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Bingo, he is hated on for the most part from his college ties.
Gotta disagree here, BE is disliked for his whiny attitude & multiple dropped passes, BE just has a knack of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time infront of a reporter, I dont know if it's just plain inmaturity or errogence.
BE isnt gonna resign, he's made it clear, time to trade.
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Edwards situation has become fragile since the Miami deal with Stalls...We gotta be careful now...An inconsistent WR is replaceable...Much like TO is replaceable and always has been...
We've talked about Crabtree at 5 Toad...If this goes down it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE Crab's at 5...But it would definitely be UNDERSTANDABLE as to why they took Crab's...Hell...I'd understand if they took Crab's at 5 and DID NOT trade Edwards...He's gotta be 1-2-3 on virtually EVERY teams board...
I've always said this and will till KC makes their pick at 3...AARON CURRY WILL BE THERE AT 5...Unless Seattle snags him at 4...For a 4-3 D...U DON'T BUILD A 3-4 DEFENSE AROUND AN INSIDE LB...I've got BJ Raji inked for KC at 3...A NOSE IS WHAT U BUILD IT AROUND...
First things first..for this team to advance and be potent..get rid of the deadweight...first they need to secure more picks..we know that..I say trade the guy..as far as Stallworthless goes..even if he's not convicted, U think his mind is going to be wrapped straight after this??
No..he will also be unstable so I see a need for another WR..
Approach this as if neither guy is going to here.. Mangini needs to have a solid plan about who wants Edwards and what they want to give up well before the draft..if he can't get a handle on it he still must let it play out day of the draft....but he better be ready to pull the trigger on it at any time.
I think there's a huge risk if BE isn't traded..they would almost have to franchise him next offseason so he can't walk without comp..he isn't returning here on his own accord.
I agree with your selctions of Hicks/Britts .
Second thing..U don't build a D around a ILB???? But you realize if he's a BPA on the board and at the top of the list U take him..
Raji might be a fit in KC because they don't have a true NT..the Browns do.
This team lacks true hard-nosed LB's..right now Curry is not a desperate need because of Barton..but even Barton is a one/two year rental.
There are several ways Mangini/Kokinis can play this if they have to stay @ 5..I would hope they can trade down several spots or do one big drop..that way all the holes can be addressed..
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Frankly, the "You hate Braylon because he's from Michigan" BS is just tiring. People don't like him because he has a ton of talent that he cannot or will not use.
If you honestly believe that people would not embrace him with open arms if he started to catch passes instead of drop them then you're kidding yourself. Plus, you obviously don't know human nature.
Really, after waiting since ' 64 for another championship I don't care if he went to Adolph Hitler Community College. Catch passes and get me to the playoffs.
The only time I think about a player's college is on Draft Day. After that he's either a Brown or he isn't. Pretty simple and pretty common, IMO.
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I agree with that 100%, I'm sick of that excuse for why Braylon is criticized. It's complete B.S. and a handy excuse for his homers and him.
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I just don't understand signing old players like Patten.
I happen to live on the other end of Oklahoma. But I was raised in Cleveland Hts. and graduated from Shaker Hts.Go Browns.
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And you CANNOT prove that they DONT hate him because he is from Michigan!
I don't have to. I'm not the one saying people hate him because he is from Michigan, the burden of proof is on you, not me.
And who cares if he is the best WR on the team. David Patton is the second best WR on this team, that doesn't make him good.
He's an under achieving WR that has had one amazing season. However, until proven otherwise, I'm going to take 2007 as the anomaly out of his entire under producing career.
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Besides, as it stands now, he'll be a restricted free agent, not a true one. We'd still control his rights.
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Pluto says with the pending 2010 uncapped year coming up...It's hard to say if he's a RFA or UFA...
As of now a Player with 5 Accrued Seasons is an UFA...That's Edwards...
Which is why I said "As it stands now" because if they negotiate a different CBA, it could change things.
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Frankly, the "You hate Braylon because he's from Michigan" BS is just tiring. People don't like him because he has a ton of talent that he cannot or will not use.
Agreed.
Time to lay this all out for everyone to see, so that this BS crap about the entire state of Ohio hating Edwards causing his problems can be burried like the steaming pile of crap that it is.
Here's a quote from Edwards: Quote:
He wasn't always this optimistic. In fact, he admitted to Rome that before last season he wanted out of Cleveland as soon as his contract expired in 2009.
"I hated Cleveland," he said. "I didn't want to be here. I was happy to be drafted, but then I looked at the bigger picture and said 'wow, not Cleveland.' And then playing here was hard. The fans were tough and we were terrible.
So before ONE SINGLE FAN ever boo'ed Edwards, he didn't want to be in Cleveland.
That's a FACT.
What's ALSO a fact is that no matter what city you play in, YES, there WILL be some fans that hate you because of where you went to college.
The problem with that flawed logic is that it's nothing more than a convenient excuse for a thin-skinned, ego-maniacal player with a HUGE desire to be loved and respected FIRST to fail. When he produces and shuts his mouth, the fans love him. When he drops the ball and stops giving effort, he's hated, as he should be.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Edwards didn't come to CBS and spike the ball in the middle of our stadium as a visiting player, such as what TO did in Dallas. Yet when he went to Dallas, he was embraced because he produced. When he stopped producing, fans hated him because his act was old.
Edwards' situation mirrors TO's, except that Edwards didn't want to be here in the first place.
So fast forward to the here and now. The FACE OF THE FRANCHISE has been exposed as a whining, celf-centered quitter who leads the league in drops over the last two seasons.
And we still have to sit here and debate why the fans are tired of him 
He doesn't want to be here. He NEVER wanted to be here. He's gone so far as to say he refuses to do charity work in the city that pays his salary  And yet we're all supposed to believe that he's going to suddenly grow up, that he's suddenly going to grow a pair and ignore the drunken idiots that boo him, that he's going to suck it up when he drops a pass or isn't involved in the game plan early enough and produce.
Wishful thinking. Nothing more. There's no excuse.......NO EXCUSE.........by saying he's hated by the fans because he's from Michigan, just as there's no excuse to say he's absolved because he didn't want to be here in the first place. The BOTTOM LINE is that he has/had a job to do, and he's failed to do it. End of story.
Now that the pile of crap is burried, time to move on.......
Someone said we can just apply the franchise tag to Edwards next year. Only problem is that such an assumption is based on him producing this year. What's so different this year from last year? Same two QB's, one less receiver, and a new regime that doesn't put him on the pedestal that Savage put him on. Hell, they even tried to trade him, and presumably are trying now.
But nah, Edwards is going to be a pro. He's going to grow up, turn the other cheek, and put all this behind him.
Don't hold your breath.
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Someone said we can just apply the franchise tag to Edwards next year. Only problem is that such an assumption is based on him producing this year. What's so different this year from last year? Same two QB's, one less receiver, and a new regime that doesn't put him on the pedestal that Savage put him on. Hell, they even tried to trade him, and presumably are trying now.
I and sveral others have said it..due to the fact that if he's here this season , he walks when offered a new contract..thats a loss for the Browns if they lose him with no comp....I'd rather see him traded ,not just for anything but good value in return..but his future is up in the air as regards to what exactly will happen..
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I just don't understand signing old players like Patten.
I happen to live on the other end of Oklahoma. But I was raised in Cleveland Hts. and graduated from Shaker Hts.Go Browns.
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So before ONE SINGLE FAN ever boo'ed Edwards, he didn't want to be in Cleveland.
That's a FACT.
Nobody who didn't grow up a Browns fan wants to play for the Browns. They are perennial losers in a city with less-than-desirable weather for half the year. Upper-echelon draftees want to play 1) for contenders or 2) in big markets, or 3) their childhood team, in that order. Late-round guys are just happy to be drafted, and don't really care. The big-time guys want money and glory, which they get through one of the three that I mentioned.
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So before ONE SINGLE FAN ever boo'ed Edwards, he didn't want to be in Cleveland.
That's a FACT.
Nobody who didn't grow up a Browns fan wants to play for the Browns. They are perennial losers in a city with less-than-desirable weather for half the year. Upper-echelon draftees want to play 1) for contenders or 2) in big markets, or 3) their childhood team, in that order. Late-round guys are just happy to be drafted, and don't really care. The big-time guys want money and glory, which they get through one of the three that I mentioned.
you forgot Ohio's high state income taxes.
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"Nobody who didn't grow up a Browns fan wants to play for the Browns."
He didn't grow up in the area and was never a fan of the Browns.
Ask Cribbs if he wants to play for the Browns.
Joe Thomas.
How far back can we go? Jim Brown didn't grow up a Brown's fan and wasn't from the area - yet he bleeds Brown and Orange.
I don't know if you were being sarcastic...but its good to be a Brown still.
Rogers just went to a Cavalier game and was given a standing O by 20,000 there. You think he don't have a tingling feeling that he never had before. They never cheered him like that in Detroit!
And thats after a 4-12 season.
Wait till we are back in the playoffs on an annual basis...wait till we win a Championship...divisional, conference or SB!!!
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I agree with your selctions of Hicks/Britts .
Second thing..U don't build a D around a ILB???? But you realize if he's a BPA on the board and at the top of the list U take him..
Raji might be a fit in KC because they don't have a true NT..the Browns do.
This team lacks true hard-nosed LB's..right now Curry is not a desperate need because of Barton..but even Barton is a one/two year rental.
Curry can be the #1 player on KC's board if they see fit...That's cool...I see Curry and Crabtree as 1-2 on almost all boards...Throw in a Jason Smith at LT...The top 5 board means SQUAT when you're dealing with certain things...
If they have a Raji rated high enuff...Like Top 5...And they DON'T TAKE HIM...Pioli just made mistake number TWO...First one was wavering on a QB that hadn't touched a field since in HIGH SCHOOL...They will REGRET that trade...MARK IT...U know why...I won't splurge again about it...
If u have a 3-4 D...And one that is JUST NOW being implemented...And u have a draft where u have an available ILB and a NT...And BOTH are rated top 5 to u...U TAKE THE NT EVERY DAY AND SUNDAY...There is NO QUESTION ABOUT IT...If u don't...U just made a major mistake and watch teams run all over your precious 3-4 D...NO ILB WILL HELP WITHOUT A NT...Ask Ray Lewis a few years ago prior to Ngati...
THAT is why Curry will make it to 4...And possibly 5...
If Pioli takes Curry he's an IDIOT...If we were in that position...I'd take RAJI...No questions asked...And NO TRADING THE PICK...U must have a NT in a 3-4 D or you're screwed from day one...I don't care what else u have around the Nose...
The other options are a STUD END...STUD OLB...STUD CB...
NOT AN ILB...Not in a 3-4 D...
Pioli's an IDIOT if he takes Curry...
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The question is how high does Pioli have Raji on his board?
We've seen some obvious picks over the years go astray..
Lemmie ask you...lets say Curry goes before us and KC takes another choice..Crabtree/Raji sit there at 5..your call?
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Lemmie ask you...lets say Curry goes before us and KC takes another choice..Crabtree/Raji sit there at 5..your call?
If these r the 2 players we a dead set at and they are discussing in the war room???
CRABTREE HANDS DOWN...At 5...
Now when Oakland and the Senile one and Jax come calling???
I take the best offer we can get and go down to 7 or 8...And when I say best offer I mean your #2 AND...
Then I take Orakpo/Brown at 7 or 8...And if we have a dead set deal to trade Edwards???...I STILL take Orakpo/Brown cause the WR will come with that pick...Nicks/Britt... 
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If Curry is gone.. and the choice is b/w Raji and Crabtree...
THE PICK BETTER BE RAJI!!!
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If Curry is gone.. and the choice is b/w Raji and Crabtree...
THE PICK BETTER BE RAJI!!!
And exactly where r we gonna put a 6' 1" 340lb Lineman???
Let me guess...
I've seen your "Dream Team"...
Williams/Rogers/Raji...
EDUCATE yourself Mr. Georgia...
Educate yourself about LEVERAGE...
Educate yourself about SIZE...Both Height & Weight...
Educate yourself about a 3-4 D...
Who's the next STUD comin' outta Georgia this year???...
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I see no reason why Raji couldn't play end. He has the athleticism and pass rushing skills to be a potential under tackle, which he is being looked at for. His height hurts him, but that is overrated IMO.
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The question is how high does Pioli have Raji on his board?
We've seen some obvious picks over the years go astray..
Lemmie ask you...lets say Curry goes before us and KC takes another choice..Crabtree/Raji sit there at 5..your call?
Since the Browns already have a NT (Rogers) better than BJ Raji...and Crabtree will already be off the board...and we have a need for a pass rush from the outside...I would guess that the Browns are going to choose a DE, Orakpo or Everette Brown at #5...unless Curry is still on the board, which I doubt...jmho...mac
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I thought you were gonna educate me since I don't know a darn thing about a 3-4 defense...
Raji can be placed anywhere on the d-line, just like Shaun Rogers can. Both are more than athletic, and both are very strong.
I know you are a Browns fan, but have you ever watched a Ravens game? Tell me where the guy with Ngata on the back of his jersey lines up at times.
You say you have seen my "dream" team... Did you really think about the stance I was taking with those 3 guys on the d-line? It's all about PUSH!!!! It's all about occupying the offensive linemen so that the blitzing LB can get to the QB w/ ease.
Ever wonder how Joey Porter always got an open shot at QB's when he was at Pittsburgh?
C'mon man...
And all the Georgia comments you make... If you really read my posts... I rarely make a comment about any Georgia guys. So relax w/ that. There are plenty of guys on this board that are proud of their alma mater, but for whatever reason, I always get ragged on. Maybe b/c Georgia is in the SEC? I don't know...
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Ever wonder how Joey Porter always got an open shot at QB's when he was at Pittsburgh?
C'mon man...
No...I don't wonder why...I KNOW WHY...
99 out 100 Defensive Ends in a 3-4 D in the NFL were UNDERSIZED Defensive Tackles in College...Virtually every single one of em' worth a damn were TACKLES in College...And they weren't 340lb Tackles...
Ends in a 3-4 MUST BE in the 290-310 range...The BEST DL's in the league that run a 3-4 have those type Ends...3 Tech...5 Tech...10 Tech...69 Tech...Don't mean squat...Not to me...These guys need to be stout at the LOS...Yet be able to MOVE...Then u need HEIGHT...You're talkin' a SIX FOOT DUDE...He will NEVER be an End in a 3-4...Or a 4-3...
Where has Ngata ended up???...NOSE...And he'll stay there...
Same thing with OLB's...The ULTIMATE is in the 6' 5" range and 265...
U guys do the same ass thing with Harrison...There's NO WAY this dude can hack carryin' a rock 20+ times a game...IT WILL KILL HIS BODY...He's perfect right where he is...U can't take a 7 yard a carry average and think he can do even close to as good on 1st and 2nd down...People need to look at WHEN those carries are happenin'...
Raji will be a NT...Or a Tackle in a 4-3...NOONE will say he can go to the End in a 3-4...NOONE...
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Speaking of Harrisons....
You said the ultimate height of OLB's is 6'5 range and 265... How tall is James Harrison? 6'0?? How much does he weigh?? 240??
If you think the game of football is about height and weight.... You are on something....
Glad the guys that picked up the Panthers did not follow your logic when they picked up Steve Smith.
Glad the guys the Cowboys did not follow your logic when they picked up Emmitt Smith.
There are so many exceptions to the rule....
Heights.. Weights... There will always be that bell curve. Someone has to be the tallest.. Someone has to be the shortest.. But if you can play the game.. .Who Cares!!!!???
To sit here and say a 3-4 DE MUST be in the 290-310 range is pathetic. You might as well say all doctors MUST be males. Your line of thinking is all opinion. You are going off of averages, and that is not right.
B.J. Raji has great talent at his position, and regardless of his height/ weight.. He can play. That is my point, and that is why if Curry is gone... I want the Browns to draft Raji. Disagree w/ me all you want... But you can't tell me with an honest face (if I could see you) that our defensive line wouldn't be that much better. I don't know how many times I witnessed all of our LB's drop back into coverage, and watch only one guy (Rogers) get good push/ pressure on the QB. Offfenses would put two guys on Rogers, and then Williams / the other DE would be one on one w/ another o-linemen free to block our blitzer.
You need two guys to block Rogers... You need two guys to block Raji... Bring the blitz will give us more than 17 sacks...
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"Nobody who didn't grow up a Browns fan wants to play for the Browns."
He didn't grow up in the area and was never a fan of the Browns.
Ask Cribbs if he wants to play for the Browns.
Joe Thomas.
How far back can we go? Jim Brown didn't grow up a Brown's fan and wasn't from the area - yet he bleeds Brown and Orange.
I don't know if you were being sarcastic...but its good to be a Brown still.
Rogers just went to a Cavalier game and was given a standing O by 20,000 there. You think he don't have a tingling feeling that he never had before. They never cheered him like that in Detroit!
And thats after a 4-12 season.
Wait till we are back in the playoffs on an annual basis...wait till we win a Championship...divisional, conference or SB!!!
JMHO
What does that have to do with anything? Only one of those guys was drafted by the Browns, and I highly doubt that if Joe could've chosen to be drafted by any team in the NFL that the Browns would've been his top pick. Did you even read what I wrote?
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I got what you meant adam:
The Browns aren't a fashionable team with non-Browns fans. Cleveland isn't a glamourous city, the Browns have stunk for the better part of 30 years... no one but us likes our helmets/uniforms... a high 1st-round pick (esp. a pretty boy WR) probably wouldn't make Cleveland his 1st choice of destinations... or even his 21st.
Still, most high picks behave as if they're glad to go where they're drafted, except for Elway and Eli and a few others.
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