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In Cutlers defense.....he had no defense last season and had the SD game stolen by that ridiculous fumble call.
Cutler the QB is way better than what he have on our roster today. Maybe Quinn will develop, maybe he won't. We already know what DA brings to the table, which is nothing. So if the current bunch feel Cutler is ok, theyd be crazy not to trade an unknown quantity like Quinn for a proven guy.
My concern with Cutler is his money demands and his maturity...but talent wise, the dude has serious game.
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That's what deserve meant,...if he gets traded, then the said deserved chance is gone. In case there is a doubt, I am done with Anderson. And if they do trade Quinn, then so be it.
So how many Super Bowls did this Cutler guy win ?
Cutler has as many Super Bowls as Marino if that makes it any better..Just a question...If there is a three way trade or we are left with Anderson as our starting QB and you are done with him, does that mean you will not support the Browns? Just asking, because it could be a reality. I hope you are not like the guy above that says if Quinn gets traded he is done with this organization..
If Quinn is the starter next year here so be it, If it is Anderson so be that, Cutler or Campbell oh well. If Quinn gets his opportunity somewhere else, I won't lose no sleep over it. I just want a winning competetive football team with an identity..that's all. If we can use Quinn to get the players to create that identity..great. Mangini is the coach and we need to just let him do whatever it takes to create this winner. I believe he has a plan, I believe he wants nothing more than to trump Belicheck, now just let him do it.
Please anyone that says they will no longer be a Browns fan because they trade a player..get lost!
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Couch and Frye got their shots; Quinn deserves his. If he fails, the Browns are no further behind than they are now.
given the context, being that the two examples were of players handed their starts, it is perfectly fair to read your quote as saying "quinn deserves to START and if he fails, the browns are no further behind." if that's not what you meant, then fine.
that said, if quinn were traded, his likeliness of starting is drastically higher than if he stayed here for a qb battle. not saying he wouldn't win, just that it's a guarantee that he's starting on the team he got traded for.
so how long did it take for peyton to win a ring? cutler lead a broncos offense that was #2 in yardage while carrying a defense that was #28 and #30 the past two seasons. what do you want from him?
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Actually I got a kick from Solomon on NFL Network Total Access last night as they were talking about where Cutler could be with.
And he started saying Cleveland and then went on to say how perfect that would be for Denver cause of Brady Quinn...he knows the offense playing with Weiss all those years and is ready to make his move as a starting QB it would be the perfect situation for Denver!!
HELLO!!! McFLY!!! and just what is perfect for the Browns? If Quinn is perfect and I think he even used the word "Better" (I could be mistaken) for the Broncos cause of the Offense they are going to run...What about HERE. Yeah the Browns were put on this Earth for other teams to UTILIZE us 
We are suppose to be running the same type of OFFENSE 
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the same could be said about DA, and Quinn tho so that doesnt hold water in my eyes
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Just clicking my $.02...
I would hesitate to trade either DA or Quinn and possibly multiple 2nd or 3rd round picks for Cutler. Cutler is probably better than DA, maybe better than Quinn. He does have upside, but some would say DA has upside as well. Quinn is more of the big question mark, but hasn't had much of a chance to sink or swim yet.
I don't think Cutler is worth that price for THIS team. We need to be hoarding picks, not dealing them away for the "next" solution at QB. We may have that "next" solution already, and can use this season to find out, while the rest of the renovation project continues. I don't see the need to deal away picks to get a stud this year when it's going to take a lot of other players and adjustments to make this team a competitive playoff contender.
If both DA and Quinn flame out this year, we can look to the 2010 draft in what will probably be a deeper QB class, and hopefully we'll have fewer holes to fill at the end of next year.
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Along the same lines, they said Quinn would be perfect for Denver because Quinn has ties to the Pats system.......and since McDaniels is a Pats diceiple, then it's a perfect fit. Someone needs to remind these guys that Mangini is from the Pats system too.*
*Granted, McDaniels was an offensive guy near the end but they both started on the defensive side under Belichick.
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Yes, I would be disappointed that Quinn didn't get a chance. And I would certainly rail on Anderson being the starter in light of past performance. Whether I would support the team or not because I didn't like it (??) I personally don't believe in telling people that what they feel or think is wrong.
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I didn't tell people what they thionk or feel is right or wrong...I simply said get lost! They can have their opinion, but if it is to not support a team because they got rid of an unproven QB..I say so long and don't let the door hit you on the way out!
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I'll support what ever the Browns do. But I think we should stick with Quinn and explore a three way trade that sends Cutler somewhere and we ship DA to Denver and we get a 2nd or 3rd.
But I don't think Denver will go for that and I think they would want Quinn for the same reasons that McDaniels wanted Cassel. If we do trade Quinn we should be getting a first rounder back.
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I would hesitate to trade either DA or Quinn and possibly multiple 2nd or 3rd round picks for Cutler. Cutler is probably better than DA, maybe better than Quinn. He does have upside, but some would say DA has upside as well.
Cutler is probably better than DA? That's a stretch. Cutler has had 2 1/2 successful seasons in the NFL and is consistent. DA has a one successful season in the NFL, and even in that season he was inconsistent. Cutler's upside is different than DA's. Cutler has already proven he can be a starter in the NFL, and yet he is still improving. He can also move outside the pocket and scramble for yards, things DA can't do. Cutler also has an equally good arm as Anderson, if not better. And we all know he is more accurate.
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I don't think Cutler is worth that price for THIS team. We need to be hoarding picks, not dealing them away for the "next" solution at QB. We may have that "next" solution already, and can use this season to find out, while the rest of the renovation project continues. I don't see the need to deal away picks to get a stud this year when it's going to take a lot of other players and adjustments to make this team a competitive playoff contender.
You wouldn't deal draft picks for a proven franchise QB who is only 26 years old? I would. Also, if we traded for Cutler it's not"Is he the next quarterback?" It's, "Cutler is the QB." Yes we may have the next solution at QB on our roster right now, but if we got Cutler we would have our QB, not maybe, we would have one. It makes no sense to wait a year and be crappy again to see if we need to get a new QB again if the solution is right in front of you. It's not like we would be trading away picks for an unknown player. We would be trading picks for a starting QB who we know is good. If you don’t have a franchise QB you do anything possible to get one. Quinn may be a franchise QB, Anderson may be a franchise QB. Cutler is a franchise QB.
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If both DA and Quinn flame out this year, we can look to the 2010 draft in what will probably be a deeper QB class, and hopefully we'll have fewer holes to fill at the end of next year.
Yes, we can see if Quinn or Anderson suck. If they do we can spend $50 million on a QB who has never played in the NFL. That makes sense. Instead of doing that, why don’t we get our QB now and build around him. Not wait and see, then maybe build around someone.
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You just said it but it's worth repeating....
If we can get Cutler (without getting raped) you do it in a New York minute. No more QB worries for probably 10 years. Right now all we have are maybes. With Cutler you have an actual QB.
Hell, if had Cutler we could trade both guys.
Having said that we won't do it. Mangini passed on Cutler with the Jets. He won't go after him now. I'd bet serious money on that.
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I'll bet a lot of coaches and/or GMs have passed on guys in the draft that would love to have that decision back... so just because he didn't draft him, doesn't mean he wouldn't want him now.
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It's not like he passed on him for a scrub either he took Nick Mangold and D'Brickashaw Ferguson with his 1st rounders in that draft.
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They knew we existed last year. Look where that got us. 
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Sounds to me like he might have been building his o-line BEFORE he went out and got his QB... what a novel concept.
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I'll bet a lot of coaches and/or GMs have passed on guys in the draft that would love to have that decision back... so just because he didn't draft him, doesn't mean he wouldn't want him now.
True. But so far EM doesn't strike me as a guy who easily admits he made a mistake. And trading for Cutler would be doing just that.
We may never know.
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I'll bet a lot of coaches and/or GMs have passed on guys in the draft that would love to have that decision back... so just because he didn't draft him, doesn't mean he wouldn't want him now.
True. But so far EM doesn't strike me as a guy who easily admits he made a mistake. And trading for Cutler would be doing just that.
We may never know.
It seemed to work out for him as those OL building blocks got him to the playoffs that year...I'm sure he doesn't regret passing on Cutler then.
That has nothing to do with now though. Trading for Cutler to be a Cleveland Brown wouldn't be admitting he made a mistake passing up Cutler in the draft on the New York Jets.
I'm not sold on the Cutler situation unless we give Denver DA as part of a 3-team deal and keep Quinn, but there is a lot of silliness being brought out by it.
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I'm not sold on the Cutler situation unless we give Denver DA as part of a 3-team deal and keep Quinn, but there is a lot of silliness being brought out by it.
They'll never trade Cutler for DA. DA is just a poor imitation of Cutler. Quinn would represent someone like Cassell that could be more controlled and be more of a game manager. That's what McDaniels wants, IMO.
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I'm not sold on the Cutler situation unless we give Denver DA as part of a 3-team deal and keep Quinn, but there is a lot of silliness being brought out by it.
They'll never trade Cutler for DA. DA is just a poor imitation of Cutler. Quinn would represent someone like Cassell that could be more controlled and be more of a game manager. That's what McDaniels wants, IMO.
That's what I'm hoping closes this door.
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Why is Quinn what Mcdaniels wants,but not what Mangini wants?
Mangini had Pennington for two years,and seemed quite content to go thru last year with him.That was until he had Favre/Cook shoved down his throat.I would think the bad taste that left will have him avoiding Cutler/Cook like the plague.
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So you don't want Cutler?
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No,...he shows signs of the cry-baby, me-me, mentality. I don't care how talented he is. My secondary agenda is to see Quinn play some more QB. I think--can't prove--the kid has "it."
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He showed no signs of being a crybaby, me-me guy until McDaniels attempted to trade for Matt Cassell.
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With Cutler you have an actual QB.
So you have to then ask why Cutler would be moving away from Denver...........
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He showed no signs of being a crybaby, me-me guy until McDaniels attempted to trade for Matt Cassell.
Are you ignoring his trade demand after they fired his QB's coach? Are you ignoring his quotes when Shanahan was fired? Or are you simply unaware.......
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I think we've overlooked this part:
"Cutler is 17-20 with no playoff appearances since supplanting Jake Plummer as Denver's quarterback late in the 2006 season, and he's known for his petulant, moody personality in his dealings with teammates and the media."
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I'm against the spoiled-brat Cutler, but it's ALWAYS a mistake to equate winning percentage and playoff appearances to a players worth. Any arguement that says a player is "just a winner, he wins games, which is good enough for me" is flawed and the author becomes an instant candidate for deletion from the gene pool 
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I guess I was just unaware. But I still rather have him over two unproven QB's.
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Well then delete me, I don't care. I didn't make the quote.
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Being unaware isn't a crime  However, it does make for moments of "Oh Hell, I wish I knew that BEFORE I said what I said" *L*
When Shanny was fired, Cutler opined that he was extremely upset because he didn't see it coming, and "nobody told ME."
That's a strike against him.
Prior to that, there was a quip where he thumped his chest and stated he had a stronger arm than Elway's (A rather stOOpid thing to say).
When McDaniels fired the QB's coach, Cutler went apecrap and demanded a trade.
So, if the discussion is just about talent, that's one thing, but this isn't just about talent. WHY would he now be available in trade? Because the Donks recognize he's a douchebag, and weren't interested in talking a new contract with his agent Bus Cook.
When the Donks hired McDaniels, I said there was no way in Hell I'd hire a HC that young. Since then, McDaniels has done little with this situation that tells me he's ready to handle the spotlight. He hasn't helped this thing out at all. Having said that, Cutler has done a fine job of being a 100% Grade-A PRIME Ass, and that's not the kind of player you build around.
The Browns are trying to GET RID of "me" players, not acquire them.  Besides, Mangini is alot like McDaniels because of who taught him how to be a coach. What makes anyone think that changing teams to another coach with that mindset would make Cutler suddenly any different
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Cutler is no better then Quin, imo....Neither has done anything in the NFL. I hate to say it but GULP! DA has done more then both.  ...Look at how many game's and compaire. Not saying either is no good, but what have you done for me lattley?
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Expelled from the gene pool,no no.
Your punishment will be to forever swim in the shallow end.
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And one more thing Quin only had a rateing in college of 60%
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Shotty, Cutler has done plenty in the NFL. He had the most attempts, completions, yards, and third most touchdowns in the AFC last year.
That being said, I want no part of him.
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how manny playoff game's has he won?
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