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I been thinking about this and reading everything I can find that has been written about the interaction (or lack of) between Rogers and Mangini.

A couple of points that "could" be influencing Rogers public comments.

I found this comment from one article I read... web page


......"Mangini might have already known trouble was brewing during his Feb. 4 news conference. He wished Rogers well for the Pro Bowl the following weekend and said Rogers would have a chance there to talk to New York Jets Pro Bowl tackle Kris Jenkins, a big Mangini supporter.

"Shaun will be able to ask Kris some questions about me," Mangini said. "Kris and I had a great relationship and I think that'll be good." ............


We are a couple of weeks after the Pro Bowl and the Rogers comments surface. Could it be that Rogers did ask Kris Jenkins about Mangini and that report was not positive?

This is one possibility...

Another possibility...Crennel has not committed to the Browns yet, has he?

Rogers likes Crennel and this is just my take, I believe Crennel let Rogers get away with a lot in practice, going very easy on him. Everyone knows that Rogers had an issue with his conditioning and had to come out of games at critical times because he was gassed. That kind of conduct is not likely to continue under Mangini.

There is another team that has mentioned Crennel as a possible defensive consultant...the KC Chiefs. Could the Chiefs' Pioli be attempting to lure Rogers to the Chiefs and using Crennel to help facilitate the deal?

Both of scenarios I just laid out "may have nothing" to do with this situation. This is just me brain storming with my tin foil hat on, asking the question WHY?

I wish Mangini had not been so distant toward Rogers but it's done now. Now Mangini has to patch things up or we may have another player on the trading block.

I hope the Browns announce that Rogers is not going anywhere because Mangini and Rogers met and addressed all the issues that caused this problem.

Why does this crap happen to the Browns?...How friggin hard is it to walk up and introduce yourself to your players? How hard is it to pick up a telephone and talk to your players?

Such a small thing, that could lead to our best defensive player leaving....only in Cleveland...a terrible way to start rebuilding the franchise.

... " and not have this crap popping up all the time??.. "

... There in lies the problem ! ... Trust me , I'm with ya all the way ; It's the Browns organization that has the problem

Here's something that U guys might want to see..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/don_banks/news/2003/04/24/banks_draft/



Somewhat curiously for a team that's trying to improve its 31st-ranked defense, the Lions are shopping third-year defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. The Jets are very interested and are said to be offering a low second-round pick in exchange for Rogers, who was a steal for Detroit in 2001's second round.

What gives? No. 2 Detroit may just be trying to shop its most marketable defensive commodity, in the hopes of extracting a first-rounder from some team that drafts just beyond the run of big-time defensive tackles. Or the Lions may be trying to motivate Rogers, who had a disappointing, injury-plagued second season after a stellar rookie year. Rogers is said to have gotten off to a shaky start with new Lions head coach Steve Mariucci, who doesn't think he's disciplined enough in terms of the team's off-season workout program.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, confirmed Wednesday that he has asked the Lions for a trade, given that they acknowledge shopping his client. But Detroit didn't grant McGuire's request to speak to other teams, and the Lions made it clear that they want to rebuild the relationship. Rogers, who had ankle surgery last year in training camp and broke his thumb in Week 2, has two years remaining on his rookie four-year deal.

"They're listening to offers from teams that have called," McGuire said. "Given that Shaun knows what they think of him now, we've asked for a trade. We weren't given much hope of being allowed to seek that, but we're going to keep our fingers on the pulse."

^ No doubt. We all knew what we might be getting in Rogers.

.. " Ohhhhh! A thousand pardons. I have disgraced myself and my ancestors.. "

..You might be getting a little carried away with the Ancestors thing

j/c
here's another article i thought pertained to this issue...

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Opinion: Slave to the Rumor Mill
Shaun Rogers (Getty Images)

By Barry McBride
OBR Publisher
Posted Feb 25, 2009


As expected, unverified rumors take center stage when there's little else to report. OBR publisher Barry McBride offers his perspective on two rumors which have surfaced in the last day.

It’s starting.

In a Letter to Randy Lerner on 1/29, we wrote: "Rumors, whether tossed out by the local media or new internet media… will get increased heft because they will be increasingly difficult for local media entities to disprove. Weaken the local media, strengthen snipers at the national level who you cannot control.”

Alrighty, then.

Over the last eighteen hours, two new reports have thrown doubt on the Cleveland Browns plans for the immediate future, again painting the organization in ways they might not prefer.

With Browns news scarce, bloggers and even some in the local media have jumped on the items like starving dogs with a wad of beef jerky suddenly thrown into their midst, happily regurgitating both back as fact, or close to it.

One of them seems provably false, and the other is possibly inspired by the team’s weak position in the public eye.

Let’s take a look at each.

BROWNS LUKEWARM ON QUINN?

The first rumor, which we can deal with quickly, is today’s report from Pro Football Talk that the Browns regime is “lukewarm” on quarterback Brady Quinn.

This is an easily-formed impression of the team’s intent and, in my opinion, not really newsworthy. The team will appear to be lukewarm towards Quinn for two reasons, neither of which will surprise readers of this site:

1. Showing wild enthusiasm for Quinn would dampen the trade value for Derek Anderson. The new brain trust has a strong incentive to fog up their intentions at the QB position. It was generally thought that Quinn would be the starter and that DA would be available for trade. Expressing limited enthusiasm for Quinn and some enthusiasm for Anderson helps douse some speculation which would reduce the team’s leverage should they get serious about dealing Anderson.
2. This new administration does not to listen to marching orders about how the roster is constructed, and does not have a very high opinion of the public’s skill at talent evaluation. They’re at pains to point out that they are evaluating these players on a level field, and are not influenced in any way by outside opinions. Don’t expect to see bobblehead-like rapid head nods on the value of the popular Quinn.

So, in my opinion, the buzz via PFT this morning and last week’s comments in Indianapolis are exactly what you would expect to hear, and don’t show the team’s hand either way. It gives folks something to write about, but means nothing.

The PFT report is correct, however, in saying that the new administration doesn’t have any particular stake in justifying the presence of either QB on the roster.

John Taylor and Lane Adkins have been writing about the QB situation for months, and provide a different picture of the team’s direction with Quinn and Anderson and the potential for trades. Naturally, we have greater faith in what we’ve heard with our own ears.


DOES SHAUN ROGERS WANT OUT OF CLEVELAND?

The latest Browns rumor – which isn’t exactly getting a good reaction from fans – is via NFL.com’s Adam Schefter.

Schefter works for NFL owners, but this latest report certainly didn’t come from within the Browns front office. It likely came from either someone who knows Rogers personally or via Rogers’ representatives.

Regardless of the source, Rogers has certainly done this sort of thing before, and is well-motivated to do it again now. In fact, the timing is perfect.

Rogers is coming off a Pro Bowl season where he exceeded expectations and was clearly the dominant player on the Cleveland Browns defense. He is also watching a free agent market that will likely reward even troubled DT Albert Haynesworth with a mind-boggling contract

The Browns are also somewhat vulnerable at this point, and the story looks quite believable given recent media coverage. For example, a story last month in the local media that made a big deal out of Mangini not talking with Rogers during a recent event in Canton. Mangini is often pictured as holing up in his office, and not talking to players.

We’ve reported things somewhat differently, but given the general media coverage of the team to date, I have no doubt that a lot of folks will take the story at face value, i.e., “grumpy new coach has already irritated his best player”.

There are really three possibilities about this story:

1. It’s about money. The team’s poor public image may have created the sense on the part of players or their representatives that they might have some leverage. The fact that the player's gripes are simply presented as Rogers being "disenchanted", and that they become public right before the NFL’s annual spending spree could lead to this conclusion.
2. Rogers is genuinely distressed and wants to leave. His gripes haven’t been spelled out, but it’s known that Rogers had a positive opinion about some of the people who have recently left the organization, which might have upset him.
3. The story is as severe as the report might indicate. In this case, Rogers is bothered by some things have have been happening, but hasn’t gone as far as the story claims. The Browns have already said that Rogers hasn’t asked for his release, and Rogers hasn’t even talked to Mangini about his concerns.

My gut tells me it’s “3”. Regardless of the truth – and you know we’re already digging to get it – the story will certainly get a lot of attention. A number of fans and bloggers have jumped on board the cries of despair are already being heard.

Personally, I think I'll just grab a seat on the fence here until I get more information. I'll save you a seat if you want it.

Well, mac, Attack already answered, but I'll answer it again. Gini was fired because he opposed the move to Favre, wanted to sit Favre and was told no, and the team imploded. He was the scapegoat Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, you say you believe he has problems communicating with his players. Why haven't you answered why no one has come out and said anything negative about him that played for him and, in fact, supported him and questioned his firing? If he was such a jerk to work for and the players hated him, why would they voice support for him? It's really simple. Your beliefs are erroneous.

Django, imagine that, you side iwth Rogers and think he is right. I never saw that coming considering your hatred for Gini and your intense desire to see him fail. I guess you overlook if Rogers really wanted to meet his new boss, he could have walked up and said "hi" himself. I can just see if it were reported that Gini felt "disenfranchised" and "disrespected" because Rogers didn't say hi to him. You would be on here crowing how Gini was little Napoleon with a huge eog problem. You're too transparent.

Diam, what I was referring to is what I posted before the story broke in the media and the press conference, not what was said publicly (though he said the same thing later in the PC). He stated before all this came out that he didn't see Rogers because he was in a hurry and on his way to talk to someone else. He came out and said the same thing in the presser days later.

This is much ado about nothing. Rogers has PROVEN he has maturity problems. That is well documented in Detroit. Yet, the Gini haters are gleefully putting the blame on Gini because it is an attempt to be right.

The simple truth is that there are serious maturity issues with Rogers if he seriously is offended by someone not seeing him and saying hi or he is using this as an excuse to become a FA. I keep hearing how it can't be about money because he's giving up the $6 million roster bonus if the Browns let him loose. Of course, if I were to ask you to give up $6 million and instead give you $60 million, would you do it?

The other possibility is this is nothing but pure crap and nothing more than a writer trying to stir the pot.

As an almost 60 year old geezer...I realize that my comprehension skills are far from what they once were but...........................

We are talking about a thirty something, 370 pound, millionaire football player
who was recognized as an All Pro player in the 2008 season.

Such a man must command plenty of double teaming and special defenses to be set against his defensive play.

So how it is that this massive mountain of a man is said to be outraged that his new Head Coach failed to recognize his huge presence at an awards banquet for SOMEONE ELSE DURING THIS OFFSEASON?

If Shaun Rogers is upset that E.Mangini ignored him at a sports function why hasn't Shaun approached Head Coach for a meeting?

Can't you imagine this huge man expressing his hurt emotions because of this snub...how damn embarrassing would that be.

Do we really now know why his nickname is BIG BABY?

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There you go on the blog thing again. MOST writers have blogs now, that's how they distribute a good bit of their material.

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I know that Jules,, but in almost every case (not all) these blogs remind me very much of the old Roger Brown column in the PD.. you know, it always started with "rumor has it" that guy was pretty bad.

Also, unless the rules on this board have changed, blogs are still not considered formal verification of anything... I could be wrong, I've not looked at the rules in a long long time.

You are wrong. Blogs were not allowed....and still aren't if it's from Joe Blow's blog in his basement...because when they first started they were mainly just fans and rumor crap. Now writers call the same thing they've always written "blogs". There is nothing different and they hold the same weight they always have, it's just like a column anywhere else. Get over the blog thingy, the meaning has changed.

I read in a thread last week where SOME blogs are allowed from sports writers if they are from a credited site. ie not some fans blog. Not sure if Mike from PFT is considered a "credited" source but the story (his) was quoted on ESPN and NFL.com. And.. he stayed at a Holiday Inn while at the combine I heard.

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You are wrong. Blogs were not allowed....and still aren't if it's from Joe Blow's blog in his basement

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So some blogs are allowed and some aren't... Got it

as for my opinions of blogs,, I thought I made it clear that most come across like Roger Brown and I think we can agree that Roger wasn't exactly a guy that was REALLY "in the know" he just acted like it. I think that tainted my view of blogs in general,,

Perhaps I need to rethink that.....

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Why in the hell are the players not doing their job and getting with Mangini's program.

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What program would that be GM?? .. seriously ... I have heard nuttin about anything much less Jeanie's program ... and i'm fine with that ... we as fans do not need to know what has or has not been communicated between Jeannie or anyone on his staff to the players ... but the FACT IS .... we have no clue if Jeannies called them all .. e-mailed them personally .. had there position coaches call and talk to them .. or if there has been NO COMMUNICATION at all .....

U may be getting some info from Danielle .. and if u are .. thats great .. BUT WE DON'T KNOW what that info is .. so please share what that program is ... and if U can't share it .. I'll understand .. but then U should not be talking about it at all ...

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It's his job to COACH not hold hands, baby sit, and stoke ego's

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your right .. that is his job .. but theres a whole lot of room between that and being a jerk!!! .... Jeannie may be doing things exactly the right way ... I HAVE NO CLUE ... and if u do .. u haven't shared with us .. so as far as we know ... U HAVE NO CLUE EITHER ...

I have no clue what has or has not been communicated .. if i were in that position .. I would make it a point to call everyone of my players within the first 2 or 3 days just to introduce myself and tell them what the plan is .. even if its just to state the obvious ... thats just SMART COACHING .... I mean I know hes busy ... but U call 10 guys a day for the first week and u have your top 50 guys covered ... it would take an hour a day to set there minds at ease ..

I am not bashing Jeannie here ... I am just saying that we have no clue whats going on ... he may be being the biggest a-hole ever or he may be doing things the exact right way ... fact is .. WE HAVE NO CLUE ...

B .. I agree wuth what your saying as far as what i happend .. I said that ... but i do not agree with U basing it at all off of what jeannie said .. either now or back then .. IT IS ALL HE COULD SAY is my only point ...

I asked u tell me what he could say if he was snubbing the big fella w/o making himself look like the biggest ass ever ... that was all i wanted to point out .. Jeannie had one thing and one thing only to say ... regardless of what really happend ...

and like i said .. i do not believe he would snub him on purpose .. just make no sense to me on any level ..

One one side of the scale $ & ego, on the other ego. Assuming the rumors are true, IMO the $ tips the scale. Rogers isn't on the field in a Browns uni, and this just became the 1st clusterfrack of the new regime. Good times.

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Rogers needs to stop being such a "Big Baby."

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If this is in any way true then I agree. So the Coach doesn't say hello. Tell mommy about it and get over it.

Message to Shaun.....much as water said, you played your butt off for the club...every down...it was recognized and respect was rightly earned. Pad up and man up.

GM, is that you.. is that really you.. hell man, I didn't know you could type that much. not sure I've ever seen a post of yours that contained more than 1 or 2 lines

I must have left the keyboard on auto pilot

Ahh, I knew it had to be something like that....LOL

GM..TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOOOOOWWWW...resistance is futile..

J/C...

For the cap guru's out there, the article says it would be a $9.7 cap hit if we release him (which ain't gonna happen)....so how much of a cap hit if we traded him?

I'm not even going to comment on the rest of your BS ... and thats pretty much all it was ... its a great thing U get info from Danielle ... U could have handled this alot of different ways .. thanks for choosing the pompous ass option ....

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As for Jeannie doing things the right way or the wrong way, has no bearing on the players doing what they should be doing which is getting ready for the 2009 season. It makes no difference if you agree with your boss what matters is how you do your job.

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and when u relate that to players in the NFL and U truely believe its just that simple .. then u really are a clueless redneck ..

Jeannie's job is to be a coach .. not an A-HOLE DICTATOR ...

I'm just curious isn't the team meeting as a group for the first time like March 16th or something like that...Won't that be when the program will be introduced...including the beginning of the Strength n conditioning of course we kept the same coaches so that off season program should be in full swing. But any Mangini program with the players I would think would start in March???

JMH?

Your correct EO

jc...

Agent for Shaun Rogers expresses concerns to Cleveland Browns

by Mary Kay Cabot / Plain Dealer Reporter
Wednesday February 25, 2009, 4:04 PM

CLEVELAND --- The agent for disgruntled Browns defensive lineman Shaun Rogers said Wednesday that he's been in contact with the team, but would not say if Rogers has asked to be traded or released.
"I can't confirm or deny that," said agent Kennard McGuire. "My conversation with them is going to stay between us and we're going to govern accordingly from there."

McGuire stressed that "there are no financial or contract concerns on our behalf."

A Browns source said that as of Tuesday afternoon, Rogers had not asked to be traded or released and that coach Eric Mangini was trying to reach out to Rogers to try to resolve the misunderstanding.

The source said Mangini is confident that the situation can be rectified when the two parties have a chance to talk and that Mangini values Rogers very highly and wants him on the team.

Another source confirmed a report on nfl.com that Rogers is upset about two separate incidents when he felt he was snubbed by Mangini. The first was when Mangini failed to say hello to him in the training room at the Browns facility and the second was at the Greater Cleveland Sports Awards on Jan. 23 when both men were in the media room at the same time but did not acknowledge each other.

Rogers, who capped off his season by making the Pro Bowl, is also upset about a larger issue, the nature of which is unknown. But most of it boils down to a lack of communication, sources said.

Rogers' concerns are very serious and not something that's been blown out of proportion, those close to him said. If the matter is not resolved to his satisfaction, he probably will ask to be traded or released.

As it is, Rogers has asked the Browns not to pay his guaranteed $6 million option bonus next month, according to nfl.com's Adam Schefter, and he would rather be released after only one season despite the fact he's still owed $15 million in guaranteed money.

One bone of contention is that more than a month passed after the Greater Cleveland Sports Awards Ceremony without any word from Mangini about the media-room slight. Even after it was brought to the attention of the Browns that Rogers was very upset and that there was a sense of urgency, he never heard from the coach.

Mangini explained during a press conference Feb. 4 that he didn't mean to disrespect his star defensive player.

"I didn't even realize Shaun was there at the time," said Mangini. "I know that's probably hard to believe considering how big he is and how big I am. It's like two destroyers missing each other."

Mangini went on to wish Rogers well in the Pro Bowl that upcoming weekend, but seemed to know that trouble might be brewing. Mangini said Rogers would have a chance to talk to Jets nose tackle Kris Jenkins, a huge Mangini supporter, at the Pro Bowl.

"Shaun will be able to ask Kris some questions about me," said Mangini. "Kris and I had a great relationship and I think that'll be good."

Mangini also praised Rogers' immense talent.

"I've really enjoyed watching him on tape," said Mangini. "I always appreciate a 360-pound nose guard that's powerful and destructive and has a high motor."

He explained that he hadn't talked to most of the players yet because he was planning lengthy one-on-one meetings with each of them when the off-season weight program begins in mid-March.

"That's really important to me," said Mangini.

But it might be too late to save his relationship with Rogers, only the second Browns Pro Bowl defensive player since 1995.

Mangini said he's proud of the relationship he had with his Jets players, as evidenced by how many of them supported him after he was fired. He said he expected to have the same kind of relationship with his players here.

"Anytime somebody new comes in, there's a process of getting to know that person," Mangini said. "I feel really comfortable with who I am and the things I do. Anytime you come into a new environment, the changes take some getting used to."

Mangini had to win over Jets receiver Laveranues Coles when he first arrived in New York in 2006. He flew to Coles' home in Jacksonville, Fla. last off-season to help resolve a contract dispute. Mangini, according to the Browns source, is confident he can help Rogers realize that he was busy assembling his staff, and preparing for the draft and free agency, and that he didn't mean to put Rogers off.

Acquired in a trade with the Lions last off-season for cornerback Leigh Bodden and a third-round pick, Rogers signed a six-year, $42 million deal that extended his contract by three years through 2013. It included $20 million in guarantees and a total of $23 million over the first three years.

Rogers appeared rejuvenated last season when he recorded 76 tackles, 4.5 sacks and a team-high 15 pressures en route to his third career Pro Bowl.

The Browns would take a $9.7 million salary cap hit if they cut Rogers, according to nfl.com, but sources said they have no intentions of releasing him.




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Sadly, we all knew this was a potential problem with Rogers. Oh and if he doesn't buy into what Jeannie is cooking we are better off just getting what we can in a trade, and eating the money. Don't believe me..........ask the Lions. If the guy is unmotivated he can be a big distraction in the locker room, and a non factor on the field. We've already seen this show before in Detroit.

If I'm Coke and Jeannie, and the meeting doesn't go well , then I start feeling offers, and make plans to draft Raji at # 5. The last thing a new regime needs is a malcontent causing trouble (no matter how talented he is).

I must say that I'm amazed at how sensitive and baby-ish these guys can really be. I mean this is ridiculous, even if he's just saying it to mask up other concerns he may have.

I mean, honestly, imagine if a guy like this played back with Jim Brown, or Otto Graham, or Lou Groza. He would be laughed out of the locker room for being such a petulent child.

I don't like seeing that an agent for a player under contract has been in contact with the FO. For whatever reason he contacted the FO, the situation will be resolved to everyones satisfaction.

Just clickin on you BigWillie, not directed at you.

THIS IS INSANE.

Frankly I'm glan Mangini is too busy to coddle anyone. He has a huge amount of work to do and was without a GM for most of the time in question.
Free agency and the draft are right around the corner for love of God. I glad the man is focus on the most urgent & long term issues. Note that the players that did wake him from his work stated that it was good I.E. Cribbs n Quinn, so he is not snubbing them even though he plate is HEAPING.

The one constant the Browns have had since 99 is it's stars have been whiney sissy's and we have been overall a soft team. ( That was painful to put in wrighting). The best part about our new coach, is that I believe he will play the best player regardless of there draft status or dollars. We desperately need that mind set in our starters heads. (play great ball or sit I don't care who you are) . I loved Shaun last season, because he was (that) on the field. I hope since this unfortunet situation has happenend the FO uses it to send a message. "shut up and play the game that your being paid insane amounts of money to play" Do this and the rewards and RESPECT , you heard that Shaun, respect will come. Nobody respects a crybaby....nobody.

Work these man-children like the elite dogs they are supposed to be and if they can't handle it, case-n-point that they are not elite.

I want my Browns to come out on the field, hit someone in the mouth (leagally) and think to themselves...."I get paid for this, yes"

Dude is getting paid Millions,, we fire our old coach, hire a new one, give him a tough job to do, tell him to get to work, he does so and he's probably a bit to busy to hold a MILLIONAIRES hand and this cry baby wants him to bend over for him..

Who works for who here?

LOL, fiction can be fun. Do you have a link to that conspiracy theory being a fact? No, you don't becaiuse it's quite simple a load of bunk.

Yeah, Lerner should consult Gates or Trump on who to hire to run a football team. They are both great football minds and know how to build a winning franchise. He should never have consulted with someone that has built mulitple winning organizations like Ernie Accorsi. That guy doesn't have a clue about how to run a franchise. He just helped restore Cleveland to the upper tier of football, the Giants to a Super Bowl winning franchise, and the Falcons swift turn around this year. Yeah, ignore him and talk to guys that haven't touched a football, let alone run a successful team (Trump was great in the USFL, huh?).

As to the fantasy you posted about why Gini was fired, all I can say is wow. Tell us wher you got all this information that the Jets told the players to question the organization's move. That's sound business there, huh, KOB? Tell your employees to support a terminated employee and question the Jets' FO and have the fanbase question it, too. That's a winning formula.

Maybe you should stick to being Ron Paul's disciple because your conspiracy theories on the Browns is beyond ridiculous.