yes it is always ok, or no it is never ok....

My problem with "abortion" is those that use it as a birth control method, a "well, it's just not convenient for me to have a kid right now" kind of thing.

Many people are making valid points, but the problem is there is no "one size fits all" on many issues, and abortion is one of them.

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