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The Browns are going to sign David Patten today.
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HAHA thats what i was going for haha
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He's 35 years old!!! You've got to be freakin kidding me! We're starting to look like George Allen's Redskins for God's sake!!!
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I'm betting that some of the people who don't like the Patten signing are the same people who didn't like the release of Jurevicius. The only difference is, Patten isn't from Ohio. Oh, and he actually played last year.
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i for one am not against this signing at all. we need depth and he is a veteran who will bring leadership to the locker room. this signing only makes me think we will re-sign edwards, and maybe even draft crabtree and have Patten around to mentor
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Patten is worthless, he's not worth league min or whatever we paid him. It's absolutely mind boggling to me why we sign Patten, but don't sign Engram or Holt...guys that are actually DECENT players.
It's simply another unproductive, old, BUM.
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I suppose we will just have to sit back and see...i would have rather had Holt, but i am not against this signing one bit. we still need a number 2 WR tho...im hoping we either get crabtree...or wait a few rounds and get Robo
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Patten is worthless, he's not worth league min or whatever we paid him. It's absolutely mind boggling to me why we sign Patten, but don't sign Engram or Holt...guys that are actually DECENT players.
It's simply another unproductive, old, BUM.
He is just as good as Joe J but because Patten is not from Ohio, HE'S worthless.
Double standards at its finest.
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He's 35 years old!!! You've got to be freakin kidding me! We're starting to look like George Allen's Redskins for God's sake!!!
Didnt the Redskins make the playoffs and play the Dolphins in the Super Bowl that year........ 
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It's simply another unproductive, old, BUM.
If a player's less productive because of age, he's not a BUM.
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How much are Engram and Holt asking for?
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Patten is worthless, he's not worth league min or whatever we paid him. It's absolutely mind boggling to me why we sign Patten, but don't sign Engram or Holt...guys that are actually DECENT players.
It's simply another unproductive, old, BUM.
How bout we see Patten play before we call him a bum?
Remember, this is the NFL... signed today could mean released tomorrow...
It looks like a favor for an old friend...one last chance for Patten.
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mac, please be aware that we are not allowed to wait until we actually see a player play for the Browns before we can label him a "bum" so as to look cool in front of others.
Please jump to conclusions at the earliest possible time. Thank you.
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How much are Engram and Holt asking for?
That's what I'm wondering, because if Bobby Engram is still quick enough to get separation and can stay healthy, he'd be a good pick. But the Seahawks wouldn't let him go for no reason, he's been a favorite of Hasselback for years.
David Patten is a big play vertical receiver. He'll be our number 3 or 4.
But yeah, i'm not sure how good Engram is now, but I feel like he's always been an overlooked receiver throughout his career. He plays hard, blocks, and isn't afraid to catch the ball over the middle. He's got good hands and runs good routes. A good number 2
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79...I hope some read the article from the link above....
Take note....."We had David in before the Stallworth incident occurred, so that signing wasn't really triggered by that," Kokinis said."....
With the talk of Edwards being on the block and the Stallworth incident, having experience at WR could be at a premium for the Browns.
Also, Patten's WR coach during his Patriot days was Brian Daboll, who is now the Browns OC.
There could be some thought behind the signing of Patten that "some fans" failed to take into consideration.
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Also, Patten's WR coach during his Patriot days was Brian Daboll, who is now the Browns OC.
I'm sure that had a lot to do with the signing.
Doesn't change the fact that Patten will be 35 by the first game. In NFL years that makes him practically eligible for a walker..........
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Also, Patten's WR coach during his Patriot days was Brian Daboll, who is now the Browns OC.
I'm sure that had a lot to do with the signing.
Doesn't change the fact that Patten will be 35 by the first game. In NFL years that makes him practically eligible for a walker..........
Not sure why anyone would have problems with Patten. He is a WR4 or possibly a starting slot WR if we really needed it. He runs solid routes and won't make much $$$. And, he is an upgrade over Steptoe.
Of course, Holt would be a better sign, but he would cost a ton more too...and the fact that there are not even rumors of teams going hard after him make me think that he needs some time to let his price come down to earth.
Engram is just too injury prone at this point and I would be surprised if he got more than the minimum from a team that just wanted to take a flier on him.
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Engram signed with the Chiefs.
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Kinda funny. We swapped tackles. link
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Hey, best of luck to Shaffer. I thought he was a good guy, but I wasn't sure he was all that great of a player.
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Kinda funny. We swapped tackles.
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and no matter if St. Clair starts at RG or RT....we win that swap.
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Kinda funny. We swapped tackles.
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and no matter if St. Clair starts at RG or RT....we win that swap.
I'm not as certain as you,but I hope you are correct.
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Good for Schaffer, Ya know Kevin came here, & tried, played hard, never whinned about injury always suited up and never opened his moouth as others do, for that I thank him and wish him well, except against us.
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You know whats funny if you listen to a couple of the callers on the sirius NFL channel they think they got the better player out of that swap.
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Shaffer is the better player, and they got him for cheaper than what the Browns were paying him.
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Thanx fer the stroes, ref. It has been easier on the "consumer" end when all the cats get herded together IMO, and I appreciate it as well. You get the big Helmet Stripe No-Prize for the day! LOL. Thanks for the thankless job you do, and well. It just gets curiouser and curiouser, and I do not now how the refs keep up. 
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never opened his moouth as others do
Didn't he complain about moving from LT to RT in favor of Joe Thomas?
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O.k. wasn't to sure who was the better player I have never seen St. Clair play.
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Didn't he complain about moving from LT to RT in favor of Joe Thomas?
He might have at first, but I dont think it was anything like a TO or BE tantrume.it wasnt on going for months or national news...he had his feeling hurt, got it off his chest, moved on and dropped it, we all do that, to me thats not complaining. Just letting yourself be heard....ONCE
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O.k. wasn't to sure who was the better player I have never seen St. Clair play.
Here's my take on St. Clair....
He is not a LT. He can struggle mightily with speed rushers to the outside. What he is good at is drive blocking off the line and keeping a low center-of-gravity despite being 6'5", which is why I actually like him at RG, but if Tucker doesn't come back healthy, then he is probably our RT. And I still like him better there than Shaffer.
Now, if Chicago is using Shaffer at LT, then they will be slightly happier with him than St. Clair, but Shaffer never got a good push off the line or collapsed a DE, which made running to the right a useless operation (especially with Winslow at TE who also didn't get any push). So, it could very well end up that both teams are happy with this swap. But, I like our odds more than theirs.
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You know whats funny if you listen to a couple of the callers on the sirius NFL channel they think they got the better player out of that swap.
That's the folly of optimism: The guy we got is better than the one we dumped. The grass is always greener.........the backup QB is always the most popular.......optimism reigns supreme at the start of the season, even for teams like the Lions and Bengals.
So on and so forth. It's all BS until the season starts.........
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Who do you think came out on top? I don't know much about St. Claire, having very rarely watched the Bears.
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You know whats funny if you listen to a couple of the callers on the sirius NFL channel they think they got the better player out of that swap.
That's the folly of optimism: The guy we got is better than the one we dumped. The grass is always greener.........the backup QB is always the most popular.......optimism reigns supreme at the start of the season, even for teams like the Lions and Bengals.
So on and so forth. It's all BS until the season starts.........
In this case your talking about a straight TRASH for TRASH swap. I would agree that KS is probably a slightly better version of the TRASH, but TRASH nonetheless. We basically got a slightly worse version of KS for a whole lot less than we were paying KS.
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Chicago drafted a LT,Williams? I believe,was injuried last year.Shaeffer will play on the right.
Shaeffer didnot play up to his salary last year,that's why he's gone.St.Clair is alot cheaper.In the NFL and life,you get what you pay for.
The hopes of the right side are pinned on an old breaking-down Tucker.Having ignored drafting o-linemen for 10 years now,that is what will happen.
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Actually neither is that much better, they're different.
Shaffer in a pinch could play LT but nothing else.
St. Clair cannot play LT but he can play RT/RG..and a bit of center, plus he's a little bit better drive blocker.
KS may have him on pass protection which U know isn't saying anything .
They've mentioned that RG was the worst of the OL positions last year, so with Tucker, PorkChop, and St. Clair they now have their choice of combos at RT/RG.
And it's entirely probable that that's where they want St Clair to swing as a backup .
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Who do you think came out on top? I don't know much about St. Claire, having very rarely watched the Bears.
I know him well from his time in Miami, and his story is alot like Shaffer's.
Both guys were asked to become left tackles. Both failed. In terms of career-play, Shaffer has a more solid resume. In terms of what they did last year, St. Clair had the better year. Believe it or not, St.Clair is probably right on par with Shaffer at this point in the game. Neither guy is measurably better than the other.
So how will this play out? I think we picked up financial health for a slightly worse player. The difference is that St.Clair trends up while Shaffer trends down. St.Clair isn't as strong as Shaffer, but he plays with a little lower pad level. Playing upright was always Shaffer's biggest problem as he lost leverage.
In the long run, this is a wash. The Bears needed a RT after St.Clair declined their offer and signed with us, so the best available player was Shaffer. It happens often in the NFL.
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The hopes of the right side are pinned on an old breaking-down Tucker.Having ignored drafting o-linemen for 10 years now,that is what will happen.
At this point, I believe we HOPE Tucker can come back, but we're not pinning our hopes on him. That's where Porkchop comes into play. If Tucker can do it, great, it's a bonus, but if he can't, well, our right three players are Fraley, Porkchop, and St.Clair  That means we're taking someone in the draft
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Actually neither is that much better, they're different.
Shaffer in a pinch could play LT but nothing else.
St. Clair cannot play LT but he can play RT/RG..and a bit of center, plus he's a little bit better drive blocker.
KS may have him on pass protection which U know isn't saying anything .
They've mentioned that RG was the worst of the OL positions last year, so with Tucker, PorkChop, and St. Clair they now have their choice of combos at RT/RG.
And it's entirely probable that that's where they want St Clair to swing as a backup .
spot-on....though if Tucker is able to come back, I would give St. Clair the edge for RG over Porkchop at this stage of their careers.
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I can't imagine that the team is counting on RT to play RT.
I think he is finished as a RT but has some tread left at RG...and some fairly good tread at that.
I'll be shocked if he plays RT with Womack and St Clair here.
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i have no idea what Tucker has left at this point...if he doesn't have it for RT, then I stand by St. Clair having an edge over Porkchop for RT with Tucker at RG.
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