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I thought we were supposed to have a GM. - From the look and sound of it, it seems as if Mangini is telling the GM what to do and who to sign. No?
What's the evidence of that?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I thought we were supposed to have a GM. - From the look and sound of it, it seems as if Mangini is telling the GM what to do and who to sign. No?
Isn't that the way its supposed to work the GM goes out and gets who the coach wants, with in reason. Wouldn't be very smart for the GM to bring in guys the coach don't want.
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I thought we were supposed to have a GM. - From the look and sound of it, it seems as if Mangini is telling the GM what to do and who to sign. No?
Maybe, or it could be that the GM is giving the coach what he said he needed under whatever plan they have cooked up..
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I thought we were supposed to have a GM. - From the look and sound of it, it seems as if Mangini is telling the GM what to do and who to sign. No?
What's the evidence of that?
A majority of our new players are from the New York Jets which is the same team Mangini was head coach of before he became Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns.
Mangini is controlling the personell on this team as well as coaching the team.
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In the NFL, you can't be a leader if you can't play very well. Davis is a high-character guy, but didn't play well. Hadn't for a couple of years. He had plenty of leadership qualities, but it didn't look that way because he wasn't a solid player.
That's true Toad, but I'm more refering to how he seeme to be the quiet guy. It may not be true but my opinion stems back from a special a couple of years ago when a bunch of the LB's got together at (i think his house) and there was a camera crew there. He just didn't come off as leader. if fact the other LB's were ripping on him. He just kinda sat back and took it. You have to be an alpha male to lead in the NFL. I just don't think he ever had that.
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No, that's not evidence. That is perception. Specifically, yours.
No where has it been even hinted at that Kokonis has not agreed with these pickups and that Mangini is making all personnel decisions.
It's very possible that they had agreed the way to approach this year's FA is to get veteran depth, something we have lacked and something that has hindered us to no end. It's very possible that they both discussed these players and Kokonis bought off on it.
There were specific guidelines for what say Kokonis was to have. If the team was renegin on that already, we'd be hearing it.
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Mangini is controlling the personell on this team as well as coaching the team.
that's one way to look at it,, seems reasonable. Except that it could still be that Kokinis is getting mangini what he's asking for and maybe he's just asking for several of his former players..
I'm afraid that I don't see the problem with this. I mean, outside of a few, there really weren't that many really "must have' FAs out there. not without overpaying like crazy.., 100 mill, 40 some million guaranteed for Haynsworth,,., thats just nuts....
Besides, I'd rather they do some haggling and get us more picks in the draft and build a team that way.....
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I don't have a problem with it either. - As long as we win.
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i am not really impressed with the signing of Barton...look the guy is 31 years old...he probably doesn't even have anything left...in reality we would have been better off keeping McGinest...McGinest actually had a "good year" on his own....see the hit him and Jackson put on Cheeseburger(Was mostly Willie McGinest that did the damage)
McGinest may not be the pas rusher he was 3 years ago, but he is solid against the run and seals his corner very well.....
I just don't see the point in Signing Barton...we allready have a fine veteran ILB in Dqwell Jackson who is a much better player than Barton....
why not use that money on a decent WR and get another LB to start next to Jackson in the draft...we drafted Jackson in the 3nd rd and it seemed to work out ok....there are tons of good lb to be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds....i just don't see the point of spending money on a 31 year old LB that is a backup at best
Just my opinion
I would have been perfectly content if we had stayed quiet in FA this year, not signed anyone and built strictly though the draft...just infuse the team with young talent this year, cut the dead weight(Stallworth, etc) and move forward in FA next year
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Jackson was drafted near the top of the second round IIRC.
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Why are people getting so riled up about signing cheap veteran players? We only have 6 picks and we have a ton of holes....would people rather have all undrafted free agents? There was maybe only one or two players that were big name that we could have used, but why the hell would anyone want to play for the Browns unless we severly overpaid or they are from Cleveland????
Get friggin real people....
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This guy is better than McGinest at this point. He has played for Mangini and that is a plus.He will be able to help others transition to the new staff.
Many coaches bring in players from their previous teams. In fact the Jets are doing it too.
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If Barton was signed over McGinest, I'll take it. My guess is, that Willie doesn't want to sign. He isn't signed anywhere yet.
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So you're contending that Barton is solid at least?
Yes. Solid, if unspectacular. Davis was just plain bad, and that level of play was made worse as he was further exposed in the 3-4.
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Just clicking.
I really didn't get to see much of the Jets games last year. What are Barton's strengths/weaknesses?
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Without over-complicating things, he's a little faster, a little stronger against blockers, and has a little better instincts.
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does anybody have the contract numbers on Barton and Womack?
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i guess i don't see the big deal with signing Barton over McGinest. They play different positions. There is still room for McGinest, but i'm not so sure he has another year left in the tank. Somone said he still secures the edge, don't be so sure of that, it seemed like people ran around him. He has really slowed down. Of course, once he gets to the ball, he packs some lumber behind the hit.
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