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NRTU Eo, but to anyone in general: Everything I am hearing on the radio is saying the Quinn is a major possibility in SOME TYPE of trade scenerio. Lets say that is really the case and we do end up trading Quinn to Denver in some sort of 3 team trade with us garnering some extra early picks and maybe (probably) a player or two. Do we then look at Stafford IF he falls to the 5 spot? Just throwing that out there as I beleive there is a chance something like that could happen.   I am now ducking and running for cover. 
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My idea:
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Corey Williams
Brady Quinn
6th round pick next year
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Jay Cutler
Then draft time we could draft either Raji or Crabtree
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Should we get rid of Quinn and don't end up with Cutler (but draft picks, other players), I believe DA would be our starter this year and we wouldn't draft a QB. DA does well, he's our starter for the future. He struggles, we get a QB in next year's draft (every draft has good QBs).
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I don't think that happens Loki, mainly because I honestly feel that Mangini and Kok beleive that any trade scenerio involving Quin (or Anderson) has US gaining more draft picks.
I really feel that unless we are knocked over in a trade, that we go into camp with BOTH QB's, and let them battle it out, with Quinn having a slight edge as they head in. Also, if we do trade one of them, the other becomes our guy by default. I just don't see us giving up Quinn in that case, and I don't think we have any interest in Cutler, he just reminds me of a better version of Anderson. Just a better athlete and a little better touch on the ball.
As for Williams, I think that people are forgetting that he basically played with ONE ARM last yr. Plus Mangini seems to love guys like Williams, guys who play there hearts out, hurt or not, and know there roles. You must also remember that last yr. was Williams 1st yr. as a 3-4 DE, and he did not play that bad.
IMHO is think Williams improves leaps and bounds this yr. as long as he stays healthy.
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Well I just proposed something I think both sides could agree to, ideally *if there was a trade the best thing for the Browns would be Quinn for Cutler Straight up.
However, I think it is less than 30% chance we trade Quinn at all. I think our biggest move will be trading Edwards to bad the raiders wouldn't take him for their first round pick.
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I would take the risk of a straight up trade, Quinn for Cutler. Cutler is a known commodity on the field. Some of what that has come out doesn't make him sound nearly as bad as you portrayed. Issues with the QB coach had to do with a broken promise according to him. The thing is...No way in hell we could get a straight up trade. I'm not willing to throw away additional high picks for yet another QB. I'm willing to take a chance with the two we have. A three way deal does make more sense. We could easily upgrade ourselves with the extra picks. The downside is we will have to either go with DA or draft another QB to compete with him. We have no idea where Mangini stands with Quinn or DA. We have heard rumblings about how Quinn looks in practice. None of what has come out of the mouths of players (Cribbs as an example) instills a lot of confidence in me. I am of the smart opinion (see how I don't have to name call to get my point across that people who don't agree are stupid. Oh wait, maybe I just did.  ) that we have not seen enough of Quinn in games to make an informed opinion as fans, since we aren't privy to all the info on him. He was not nearly as bad as the stats state. He only played badly in the game where he was replaced by DA, and that may have something to do with his injury (Although his decision making wasn't very good in that game). I'm (as usual) going to wait and see how it all plays out before I get upset about how it all plays out.
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see what I mean .. are these watching the same player .. *L* .... BQ fell victim to OVER ANALAZATION .. people just picked everything he did apart .
After I posed the question to you this mornin', I did some 'net searching and found a bunch of scouting reports, almost all of them high in praise of his arm and accuracy... ALL praised his brains and guts.
Not for the first time, I thought: "WHy did Romeo wait so long to play him?"
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I would take the risk of a straight up trade, Quinn for Cutler. Cutler is a known commodity on the field. Some of what that has come out doesn't make him sound nearly as bad as you portrayed. Issues with the QB coach had to do with a broken promise according to him.
The thing is...No way in hell we could get a straight up trade. I'm not willing to throw away additional high picks for yet another QB. I'm willing to take a chance with the two we have.
So you would rather keep our draft picks (unknown commodity) and our QB's (unknown commodity) over Cutler (known commodity at most important position in game.)
Doesn't make sense to me. If a Pro Bowl, Franchise QB, who is only 26 years old is available you do whatever it takes to get that QB, unless you have one of on your roster.
Now let's take a look at our roster....no Pro Bowl, Franchise QB's there. But they are young and may be good. Well Cutler is also young and is good. And we know it. It's not like he might be good. He IS good.
I will say it again. If you have the chance to get a Pro Bowl, Franchise QB, that is only 26 years old you have to do it.
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I think we won't get Cutler cause the price will be too great. If I were the Vikings I would sell the farm to get him. If they did I think they become Super Bowl favorites overnight.
Now we may end up shipping DA out, but I highly doubt Quinn will be moved.
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No.
I don't want Cutler. He's acted like a baby through the entire process with the Broncos. I'd rather go with BQ and hang on to the picks. Either way, I'm getting real tired of the QB drama in Cleveland.
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The price can't be too great. He is a proven franchise QB. If you don't have one, you need to get one.
We don't have one, we need to get one. It's not worth it to wait and see if Quinn or Anderson pan out if the answer to all our Quarterbacking problems is sitting right on our doorstep.
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I think we won't get Cutler cause the price will be too great.
The price can't be too great. He is a proven franchise QB. If you don't have one, you need to get one.
We don't have one, we need to get one. It's not worth it to wait and see if Quinn or Anderson pan out if the answer to all our Quarterbacking problems is sitting right on our doorstep.
Yeah that Herschel Walker deal sure worked out didn't it? Mangini/Coke are like the anti-savages in the draft. They are going to horde draft picks and I doubt we will be trading to many away.
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Cutler is worth at least 2 1sts and Quinn is worth a late 1st MAX and DA a 2nd MAX
I say Brady and swap 1st rounder for Cutler. Detroit has 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds, and are chompin' at the bit. Let 'em keep their 1st and take the rest, Plus get their 1st next year! Don't kid yourself folks, Cutler ain't gonna get 'em to the Superbowl, so we will be guarateed a good 1st rounder next year!  JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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Should we get rid of Quinn and don't end up with Cutler (but draft picks, other players), I believe DA would be our starter this year and we wouldn't draft a QB. DA does well, he's our starter for the future. He struggles, we get a QB in next year's draft (every draft has good QBs).
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U seriously want DA back here knowing he'll struggle all year???
I want no part of him being a starter or holding the bench for someone else to take over..if anyone needs to be dealt it's him.
If BQ is dealt we better and I mean better get two/three serious high picks in return and a vet QB..I'm not feeling Stafford and I think Sanchez is very similar to Quinn..
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I can see one major difference between Herschel Walker and Jay Cutler.
Walker is black....April Fool's.
No, but Walker is a running back (can be found pretty much anywhere.) Cutler is a quarterback (hard to find, and if found should be coveted.)
Also, I think we can both agree that it won't take five players and six draft picks to acquire Cutler. I was thinking more Cutler and the Broncos first rounder for Quinn, our 1st round pick, our 2nd round pick, and a later pick.
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Hey, I'm not advocating DA being our starter. Personally, I don't think he has it. But, I am firmly entrenched in the "I just want to win" camp.
That being said, if we could get some serious pickage for Quinn which we could use to really upgrade some need spots, I'd be all for it, just like I am all for it for anyone on this team.
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Personally , I feel that any deal in which we give up a QB should involve us acquiring Cutler....Any 3 way trade scenario in which someone gets Cutler and someone gets Quinn , Anderson or both and we end up with draft picks is the wrong move JMHO....IF we were to acquire Cutler , I than move to trade our remaining QB and look to add a veteran QB as a Backup....So our acquiring Cutler should signal a clean break from the past and the beginning of the Mangini Era in Cleveland....I don't believe that having extra Draft picks and still not having a proven QB helps us compared to our acquiring Cutler or us just staying with what we have in Quinn & Anderson  .....
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Trade BQ..then what?
Draft another QB?
Who?
If you do you risk having to play him early...DA will fop..thats why I say vet ..
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Why should DEN do a trade like that? Guys, get a grip...Cutler will demand 2 high draft picks ON TOP of Quinn...a swap of #5 and #12 in order to swap an unproven QB with a young PB QB....yeah right, lol http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFLJay Cutler-QB- Broncos Apr. 1 - 12:56 pm et One "high-profile" player agent told the Denver Post that he could see the Broncos demanding two first-round picks and a second-rounder for Jay Cutler. "I could see a first and a second this year, and a first next year," he said. "If you're looking at some unknown kid in the draft, you'd much rather have Cutler. You're talking about a quarterback who's athletic and talented."
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Just talking here, but in regards to possibly taking Sanchez, the history of the draft shows that QB's who come into the league with minimal experience fail MUCH more than those who have a track-record to draw evaluations from. While that doesn't take his individual skills into account, it's a serious risk to take Sanchez at 5 when he spent most of his college career playing with a partial NFL roster while the teams he faced didn't.
Regarding trading Quinn, it'd have to be the equivelent of AT LEAST two starting caliber players, whether that's a player and a pick, two players, or two picks isn't as important as that's the value I'd have to get back in order to move him.
Regarding Cutler, this is why I didn't want any part of a 32-year old head coach No matter what they do, they are going to be forced to take a step backwards this year at the QB position, and probably for at least two years. Cutler plays a big role in this fiasco, but McDaniels just wasn't experienced enough to handle this situation. He's been blessed to work with an easy-going Tom Brady and a nobody in Cassel. He'd never dealth with a primmadonna, and it bit him in the ass.
A Cutler for Quinn straight trade won't happen. We'd have to give up a VERY high pick to make that deal. Swapping positions in the 1st round wouldn't do the trick. This would have to be a three-way deal. I won't even bother attempting scenarios as there are just too damned many possibilities, but the safest bet are that the Jets get involved.
Lastly, I've no problem giving Anderson another shot. Too many people want to look at how he finished his FIRST YEAR as the full-time starter as proof he doesn't have it. Quinn had the same problem last year on a bad team that Anderson had. There's plenty of room for both players to grow, so if having Anderson as our starter again equates to an upgrade at two or even three other positions, pull the trigger and be done with it. I've no problem with my original hope of Quinn and Anderson fighting it out in camp. We can't judge Quinn based on his single game against the lowly Donks, just as we can't judge him on his bad performance afterwards. I don't think he's a bum as a few do, nor do I feel that he has "SUPERSTAR!" written all over him as a few do. He has questions and upside, just as Anderson does. Quinn's ceiling is probably a little higher because of his mobility, but he's far from a sure-fire prospect.
DIAM: Just because McDaniels wants Quinn doesn't mean much. Afterall, McDaniels actually wanted Cassel  Quinn represents a fall-back plan, as what else is out there? Two rookie QB's in the draft that have question marks like Quinn? Only Sanchez stands a chance of being around at 12, and it's entirely possible that some team will trade up to get him before then. Quinn, for good or ill, is ready to start. He's sat on the bench and learned. And since we're seeing enough smoke to know there's a fire, Quinn is apparently available. Any other young signal-callers available who have some promse? Nope, not one.
How this plays out is anyone's guess, but I think with three pieces in Anderson, Edwards, and Quinn, combined with TWO 2nd round picks and the 5th pick in the draft, we're far more likely to be a mover-and-shaker than a spectator.
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Denver has almost no trade leverage here.
I can see the Redskins throwing a first in their direction.
One scenario I can see is Quinn to the Broncos, Cutler to the Redskins and Jason Campbell and a 1st round pick to us.
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No trade leverage? ROFL They have all the leverage in the world, namely a young pretty good QB...umm over half the league lacks? Yeah right, they have no leverage...can some of actually think for a minte before you type stuff like that? 
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So the Donks lose Cutler and replace him with Quinn, straight up.
Meanwhile, we get a QB who's done more than Quinn, AND a 1st round pick?
NEVER
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The Donks have HUGE trade leverage here. They have a HOT comodity. QB's with Cutler's numbers and physical atributes just don't come available at this point in their careers.
Try again
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1) I agree that the Broncos have leverage. I, however, think they *hurt* their leverage by announcing they will move forward with trading him. How much it *hurt* remains to be seen.
2) Does anyone think it's kind of funny that Cutler is now demanding to be traded because he is upset that the coach wanted to trade him?
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So the Donks lose Cutler and replace him with Quinn, straight up.
Meanwhile, we get a QB who's done more than Quinn, AND a 1st round pick?
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The Donks have HUGE trade leverage here. They have a HOT comodity. QB's with Cutler's numbers and physical atributes just don't come available at this point in their careers.
Try again
Ok I didn't think that all the way through.
But I do think the fact that the Broncos are basically trying to dump Cutler says that his trade value is slightly diminished.
Somehow we come out of this with a good deal, though. No way we get fleeced if we get involved.
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IMHO it doesn't hurt the Donks at all. Why? Because they own the rights to such a prized QB that announcing it doesn't do anything negative to them.
For all intensive purposes, this is like an auction for a prized painting: Bidding is now open, bring your best deal before the draft gets here or you're out.
This is an unusual case where hoping to keep Cutler actually created LESS trade value because teams weren't sure the Donks wanted to let him go. As a result, they didn't do all the legwork to see if a deal could be made.
Things are now different.
there are so many teams that need a QB that they MUST consider this possibility because the Donks have resigned themselves to moving him.
If there wasn't much demand for Cutler, this would hurt the Donks leverage, but Cutler is a one-in-a-decade QB. Let the bidding begin.
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Just clicking here..
Some food for thought..
1. We don't know if Cutler was right or wrong with his anger at McDaniels and the Broncos.. But the way he's handled it has been less than honorable in my eyes..
2. We should never forget that Cutler is probably everything everyone says he is in terms of arm strength and guts and leadership. But he's also a guy that has a serious health issue. Diabetes is what he has. Before anyone beats on me, I know, he's medicated for it. Yes, I'm aware that it is mostly under control with almost no side effects.
But I want to point out that while he's not had this happen more than once in his career that has been reported, he did, last year during training camp have an episode that caused him to be taken off the field and he couldn't practice for a few days.. This episode was directly related to his diabetes.
So, while I'm pretty sure it won't be a problem, by getting him here, you are taking that risk that he may not be able to play, and I guarantee you, the day he can't, will end up being a crucial game.. Gauranteed....
Now, if folks can reconcile themselves to those facts and still want Cutler here,, that's fine. Personnaly, I'll pass...
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Yeah, I see your point, Toad. I hadn't thought of it in the "auction" sense.
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Thay have leverage if they're willing to deal him for picks. In that case, there are a dozen teams who are interested.
At one time they said they were not interested in picks but in obtaining a QB already in the league. If they're sticking to that, they narrowed the field of trade partners considerably and they lose leverage.
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1. We don't know if Cutler was right or wrong with his anger at McDaniels and the Broncos..
Yes, D, we do.
Cutler blew up when his OC was fired. He's an employee, not a minority partner in the team or a coach. The team had the right to fire anyone on the staff they wanted, and Cutler or any other player on the team DOESN'T have the right to freak out like he did.
So yes, we know that Cutler acted like an ass. It wasn't the first time, and you can be sure now that he's actually gotten his way and forced his way out of town, he's going to feel invincible and will be a headache at some point in the future.
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Arm strength is off the charts. Guts are probably pretty good. Leadership? Hardly
His health, believe it or not, isn't an issue. The NFL has some of the best docs on staff in the world, and does have the best docs on speed-dial. His Wilford Brimly isn't an issue.
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Personally, I'm more worried about his cry-baby attitude than his diabetes. Then again, I'm not worried about his diabetes at all.
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From what I understand he was told that he wouldn't be fired. He felt that he was lied to. That is the issue that was most to blame for his response.
If these are indeed the facts that makes a difference in my mind about him and McDaniels.
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Yes, D, we do.
Yes, we do know that that's the reason he blew up at first, we also know or have heard that he didn't like that the Broncos were talking about a trade for Cassel.
So maybe it's the coach thing, maybe it's the cassel thing, or maybe it's both,, or maybe, and we'll never know this, McDaniels said something to him that he just either took wrong or didn't like.,
Either way, what I feel confident about is that he didn't handle it professionally. Hell, Kosar gets cut by Belichick and he handled that better than Cutler handled this situation. And that's what I'm referring to.. He has been unprofessional and it doesn't matter whos fault it is or why it took place..
As for Diabetis.. Like I said, I was pretty sure it wouldn't be a problem, but you just never know.. Why would you put your team in that situation if you didn't have to.. JMO however.
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I should say I mistyped. It wasn't his OC, it was his QB's coach.
Yes, Cutler was told the offensive staff would remain the same. I hardly think that a change in direction or decision validates his actions of then demanding a trade.
Again, both sides are at fault here, but that doesn't give Cutler an excuse.
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Lastly, I've no problem giving Anderson another shot. Too many people want to look at how he finished his FIRST YEAR as the full-time starter as proof he doesn't have it.
Apparently you overlooked how he played last year which I didn't..and from the second half of 2007 season through this past season he regressed..he showed minimal improvement and that was due to the coaching staff scaling back the offense..he;s shown no consistancy doing anything..so sure lets say Quinn is shipped out...the Browns have to get a vet QB who will take over for DA..he isn't going to manage any offense for 16 games ..
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And as I noted which you ignored, Quinn gets the same pass from last year's pathetic team.
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Will Cleveland Browns part with Brady Quinn in a three-way deal involving Jay Cutler?
by Mary Kay Cabot/Plain Dealer Reporter
Wednesday April 01, 2009, 1:40 PM
Associated Press
Would the Browns be willing to part with quarterback Brady Quinn?
CLEVELAND — Speculation is rampant that the Browns will be involved in three-way trade talks for disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler.
The Broncos announced Tuesday that they will trade their 2006 first-round pick after new head coach Josh McDaniels and Cutler failed to resolve their differences.
A message left for Browns general manager George Kokinis was not immediately returned.
ESPN's John Clayton speculated today that the Browns could become part of a three-way trade that would send Brady Quinn to Denver and involve the Detroit Lions, who have the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.
"I'd have to think things start to broker through Cleveland, possibly involving the Detroit Lions,'' Clayton said.
He also said, "I think somehow, some way, Brady Quinn is going to be brought fully into this equation ... There's a decent chance Brady Quinn in a three-way deal is going to end up in the Broncos organization.''
The Broncos are believed to be seeking a starting quarterback and first-round picks in 2009 and 2010. The Browns have the No. 5 overall pick in the draft, April 25-26.
The Broncos are also hoping to trade Cutler to an NFC team, sources told the Denver Post.
Word out of Denver is that the Browns were one of the teams that expressed initial interest in Cutler when he first became upset that McDaniels tried to trade for Matt Cassel, who wound up in Kansas City.
The Browns could also trade Derek Anderson, but McDaniels might be more interested in Quinn because of their mutual association with Charlie Weiss, who was McDaniels' offensive coordinator in New England and Quinn's coach at Notre Dame. Weiss has repeatedly said Quinn will someday be the caliber of a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
Any team interested in Quinn would have to consider his contract situation. If he plays 70% of the snaps in 2009, he will reach $11 million in escalators, which the new team would either have to pay or renegotiate. Cutler, who's set to make $1.035 million in 2009, might also seek a new deal. He's due to receive a $4 million roster bonus in 2010 and $12 million in 2011.
The Denver Post reported Wednesday morning that the Washington Redskins are among the leading candidates to trade for Cutler. They have a good young quarterback to offer in Jason Campbell and the No. 13 pick in the draft, one behind the Broncos.
The paper said the Jets have also been aggressive in their pursuit of Cutler. It been reported that besides the Browns, four other teams initially expressed interest: Tampa Bay, Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit.
In the event the Browns landed Cutler in a two-way trade involving Quinn, Anderson would most likely ask to be traded.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Free pass from whom?
I know all too well you want to either trade Quinn or bring both back..and in regards to Quinn being a unknown it's valid..but I've seen enough of DA to know he's not going to be a quality starter..I said two years ago when he battled Frye..and I don't see anything to refute it.
As far as any articles go no one knows how it's going to unfold..but my stance is you saying you have no problem giving DA another shot..I'd like to give him a shot..a cannon shot into another teams training camp...
Theres a huge problem with him starting here..
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I'm for trading Anderson as well, but I've always been firmly convinced Quinn is the guy that has the most trade value, so I've stayed that route.
Turns out that looks to be correct
We lost any hope of getting anything good for Anderson when the Vikings got Rosenfels and the Chiefs went after Cassel. Now, the guy that has trade value is Quinn, so I"m for trading him as the guy to get something back.
If no trade was to be had, I want both QB's to compete for the gig. Handing it to one or the other at this point makes no sense.
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Theres a huge problem with him starting here..
You mean YOU have a huge problem with him starting here
By the way, Attack, the sentence you ignored when quoting me on your last post........It was the very next sentence Don't tell me you didn't read it 
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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Quinn had the same problem last year on a bad team that Anderson had. There's plenty of room for both players to grow, so if having Anderson as our starter again equates to an upgrade at two or even three other positions, pull the trigger and be done with it. I've no problem with my original hope of Quinn and Anderson fighting it out in camp. We can't judge Quinn based on his single game against the lowly Donks, just as we can't judge him on his bad performance afterwards
I didn't ignore that at all..I don't agree he had the same problems because he showed he can throw short....but he showed some of the same question marks I've had with him @ND....and while I've commented the least about him...I saw him a lot here when he was in high school and then in college..
I don't agree there's room for both to grow...at least not to the same heights..I think Brady's ceiling is higher..I have seen DA's act since college and he's basically the same erratic flame thrower he was in school..and to be honest, yeah I have a problem with him starting because I've seen that tired act before..he can't overcome his weaknesses..he never adjusted to what he needed to do.
For me..I'm tired of the QB games..been tired of not having a true QB since this team totally screwed things up when they drafted Couch..and allllll the way to this day..it's time to hammer that out now.
All I want is for them to get it right..
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