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I'm really tired of people acting like these are two vastly different parties.
Sorry Phil, they really are two vastly different parties. Its the difference between being in favor of equal opportunity or equal outcomes ... huge.
Unfortunately, the 2 parties have moved closer and closer together in the past decade or so. It's not bcause the Democrats have moved right either.
The government gave "tax beaks" to people who pay no taxes ....... instituted one of the most massive social spending programs in the medicare "reform" ...... and pushed through an almost perverted "bailout" of the banking industry that included no oversight whatsoever ......
And that was under Bush. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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i wonder how many billion dollars we spend in Iraq per month? I also wonder how far a billion here and a billion there investment in transportation can propel the USA, ooops sorry, defeat terrorism. 
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I'm really tired of people acting like these are two vastly different parties.
Sorry Phil, they really are two vastly different parties. Its the difference between being in favor of equal opportunity or equal outcomes ... huge.
You're riding the fumes of rhetoric.
The Republicans have one ideal in mind -- to get re-relected, to make money, and to make money for the people who make them money.
Do you know where the Dems stand on the issue? They believe in getting re-elected, making money, and making money for the people who make them money.
If you believe for one second that 98% of those people in the Senate and Congress don't care about those things and only those things, I've got a stimulus bill I"d like you to support. 
Both parties want Big Government, so long as they control it. They both want to dictate their mandates. The Democrats lean towards social programs, because it makes the doves cheer and lines everyone's pockets. The Republicans lean towards war, because it makes the hawks cheer and line's everyone's pockets.
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You all are here complaining the Reps did this, the Dems did this,
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I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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And now here comes the anal intruder to really stick it up our poop shoots...how we will pay for all this...as if we didn't already know.
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Along those lines, White House budget director Peter R. Orszag has committed to instituting tougher budget-discipline rules -- once the economy turns around. Those include a mandate that any "nonemergency" spending increases be offset by equal spending cuts or tax increases.
Yeah thats right TAX INCREASES!
This will be the final nail in the coffin for the economy. Everyone that voted for BO start patting yourself on the back right now.
He did say after the economy turns around. He also said off-setting any non-emergency spending.
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Yes, but it gets us no where. Just look at this thread. it's a bunch of "My dad can beat up your dad" playground bickering.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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The Republicans have one ideal in mind -- to get re-relected, to make money, and to make money for the people who make them money.
Do you know where the Dems stand on the issue? They believe in getting re-elected, making money, and making money for the people who make them money.
If you believe for one second that 98% of those people in the Senate and Congress don't care about those things and only those things, I've got a stimulus bill I"d like you to support.
That kind of cynicism, and the resulting voter indifference is what the users and abusers in DC count on to stay in power.
American voters have 3 choices:
1.) Support the Reps or the Dems, not because you believe everything they believe, but because they are the closest thing to what you believe. Like Reagan said, "Someone who agrees with me 75% of the time is not my enemy.".
2.) Support a viable third party, and by "viable" I mean one that can get about twice as much support as Ross Perot got in 1992 (16%).
3.) Give up.
What I infer from your replies is that you think I'm either a Republican party hack, or just a naive parrot of the party line. The truth is I don't even belong to the Republican party. I'm a fiscal / national security Conservative that thinks the Republicans are the closest thing to what I believe, and that can win - ie, are viable. I've yet to see a 3rd party that is much more than a kook / fringe group, and I'm not ready to give up.
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Actually Dave your wrong .... there is a 3rd way ... but it starts in the primaries and needs a STRONG SS GRASS ROOTS EFFORT ...
Friday on dobbs they had a Democrat from idaho on .. he is NEW to Washington .. he has been a BUSINESMAN all his life ... he was one of a mere 7 Dems that had the guts to vote NO to this crap .... i LOVED what this guy said .. he voted for WHAT WAS RIGHT AND FISCALLY SOUND ...
My rep is a Republican ... he is NEW to Washington ... has been a BUSINESMAN all his life ..... listened to him on one of those phone conferences ... when I picked up the phone I was like .. oh sheesh another one of these a-holes lowing smoke up everyones ass on the phone and not really answering any questions .. I LOVED WHAT I HEARD ... just like the Dem from Idaho ... FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ....
and U know what else ... NEITHER ONE OF THESE GUYS POINTED THE FINGER THE OTHER WAY ....
to think were trapped with the "solutions" U gave us is truely being trapped ... cause no 3rd party is going to have a good chance of winning .... well maybe in the next election cycle as people are going to be so upset that the past will not be a good indicator of whats going to happen ...
what i believe to be a GREAT SOLUTION is to get BUSINESMAN that actually care ABOUT FISCAL REPSONSIBILITY and are not worried about garnering votes and making money for there lobbyists and getting re-elected .... we need to get people like that FROM BOTH SIDES on the primary ballots ..... will it happen .. prolly not ...
but U never know .... theres always been enough to go around so our lazy, stupid asses have just watched this thing erode just happy as pigs in poo cause we had OURS .... well now that is gonna change ... and TOOT SWEET ... this bill is going to slow the collapse down for a tad .. but the HUGE ASS CRASH is coming ... and it was right here ready to happen .. and now these a-holes pushed it back around the corner .. but ITS STILL COMING ...
so maybe just maybe when the SPOILED ASS AMERICAN PUBLIC is not living as high on the hog they will BE FORCED to WAKE the HELL UP and actually pay attention and do something about it ...
all I can do is hope ...
P ... anyone thinking the economy is going to rebound is just kidding themselves ... and i mean really kidding themselves ....
it will eventually rebound .. but its going to have a severe ass crash and be VERY VERY UGLY .... ane when it "rebounds" it will never ever ever get close to where it was even today ... BAD TIMES ARE COMING BRO ... its been inevitable and nothing can stop it ... we have TO MANY FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS IN OUR ECONOMY to have it do anything but CRASH ...
sorry bro .... optomism is a good thing ... but if u want to really prepare for the future ... start planning for an entirely different life style and not "kidding yourself into believeing" were going to turn this around and our life styles will not take a major negative impact ...
Its been a great run in this country ... but as happens with every great run ... our "glutton ways" has caught up to us and its time to come back to the rest of the world .... sorry bro .. but thems the facts ...
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Oh and Dave .... why do U thiink the repubs lost the white house and pretty much both sides of congress?? ...
its becaue of everything that Y-town posted the supposed "small gov't. no taxing" Repubs did under Bush the 2nd ....
and this is going to sound like a slam but it really is not .... it makes me wonder that if u truely believe what u said about being a parrot then it means U are simply not paying attention ... cause what Bush did was HORRENDOUS as far as the repubs OLD VALUES ARE ....
the reason they lost is they NO LONGER (and haven't actually since reagan .. as he spent like a drunken sailor with 3 days in port after 3 months at sea) .... represent what the Republican party USED TO STAND FOR ...
they ALLIENATED US .... and if u can't see that ... then U are just the parrot U claim not to be or U just are LISTENING to what they say and not WATCHING WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO ...
and I am sorry if that sounded harsh ... i was not trying to be a jerk like I am over in football ... but it is what i truely believe ... cause its pretty obvious ..
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They lost Republican votes because they tried to work with Democrats on big-spending bills like Education Reform and Medicare Drug coverage. They lost Independent voters (the middle 35%) because the liberal lapdog media convinced them (the Independents) that the War on Terror was not a righteous cause, with a day-in-day-out drumbeat of negative coverage. I agree with Ytown, yourself, and others that the profligate spending of the Bush administration was a big part of their undoing, and of Congressional Republicans. But - the main reason was they lost the public debate on what I still consider to have been a necessary and righteous war, by allowing liberal Dems and Big Media (Networks, NY Times, Wash Post) to frame the debate: defining the war as a losing, irresponsible action.
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and I am sorry if that sounded harsh ... i was not trying to be a jerk like I am over in football ... but it is what i truely believe ... cause its pretty obvious ..
No worries ... I don't take stuff personally - at least I try not to. We just disagree.
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What I infer from your replies is that you think I'm either a Republican party hack, or just a naive parrot of the party line.
No, I simply think you see a major difference between the parties where I don't. The difference lies in the ideologies that the people project onto them...in reality they are simplistic as I've mentioned above.
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But - the main reason was they lost the public debate on what I still consider to have been a necessary and righteous war, by allowing liberal Dems and Big Media (Networks, NY Times, Wash Post) to frame the debate: defining the war as a losing, irresponsible action.
I worked for NBC when we went to war with Iraq. They did absolutely everything in their power to make the war look as rosy as possible. NBC blows with whatever wind the current GE chair feels, but at the time, news coverage was all about putting a positive spin on this war. In fact, there were memos distributed telling you what nice words you could use and which words you had to avoid, so as to put the best spin possible forward.
But I digress...the public didn't turn on this war because the media spun it to be a losing war and a completely irresponsible action. They turned on it because it was and is, in fact, a losing war and a completely irresponsible action.
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the public didn't turn on this war because the media spun it to be a losing war and a completely irresponsible action. They turned on it because it was and is, in fact, a losing war and a completely irresponsible action.
And I think you're wrong about that, in terms of whether it was a righteous and necessary war, certainly in terms of it being "lost", and in terms of why the public turned on the Bush administration. We have no meeting ground for discussion on it, no middle ground, so lets drop it. I am not getting into another circular argument with someone who appears to have a congenital animus toward their own country.
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I am not getting into another circular argument with someone who appears to have a congenital animus toward their own country.
My problems lie with government, not country.
Vast difference.
And the public turned on the Bush administration for one reason and one reason only -- it was inept and hard-headed. It baffles me as to why people search for ulterior reasons as to why a stubborn man with a single-digit I.Q. was spurned by the American people other than his own idiocy.
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It baffles me as to why people search for ulterior reasons as to why a stubborn man with a single-digit I.Q. was spurned by the American people other than his own idiocy.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts ... Bush has an IQ of 125 ... which is, last time I looked, 3 digits. Smarter than Kerry, it turns out ... who'da thunk it, what with Kerry being so continental and all? People with an advanced degree from Yale that can fly supersonic fighter jets tend not to be of a custodial intelligence level.
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I always told you guys I was smarter than him.
Let's not forget that's from when he was twenty-two. Something must have gone on to make him as dumb as he ended up...perhaps it was the twenty years of boozing and cocaine that knocked him down to the man we know now -- a man incapable of speaking properly, thinking properly or leading properly.
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Keyword is 'tend'. I've met Yale and Harvard MBA's who were so stupid it made your head hurt. Ditto for fighter pilots.
It's fairly obvious that he belongs in a Burger King, wearing a headset and a tie with short sleeves. If his father wasn't who he was...he probably would be.
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McCain Faults Obama Over Stimulus WASHINGTON (Feb. 15) - Sen. John McCain says President Barack Obama failed to include Republicans in writing the big economic stimulus bill. The Arizona Republican says the $787 billion measure will create what he calls "generational theft" — huge federal deficits for years to come. McCain, who lost the presidential race to Obama, says the president is backtracking on promises of bipartisanship. McCain is not happy with the process that led to passage of the stimulus bill. He calls it a bad beginning to Obama's presidency. “It was a bad beginning,” McCain said of the legislative process that led to the stimulus bill. “It was a bad beginning because it wasn’t what we promised the American people, what President Obama promised the American people – that we would sit down together.” McCain offers this advice: "Let's start over now and sit down together." He appeared Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." web page
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I've just got to say...it's jaw-dropping to me that there are still Americans who defend this man's intelligence. I equate someone who says that Bush is an astute, smart man with the way I view those who deny the Holocaust. Baffling and ignorant of the facts.
The "facts", in this case, are that President Bush's measured intelligence puts him in the top 5% of the American public. Your deranged hatred of him doesn't change that. Equating me making that statement to being a Holocaust denier exposes you as a person of inferior judgement, if not intellect.
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President Obama has been warning about an impending catastrophy unless action was taken right now. No time for debate about a bill that will total nearly a TRILLION dollars, no time to even read the freaking thing, oh no, we must act NOW. So they pass the bill in both Houses and it goes right to Obama to sign because its really, really urgent, right? Its so urgent you wouldn't believe it, because the sky is falling as we speak, right? Wrong. It waits until Monday so it can be signed on Presidents' Day ... for symbolic reasons, dontcha know.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
This spending bill (it is NOT a stimulus bill by any stretch - the only people getting "stimulized" are those that don't even pay taxes to begin with. The rest of us, the few, will start seeing an extra $13 per week in June. Not now - in June.), anyway, this spending bill that was so crucial and critical that it had to be passed without even being read, won't be signed until TUESDAY. In Denver, for some reason.
Oh well, at least pelosi was able to go leave on her trip friday evening. Screw the country, nancy had plans. Screw the country, Obama still thinks he's sneaking one past the citizens. After all, there are many, many ignorant people that actually think this spending bill will help the country. Idiots. They have no clue that we are about 4 steps closer to total ruin..............and we were only about 10 steps away away a few days ago.
On a lighter note, it is so HEARTENING to know that us podunk idiot citizens will not be trusted with anymore than an extra $13 per week starting in june. I mean, who in their right freaking mind would want the people that earn the money to be able to actually spend it? It's better if gov't. takes care of all of us. They'll make sure things are fair. They'll make sure no one has ANYTHING. 
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The "facts", in this case, are that President Bush's measured intelligence puts him in the top 5% of the American public.
Are you actually insinuating that this man -- http://www.youtube.com/v/KogebxJkHig -- is in the top 5% intelligence quotient in the United States? Forget the results of a decades old standardized test: do you actually believe that?
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Hey, now that we agree on the ineptitude of our government, can you stop saying I hate America? Or should I start saying you do?
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The "facts", in this case, are that President Bush's measured intelligence puts him in the top 5% of the American public.
Are you actually insinuating that this man -- http://www.youtube.com/v/KogebxJkHig -- is in the top 5% intelligence quotient in the United States? Forget the results of a decades old standardized test: do you actually believe that?
You can find clips like that about any president that was serving in recent history - Bush 1, 2, clinton (course, most of his follies were flat out blatant lies to cover his ass), Reagan, carter, etc. Our current president could fill more space than that with his lies from only the last few weeks/first few weeks of his presidency.
What was your point again? You're jealous of Bush?
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Your deranged hatred
...this coming from the guy who was trying to tell me that there's a vast difference between the vote-hungry, pocket-lining elite parties? That one is righteous while the other is highly flawed?
You accused me of calling you a party-line parrot, and that wasn't my intentions at all...but if you're honestly telling me that the Republicans have something right over the Democrats, or that Bush was a good and intelligent president...I will have to insinuate that.
As I've said ad nauseum in this thread...the GOP and the Dems have the same goal -- get re-elected and make cash for themselves and the people who make cash for them. Period. They achieve this goal by approaching their respective parrot head bases with schlock dialogue. Every single election is the same -- the Dem says he wants to help the poor and the Rep says that he wants to help Joe the Plumber. Both are outright lies. If either of those initiatives get in the way of re-election or isn't a lucrative proposal for those politicians and their donors...forget it. There is almost no difference between the two parties.
And Bush was a conservative's worst nightmare. He spent and spent and spent and spent and spent. He designated himself as the world's police. He took a PhilDawsonRocks immigration stance (in order to capture a voting demographic). He took no heed of the Constitution or our founding principles. Dave, all kidding aside, how could anyone defend his presidency without hollow rhetoric? He was the worst nightmare of both the traditional "American liberal" and the traditional "American conservative"....
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And Bush was a conservative's worst nightmare. He spent and spent and spent and spent and spent. He designated himself as the world's police. He took a PhilDawsonRocks immigration stance (in order to capture a voting demographic). He took no heed of the Constitution or our founding principles.
What's weird is that if you put Reagan's name in there...it still fits perfectly. 
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Hey, now that we agree on the ineptitude of our government, can you stop saying I hate America? Or should I start saying you do?
Nope. Sorry. You hate this country, top to bottom. I love this country. All presidents have made mistakes.
I will say this, though. In only a few weeks time, President Obama has spent more money than any other president has before him. And don't let the "$780 billion" price tag of his spending bill fool you...........read a little deeper into it. President Obama'a spending bill includes so many parts that are "temporary" increases...........those "temporary" increases will actually end up costing close to $3 trillion, as we all know that "temporary" gov't. programs become permanent.
Read a bit phil. For someone like you, that claims so much knowledge, I'm surprised you can't see it.
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Read a bit phil. For someone like you, that claims so much knowledge, I'm surprised you can't see it.
Umm...I do see it. I've actually read about 35 pages of various programs before I had to stop in disgust. I hate it. I've been saying since it was pitched that it's going to be as detrimental to us as the Iraq War. Actually, I said the same thing for the Bush stimulus...
Why on earth would you say that as if I wasn't against it or was ill-informed?
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Honest question...complete sincerity...
...what would it take for you to say 'I absolutely do not support this president or this government?'
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...what would it take for you to say 'I absolutely do not support this president or this government?'
This president? Not much. He ran on hope and change. In only a few short weeks not only has he shot is platform all to hell, he's screwed over this country to the point of no recovery.
This gov't.? Not much. This gov't. has screwed over this country, slowly, for years - no, make that decades.
Gone are the days where one can hope to improve themselves through hard work. Here to stay? The attitude of "hey, gov't. should give me more"
I don't solely blame Bush. Nor do I solely blame president Obama. (see, I at least have class enough to respect his position, unlike you).
However, I do blame congrss for pushing through this spending package - it is NOT a stimulus package - and I do blame President Obama for forcing it, and for lying about what it is.
I blame president Obama for lying through his teeth during either his campaign, or during his first few weeks in office. I cannot be sure yet which one was a lie, but his campaign promises are a 180 degree turn from what his first weeks in office have been.
The lies are so pathetic.
Doesn't much matter. Gov't. is coming for what little I have, and you, and anyone else that actually pays taxes, and they are going to give more and more to those that don't do anything.
We are not far from the point where those that work and actually PAY will say "screw it", because those that take and pay nothing are taking too much.
This country was, at one time, a great place. I am so glad my wife and I didn't have another child. I hate and despise what my son and daughter will have to deal with. This country is not a great place anymore, and I realize it will take some people longer to figure it out, but they will. For the most part anyway. There will be some that just never get it.
Some will call me "arch, the sky is falling". Within 2 to 3 years, they will see. I hope and pray I'm wrong. I am 90% certain I am not wrong.
There is too much wrong with this country. It could be fixed, but with the debt we have, and with the attitude of too many - it never will be fixed. This little recession we are in is only going to go one way. And President Obama's spending plan will be the straw that broke this countries back. The back was on it's last legs ever since social programs convinced people that the gov't. owed them a living.................this spending bill killed us, and it will be slow and painful for a year or 2, but the death of this country will come rather quick, when looked at from a historical standpoint.
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I said that about Bush, and I agree with you about Obama.
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I really like you arch, but I'm putting my foot down and getting mad here --
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Dude, that straw broke years ago...couldn't tell you if was during Reagan or Clinton or W.
But we're been putting scotch tape on it for decades.
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I respect the position immensely.
That's why I don't respect Bush.
See, you don't respect the position even though you say you do. Your history speaks for itself. To call any president, current or past, stupid, shows your true feelings. You do not respect the office, nor the people that have filled that office. Sorry phil, you are wrong.in my opinion.
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I really like you arch, but I'm putting my foot down and getting mad here --
I've said the exact same things on this board for years, and when I did, you said I hated my country for saying so, just because my opinion didn't fit yours.
No phil. Again. You hate this country and everything it has ever done, if your previous posting is to be believed. Again, your history precedes you - you hate everything this country has done or is doing. Your opinion need not fit mine. But just one time I would like to see you say something positive about this country, as opposed to constantly reading how this country is to blame for every problem in the world. You may not believe it, but once again, your previous posting has shown that you hate this country and everything about it.
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And President Obama's spending plan will be the straw that broke this countries back.
Dude, that straw broke years ago...couldn't tell you if was during Reagan or Clinton or W.
But we're been putting scotch tape on it for decades.
It goes back much further than clinton, or reagan.......even carter.
The real problem is we have now accelerated the demise of this country. Well, pelosi and president Obama have accelerated it. And yes, they did it under the guise of "we need to help others", while totally forgetting that the people doing the helping can't do it.
funny.........those minimum wage laws didn't apply to nancy's farms. Funny, president Obama has never held a job where he needed to make payroll, even if it was with his dad's money (as you will say about Bush).
Funny how president Obama is sure he can help this country when the sob wouldn't even send his half brother in africa a dollar to help him out. But yeah, Obama knows how to help all of us - use tax money, right? That's the damn reason he never helped his brother in africa - cause it would've come out of his own pocket. And here he is, not willing to help his brother, but willing to put millions more on the public dole in this country.
The guy has never done anything but live off the taxpayers. Why should it change now?
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To call any president, current or past, stupid, shows your true feelings.
No it doesn't.
There is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever to suggest that there is some criterion for a president to be intelligent. None.
It is a very respectful position that very few can achieve. So is CEO. How many idiotic and morally bankrupt CEO's do you think I could rattle off?
A respectful position does not automatically infer a respectful person.
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No phil. Again. You hate this country and everything it has ever done, if your previous posting is to be believed. Again, your history precedes you - you hate everything this country has done or is doing. Your opinion need not fit mine. But just one time I would like to see you say something positive about this country, as opposed to constantly reading how this country is to blame for every problem in the world. You may not believe it, but once again, your previous posting has shown that you hate this country and everything about it.
Everything you've said here is 100% wrong.
Replace the word 'country' with 'government', and you're 75% right on the money.
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Well, pelosi and president Obama have accelerated it. And yes, they did it under the guise of "we need to help others", while totally forgetting that the people doing the helping can't do it.
Replace 'Pelosi & President Obama' with 'Bush' and replace the context of the economic crisis with the misguided ideal of "freedom" in Iraq.
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jc Title should be changed to Arch vs Phil, seems everyone else has left this one alone now. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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yep and both of them are doing exactly what the gov't wants.....arguing amongst themselves....
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There will always be arguments between people about how things should be run. What do you want, people to agree with things they don't believe in? That's silly. Arch leans solidly toward the right and Phil is left of everyone on the planet, and thinks everyone except him is completely stupid.. How would you expect them to get along? 
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thats not the point jules...the point is that its all a big joke....
the left, the right.....republicans, democrats....they are one in the same....
they talk their talk about the issues....religion, guns, abortion, immigration, war, taxes....
and at the end of the day, they are still running up the deficit, not balancing the budget, not protecting our borders, stopping illegal immigration....you name it...
the fact that both sides promote "free trade" is enough for me...
what we have is a 2 party system where both of them are controlled by foriegn governments, and lobbyists
they manipulate the media, control thru fear, and ignore us when we speak up...
i love it when they say crap like "you'll get 13 dollars more a paycheck in june", well guess what, by june inflation will have probably taken at least that much out of your pocket in spending power...so what did you get? nothing....
how about what they are doing to our money supply? why doesn't anyone talk about that? why are we policing the world? and footing the bill? why can't we protect our own borders? why are companies allowed to evade our own tax laws by outsourcing?
when is someone gonna look out for the good of America?
its all a big joke....the rich, the powerful, the well connected will benefit....the middle class is gonna soon join the lower class....
doom and gloom....yep.....am i overracting.....maybe....but you know what i want?
a gov't the way the framers intended....plain...simple...small...
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Title should be changed to Arch vs Phil, seems everyone else has left this one alone now.
And I will too.
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what am i the resident thread killer?
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I suggest we feed the economy some little blue pills. That should perk it right up. 
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How would you expect them to get along?
If you read their posts(in this thread anyways) they are both saying the same exact things,but arguing about which one of them is right.
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