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It reeks of agenda because the Mangini/Kokinis pairing wasn't Bill Cowher or Mike Shanahan. The media didn't get their sexy candidate, so they are tearing it down before it even begins.
No argument from me Ammo.. Like I said, they don't always have to take the low road.
But I think the reason they do is to get a reaction from the team.. If all they do is talk about all the nice things.... or just say nothing buy nice and supportive things, the team has no reason to respond.
Now, if you say that Koks and Mangini are gay lovers..... That will get you a comment from the team... guaranteed.  Get my point.
In another thread, I was telling folks about this friend of mine that has an idea that all the beat reporters should write articles,,
The headlines should read:
Latest news from the Browns (or something along those lines)
then leave 2 or 3 column inches of space empty below the headline...
I thought it was nuts, but you know, the more I think about it, hell, it might actually work
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Never thought of Cribbs at safety, but after hearing the interview, and thinking about what a demon he is on special teams I really like the thought of it. He has the speed to cover the receivers, and has the killer mentality to lay a hit on anyone coming his way!
Wow, they're are thinking out of the box already ... I like it 
Why didn't you say that when I was talking about playing Cribbs at safety 2 years ago?? 
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My biggest questions concern gameday decisions. I feel good knowing during the week and in training camp we're going to be very well prepared.
That has been and probably will always be his weakest part of coaching.
If anyone is expecting a master of clock management, just as Jets fans if that is true. I don't think he is Romeo bad, but he isn't Bellyache or even above average in clock management. I believe he does make better adjustments with a better coaching staff, though.
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L* ... did u guys actually hear what he said ...
Yeah Cribbs mentioned Mangini said "we wanna move you and let you play a little safety..well you been in on a lot of IMPORTANT TACKLES on ST's..we're gonna get it in Day One.."..
So I don't expect him to be a full or part time safety..but one who is in on crucial downs..and I expect them to work him at the start of OTA or TC..
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I think if Josh Cribbs plays defense he will have only one job.
Blitz the QB like a nut. That's all.
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Wasn't Brian Russell a QB before becoming a S in the NFL?
QB to S seems like an easier switch than DE to OLB?
In my coaching experience, it has always been a given that a S was a QB that could hit; high-school wise. Brains, adjustments, covering miscues--that's what a safety does on defense--same on offense. In short, a high school QB that does play defense, plays either S or CB,....
For example, I never saw BQ play safety in high school.
Just saying,...some kids are both naturally.
Cribber ?? -- If he was on my payroll, I would not complain about his ability to be a safety in the NFL.
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No argument from me Ammo.. Like I said, they don't always have to take the low road.
But I think the reason they do is to get a reaction from the team..
So they've all been taking the low road and you hate to defend them. But you do it anyway?
Look Bud, there's no excuse for them throwing such temper tantrums. Which is about what it amounts to. Almost like they're saying........"Talk to us or we'll turn the fan base against you from DAY ONE!".
That is innexcusable. I'm not permited to use the language I use to describe such actions on this board. But let's just say it's very colorfull!
I have a twelve year old grandson that's more mature than that. ..............................
Hey Tony!
Try getting off your arse and doing a little investigative work instead of expecting our FO to kiss your arse! I hope they NEVER talk to some of the Cleveland media! Instead? You'd rather take cheap shots and try to use character asassination in an effort to "extort them" into talking to you?
Go to hey there Tony..........
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"I am not saying he could not end up a starting safety"
I know and I'm not saying he will. This is what I'm saying.
1. Cribbs still has not found a home for himself on OFFENSE unless you consider the Flash package as his home...that is the only thing he has been established as.
2. I think the WR exeriment has taken its course. I know its a stat but I think he ran the ball around 28 times this year and caught 5 passes. He ain't no WR.
3. I have been telling anyone and everyone that if he finds a HOME on offense it will be at the RB position...not WR. I was of course rediculed mostly but I stand fast on that premise and I will find it hard for anyone to continue rediculing that chain of thought
4. The kid has gifts. He has shown certain skills in his Special team coverage duties. The ability is there. The play book is a lot smaller than on Offense.
5. I've always liked QBs at Safety...they have a unique understanding of the game and read it differently than other two way offensive players.
6. I do see Cribbs as depth at the position in any plans that we make. What happens as a result of Training Camp - we shall see. But I will not be surprised to read that he is excelling there.
7. I see him more useful in succeeding there than his transition to a RB...sorry I don't see the WR thing happening. He will never become a stud there...if that is his position, we will be more apt to see him become our Safety then a starting WR.
8. If we want a Flash package...he's the guy! In that regard that is where he will excel in our Offense as a weapon. Of course I hope BQ makes a good WR 
9. Reality...Depth for the DB - good for versatility and a Roster spots regarding utilizing 53!
As you stated what happens after Training camp is over...we'll see. Just don't be so surprised that he made the transition to Defense with Flying colors.
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So they've all been taking the low road and you hate to defend them. But you do it anyway?
Don't confuse me defending with understanding why they do what they do..
I'd have taken a different approach to getting information myself.. and I won't defend thier actions... But I understand why they do what they do.
Don't confuse the two.
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9. Reality...Depth for the DB - good for versatility and a Roster spots regarding utilizing 53!
That is a BIG deal,...he covers 3-4 spots, and can automatically make the team deeper in other "holes,...."
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Do you have any idea how much it kills me to defend Browns Beat Reporters? 
But
What part did I miss?
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What part did I miss?
OK,, That is what I wrote and perhaps I misspoke,
I don't Agree that they should take the low road on every article just because they can't seem to gain access. is that clear?
But I do UNDERSTAND why they are doing it. Is that clear?
One step further just to make sure you understand my true feelings... They are ONLY Writing the stuff they are writing to get a rise out of the Browns.. they want them to respond and the Browns aren't biting on it.
That's just an opinion of course.. BUt then, it could be because they are lousy sports journalists too I guess....
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They are ONLY Writing the stuff they are writing to get a rise out of the Browns.. they want them to respond and the Browns aren't biting on it.
But the consequence (whether intended or not) is having a detrimental effect on the fan base.. as can be seen from this thread....
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But the consequence (whether intended or not) is having a detrimental effect on the fan base.. as can be seen from this thread....
You will get no argument from me on that.. I agree. Which is why I was trying to explain why they are doing what they are doing.
It appears that they are all getting stonewalled by everyone in the Browns facility... Not a bloody thing is leaking out which by the way is making me think that some of the those that got laid off the other day may have been the leakers. But that's just a guess at best.
Kinda at least makes you wonder doesn't it?
To me, if they just wrote a piece that said, No news from the Browns today. and did that each day until thier was news, sooner or later, the Browns would realize that they are looking just a bit foolish not talking to the press..
Cause, when they don't talk to the Press.... then that means, they aren't talking to the fans... and that can't be a good idea. Can it?
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They are ONLY Writing the stuff they are writing to get a rise out of the Browns.. they want them to respond and the Browns aren't biting on it.
But the consequence (whether intended or not) is having a detrimental effect on the fan base.. as can be seen from this thread....
You can be as detrimental as you want as long at it equals a playoff game.
If fans won games, we'd never lose.
Just get it done. I don't really care what fans think. And I don't believe the Rooney's do either.
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In my coaching experience, it has always been a given that a S was a QB that could hit; high-school wise. Brains, adjustments, covering miscues--that's what a safety does on defense--same on offense. In short, a high school QB that does play defense, plays either S or CB,....
That makes total, logical sense. I buy that argument totally and I hope thats what Mangini sees in him. It's obvious he has the vision, intelligence, and heart to play a hard hitting safety. I wouldn't mind seeing him back there in rushing situations, but I'd like to see him in a preseason game on coverage before i commit to feeling comfortable with him on passing downs.
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It appears that they are all getting stonewalled by everyone in the Browns facility... Not a bloody thing is leaking out which by the way is making me think that some of the those that got laid off the other day may have been the leakers. But that's just a guess at best.
Kinda at least makes you wonder doesn't it?
It does... Perhaps they made the firings and issued a gag order to see if it would be upheld... then once they have figured out that the problem is fixed, they will be a bit more forthcoming with information...
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To me, if they just wrote a piece that said, No news from the Browns today. and did that each day until thier was news, sooner or later, the Browns would realize that they are looking just a bit foolish not talking to the press..
And the person that had the cajones to do that would make the rest of the media look a bit foolish when most of their speculation and inuendo was proven false...
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Cause, when they don't talk to the Press.... then that means, they aren't talking to the fans... and that can't be a good idea. Can it?
No.. but in general in late January/early February, what do we expect them to be saying? We've heard about the hirings... other than that, what exactly is it that we expect to hear? We aren't going to hear any speculation on personnel decisions until they are made because those leaks are bad... I'm sure if Mangini is asked what he plans to do about the QB situation he might take the reporters head off... because no decision has been made... they aren't going to give any viable draft or trade talk information away... so what exactly is it that we think we could hear that is useful other than fluff?
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And the person that had the cajones to do that would make the rest of the media look a bit foolish when most of their speculation and inuendo was proven false...
That would be taking the High Road and generally speaking, those that take that approach more often than not make others look foolish... works for me..
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No.. but in general in late January/early February, what do we expect them to be saying?
While I agree that that is basically true, there are other coaches that are probably being hired,, it also wouldn't be the worst thing if they introduced the OC and DC formaly to the press. Those are a couple of things that make sense I suppose... at least a little sense.
But even that stuff isn't all that important I don't suppose
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Wasn't Brian Russell a QB before becoming a S in the NFL?
QB to S seems like an easier switch than DE to OLB?
The Rams tried doing that with Eric Crouch and Steve Bellisari
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Wasn't Brian Russell a QB before becoming a S in the NFL?
QB to S seems like an easier switch than DE to OLB?
The Rams tried doing that with Eric Crouch and Steve Bellisari
Wow, now those are two names I had almost forgotten.
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Wasn't Brian Russell a QB before becoming a S in the NFL?
QB to S seems like an easier switch than DE to OLB?
The Rams tried doing that with Eric Crouch and Steve Bellisari
Did they have the mentality, athleticism or attitude of Cribbs?
I remember reading articles about Crouch not really being dedicated to the NFL. Cribbs seems like the type who would go all out just to play. That is HUGE, I'd have to imagine.
Plus, he's already shown some headhunting ability on special teams ("some" is Romeo Crennelspeak for LOTS )
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Crouch retired before he put on a jock strap.
Doesn't say much for the guy.
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If I recall correctly, Bellisari wasn't half the athlete that Cribbs is.
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Cribbs has basically stated that he enjoys hitting people more than carrying the ball... so safety might be a nice fit for him.. he gets to hit people all day and if he gets an INT, he still gets to run the ball..
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If I recall correctly, Bellisari wasn't half the athlete that Cribbs is.
That's probably "half" accurate. Bellisari may not have looked as though he was half as good as Cribbs--we're talking college now,...---but look where each played,....Cribbs is surrounded by, MAYBE at best 2-3 star high schoolers, and Bellisari is amongst 4-5 er's all day long.
Not to say Cribbs isn't THE better athlete,...he IS in the NFL, and Steve is selling cars.
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I won't say he was as athletic as Cribbs, but there were many Big Ten coaches that said that the Buckeyes had the best safety in the conference.....playing QB.
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Bellisari may not have looked as though he was half as good as Cribbs--we're talking college now,...---but look where each played,....Cribbs is surrounded by, MAYBE at best 2-3 star high schoolers, and Bellisari is amongst 4-5 er's all day long.
Not to say Cribbs isn't THE better athlete,...he IS in the NFL, and Steve is selling cars.
I'd imagine it's tough being a QB and moving to safety.... doesn't matter if he is as good of an athlete in the measurables, size, speed, strength.. it takes a certain mentality to play safety, you have to love to hit people.. and if he didn't have that, having been a QB all his life, then he wasn't going to succeed as a safety... What Cribbs is doing and what he has become in his love for hitting and contact is far more the exception than the rule for former QBs.
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3. I have been telling anyone and everyone that if he finds a HOME on offense it will be at the RB position...not WR. I was of course rediculed mostly but I stand fast on that premise and I will find it hard for anyone to continue rediculing that chain of thought
On offense in the NFL I agree that Cribbs best position would be Rb, primarily a 3rd down Rb. My question is what does have have to offer at that position over Harrison? Though I think we could do some interesting things with both Cribbs and Harrison in the same backfield on 3rd down. Split backfield either can stay in and block the other can run a route or take a screen - which one? Only the offense knows  Or motion one out wide or motion both out wide. or ... you get my point and this is just me. Imagine what a real life OC could come up with
As for Cribbs at safety, In Mangini and Ryan are at all serious about this and start tutoing him from OTA's and all of training camp, it would not surprise me one bit if Cribbs ends up being one of our starters at safety by the end of the season.
And the only thing on this topic I would ridicule is the way you spell redicule
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I read what he said, I was just adding my own thoughts to the mix. I never thought that was what Mangini had in store. I feel Cribbs is an asset anywhere he plays. I want him on Offense more than anything, at RB at that. But the intensity he brings on coverage plays made me imagine him playing safety and jacking up a RB coming thru the hole. Just dreaming man, you don't have to laugh at me
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"But the consequence (whether intended or not) is having a detrimental effect on the fan base.. as can be seen from this thread."
Bottom line...we lose the Fan Base will not be happy.
We win the fan base will be happy. These writers are not Svengali or Rasputin and control the fan base. Regardless of what they print. Its the bottom line that controls the fan base
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"But the consequence (whether intended or not) is having a detrimental effect on the fan base.. as can be seen from this thread."
Bottom line...we lose the Fan Base will not be happy.
We win the fan base will be happy. These writers are not Svengali or Rasputin and control the fan base. Regardless of what they print. Its the bottom line that controls the fan base
JMHO
Disagree a tad.
Wins and losses are always most important at the end of the day...but when the average idiot who doesn't know the difference between a defensive tackle and an offensive tackle reads the newspaper, they read "this team is going to hell...jump off now and save yourselves."
They don't have the patience to read articles from other cities or radio interviews. They don't have the ability to piece the information together like we do, nor do they have the local Coach who can get some info on what's going on in Berea.
Ever heard of the phrase "The media shapes your consciousness?" Well there you have it.
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eo, I have to say that I sort of agree with Ammo here... and that's hard for me. Of course winning cures a lot of ills.. but we have many more losing seasons than winning ones in recent memory, we have far more turmoil than stability, we have dozens of reasons to be pessimistic and few to be optimistic.. and as Ammo points out, those that don't live this every day like many of us, are being inundated with the negative
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.. and as Ammo points out, those that don't live this every day like many of us, are being inundated with the negative
Which means these writers are undermining the very team they are supposed to support. In a town that is supposed to support them.
Like I said earlier, they're like a bunch of spoiled brats throwing a temper tantrum
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There really "is no news" to be told right now. They have to look at film, meet, decide which direction we'll be taking, etc.... before they have any "news" to tell.
That's what's so pathetic about this. And why I feel there's really NO excuse for such behavior on their part.
Here's an interesting concept..............
Investigate the backgrounds of each hiring. Let us know their past tendencies and schemes. Maybe even about their upbringing and education. You know, something "informative".
But that would take a little more work than beng spoon fed information. I'm really not interested in the Browns putting out "non-news" just to be saying something. Which at this juncture is about all they have.
Wouldn't they be better served and be far more logical to wait until you actually have something of substance to say before addressing the press? I think so.
And I hope Mangini rips them all a new a-hole when he does! I'd LOVE that!
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"but when the average idiot who doesn't know the difference between a defensive tackle and an offensive tackle reads the newspaper, they read "this team is going to hell...jump off now and save yourselves."
Well I'm sorry DC...unlike you and Ammo - I don't know any AVERAGE IDIOTS
But joking aside...get real the average fan is going nowhere in the OFF SEASON that won't bring him back if we start winning. So they have bad gut feelings cause of the articles....where are they going to the Bengals. I doubt they are that fair weather to go out of state.
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But joking aside...get real the average fan is going nowhere in the OFF SEASON that won't bring him back if we start winning. So they have bad gut feelings cause of the articles....where are they going to the Bengals. I doubt they are that fair weather to go out of state.
No, the average fan isn't going anywhere.. but what happens in the first home game when we have three 3 and outs to start the game? Those people who came in expecting to suck will feel vindicated and will boo.. what happens when we start 0-2? Same thing...
The writers have no responsibility to write positive stuff.. but the already disgruntled fan base would be better served if they went into this thinking it was going to work...
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"but what happens in the first home game when we have three 3 and outs to start the game? Those people who came in expecting to suck will feel vindicated and will boo.. what happens when we start 0-2? Same thing."
And I'm saying that the seed was not planted by these Svenagali's - it was planted by our Losses over the years...too many of them.
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Investigate the backgrounds of each hiring. Let us know their past tendencies and schemes. Maybe even about their upbringing and education. You know, something "informative".
Now your talking... that's using your noodle Pit.. why didn't one or more of our local reporters think to take that approach.
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And I'm saying that the seed was not planted by these Svenagali's - it was planted by our Losses over the years...too many of them.
JMHO
It's just being nurtured, furthered and grown by these writers.
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Now your talking... that's using your noodle Pit.. why didn't one or more of our local reporters think to take that approach.
IMO, They are too used to being coddled by the former regime to the point they feel a sense of entitlement that is simply false. But that's JMO.
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IMO, They are too used to being coddled by the former regime to the point they feel a sense of entitlement that is simply false. But that's JMO.
Is that to say that they are taking the easy/lazy way out? if so, then yeah, I agree.
The former regime talked at will to these guys. Savage was a quote machine.. so was RAC to an extent. Koks and Mangini,,,,,,hmm, I'm thinking that they will never be that way... not in good times or bad..
I think this is what we are going to see a lot of... that being, quietness from Berea.
Hey, they win on sunday, they never have to say a word to make me happy...LOL
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