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If Peterson plays, yes.......if he doesn't then Boise can win.

Peterson is out for that game.

I think you guys underestimate Florida too,.....

Florida is tough, but, Ohio State is better. IMO. I've watched Florida. Very good football team, but looking at every angle, Ohio State has the better team.


Bring whoever.

Florida, Michigan, Notre Dame- we'll beat them down again. Boise State, West Virginia, Louisville, the San Diego Chargers. I don't care, just bring 'em.

Bring on da Gators!

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It's offical. OSU vs UF. GO BUCKS!!

More "Auburn" talk,....Oklahoma should have never let themselves get in a spot where a bad call has to make the difference against a "lesser" opponent.

Let's just make it official.


The Florida Gators will be The Ohio State University's next victim.


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I-O!!!!

I LOVE GATOR MEAT!!!!

Oh, I agree, just throwin it out there.

The NC game is going to suck. I'm guessing I'll lasta quarter watching it, I'll turn it off when it's the start of the second and Ohio State is up 28-0. This is going to be a horrendously bad game.

IO,....(pretty bold statement, dude)

Now that it is official, I have mixed emotions...I have never rooted against OSU in a football game before.

I guess when it all plays out I will have mixed emotions, so I might as well focus on the fact I really can't lose! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


Go Gators!

This is why the human element is so overstated in these polls. That vote came from a voter that was simply trying to make sure that Florida made it into the national title game instead of Michigan. I'd have to think that, because there is no way that an undefeated OSU is lower than a 1-loss Florida, unless the person was trying to manipulate the system to see the game they wanted. The human element needs reduced. It should be 50/50 between the computers and human polls, IMO. Also, margin of victory should be factored back into the computer polls, with a cap, at say 20 points.

I'm not a fan of OSU, UM, or UF, but I do think the two best teams in the country are OSU and UM, and the title game won't have those teams. Also, how does that Oklahoma/Oregon game factor in now. Where would a 1-loss Oklahoma team rank in this system and who would they be playing (it wouldn't be Boise State)?

Congrats Peen!


Get ready for good one!!!

I think you guys are thinking a bit too much.....a Florida or SEC person probably voted Florida....nothing unusual about that.

Those sort of things have happened for decades.

I agree....OSU is #1, and deserve to be....but then again.....maybe a Ohio person voted that way to help keep Michigan out.

In the end we will never know, and in the scheme of things, that vote doesn't really matter.

You'd get the same outcome since UF and UM split the computer poll...

plus UF was one conterversial play from going undefeated...

Thats is right all the talk is over. Time to get down to business

Not necessarily talking just about this year, I'm saying on the whole that the computer rankings are undervalued in this system. The movement in the voters was simply to avoid a rematch, IMO. It does seem a little wrong to me that Michigan fell back-to-back weeks without playing. Also, Florida lost by 10 points to Auburn. I don't remember the game all that clearly, but 10 points is at least two plays.

This is the system we have for this season. I don't think it worked properly, but that's just my opinion.

The only reason Florida came out ahead in the computers was because of the extra game. It's not a fair comparison when one team plays 12 games and another plays 13. JMHO.

Florida's fine, but how is Michigan left out?

By Gene Wojciechowski
ESPN.com

If you're Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, how do you explain to your players that they won't be in the BCS Championship Game? How do you tell the second-best team in the country to get pumped about playing USC in the Runner-Up Bowl? How do you resist the urge of wishing Nutcracker drills on every person who jumped one-loss Florida ahead of the one-loss Wolverines in the final polls?

There is no polite way of saying it: Michigan got jobbed. Sunday's rankings are Exhibits A-Z why the BCS means well, but simply doesn't work -- and never will.

Carr had to do what Auburn's Tommy Tuberville did two seasons ago. Tuberville's team finished the regular season 12-0, but was left out of the Tostitos BCS Championship Game in favor of undefeated USC and Oklahoma.

"It's hard," said Tuberville. "It's hard to look them in the eye. Heck, we're still not over it. You never get over it. It's like a question that's never been answered."

Carr is asking those same questions. And he'll get the same shoulder shrugs that Tuberville got.

Let me get this straight: Michigan, which was unbeaten against all teams on its schedule ranked lower than No. 1, isn't going to Glendale, Ariz., for the Jan. 8 national title game because ...

? It didn't win its conference.

No, it didn't. But did you see who did? Team by the name of Ohio State. Maybe you've heard of the Buckeyes? Undefeated. Ranked first in the country. Beat Michigan in Columbus by the grand total of three whole points.

And feel free to show me in the BCS handbook where it says you've got to win your conference to play in the championship game?

? Nobody wants to see a rematch.

Just asking, but how did Ali-Frazier II and III work out? Or that Georgetown-Villanova Final Four?

I know Florida's Urban Meyer doesn't want to see a rematch, but he's not exactly an impartial observer, is he? And if Meyer were in Carr's Nikes, I guarantee you his objections to a second Ohio State-Michigan game would have disappeared.

A rematch, this time on a neutral field, would have been a game for the ages. And if you threatened to take away his precious sweater vest if he didn't tell the truth, I bet you Buckeyes' coach Jim Tressel would rather play Florida than have to face the Wolverines again (Tressel declined to vote in the final coaches' poll).

? Florida played a tougher schedule.

Agreed. But strength of schedule is part of the equation, nothing more. Tuberville's 2004 team had the strongest strength of schedule, but didn't make it.

You want to give the Gators the edge based on scheduling? Fair enough, though you could argue that Florida didn't exactly beat vintage Alabama, Georgia and Florida State teams this year, and Central Florida and Division I-AA Western Carolina were dreadful.

And look at the one loss each suffered by Florida and Michigan on their schedules. You tell me which defeat was more impressive: the Gators' 10-point road loss to an Auburn team that finished the season No. 9 in the BCS standings? Or the Wolverines' three-point road loss to an Ohio State now favored to win the national championship?

? The BCS system rewarded Florida for finishing its season with wins at FSU and against Arkansas at the SEC championship in Atlanta.
And the BCS penalized Michigan twice for being on the wrong end of the calendar: once when USC moved to No. 2 after beating Notre Dame (even though Michigan beat the Irish worse), and now, when Florida overtook the Wolverines (even though U of M's season ended two weeks ago).

How can you call this a "system" when Florida belongs to a league that plays a conference championship, and Michigan doesn't? How can you call it a quasi-playoff when Michigan drops twice in the standings without losing a game.

? Florida has earned the right to play Ohio State.

Absolutely true. But so has Michigan.

Ask some of the coaches at Vanderbilt (the Commodores played both Michigan and Florida this season) who is the better team, and privately they'll give the edge to the Wolverines. Florida has more speed and a handful of players to die for, they say, but Michigan is more physical, would control both sides of the line of scrimmage, have wonderful wide receivers, and are led by a senior quarterback who doesn't make many mistakes.

Ask them who would give Ohio State the better game, and you'll get the same answer.

Tuberville voted Ohio State, Florida and then Michigan on his final ballot. "But I watched Michigan this year," he said. "Heck, I think they could beat anybody. But that's the way the system is. It's a screwed-up system."

Michigan never had that chance. It was 11-1 on Nov. 18. It was 11-1 on Dec. 3. But between then and now the Wolverines apparently became the cellulite queens and somehow lost the swimsuit portion of this ridiculous BCS beauty pageant.

Michigan didn't do a thing wrong. And yet Carr was the one who had to console his team Sunday night. He did it, but here's guessing he wasn't Mr. Congeniality.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2685195

That 12 or 13 game thing is a wash...i am sure the computers index the figures.....

Plus....that extra game is also a good chance to lose, so if it does help.....it should....it's not like Arkansas was a bad team.

You lost in Columbus... talk done <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Perhaps you forgot that the 2002 Buckeyes went undefeated, unlike your 2006 Gators, who were beat by Auburn, and barely beat South Carolina.

Good luck to your team, Peen.

Chad is a junior Gene, but other than that, great read.

May the best team win, Peen. Glad your Gators got in.

Pretty simple.

If Michigan wanted in the BCS championship game, all they had to do to guarantee it was to beat Ohio State. They didn't.

No way shoulod a team lose its rivalry game, its conference, and then get a rematch. I said before the game that the loser, no matter which team, shouldn't get a 2nd chance at the winner. Plus, for Michigan to lose no ground despite losing is a joke. How would Michigan fans feel if they had beaten Ohio State by 3 ... but OSU stayed #1?

All the banter is done,...finally. I would still like to see a readout on who voted what in both of those polls.

Nas, as much as you and I argued on that other thread, my support for Michigan being in the NC game never waivered. Michigan is the second best team in the country.

However, Florida has a great coach, and they are a qualified team as well.

I believe they got it right but I think it'd be exciting to see UF and UM play each other next weekend and the winner would be number 2.

Just in case you can't find anybody else, if you happen to own a home or a car or something you'd like to put on the line, I'd be happy to take Florida and 28 points... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yes they had a chance and they lost.. but well.. if it was the other way around, there would be columns on how Florida got screwed.

so what happens if USC wins the Rose Bowl? i guess this talk becomes moot.

You and nas are pretty classy posters, in my opinion. While I stand by my own "unwaivering" opposition against The Rematch, I also believe Michigan is probably # 2. My money says, if they could indeed swing it, that Meyer would not have gone for a winner- takes-number 2 game next week. Michigan would crush them.