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Simmons would be great if he didn't have such a heavy Boston bias. If he was from Cleveland, we'd probably think he was the best writer ever. 
Simmons actually picked us to beat Boston in the ECF before this season started...
Although I am not a huge Simmons fan, the guy is an absolute NBA junkie and VERY knowledgable about the league...
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According to Ric Bucher and other people, the Cavs are actually in the running for Amar'e.
Man, I know Amar'e plays little defense, but LeBron, Amar'e, Mo is a legit dynasty.
i can't see it, but with miami dealing for o'neal, i think our chances go up a little, because the rumor was they were ready to offload beasley...
he doesn't play a lot of defense, because he comes from a team that is known for not playing defense...
look at mo in milwaukee, not a lick of a defensive-minded attitude, he comes to cleveland, and he's not to bad... he gets caught occasionally on switches, but so do the best of them, parker gets burned on occasion and he's in the best defensive system of the last decade.
i would take amare at almost any cost...
i still think we need to work on getting joe smith.
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We can only get Joe Smith if he is bought out by OKC... We cannot make a trade with OKC for him... We need another decent big, you are right...
Gonna be very interesting to see where Amare ends up...
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We can only get Joe Smith if he is bought out by OKC... We cannot make a trade with OKC for him... We need another decent big, you are right...
Gonna be very interesting to see where Amare ends up...
yeah, but what we can do, is have them release smith, we sign him, and then we send a 2nd round pick for a guy on a 1 year deal with a low salary, it happens all the time. it's technically illegal, but like i said, it does happen.
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happens all the time.
it does?? I am sure that could happen, but you gotta remember that we are not the only team interested in his services (Boston)... Not being able to make an old fashioned trade for him does put us a bit behind in the game, that is just a fact... Trust me, i want Smith bad...
If he is bought out, Smith is gonna go where the minutes are, and where he thinks his BEST chance at a ring is...
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it does?? I am sure that could happen, but you gotta remember that we are not the only team interested in his services (Boston)... Not being able to make an old fashioned trade for him does put us a bit behind in the game, that is just a fact... Trust me, i want Smith bad...
If he is bought out, Smith is gonna go where the minutes are, and where he thinks his BEST chance at a ring is...
yes, it does happen, san antonio is notorious for it.
i think smith liked being in cleveland last year, i think he likes coach brown, and having a guy like lebron lead the team, a guy who puts the team, and winning ahead of everything else.
and behind closed doors, i'm sure there is a unspoken agreement that smith signs with the cavs...
i know it sounds like the boozer situation, but i think it would run more smoothly...
they tell joe they'll buy out the rest of his deal (which expires anyways) and that he goes to cleveland, and in return cleveland makes a trade for a 1 year player and that they will get back a 2nd round pick, which is better than just having his contract expire anyways and getting nothing, especially for the thunder, who have a ways to go...
as far as minutes goes, he will get his...
he may not be the name brand guy like amare or bosh, but he could be a pivotal piece in a playoff series...
he's a calming influence, he can be out there in very important minutes while guys are either resting or in foul trouble...
i love what he can give you, i totally understand why we dealt him, because of what we got back, but if we can get him back in our system, i have zero problem with keeping wally, in fact, i think keeping wally might be the smartest thing we can do, he's finally playing well, and we get cap relief going into next year, where we could sign him back to a more negotiable deal...
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I understand it happens, but to say it happens "all the time" is a bit much... Look man, I get it, Joe Smith will get his minutes with us... you don't really have to explain to anyone who has watched our recent games that minutes are avaiable for a big that can come in and do his job  ... but I think you are really wearing some wine and gold glasses to think he would just automatically come to us if he is bought out... a lot of your post is just speculation quite honestly  ... he knows what PJ Brown did for the Celtics last year.. for all we know, maybe he thinks he can go to Boston and be this years version of PJ Brown for them... hell, that group already has a ring, we don't... Tell ya what though, a lot of talk that we are working the phones with PHX hard... 
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i think the thing that makes the amare trade so appealing atleast from a Cavs standpoint is he is ready made replacement for big ben with alot better offensive game and alot more tread left. I like wallace and what he brings, but he's not even close worth what he makes...amare in this rotation would be a dunking machine because of the shooters we already have, and with Z able to spread the floor amare can roam the paint and create some nice passing lanes and get easy points down there..wallace can't do that and isn't really asked to. Wallace will be big this year come playoff time as a voice of someone who's seen and done it all. Thats his biggest attribute right now.
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i'm not speculating, i definitely worded that wrong, im just saying if the cavs pull off something with okc, there will be an unspoken agreement...i have zero knowledge that anything is going to happen... and from what i have read, it seems like we are probably going to stand pat.
it happens every year, teams buy guys out, and eventually get paid when that guy goes back to a team he was on either that year, or soon before...
it's funny how we waited and waited for thursday to come, from the minute we lost game 7, and now, it seems like we wish it could be pushed back farther, because i don't know if we are really sure on what we want, or if we want to do anything at all... the cavs are struggling, but full squad, i believe this team is as good as any in the league...
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I just don't see us making a minor trade....Amare or any other legitimate Stud player that we could acquire would Definitely IMO put us on the path to an NBA Title and maybe a Dynasty  .....I just hope that Danny Ferry will , IF the opportunity arises , doesn't blink and Not make the deal....At this point this whole scenario is key IMO to keeping Lebron in Cleveland....
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I just don't see us making a minor trade....Amare or any other legitimate Stud player that we could acquire would Definitely IMO put us on the path to an NBA Title and maybe a Dynasty .....I just hope that Danny Ferry will , IF the opportunity arises , doesn't blink and Not make the deal....At this point this whole scenario is key IMO to keeping Lebron in Cleveland....
PHOENIX – Believing that Amare Stoudemire could make the difference with winning an NBA title and ultimately keeping LeBron James, the Cleveland Cavaliers made a bid to the Phoenix Suns for the All-Star power forward, two league sources familiar with the offer said Friday.
Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry offered the expiring contract of Wally Szcerbiak, rookie J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick for Stoudemire earlier in the week, sources said. Anderson Varejao was mentioned in a possible scenario too, sources said.
Nevertheless, the proposal has generated little enthusiasm out of Suns GM Steve Kerr.
When asked about the Cavaliers’ interest in Stoudemire on Friday, Ferry texted to Yahoo! Sports, “No discussions at this time.”
Odds are, the Cavaliers and Suns would need to find a third team to get Stoudemire in the frontcourt with James.
As the Cavaliers try to find more size to compete with the Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers for a title, league sources say they’re intrigued with Los Angeles Clippers center Marcus Camby. League executives say that the Clippers have been actively trying to unload payroll.
As the Miami Heat left the Stoudemire market with Friday’s trade with the Toronto Raptors, the Cavs are still hoping that the Suns’ inclination is to trade Stoudemire out of the Western Conference.
Chicago is still considered a strong contender in the Eastern Conference, but one source familiar with the team’s discussions says there hasn’t been a lot of back-and-forth with the Suns in the past 48 hours.
League executives still believe Memphis can be a major factor should owner Michael Heisley relent on taking back the money on Stoudemire’s contract. Sacramento has made a series of overtures on Stoudemire – with discussions at the ownership level. Also, the Kings have the intriguing asset of a pick that could turn into the No. 1 selection in the June draft. The Suns are talking with multiple teams, but still haven’t been blown away with any offer for Stoudemire.
The Cavaliers haven’t heard back from the Suns since midweek, sources say. For the Suns, Cleveland’s offer is flawed. Varejao is an excellent defender and rebounder, but struggles to score. His value is much greater on a good team than a rebuilding program. Hickson was the Cavaliers’ first-round pick out of North Carolina State, a talented but raw 20-year-old rookie power forward. He’s still far from an impact player Also, the Cavs’ draft pick will be late in the first round.
What still worries rivals NBA executives about Cleveland’s ability to work a deal for Stoudemire is the close relationship between Ferry and Kerr. They’re extremely tight and alumni of the San Antonio Spurs have a history of doing deals amongst themselves. For now, the Cavaliers seem content to let Phoenix solicit offers between now and Thursday’s trade deadline, and see if somehow they could revisit the Stoudemire derby. Most teams are wondering just how desperate the Suns are to lower payroll and how dramatically that will affect the caliber of talent and salary they’ll bring back for Stoudemire.
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Interesting....Thank You !....However , IMHO the Cavs can not allow Amare to come East and not be in Cleveland....Whatever Ferry has to do to get a deal done , he must do it....It may mean that we might have to take a step back now to gain Amare and take 2 steps forward heading into 2010....
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amare would have no reason to waive his option and join that huge class, he'd be better off playing one more season and being probably the top 1 or 2 guys on the market...
apparently, kerr was not even enthusiastic about the proposal? an expiring, a young player like hickson, and a 1st round pick (albeit, probably a very late one)
what else does he want? i don't give up anything else for amare. good player, but i don't mortage our entire team for him...
i know people think we need to make a huge move, but danny ferry is no fool.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-14-nba-all-star-stoudemirefeb14,0,462458.story Amare Stoudemire expects to stay with Phoenix Suns Stoudemire's vision does not include Bulls By K.C. Johnson | Tribune reporter February 14, 2009 PHOENIX — Amare Stoudemire turned a corner at a downtown hotel Friday, saw about 50 reporters swarming a table reserved for him at NBA All-Star weekend and smiled. "What's going on at Stoudemire's table?" the four-time All-Star said. "Cocktails on me?" Actually, just another day of wild rumors and speculation regarding the 26-year-old forward's future. Some Bulls fans would buy drinks for management if it pulls off a trade for Stoudemire. And with Miami sending Shawn Marion and his $17.8 million expiring salary to Toronto on Friday, many believe the Bulls' chances to do so improved. Stoudemire isn't among them. "I do see the Suns keeping me," he said. "I'm leaning more toward 60-40, with 60 [percent] them keeping me. I would love to stay in Phoenix. My whole career has been here. My fan base is here." The Bulls remain engaged in trade talks with the Suns, though no decision is expected until closer to Thursday's trade deadline. Several news outlets, including the Tribune, have reported the Bulls have discussed a package centered on the expiring contracts of Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons, along with Tyrus Thomas, draft picks and maybe Thabo Sefolosha. The Cavaliers, Kings and Thunder also are thought to have a chance to land Stoudemire. The Trail Blazers now are considered a long shot. "I think any team I go to, I have a lot to bring to the table," Stoudemire said. Stoudemire wouldn't speculate on what it would be like to play with Derrick Rose, merely calling the Bulls rookie "a super athletic and a fast and explosive point guard." He enjoyed a question comparing Rose to Steve Nash. "I've never seen Steve dunk," Stoudemire said, laughing. "And Derrick dunked three or four times when he was here in Phoenix. Right now, my point guard is Steve Nash, two-time MVP. We going to stick together until somebody changes that. Whoever I team up with next is going to be great. We're going to grow together and try to win a championship." Stoudemire said Suns management has been upfront with him regarding his future. "They're saying it's a financial decision," he said. "It's hard for them to afford all our players. Everyone is on the trading block, according to them. Nobody knows if management is giving up on us and throwing the season away or trying to win a championship." Stoudemire has an opt-out clause after next season that would allow him to become an unrestricted free agent. His agent, former NBA Players Association head Charlie Grantham, told the Arizona Republic the Suns hadn't contacted him about trade proposals. Grantham said he expected to be consulted because any team that might trade for Stoudemire likely would explore a long-term extension beforehand. The relaxed Stoudemire said he's taking rumors in stride. "It's going to be an interesting few days," he said.
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j/c...
Shaq dancing with the jabba wockees during the all star introductions was hilarious! I didn't see anything on YouTube yet, but there's gotta be a video soon if you missed it...
Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
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By JASON LLOYD jlloyd@MorningJournal.comIF anyone can save the slam dunk contest, perhaps LeBron can. During another yawn, scratch and check the fridge type of Saturday night, LeBron James declared his intentions of entering the dunk contest next year. Preliminarily. "Right now, I'm preliminarily putting my name in the 2010 contest Saturday night," James said on Saturday, eliciting a louder response than anything happening on the court. "LeBron James is saying in 2010, in Dallas Stadium, he will compete." Other than the creepy third-person reference, this is good news for the NBA. The league needs its brightest stars to perform during All-Star weekend in order for it to matter. The dunk contest was at its best when Michael Jordan and Dominique Wilkins went dunk for dunk in 1988. Watching LeBron square off against Orlando's Dwight Howard next year, provided Howard agrees to come back, might be the closest we ever get to repeating that. *** Speaking of LeBron and 2010, James used All-Star weekend to make his feelings known surrounding Toronto star Chris Bosh. While the New York media continues to fawn over James and the idea of him playing for the Knicks in 2010, the simple reality is that the Cavaliers will be in position to shock the world by re-signing James — and adding someone of Bosh's caliber. "I would definitely love to play with Chris Bosh," James told reporters during media availability in Phoenix. "Being around him last summer (in the Olympics), I got to see how smart he is. His basketball IQ is unbelievable. He's a very, very good player." The New York Daily News spun that to mean Bosh and James could wind up as teammates with the Knicks, since New York will have enough cap space to hand out two maximum deals. But then, so will the Cavs, who are on the hook for only $37 million for the 2010-11 season — and that's counting the $17 million scheduled to go to James (until he opts out of that season). The Cavaliers should be in position to add another key piece, such as Bosh, who would provide James with a devastating low post option. "I'm very happy with the team I'm on right now," James responded, when asked for a scenario that could unite him with Bosh in New York. "We're playing great basketball. The Cavaliers have been great to me. So I have no reason to even think about leaving, right at this point." That seems to be the strongest vote of confidence James has given the Cavaliers since the "New York in 2010" campaign first began. And for those still fretting over the possibility of James bolting the Cavaliers, his hero, Michael Jordan, said forget it. Jordan doesn't believe any of the nonsense about James leaving for the Knicks. "How many 'name' free agents have moved? Real star players?" Jordan said on a conference call last week with Charlotte reporters. The reason, Jordan said, is the collective-bargaining agreement, which allows the current team to provide more money and longer deals. "At the end of the day, when you talk about players losing money, that extra year or that annual increase in salary," makes it unlikely marquee players would leave, Jordan said. Bosh, though, seems intent on getting out of Toronto. He, not James, just might be the most likely to leave his current team during the pivotal summer of 2010. http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/02/16/sports/mj624021.txt
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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/...ben_w.html#moreINDEPENDENCE -- Cavaliers forward Ben Wallace is being listed as questionable for Wednesday's game in Toronto after suffering lacerations to his right forearm that required 14 stitches. Wallace was injured while playing catch with a football in Richmond, Va. and received stitches there. He returned to Cleveland on Monday and was treated this morning at Cleveland Clinic Sports Health for removal of additional glass pieces from his arm. The Cavs say Wallace will travel with to Toronto this afternoon and he is currently listed as questionable for Wednesday's game against the Raptors. Meanwhile, Cavaliers guards Delonte West (wrist) and Tarence Kinsey participated in today's practice and travel with the team to Toronto. The Cavs are listing Kinsey has questionable and West as doubtful, although teammate LeBron James said he thought West would be in uniform for the game. Cavaliers guard Sasha Pavlovic had the cast removed from his ankle today and is now wearing a walking boot. He will continue his rehab and will not accompany the team on its trip to Toronto and Milwaukee. His status will be updated as appropriate.
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Just Askin',.....
How do you get 14 stitches playing catch with a football ??
Oh, I know,....diving to make a tippy-toe, one handed catch at a goal line made of barbed wire,....
There is more to this than playing "catch."
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How do you get 14 stitches playing catch with a football ??
Oh, I know,....diving to make a tippy-toe, one handed catch at a goal line made of barbed wire,....
There is more to this than playing "catch."
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hey, at least he caught the ball
unlike some people we know.
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well, there was glass involved, so my guess is that it was perhaps parking lot catch and a forearm found a car window or something -OR- they were disobeying mothers everywhere and playing catch in the house and someone bumped a mirror, window or glass cabinet 
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How do you get 14 stitches playing catch with a football ??
Oh, I know,....diving to make a tippy-toe, one handed catch at a goal line made of barbed wire,....
There is more to this than playing "catch."
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hey, at least he caught the ball
unlike some people we know.
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lolz.
maybe if #17 got 14 stitches trying the catch the ball we wouldn't give him such a hard time.
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well, there was glass involved, so my guess is that it was perhaps parking lot catch and a forearm found a car window or something
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they were disobeying mothers everywhere and playing catch in the house and someone bumped a mirror, window or glass cabinet
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I wasn't making commentary on that at all, actually, just trying to deliver the little insight I saw in it with a touch of humor  I'm personally leaning towards them playing catch in the house (seriously) 
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Actually, he was probably trying to hone his skills to try out for the Lions.
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anyone listening to chris broussard on knr?
he said there is a chance the salary cap may not go up to what everyone thinks it will in 2010..
if that is true, he says the knicks will be unable to sign 2 big time free agents.
i find that pretty interesting, because there is no way in hell lebron goes to that sorry excuse for a basketball team the way it's looking right now.
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Unfortunately, the way the world is now, he WILL go to whoever the highest bidder is.
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Unfortunately, the way the world is now, he WILL go to whoever the highest bidder is.
which, by nba rules, is the cleveland cavaliers.
although it's only something reported on, it's not a forsure thing.
but how funny is it, that after all the economic troubles the city of cleveland has had, even before everyone else felt it, that the economy and it's huge fall could actually be a major player in keeping lbj in cleveland?
the brooklyn yards project basically got pushed back a few years, they won't sniff a new arena in 2010.
and with the economy now, the payroll for the league may not rise to what everyone thought it would be, i believe 60m, in 2010.
which could screw the knicks royally, who may have dumped some bad contracts, but are still far from being in great financial shape.
if the knicks are only able to sign one guy, with the cast they have now, lebron won't go there and go through at least 3 or 4 seasons of complete rebuilding, after all, he is just starting to enter his prime. no way he wastes away, even if it is in new york city, and even if it's in the garden.
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There are all kinds of ways around these so-called "caps,.."
I want to know what LBJ is made of in his "HEART."
That, my friend, is the mark of a real man.
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I want to know what LBJ is made of in his "HEART."
That, my friend, is the mark of a real man.
i've always held the same stance on lebron...
i believe he does love cleveland, he's proud to be an ohian
but at the same time, he will not stay in cleveland, because it's cleveland
just like he won't go to new york, simply because it's new york...
he's a very smart businessman, and will do what is best for him.
which at this moment, seems almost insane for him not to leave.
money and championships. in new york, you have being in that mega market, although, like wilbon says, if you're big enough, those companies come to you.
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i really can't see lebron leaving, with the success the team has had in the past and they way they are primed for the future. And he has an owner that will do anything for the team. Not to mention offer the most in terms of contract. Throw in he's from around the area and has strong ties in the community. I really don't see the move. Granted i'll be a whole lot more confident when he signs that extension this summer 
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Oh no.. are the stitches in his non-shooting hand... or his other non-shooting hand? 
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Looks like we've been pretty active in the trading market: This is from Mark Stein at ESPN.com ... The Washington Wizards, sources said, quickly rebuffed Cleveland's offer of Wally Szczerbiak's $13.8 million expiring contract for former All-Star forward Antawn Jamison.
One source with knowledge of the Wizards' thinking said Tuesday that team president Ernie Grunfeld is determined to continue resisting interest in Jamison and Caron Butler because the club has renewed hope that injured starters Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood will play in a small handful of games before the season ends, affording the Wiz an opportunity to evaluate the full team it hoped to field this season.
With Arenas and Haywood both missing the entire season so far, Washington has cratered to a nightmare record of 12-42.
The Cavs, meanwhile, are expected to shift their focus from Jamison to making a final pitch (or three) for Los Angeles Clippers center Marcus Camby, after being convinced in this week's talks that the Wizards are not interested in parting with the 32-year-old in spite of Washington's luxury-tax concerns.
The Clippers have been saying for weeks that Camby and rookie guard Eric Gordon are their only untouchables in trade talks, but history says that Clippers owner Donald Sterling is bound to be tempted by the opportunity to remove Camby's $9.7 million from next season's payroll if presented with Szczerbiak's contract on deadline day ... unless L.A. can move Chris Kaman's longer contract first.
"The Cavs are definitely being super aggressive," one Eastern Conference executive said. "They see this economic frenzy out there with so many teams trying to get off money and lower their payrolls like New Orleans did [by trading Tyson Chandler] and they want to capitalize. If they can spend now to help them keep LeBron [James] later, they're going to do it."
Oh yeah ... and directly below that on the next bullet point ... The Bulls have been shopping Larry Hughes and Gooden for months ... 
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Wait, so the Wizards won't get rid of Jamison because they want to see how he can play with Butler, Arenas, and Haywood, aka the same lineup that's been together since the 04-05 season and hasn't been able to advance past the first round of the playoffs? Time to let it go, man. None of those guys can stay healthy enough to make it through a season except for Jamison, and he's 32. Blow it up, build around your top 3 pick this year, and start over.
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Wait, so the Wizards won't get rid of Jamison because they want to see how he can play with Butler, Arenas, and Haywood, aka the same lineup that's been together since the 04-05 season and hasn't been able to advance past the first round of the playoffs? Time to let it go, man. None of those guys can stay healthy enough to make it through a season except for Jamison, and he's 32. Blow it up, build around your top 3 pick this year, and start over.
NBA basketball is funny sometimes... You got 2 organizations (Washington and Clips) that are both LIGHT YEARS away from contention, and they both are reluctant to trade away 33 and 36 year old big men.. Even with a healthy squad, Washington is a pretender...
I still think some sort of deal gets done, probably right as the deadline is approaching tomorrow.. I think we are holding out, and if we somehow cannot get Jamison or Camby, we end up with Brad Miller... It is my understanding we can have Miller if we want him...
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we don't need miller... i highly doubt the cavs go after him...
it really seems like we will stay as is...
i'm ok with it. i just want all our guys back healthy soon.
and also, remember, since mike brown took over the cavs, they have always played better in the 2nd half of the season. so i see them once again hitting their stride like they did earlier in the season.
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we don't need miller... i highly doubt the cavs go after him...
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sure won't be for lack of effort... EVERY national writer is saying we are extremely active in talks, and now look who else says we are active 
http://www.cleveland.com/cavsbeat/
LB, you gotta understand that if we ship Wally out for Miller, Wally is gonna be bought out by SAC, bringin him right back to Cleveland for the playoffs anyway...
Sure, maybe we don't NEED Miller, but again, I don't think he would hurt.. In my opionion he could only help... The guy can grab boards and defend or better than a 19 year old JJ Hickson.. He also has playoff experience and can shoot the basketball (obviously spreading the floor is big for us in the playoffs with LB)... We would have his contract AND Ben's to play around with at this time next year as well... The main thing we want is to NOT have to RELY on JJ to give ANY meaningful minutes in the playoffs...
The Villanueva stuff is interesting as well...
Knowing the history of Ferry/Gilbert (these two have been very aggresive), I just can't see us standing pat and not making some type of move with all the names we have been linked to in the past week.. I just get the feeling that we are really gonna wait it out and make sure we are getting the deal as cheap as we can, which is actually a great strategy. Hell, in Bob Finnan's(News Herald beat writer) podcast today, he reported the we had Boobie in the mix for the Amare deal last week.. I really think anything could happen tomorrow around this time....
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