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My position was,when it comes to morality issues especialy,that some type of reasonable conformity should be met within reason on such issues.
And I'm saying this is EXACTLY why states should have the right to make their own laws... I don't WANT the morality laws of my state conforming to those of some of our more liberal states, I'm really not even that interested in meeting them half way.... if they want to conform to mine, fine...
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See,in Ohio,which could be changed now,when I was growing up,there was the "three year rule". So if you were with someone within three years of your own age,it wasn't a problem when you're a minor. Once you're of age,it entered an "age of consent" arena.
It sounds as if you were familiar with the law.... this young man should have been as informed.
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Yes,the example was a huge degree of difference in bordering states at that time. But your point was that it is "totally up to each stste" without restriction.
Yes it is, provided it doesn't create a conflict with the consitution of the United States, which we all live under....
Pit, I have to admit, you are a hard man to figure out..... This is what I think I know about you.... and you tell me where I'm wrong.
You tend to distrust the federal government. You are a self-professed conservative when it comes to a smaller less intrusive government with less federal intervention into peoples lives, and you are generally for lower taxes and against federal waste.....
Yet, you are also in favor of having the feds dig their claws into health care, provide a wide array of social services, dictate minimum wages to business, regulate the salaries of the richest CEOs, govern the allowable profits of oil companies, and dictate which laws states have that may be out of balance with neighboring states.....
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It sounds as if you were familiar with the law.... this young man should have been as informed.
 Come on DC what 17 year old kid is going to ask to see ID before unzipping when the girl looks like she is his own age. For all we know she could have told him she was 17.
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Come on DC what 17 year old kid is going to ask to see ID before unzipping when the girl looks like she is his own age. For all we know she could have told him she was 17.
GM, I'm already on record as saying I think this kid is getting the shaft (no pun intended)... He should have his record expunged and he should be released today before dinner with the full apologies of the state... but this discussion has gone beyond that... I'm now trying to make my point to Pit, which is much more difficult than actually fighting the law... 
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I'm for our government on the federal level getting involved to the point that "human rights" (which I consider health care to every one of our "citizens" to be) are equally given to the people,and that fairness be doled out across our nation.
I'm for the government preventing big $$$ and business to use and abuse the workers of our company much like it was untill legislation was adopted in the 30's to correct that.
"In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy - that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. We must recapture that spirit today." Jim Webb
I'm for our government getting involved when a thing in one state is perfectly legal,while a kid in one state does 10 years for it.............Fair and equal treatment of our citizens and our human as well as constitutional rights be upheld.
It has been proven throughout history that a very small minority of people who control the vast majority of wealth will abuse that to the point of a sub culture of poor workers will be created if left unchecked.
So no,I don't "trust" our government,but there is a point at which they must act to insure our human rights,our constitutional rights and make our nation a fair and just nation for the betterment of all of its citizens.
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If we would ban video cameras, then things like this wouldn't happen.
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Whatever happened to "Common Sense " in America. Can't Judges go case by case. How about the 6 yr old kid that kissed a little girl on the playground and got kicked out of school. My friends and I used to sneak up on girls and spank them on the butt, then the girls would act like they were mad and chase us. I'm lucky I didn't end up in the pervert wing at the prison in Mansfield. Seems like somebody somewhere should say wait a minute thats stupid.
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I blame a lot of it on the Zero Tolerance crowd. That's when common sense left the country....
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Whatever happened to "Common Sense " in America. Can't Judges go case by case. How about the 6 yr old kid that kissed a little girl on the playground and got kicked out of school. My friends and I used to sneak up on girls and spank them on the butt, then the girls would act like they were mad and chase us. I'm lucky I didn't end up in the pervert wing at the prison in Mansfield. Seems like somebody somewhere should say wait a minute thats stupid.
If I'm not mistaken, the "mandatory sentencing laws" have taken away the ability of a judge to sentence someone to less. They can always go more, but if the law says "minimum of 10 years), and you get convicted, you get 10 years.
If I'm wrong on that, someone fill us in.
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and that fairness be doled out across our nation.
Well I guess that's pretty much wide open for interpretation then, isn't it?
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I'm for our government getting involved when a thing in one state is perfectly legal,while a kid in one state does 10 years for it.............
Which state should the feds agree with? And how much time should the feds spend tracking down archaic laws and comparing them to archaic laws of other states? So the legislature of the great state of Oklahoma, prior to passing any law, should see if it's in conformity with the laws of Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico?
Let me ask you a question about one of those laws of morality.... what about gay marriage? By your standards it will never happen. It will never happen because it is illegal in pretty much every state... so the minute one state makes it legal, it's automatically in conflict with all of their neighboring states, therefore, the feds must step in and tell that state they are not allowed to make it legal.... so as not to confuse people....
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but there is a point at which they must act to insure our human rights,our constitutional rights and make our nation a fair and just nation for the betterment of all of its citizens.
By stomping on states rights? So I guess we can rid of that whole "United STATES..." part then.... henceforth we will just be the Republic of America....
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Heck, Maryland is a coastal state and it's against the law to harm an oyster? 
It is?
Yeah, it was one of those "weird" laws on the books that was posted in the Adultry = Life in jail thread that was posted last week.
I lived in Maryland for a while back in the early 80's and I'm glad that I didn't eat oysters while I lived there cuz I'd probably still be in jail.
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I grew up in Maryland and have lived in or near there most of my life, I've eaten oysters quite a bit in Maryland... including, if I'm not mistaken, at the State Police Crab and Oyster Fund Raiser as recently as 2002.... They do have very strict rules about who is allowed to farm/catch them and how many and what not because there aren't nearly as many as there used to be and they are trying to preserve them.... It's a little known fact *in my best Cliff Claven voice* that back around 1880, they were taking about 12 MILLION bushels of oysters a year from Maryland waters... 12 million.... the last few years they had to cut it down to 2 or 3 million.... because there just aren't that many left..... *quickly switching to my best Paul Harvey voice* and now you know, the rest of the story...
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