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coachb...tell us why Mangini was fired by the Jets.

I 'm gonna ask this again, does anyone really think it's logical that any pro or college player would quit his team because a coach supposedly ignored him at a function???
I mean it's reported that dude wants a buyout because new coach didn't greet me..
Next it'll be reported that this was a misquote or a misunderstanding..
There's more here than just meets the eye..

I know it's going to happen regardless, but the absolute worst thing that can happen here is for the fans and the media to divide up into two camps... the Mangini is an ahole camp and the Rogers needs to get his ego in check camp... and then start bashing each other... so the whole team can watch it play out in the media and on the talk shows....

The best thing that could happen is for everybody to stay out of it and let the 2 men try to work this out... but as I said, that's not going to happen.

I guess I just don't see why this is all Mangini's fault as some have implied. Should he have talked to Rogers? Maybe. But what was stopping Rogers from talking with Mangini the way Cribbs or Quinn has?

And, quite frankly, I don't care if the guy does have a huge ego and is a super jerk. What I care about is winning football games. I don't care if the Browns lay people off, I don't care if the coach doesn't talk to players, I don't care if the players don't like the coach. I care about winning football games.

Mangini's first order of business seems to be get up to speed on what kind of talent he had on the team and what kind of talent was needed. I don't think his first order of business should have been to call Rogers or anyone else and tell them how great he thinks the guy is. I don't like people who need constant attention like that.

I mean, doesn't it bother you that Rogers allegedly wants out just because the coach didn't talk to him?

I don't know why you hate Mangini so much, Django, but you have to be able to see that there are TWO sides to every story. Yeah, maybe Mangini is a total egomaniac. But maybe Rogers is too.

I guess I just think about my own life. If I have a new boss, I don't get mad when he or she doesn't go out of his or her way to talk to me, even if I'm one of the top performers. I'm the one who initiates contact with the new boss because, well, he or she is MY BOSS. Would it be nice if he or she spoke to me first? Certainly. But I'm not going to quit just because someone didn't talk to me.

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there are TWO sides to every story.

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Isnt there realy 3 side's?

exactly mac....that´s exactly how Mangini has been in NY...the fact he got even a better deal here, reaffirmed his ego and his style. Saban had the same problem in MIA and it was his downfall there

add to this report the "lukewarm" on Quinn leak, which IS 100% a DA trade posturing comment...but still, there must have been a better way of expressing your "supposed" desire to keep DA then dismantling Quinn publicly, right?

No man...just offering a general perception.

Most of the time I increase the font size and don't even pay attention to who is writing what unless it really jumps out at me..

Snubbed, my butt. This is ALL about getting paid. It's speculated that Daniel Snyder (Redskins) will ink Haynesworth to a $100 million+ deal at the start of free agency and Shaun wants to "get his."

If you look at the career numbers, Rogers' stats dwarf Haynesworths' and he probably feels more valuable and wants to hit the open market or get a raise. Either way he needs to man up and honor the contract.

I dont think this is a big deal. Most sports writers got something against the browns. I say we wait til the next season start.

Just clickin'

How long ago was it that Winslow was wanting out because no one in the front office called him after a surgery? That passed. This will, too.

It's about "respect".

Rogers isn't asking for much...not money, not anything...other than respect from the man he works for.

You want divide this team...disrespect the team leaders.

Two months into Mangini's tenure as the Browns HC and he has not spoken to his pro-bowl NT?....That, in my opinion, is disrespectful as hell toward Rogers and the rest of the team leaders for that matter.

Let Mangini cop an attitude toward Rogers speaking out and your gonna divide this team before you even get started.

This is very fixable and it's about time to address Mangini's shortcomings. I want Mangini as our HC and I want him and the Browns to succeed.

Anyone that believes Mangini is the "perfect" head coach, again I ask you, why was Mangini fired by the Jets?

It's better to get this out in the open now and address it now...jmho...mac.

One of the articles said Mangini has reached out to Rogers...whatever that means.

People seeking respect are either shy on self respect or have a inflated ego.... especially in the this context.

LOL...."he didn't say hi to me....he disrespected me"



Right.

Would it not have been just as easy for Rogers to see the coach and say "Hey coach, how's it going?". He's also part of the problem in this situation. But I see all the blame being put on Mangini.

You want to know why Mangini was fired? Ask the Jets front office people that fired him. But you can't so you make things up based on what? What his former players said? No. What Josh Cribbs said about him after Josh made an effort to meet his coach on his own? No.

If it is true that these are the reasons that Rogers wants out than it's a reflection on Rogers as well. Seems like people don't want to see that. Unfortunately for Rogers he can't be released so all of this means nothing.

Until I hear confirmation from one of the interested parties, I'm not going to put much stock in this story. Yes, Adam is a well respected writer and was right on when he reported Marvin Harrison wanted out of Indy....but he's not right 100% of the time. And even if Adam is right on about this situation, the team and Rogers have an opportunity to work this out. Maybe he wants more money, maybe he wants an apology from Eric or maybe he wants a bigger contract. We barely know the details here.

And if it can't be worked out, then we trade him for a 2nd rounder and move on. I don't need to worry about a guy that doesn't want to be here.

Eric should have contacted him and walked up to him at the function....and Shaun should have introduced himself too. Let's just wait and see before jumping on a side and screaming to the heavens.

It's about "respect".
People want respect..so here's my take..they both were there..they both probably knew each other was there but neither went out of their way to speak to each..it happens..it's not cool but it happens every day in [people's lives..
Egos at play....they need to talk and work it out and I'll guarantee it's more than just "He ignored me at a dinner"..
Usually when people aren't spoken to and felt disrespected ,they say something to the other person..

There are other reasons why Rodgers wants out.

And U can rationalize it's just respect but I say again no pro player wants to rip up his contract just because a coach didn't greet him..

My point was, maybe he did talk to Rogers. We don't know.

Get a grip..this is silly stuff..if it is all about that incident, then inmaturity has decended farther into Bera a dn is threatening to wipe out the Browns

They both could have said something to the other person..
But guess what..I'll wait to hear what happens after Mang talks to him..
Bet it comes out "Oh it's no big deal"...blah blah blah..

Not for nuttin B ... but U base your entire argument on what Jeannie said .... and then U talk about D having no common sense .... well COMMON SENSE dictates that if jeannie did snub him on purpose .. he would not in a million years come out and admit it ..... NO WAY IN HELL ... whats he suppose to say ..

"I was sending a message that I'm in charge and felt this was the proper way to do it" ... *LOL* .... Please B .. tell me exactly how if he was snubbing him he could come out and say it and not make him the most hated man in C-Town ... his only option when responding to that was to say exactly what he did ... it may have been the truth .. BUT IT WAS ALL HE COULD SAY ... so him saying it means about as much to anyone with common sense than the hacks reporting this story using it as one of Rodgers motivations for being disgruntled ...

I happen to agree with U here that he did not recognize him for what ever reason ... cause I can not fathom why U would purposely snub any player on your team much less your lone Pro Bowler on D ... so I agree with U ... but this "Jeannie said it" and D has no common sense is lame in this one .. for ... well ... common sense reasons .. *L* ...

I have no clue what happend .. nor do I care whos fault it is or what Rodger motives are ... all I know is that with Rodgers this was pretty much to be expected ... last year he had sumptin to prove .. to stick it up Detroit's ass ... well he did that by showing hes possibly the best interior lineman in all of football ... but he has also ALWAYS BEEN a WHACK JOB ... this guy has all the talent in the world but he has been a YO YO in terms of motivation ....

as Forest says .... "he's like a box of chocolates, U never know what your gonna get" ... if this is true .. were headed for a guy thats gonna report to camp about 30 boxes of chocolate over weight and will be lethargic and have a very down year for him .... thats a BIG IF ... and its still only Feb ... but this is HUGE if true ... and with Rodgers .. HISTORY SHOWS IT VERY WELL COULD BE COMING ...

as for blame ... I could care less ... I want Rodgers to be happy and motivated .. and quite frankly with him ... HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN .... this guys got a screw loose .. hes more fragile than a box of eggs ... so he is solely in charge of witch drummers beat hes listening to on any given day ...

Straight up --- Mangini wasn't my pick ( by a long shot ) ...

But if I where the new Coach of the Browns and a top player was hanging around ( Berea, or a function ) I would dam sure go out of my way to tell him how much I was looking forward to working with him.. To me that is the most basic form of Biz , period ! .. How the devil can you be in management without people skills ???????

I guess this comes off as dissing Mangini ; But Rogers " Play " on a losing team ( to say the least ) be speaks volumes to me ...

Hopefully this is much to do about nothing ... As " DC " pointed out ; the last thing we need is the FAN BASE dividing up into camps ..

Hell, I barely know what's going on inside MY head.

Sure glad you said that and not some male
Guess I'll dive behind my chair befor U bust a cap in me

Like most...Wow - what a shocker

I'm like 100 something posts from my last visit when lately its been 20something...whats going on in pure football. Then I see this bombshell.

Well like every thing that SMACKs you in the face. Once the Sting settles down and REALITY sets in its not really as bad as your first reaction.

What I found was very important and actually quite relieving:

"Some of Rogers' feelings stem back to two offseason incidents in which he believes Mangini disrespected him. The first time, Mangini walked into the Browns' training room and failed to say hello to Rogers. The next time, at a public charity function in which both men were in the green room, neither said hello to the other, and Mangini later said he didn't know Rogers was there."

He's going to sit down and talk with him...Rogers.

If those incidents built up this animosity possibly a good sit down will defuse it easily.

After all it basically was a case of Mangini with so much on his mind will draw a complete blank to his surroundings and is not politicking but instead is in deep thought so that he walks through that room in Cruise Control fashion oblivious to all that is going on around him. I get in that zone sometimes and its a weird feeling I'll even do it when driving and then I find myself at home and I'll be like - wow, how did I get here. Or I'll be in that cruise control state and end up going to a frequent destination (usually a golf course ) in cruise control state and snap out of it and start cursing myself cause its the wrong direction...

Well if Mangini can convey this to Rogers and undo the insults and start on a new foot. It can be defused.

However...there is one thing for sure!!! We will not RELEASE ROGERS!!!
We won't even think about trading him this year. Maybe it will go something like this...Start on a new foot...Give it a good year and if still disatisfied in 2010 we will trade you to a destination of your choosing if its possible. Or give him a list of interested teams and get his approval???

But he's going nowhere. He'll either be a malcontent and will damage his reputation and value cause we won't trade him this year nor cut him but if push came to shove and he brought it onto the field of play...he will have to sit!

I think time will heal....and if we start winning it will only get better!

JMHO

Rodgers play was amazing last year simply amazing .. as it has been in CERTAIN years past .. U guys just want to forget his past ... he has always been a MENTAL NIGHTMARE ....

its not like last year was his first year in the league ... Vers and I discusses this very thing before last year .. we knew he'd have a GREAT YEAR cause he was motivated by REVENGE ... then after that we had no clue what would happen ... but him returning to his egg shell fragile mental state was a HUGE CONCERN of ours ..

so even if htis gets "smoothed" over ... U never know what can or will come up to "annoy" this whack job ...

U just can't look at this in a box and isolate it as a one time thing .. this guy has a history of being dis gruntled and unhappy ...

his histroy forces u to look at it in a much broader context than just this one "incident"

No doubt : Some times talent ( at the highest level ) can be anywhere from a minor , to a very large head case ... The Rogers drama is going to play out for better or worse ... What I don't care for is the " Continuing Saga " of Browns football as we have come to know it ( circa 1999 ) ...

Hopefully this is much to do about nothing ... As " DC " pointed out ; the last thing we need is the FAN BASE dividing up into camps ..
Lemmie splain sumptin..if a pro player is disgruntled and wants to be released because a coach played him off, his mentality is weak IMO...

I said I don't buy that Mangini didn't see him at the function..that big of a body ain't hard to see..

But GMAB..this isn't just that..Rodgers is miffed about some other stuff..if all of this has any shred of truth..
It seems the malcontent label is resurfacing vera quick..
Can we just get on with FA and the draft and not have this crap popping up all the time??

Wow...I see anyone and everyone who had latent doubts on Mangini has come on force to bash him here...lol

Lets get some facts straight.
1. mangini was not a players coach his first two years at the Jets. It was brushed aside his first season as it was a winning season but was attributed for the team giving up a lot in his 2nd season.

2. Mangini changed...he made a concerted effort to that he had to better himself in this area. His whole program and relationships with the players changed in the 08 season. Maybe those who were "ROGER's DISENCHANTED" didn't love him still but they changed their mind about playing for him! You might find articles of disenchantment with Mangini in 07 but none in 08.

Why was he fired....he objected strongly the change of Pennington to Favre.

The team free fall gave the Owner the opportunity to fire Mangini and he REALLY, REALLY thought he was going to hire Cowher! Don't about Idiot owners

He then goes on vacation and doesn't even meet Cowher who was so insulted he simply cancelled the meeting all together. Yeah, imagine if Randy ever did that...lol

But not so much you MAC...you've been pretty on board whatever your reservations were with Mangini this is one of the first time I've seen a "WE MADE A MISTAKE" persona from you.

But there are several on board who for some reason - HATE RANDY, and HATE HIS PROCESS n SELECTION OF MANGINI.

But you can make whatever list of possibilities that you wish about why Mangini got fired...Reading the local papers - they really thought Cowher would be hired after all he was already working in NY.

But it wasn't cause he lost his players! Possibly if somebody digs hard enough you can find one malcontent.

But doesn't it strike anyone odd that after he left if it was as some draw it up to be

Django this mean you there would be a plethra of Mangini trashing from his teamates. Instead we actually saw an unusual out of the way show of support from his players. More so than I saw about RAC who was adored by his players supposedly.

JMHO - He was fired for Greed. The Jets owner wants to fill his new stadium with sales. Thats why he got Favre...hoping he would last in NY...thats why he wanted COWHER!!! Mangini was not a favorite with the MEDIA...not the PLAYERS and Johnson needed the MEDIA to sell his SEATs!!!

no doubt its been a real rough go since our return .. one word can sum it up ..

STABILITY .... we have had it in NO ASPECT of our org. since our return ...

and with this bunch of drama queens on the field were in for a bunch of it ...

Rodgers, Leon and KW are all very spoiled a-holes IMO ...

this thing with Rodgers ...

it could fester for the entire year and be his excuse for being a lazy jack ass ... or

it could blow over and be nuttin ... or

it could blow over and be a done deal and then his shower shoes may be left out of order and then could send him off the deep end and to a bad year ..

U have no clue with this guy ... NONE ...

at least with Braby and KW ... they may whine and act like Primma donnas but they play hard every week ..

As soon as I see stuff like this running up the off season flagpole I think of one word, "money".

Rodgers knows what he'd be worth on the open market. He's just seeing if there's a way to get there early. In the NFL you gotta make it while you can.

Once camp rolls around he'll be in Berea knocking heads for fun, not just because he's paid a truckload of money to do it. If he's dead-set on bailing out he'll risk appearing to be some kind of head case and reducing his value.

Interesting read. If we lose Rogers and is not replaced w/ someone comparable, we got a few more issues on defense.

j/c

Wow I think I am just gonna check back in around Training Camp time or so, this offseason so far has been nothing but bad news IMO