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Going on record, as I support a lady's right too choose. I also support a Gentlemen's right too choose.
I will leave it at that.
I'm with you, Mantua....if only we could come up with a way to make that work.
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That's why the blanket endorsement, if not downright giddyness of Autumn is so irritating. There are certain situations where I would agree with people that it should be a woman's choice (rape, incest, life of the mother, etc). There needs to be restrictions, though. There are too many of the birth control type going on. There is middle ground on the issue. Sadly, no one wants to have it. I am considered a conservative whacko by the pro-choice and a blasphemer by the pro-life. 
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You are right arch! the debate on this will go on for years! Is it right? is it wrong? The only one who can ansewer this is our maker. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
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That's why the blanket endorsement, if not downright giddyness of Autumn is so irritating.
She's only doing what others here are doing....and it's just as irritating.
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and you didn't answer the question GM....will you seek out, persuade, and adopt a womans baby just to prevent her from "commiting an offense against God?" After all it would be the Christian thing to do!
Well for your information Autumn My wife and I have made that offer once before.
As for the consequences hitting me in the pocket book, I would also be willing to pay more taxes to support women keeping their babies.
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Hey coach B?did ya EVER have premarital sex without a hoody?huh?did ya did ya? Sure there are better methods...but do do happens.....as you...a coach should know...so you defend what you want and I'll defend what I want...got it?
I did, and my 19 year old (almost) son is living proof.....So, what did I do? I got married, then divorced....paid support right up until he moved in with me and my wife (second wife, that is) at age 12......I'm helping to put him through college, where, I might add, he got a 4.0 in his first semester.....
Would've been much much easier to have an abortion almost 19 years ago - would've saved me from getting divorced, would've allowed me to attend a different college, would've allowed me to do many many things differently than I did......know what? I'm pretty damn glad my son wasn't aborted, and so is he! (and if you must know, his mother was in favor of that at the time).
So, when I speak of abortion, I speak from MY experience. As I stated before, abortions for "convenience" are wrong, in my opinion. Hopefully you can open your view to someone else's experience, and opinion.
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I have always advocated that we let women decide how this should be handled.
And I have always disagreed with this to a certain extent...I don't believe a man that actually wants to Father his child should lose that opportunity (nor should the unborn fetus).
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It's kinda hard not to be judgemental about certain issues on abortion. Portland's situation isn't the sole reason for abortion, or even the most used reason.
No but in many Christians minds it places her in a group with other "sinners" for an eternity to be spent in hell. I think God will see it differently.
pssst Portland according to the Bible each and every damn one of us is sinners. That doesn't mean we are damned to hell 
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As for the consequences hitting me in the pocket book, I would also be willing to pay more taxes to support women keeping their babies.
I'm not willing to do that, however. 
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I will be pro-choice until someone can tell me why abortion is murder but capital punishment isn't.
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Giddyness? GIDDYNESS?.........GGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
.........Decourum and Dawgtalkers rules prevent me from stating what I think about that. ....I am not giddy about abortion coach....not now..not ever...but I find it telling that you didn't answer My unprotected premarital sex question. Abortion is LAWFUL.....do you comprehend that? L...A...W...F...U...L.....AND AS LONG AS IT REMAINS SO ALL YOUR POINTS ARE OPINION ONLY.... you make alot more sense in the shack than you do here.
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Sorry I missed this.....yes, I did, but you know what, had I gotten someone pregnant, then I would have been RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS. "Do do" happens, but we aren't talking about "do do". We are talking about a conscious decision to do something that creates a life. You may not want people to be responsible for their actions, but I'm sorry, I can't agree that it's ok to murder an innocent unborn child and chalk it up to "do do" happens. Would you feel that way if a close family member of yours was murdered and the person who did it looked you in the eye and said, "hey "do do" happens"? I would bet not.
You can defend anything you want, but don't expect me to sit idly by while you condone and take joy in the taking of millions of lives because people don't want to live responsibly, "got it"?
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I guess the thing that bothers me is my wife has to live with the fact that she was attacked and raped which in and of it's self is a HUGE emotional burden. Then on top of that she hears it from the right wing that she's a "sinner" and is damned to hell for it. As if one of those things isn't enough. What a double load of crap to have to carry with you your whole adult life. Believe me, she knows what she did. She's aware that there was another living entity in her womb. For most women the discission to abort is VERY tough. It's not like you walk out of the clinic and never look back.
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I will be pro-choice until someone can tell me why abortion is murder but capital punishment isn't.
Fair point....They could both be considered as "society getting rid of a problem", couldn't they?
My view? In the death penalty situtation, the person had a choice as to their actions, proceeded anyway, and is paying the consequence. In abortion, the child had no say.
Now, before anyone starts quoting from this post, please take my other posts into consideration as well....
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Portland, please don't lump everyone into the same mold. Read my posts above, not everyone that is saying she is a "sinner" that is "right wing". As I stated, there are times when this is something that is, and should be, a woman's choice. I feel nothing but sympathy and compassion for your wife. Again, I have a problem with abortion being used as a birth control and that is what the vast majority of abortions are used for. That's not the same as your situation, man. I don't think anyone has said that it is...unless I missed it.
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Yeah, arch I know that argument but when it gets down to it but actions take a life.
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Now, before anyone starts quoting from this post, please take my other posts into consideration as well....
Riiiiiiiiight....like that ever happens around here. 
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I guess the thing that bothers me is my wife has to live with the fact that she was attacked and raped which in and of it's self is a HUGE emotional burden. Then on top of that she hears it from the right wing that she's a "sinner" and is damned to hell for it. As if one of those things isn't enough. What a double load of crap to have to carry with you your whole adult life. Believe me, she knows what she did. She's aware that there was another living entity in her womb. For most women the discission to abort is VERY tough. It's not like you walk out of the clinic and never look back.
I understand that Portland. Heck I have been told many, many times I will go to hell if I don't attend church 
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I guess the thing that bothers me is my wife has to live with the fact that she was attacked and raped which in and of it's self is a HUGE emotional burden. Then on top of that she hears it from the right wing that she's a "sinner" and is damned to hell for it. As if one of those things isn't enough. What a double load of crap to have to carry with you your whole adult life. Believe me, she knows what she did. She's aware that there was another living entity in her womb. For most women the discission to abort is VERY tough. It's not like you walk out of the clinic and never look back.
Well, I can only speak for myself, but this "right winger" would not call your wife a sinner in any manner other than we all our sinners.......what I mean is, her situation was different than the vast majority of "convenient birth control" abortions.
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Portland, please don't lump everyone into the same mold. Read my posts above, not everyone that is saying she is a "sinner" that is "right wing". As I stated, there are times when this is something that is, and should be, a woman's choice. I feel nothing but sympathy and compassion for your wife. Again, I have a problem with abortion being used as a birth control and that is what the vast majority of abortions are used for. That's not the same as your situation, man. I don't think anyone has said that it is...unless I missed it.
Everyone here has been civil. You included. I just hear it from others enough to feel the need to defend. Birth control should be something you pick up at the Pharmacy, not something you go to the "clinic " for. I think we ALL agree with that.
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Riiiiiiiiight....like that ever happens around here.
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Unfortunately, we don't all agree on that. I think that if this was actually put to the people, it would pass, though. There should be limitations on abortion for specific situations like your wife's and others. Sadly, this issue will never be put before the people, though.
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I have always advocated that we let women decide how this should be handled.
And I have always disagreed with this to a certain extent...I don't believe a man that actually wants to Father his child should lose that opportunity (nor should the unborn fetus).
Tricky situation.. forcing a woman to bear a child because a man wants her to.
Like I told ya, I'm proposing a solution.. I'm sure it won't please everyone. I'm actually not that militant about this situation because it doesn't impact me directly. I'm sure it could someday when my daughter grows up.. ackkk!
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Arch? Listen your story is quite touching and all that....but DON'T you EVER lecture me about expierences concerning abortion.....I have HAD one! :rubs her head and fingers combs her hair..then takes a deep breath and continues: I come from an Irish CATHOLIC background...I used BC....but in this case it failed me....I spent days agonizing over a decision that went against everything I was brought up to believe.....but I made a CHOICE....a CHOICE that I live with everyday.....you think I don't ponder what might have been everyday of my life? You guys have no clue...what it's like for us....no frigging clue....now I have revealed way too much about myself on this board.....perhaps some or all of you will ,look at me differently...it doesn't matter to to me.....I BELIEVE that I made the RIGHT choice for everyone concerned....and I don't need some uterusless man telling me any different.
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Birth control should be something you pick up at the Pharmacy, not something you go to the "clinic " for.
I know you meant condoms, but I immediately thought of the morning after pill when I read your post.  I HATE that.
One other thought here...if both young girls and guys were taught about how a woman's cycle really works, a lot of this could be prevented. Truth be told, there are only about 5-7 days a month that a woman is fertile.
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I'm sure it could someday when my daughter grows up.. ackkk!
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EXACTLY! Wow, we are on the same page again....are you getting nervous yet?  Alot of this could be avoided with a serious effort at education. Maybe we should run for office together, Michelle. We would definately cover all the demographics as a team 
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Portland~I applaud your wife. Frankly, having to deal with being attacked and raped can be difficult enough (I know from first hand experience). I cannot imagine having to deal with being pregnant on top of the rape.
She sounds like a strong woman. And one of strong morals if you, as a Born Again, have made her your wife.
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Unfortunately, we don't all agree on that. I think that if this was actually put to the people, it would pass, though. There should be limitations on abortion for specific situations like your wife's and others. Sadly, this issue will never be put before the people, though.
Abortion for birth control (outside of rape or health issues) is something I totally disagree with...however, if you axe it, you have to solve the problem of what we do with the unwanted children.
And, Autumn, I am sorry you had to go through what you did. I simply cannot imagine the struggle that must have been. Nor can I fathom living with that decision.
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Maybe we should run for office together, Michelle. We would definately cover all the demographics as a team
Ummmmmmmmmm, no. HELL, no! 
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perhaps some or all of you will ,look at me differently
I am sure that some will! But you are an adult, and did what was best for you at the time. I for one do not judge others, nor do I try to tell other's what they should or should not do! I will look at you as I always have! a fun person to chat with! nothing more, nothing less.
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She sounds like a strong woman.
Oh boy. Some times stronger than I anticipated before marring her.
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You guys have no clue...
I have to ask, here......are you using "guys" as a general term? Or, are you referring to men?
If you are referring to men, then I disagree with you 100% It impacts the man just as much as the woman when making this type of decision. It takes two to make a baby and it impacts TWO lives.....not just one.
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Oh boy. Some times stronger than I anticipated before marring her.
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As I stated before, abortions for "convenience" are wrong, in my opinion.
I can't say they're 'right', but I'm not one to stop them...in my experience every 'convenience' abortion as you call it, has in the end been for the better. The mother and child would have most likely had terrible, difficult lives if the pregnancy was carried through...we will, of course, differ on the rights of the 'child', as I'm sure you feel it is a child and I don't, which is the crux of the debate.
Abortion is an interesting subject in our 'political' arena...I read comments all day from people - not just you - regarding carpet bombing and going 'full force' in war...they call 34,000 dead civilians the cost of doing business in the war on terror...it's just interesting to me how the value of human life fluctuates depending on the subject.
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