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I like Steinbach too but what concerns me about him is that he has "Jeff Faine syndrome." He started the year weighing in the 290's and I believe he finished at 275. For a technician, there's little margin for error at that type of weight.
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Cutting and then signing one for the other,it's no big deal.
On this power run game-wishful thinking.Tucker,at one point in his career was a pretty good RG,who knows now.Womack?If there isn't a Dt on his nose,he ain't blocking nobody.St.Clair,he gets his hands on you you'll stay blocked.But with the speed of Pit's and Balt's D,well,it may get comical.
Our WR core will scare no one,so opposing teams are going to play alot 8 and 9 in the box,making the rn game tough sledding.
Miami made the playoffs with a bunch of stiffs and Pennington,maybe we can with a bunch of plodders and Quinn.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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Oh boy .. I really hope this is not a mistake .. I'm gonna try and talk football with U .. please do not make me regret it ..  Quote:
I see where you guys may be right about us running the ball more.
Never said we run it more .. just DIFFERENTLY when we do ... I believe we are going to switch from a more zone blocking scheme to a more power blocking scheme .. it is just a DIFFERENT STYLE ... it does not mean we will try and run more ... slight but HUGE difference with the play on words ..
do not confuse this ... I NEVER SAID MORE ... just DIFFERENT STYLE ... we may end up running more ... just by switching BLOCKING SCHEMES does not tell me that ...
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But these pickups still have me scratching my head for the most part.
U need to help me understand why ... so far we've let Shaff, McKinnie and Yound go and maybe even one more USELESS OLMAN from last year ...
we've gotten Tuck back (MAYBE .. *L*) .. we've also signed PC and St. Clair ... TWO BUMS ...
and if were switchin gto a power running game .. this is an IMPROVEMENT ... I grant u it is not that much .. but it is PROGRESS ...
so why the head scratching .... who was irt that we let go that u think has any value .... not one of the guys we let go is any good .. there just different variations of BAD ... unless U think Shaff was alot more than U ever proffesed ... amazingly enough he was one player we all pretty much agreed on .. no one really liked him .. the oinly arguments was over slight differences in HOW BAD HE WAS ...
so please explain to me the head scratchin part .. i do not get it .. have we improved ... MARGINALLY IF WE GO TO A POWER RUNNING GAME ... but u would have a hard time convincing me we got worse ...
so why the head scratchin ..
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A running type offense is fine. But let's be serious, other than the year the Ravens won with a much younger JL and a stud-laden defense when was the last time a run first offense won the Super Bowl? The NFL is a pass first league now. Like it or not.
All ready hit on that above ... were switching styles ... does not mean we will run more ...
and your right .. the old days of the NFL are gone ... no more pure power run teams will win .. the old 3 yards and a cloud of dust .. defensive strugle/field position types of games are gone .. they were BORING and that does not get the entertainment buck any longer .. so the NFL changed the rules to favor the exciting passing game ..
for a team to win they must be able to move the ball through the air in todays game ... so even IF we do not to run it more .. we will still not IGNORE PASSING it ... and its not like we downgraded in pass blocking much if at all ..
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The guys we've signed on offense are mostly filler that are not appreciably better than the guys we lost.
I would agree .. but there also not appreciably better than what we signed .. its pretty much a wash except for the new guys are a better ift for a power blocking scheme ..
so whats the problem?? ....
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We may be in the midst of ANOTHER rebuild but it's looking more like a cut-rate remodel from where I sit. I hope I'm wrong.
Were not re-building .. thats MYTH perpetuated by Toad ... I'm going to start a thread on that tommorow .. so hold tight till then and we can discuss it there ... well that is if U donlt make me regret talking football with U on this thread .. *LOL* ..
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I also question the idea that we wouldn't want to upgrade the QB position.
why would we want to ... should BQ not be given a shot before we discard him?? ..
Oh God .. after that question I feel regret coming all ready .. *L* ..
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I did not say we would be GOOD AT IT .. I said its the move were making .. big difference .. *L* ..
were bringing in BUMS ... but seeing as how we let bums go .. I SEE THIS AS NO BIG DEAL ...
mountain/mole hill would be a good analogy here ..
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Go figure...ya mean these guys actually have the ability to improve. lol  note this is backing your theory not insulting you 
Shaffer I believe showed a weight of 315...but he played like he was 290something and not a Butt mover in the running game and I saw him way too often Turning around sucking on his mouthpiece while he picked up our QB off the ground cause he totally missed his man.
So how did St.Clair do with the BEARS not the RAMs but the Bears. Who did make a pretty good living Running the ball last year.
Tucker: He getting the Vet Minimum...I don't think we have one iota of Counting on him for our OL. M/K is going into this with Womack n St. Clair on the Right side. Tucker will come as gravy or a luxery - but I got a feeling he ain't being considered as a Starter because of his injury history.
What I would like to know is are we going to stick with the Zone Blocking Scheme or are we going to a In-Line blocking scheme. If In-Line I can see Fraley gone and Hadnot as our starter and I wouldn't be too surprised if we didn't move ESteinbach soon. So much depends on our scheme. But we just got very strong on the Right Side. The theme here is Mangini wants to punch some teams in the MOUTH
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Mangini ain't the only one.
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What I would like to know is are we going to stick with the Zone Blocking Scheme or are we going to a In-Line blocking scheme. If In-Line I can see Fraley gone and Hadnot as our starter and I wouldn't be too surprised if we didn't move ESteinbach soon. So much depends on our scheme. But we just got very strong on the Right Side. The theme here is Mangini wants to punch some teams in the MOUTH
JMHO
If I'm a betting man, I think we'll see the punch you in the mouth In-Line blocking scheme and ditch the Zone stuff.
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After this line "punches" who throws the uppercut (i.e. who is the RB ?)
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Just remember you can Punch somebody in the mouth with the Zone blocking scheme too
I'm thinking of lateral movement and although I don't know Womack nor St. Clair for some reason I don't get the impression they are known for their lateral movement.
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Good coaches play up to their players strength....if we get rid of Steinbach because of scheme  as I already said: Mangini seems to be all about marking his territory...it´s good to have a plan, but it´s plain dumb to force it, if you haven´t the resources....most here agree that a total rebuild WAS NOT necessary...well, it looks like Mankoks 2 month assessments differs...and I don´t wanna know how much of that is Ego- 1st time GM or 1st time HC with authority...my bet is A LOT As of now it´s a good bet that we continue the history of shitfests of narcistic egos...way to go, preaching team and walking as Napoleon won´t get you many followers Mr.Wiggum
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Good coaches play up to their players strength....if we get rid of Steinbach because of scheme
We won't get rid of Steinbach, that is silly talk. He is our best OL right now (from everything I have read, he is the one who reads the defense and calls out blocking adjustments...so I'll give him it over JT for now).
Now, the question is what position will Steiny play at next year. If we need more of a bruiser at LG, then maybe he can be that guy...or maybe he solves our issue at center.
Either way, Steinbach will be starting for the Browns next year.
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Not right away type of thing...when I stated in "soon" I meant not seeing the length of the contract. This is where building from the draft comes in.
And I always stated that Whoever we did get via FA we were going to or Should look to replace them from the draft in the near future.
Now in a Zone Blocking Scheme I can see ES staying through his contract...but if we go In Line. Maybe we take an OG on the first day somewhere in our future and eventually replace ES???
Not a Shaffer type of good bye - I really doubt Mangini would do that. Just thinking out loud as in Soon meaning he won't see the length of his contract.
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That's part of what I mean by rebuild,.... 
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Yeah, a mauler-G on the 1st day to relace a PB claiber under 30 on our roster...as if we haven´t enough holes anywhere else....that´s what I´m alluding to...there´s NO NEED to do stuff like this...not this, not next offseason and for as long as his contract goes...why open up another need? It´s just pissing-match dumb...and you know who gets the short end in this? The Cleveland Browns
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If we are talking In line blocking...it is possible in our future...but we are talking about #4 on our list for upgrading...lol don't get so upset.
Actually I'm afraid of ES' back. I know you all didn't think he had one...but Paul Z's career ended with a disc problem. It a tough one for OL.
JMHO...and again I was thinking out loud just don't be too surprised if it happens and I seriously doubt we are talking this year.
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I just have my doubts that we can win as a running team as currently constituted.
I have my doubts that we can win at all as currently constituted... 
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If we are talking In line blocking...it is possible in our future...but we are talking about #4 on our list for upgrading...lol don't get so upset.
I wonder if the coaches really like how the left side can get to the 2nd level and just want a way to plow though the LOS on the right. Shaff wasn't exactly the power guy.Tuck was the mauler on the right side that really helped the run game.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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