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I'd have to say no on plummer.
That's because the problem isn't the Qb's....
That's because th problem isn't the QB's... 
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do know that going to the season last year with a Vet QB would have been ideal. I am not so sure it would be bad idea to get some kind of veteran presence at the QB position.
I kinda worried about that also last season,, and at first I wanted us to get a vet.... Then it struck me that we weren't going anywhere anyway.. I mean, at best, I thought the team would be 8-8 and that's just not gonna get you into the playoffs.
So I kinda said, hey we don't have a lot of money tied up in any of our QB's, and if someone happens to step up, then great, if not, this wasn't gonna be our year anyway. So I just shut up and let it go.
I would have thought that by this year, we might be getting serious about smelling the playoffs,,, at least that was my hope.. Now I just don't know. So I may end up with the same thought as last year regarding the QB spot..
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I mean, at best, I thought the team would be 8-8 and that's just not gonna get you into the playoffs.
Not in our division, or the AFC for that matter....
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Now I just don't know. So I may end up with the same thought as last year regarding the QB spot..
If Grossman can do it.....Charlie can, put Charlie on the Bears and watch him look just like grossman.
Solid O-line, two good to above average backs, and the best defence int he NFC if not the league.
IMHO, we need to build the team, then take a QB when the time is right.
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If Grossman can do it.....Charlie can, put Charlie on the Bears and watch him look just like grossman.
Solid O-line, two good to above average backs, and the best defence int he NFC if not the league.
IMHO, we need to build the team, then take a QB when the time is right.
Grossman does several things much better (while still showing young player inconsistency) than Charlie.
I agree about building the team but there are thigns that need to be considered.
I do not want a QB with our first pick but
It can be argued that NOW is the time to get a QB and develop him. We may not draft this high again anytime soon.
Charlie is not the future, he is just a place holder for right now.
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We may not draft this high again anytime soon.
Let's hope so. However, when you look around the league...what do you see?
Late picks as good QB's
Tom Brady 
Matt Hasslebeck
Trent Green
Jon Kitna
Chad Pennington
JP losman (1st round)
Marc Bulger
Drew Breese (2nd round)
Tony Romo
Jake Delhomme
Ben Roth(1st)
I mean other than last years draft Young, Leinhart, and alex Smith (Urban myere product) 
Most of the QB's aren't top notch Carson Palmer, Peyton Mannign type guys. So why draft Danny Weurffel in the first round? 
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Charlie is not the future, he is just a place holder for right now.
I haven't come to that conclusion yet... and I probably won't until I see him playing behind a decent Oline... If it were me sitting back there, my head would be swimming looking for where the next sack is coming from with this line..
Oh, another thing to just think about. We've all see Olines come out of seemingly nowhere and become very very good, even great lines... So maybe (I do doubt this) it's not so much the players we have in all instances, but maybe they way they are coached or schemed... Honestly, I really don't know the answer to that... Not even sure it's a fair question.
But as for Charlie, I can't put all the fault on his shoulders,,, he just got pummeled this past year,,, I'm amazed he got up a few of those times... Quite a few to be honest.
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Charlie is not the future, he is just a place holder for right now.
I haven't come to that conclusion yet... and I probably won't until I see him playing behind a decent Oline... If it were me sitting back there, my head would be swimming looking for where the next sack is coming from with this line..
Oh, another thing to just think about. We've all see Olines come out of seemingly nowhere and become very very good, even great lines... So maybe (I do doubt this) it's not so much the players we have in all instances, but maybe they way they are coached or schemed... Honestly, I really don't know the answer to that... Not even sure it's a fair question.
But as for Charlie, I can't put all the fault on his shoulders,,, he just got pummeled this past year,,, I'm amazed he got up a few of those times... Quite a few to be honest.
I dont disrespect Charlie. He is a tough SOB.
He has some bad habits that I just dont see him overcoming. I dont think he can make all of the throws he needs to. Every QB throws picks so I am not really hung up on that although his decision making is something I question.
I agree that the line play impacts everyhting in a huge way and it certainly makes it hard to evalaute the QB. Watching the browns though I wonder if we always expect it to be the lines fault. I think alot of it has top do with getting rid of the ball quickly. Now I am not saying our O-line consistently provides enough time but thee are plenty of times when the ball is being held waaaaaayyyy too long.
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Most of the QB's aren't top notch Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning type guys. So why draft Danny Weurffel in the first round?
What the hell are you talking about ??? What do you mean by Danny Wuerffel??
I think you are misreading me here.
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I really don't know that Jake would be an upgrade over Charlie. I always thought Jake and Tim Couch were comparable in ability. We all saw how well Tim worked out with the Browns.
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I really don't know that Jake would be an upgrade over Charlie. I always thought Jake and Tim Couch were comparable in ability. We all saw how well Tim worked out with the Browns.
I don't want to start anything because the TC days are over and done with.. but, behind the line we had then and the line we have now, I doubt some of the best QB's in the league would do very well... Just being honest.
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That is my point - it doesn't make sense to bring in someone and pay them $8,000,000 per year just so they can get sacked 50 times. Fix the line - then, if we need a 10,000,000 per year QB, fine.
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Now I am not saying our O-line consistently provides enough time but thee are plenty of times when the ball is being held waaaaaayyyy too long.
For sure it's a two way street.. Payton Manning is sacked less than any QB in the league,,, I think stats prove that. But what stats don't prove is why..
I'll give you three reasons: (theres probably more, but let's concentrate on these for the moment)
1.That line is pretty darn good,,,, Very good in fact.
2. Since Payton Manning has been there, they have most always had a premier RB.. Faulk, Edge and now this rookie Addai...
3. Payton Manning reads Defenses about as good as any QB can , better than most, and he gets rid of the ball quick.
It's never just one thing... Great line + Ryan Leaf = 0 ---- Average line + Bernie Kosar = 3 shots at the AFC Championship ...
So If we can get that line, I really do believe that Droughns can still be somewhat effective enough to take the pressure off of Charlie,,
I think that would probably mean we would know pretty darn quick if he's the guy or not.. and if not, then we move on with another guy..
PLEASE, I'm not comparing Charlie to Manning, Leaf or Kosar,,, it's just an example,,,
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