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that's good,, glad to hear it... Thanks
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Honestly, I think that we are beating a dead horse.
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By the way, I do not remember ever saying that you thought the cop should be fired.
It wasn't you, it was someone else, and they realized it after the fact.
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Honestly I agree with 95 percent of the stuff you said. We are simply arguing over the 5% that we don’t agree on, and at this point it feels like an endless cycle.
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, and we can discuss what we have in common on this case, but I am done with this disagreement and will let you have the last word.
No last word from me - as far as the topic is concerned. As you said, we agree on just about everything.
Have a good day Arch 
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Moats didn't run, he stood there.. and yeah, he was excited and probably didn't handle it as well as he could have, but then again, I'm not sure who among us would have. I mean given the circumstances.
That's my whole point - it's not like he got agitated because he was going to be late for a party, or a movie, or dinner. If that had been the case, then I say Moats was wrong wrong wrong.
That was not the case.
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Isn't it funny how, when faced with a crisis, some of us can just calmly go about what needs to be done and others just panic or at the very least get excited (which I assume can be easliy misread).
I'm not sure how I would react in the situation that Moats found himself in.
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DC I was the one who said the cop should be fired, and I still think he should be.
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Isn't it funny how, when faced with a crisis, some of us can just calmly go about what needs to be done and others just panic or at the very least get excited (which I assume can be easliy misread).
I'm not sure how I would react in the situation that Moats found himself in.
That was my thought the entire time I've been reading this post.
It's very easy to say what he should've done or what you would've done (generally speaking), without ever having been in that situation. Honestly, most men have dreamed of their M-I-L's kicking the bucket (just kidding, but not really). Anyway, I haven't seen the video, but I read the "transcript", and it seems this officer very much crossed the line. When someone performs their job with such gross incompetence, they usually do get fired. However, I won't say whether he should or shouldn't. My punishment for him would him being handcuffed, and Moats and his wife get a clean shot to the chin.
He stole the last moment they had with their dearly departed. Nothing is ever gonna change that. He's issued his public apology. I hope all parties can move on with what's left.
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I have been in that situation. When my wife's mother died, I turned a hour's drive to the hospital into a 40 min. drive. Would I have pulled over 10 min into the drive.... YEP... would I have pulled over a mile from the hospital..... not on your life. Fine me, arrest me after the fact, but I would be damned if I would have stood in the parking lot with some dumb ass cop on a power trip.. 
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Thomas' wife detained by Moats' cop
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Another allegation has surfaced against the officer who prevented Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats from entering a hospital to see his dying mother-in-law last week.
The Dallas Morning News reports that Maritza Thomas, wife of former Cowboys linebacker Zach Thomas, was handcuffed and spent approximately three hours in jail after Dallas officer Robert Powell pulled her over for an illegal U-turn in July 2008.
"This in no way compares to what happened to Ryan Moats and his family," Thomas told The Morning News. "But we wanted to tell our story, not knowing how many others have been affected by Officer Powell. We know the vast majority of the Dallas police force are good and professional people, but this guy just seems excessive."
Four of the five tickets issued against Maritza Thomas were later dropped including failure to show proof of insurance, running a red light, improper address on driver's license and a registration sticker was not on the windshield. She accepted deferred adjudication for the illegal U-turn charge, and her record will be cleared next month.
"This situation never should've happened," Maritza Thomas' attorney, Brody Shanklin told The Morning News. "Unless extraordinary circumstances exist, no person should be arrested for a Class C citation. In this case, it was an example of Officer Powell being overzealous and exerting his authority in a manner that he never should have."
Bob Gorsky, Powell's attorney, defended his client's actions.
"I do understand that an arrest on multiple traffic charges happens often and is absolutely proper under these circumstances," Gorsky told The Morning News. "Often, when there are multiple charges, an arrest made and bond posted, some of the charges from a single event are later dropped."
Powell pulled over Moats for running a red light on his way to the hospital to see his dying mother-in-law. Powell detained Moats for 13 minutes, in which time his mother-in-law died. Powell issued an apology on Friday.
A Dallas police spokesman declined to comment but said the department would investigate any complaint filed against Powell, who is on administrative leave.
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Sounds like a really nice guy.
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Doesn't he? I think I wanna leave John and marry this guy. 
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Gawd Babe.. you cracking me up. Hope all is well.
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Doesn't he? I think I wanna leave John and marry this guy.
To change one of my favorite quotes to fit this comment.....
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Saint~All is very well. Thanks! Hope all is well with you! Atomic~I was thinking of that exact quote myself. 
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I think that should put the racism quesions to rest. This guy just has a bad case of short-man's disease. He should probably be pushing paper for the rest of his career.
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I think that should put the racism quesions to rest. This guy just has a bad case of short-man's disease. He should probably be pushing paper for the rest of his career.
IIRC, Zach Thomas's wife is Jason Taylor's sister. If that's the case, then she is black. It was either Zack married Jason's sister or Jason married Zach's sister, I just can't remember which way it went.
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I think that should put the racism quesions to rest. This guy just has a bad case of short-man's disease. He should probably be pushing paper for the rest of his career.
IIRC, Zach Thomas's wife is Jason Taylor's sister. If that's the case, then she is black. It was either Zack married Jason's sister or Jason married Zach's sister, I just can't remember which way it went.
Nevermind, just looked it up and it was Taylor that married Thomas's sister, not the other way around. Thank you Wikipedia.
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While this is a sad situation, I think Moats victimized himself with some unintentional poor judgement. At the first sign of being tailed, he should have pulled over immediately. Problem solved, methinks.
The cop obviously needs some combination of anger management and Napoleonism training. He will mature with age. He shouldn't lose his job.
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I agree, yeah maybe he isnt the nicest guy, but its part of his job. He had a car full of people who ran a red light, were speeding, and refused to stop for him. When they did stop they all came piling out of the car. This guys deals with the lowest dregs of society on a daily basis. God forbid he is a hard ass and is skeptical to a guy evading him. Moats and his old lady are lucky they didnt get tasered or pepper sprayed.
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Moats and his old lady are lucky they didnt get tasered or pepper sprayed.
You can't be serious with that statement, can you?
We saw the video. At no time was the cop in danger. Had he tasered or used pepper spray, not only would he have probably been fired, the city would've been sued and lost.
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You can't be serious with that statement, can you?
We saw the video. At no time was the cop in danger. Had he tasered or used pepper spray, not only would he have probably been fired, the city would've been sued and lost.
See you didnt really read what I said, I didnt say he should have tasered them or they deserved to be tasered but the way they evaded the policeman and then came flying out of the car I think he was very justified for having his gun drawn and ready to go. So my thinking is if he had pulled a taser instead of the gun they we ould have been lucky he didnt make a decision to taser, the same as they are lucky he didnt percieve one of their moves as a threat.
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The cop was right to be upset and aprehensive at first. It was fairly evident early on that Moats was not lying. The cop could have easily followed him into the hospital to verify. The nurses coming out further validated Moats. The cop acted like a jerk for way too long. Flip the situation around and what would the cop have wanted done in that situation if he was Moats. The guy deserves to be put behind a desk at this point.
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No offense Kingo, but have you even seen the video?
It's quite obvious that the officer was never in any danger.
The officer doesn't treat Moats with any respect at all throughout the video. Repeatedly, he says, "Shut your mouth!!" when Moats is talking to him. And when I say repeatedly I mean at least 7 or 8 times in the first few minutes of the video.
While I agree that in the beginning of the pursuit Moats could have handled this a little better, but you have to realise that he had other things on his mind at the moment. His MIL was dying.
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No offense Kingo, but have you even seen the video?
It's quite obvious that the officer was never in any danger.
The officer doesn't treat Moats with any respect at all throughout the video. Repeatedly, he says, "Shut your mouth!!" when Moats is talking to him. And when I say repeatedly I mean at least 7 or 8 times in the first few minutes of the video.
While I agree that in the beginning of the pursuit Moats could have handled this a little better, but you have to realise that he had other things on his mind at the moment. His MIL was dying.
I did watch the video, I was more referring to when they first stopped and jumped out of the car.
After that yeah the cop was a jerk,OK so what? Knowing what these guys deal with on a daily basis I can understand why they would be.
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I understand that cops have a bad job, they put their life out there for people and most people don't respect them.
However, that does not give him the right to be a complete donkey to someone who's MIL and Wife is dying. What some people are forgetting is this cop also cost Moat's FIL the chance to say goodbye to his wife. The FIL stayed with Moats and the cop.
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Kingo: My post is in response to a line in your latest quote: Quote:
After that yeah the cop was a jerk,OK so what? Knowing what these guys deal with on a daily basis I can understand why they would be.
I know (secondhand, at least) what a cop's life is like. I was raised by one. Pops was a beat cop on foot patrol when I was born, and rose through the ranks to Inspector/Uniform Division by the time I was a young man. He had only one police officer who outranked him- the Chief of Police, who mainly served as a figurehead/liaison with the Mayor's office/City Hall. For all intents and purposes, Pops ran the entire day-to-day operations of the crime-fighting wing of our local Police Dept for almost 10 years. (There was another Inspector- of the Traffic Division, but as for a comparison.... I'll just smile, say nothing, and move on.)
Once, when I was in High School, I wanted to impress a couple of my buddies, so I stopped by the Police Dept. on my way home from school. Thought I'd just waltz into the office, show off the Ol Man for a couple minutes, and head home with mega "cool points" within the clique. Something very different from what I expected happened that day.
Pops' door was closed. I knew what that meant, so I didn't even knock. We hung out for about 5 or ten minutes in the hallway, waiting for the door to open. I said hi to a number of officers and introduced my pals. Then the door opened. We saw 2 officers leave my Pops' office like two kids who'd just been released from the High School truant officer's detention room. We were young back then, but even we could feel the vibe when those 2 dudes left the office and slunk down the hall.
Mind you- the whole time, not a sound was heard through the door... a bad sign. A very bad sign. You see... the madder my Pops was, the quieter he'd become. If he was really pissed, his voice hissed out in just barely above a whisper.... kinda like a coiled, composed snake. (Dude could have given Clint Eastwood lessons on how to be "quietly menacing"...) When that door opened, the tension rushed out into the hall before the officers ever made it through the door. You could almost smell it, it was so thick.
Pops was as 'cool as the other side of the pillow' as he ushered us into the office, where we all hung for about 15 pleasant minutes. NONE of us was willing to ask him what had just taken place, but later that night at dinner, I got some insight.
I asked Pops what was going down when we got there, and he told me this:
"My guys messed up today. They were too in love with the uniform to be good cops... so I sat them down, and 'explained' to them that being a cop was a privilege- a privilege that they could lose, if they couldn't live up to the responsibilities that come with it."
I asked him if they abused their authority, and he said, "They came damned close. Too close for me... and that's why we had our little talk today." Then, he said something that has stuck with me ever since:
"I read a study last year that said 65% of people in high-stress jobs are psychologically unsuited to do the work they're hired to do. Part of my job is to find out if that's true in my squad. After that, It's my job to decide who can be helped, and who needs to go.... because 65 is too big a number for my department."
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I applaud your desire to defend a member of the thin Blue Line, but remember:
An arse can come packaged in a uniform too, sometimes. This guy just might be one of them. If so.... do you really think that we are a safer community with the likes of him out there?
I don't think so. And If My Pops' actions almost 30 years ago are any indication, neither would he.
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I understand that cops have a bad job, they put their life out there for people and most people don't respect them.
However, that does not give him the right to be a complete donkey to someone who's MIL and Wife is dying. What some people are forgetting is this cop also cost Moat's FIL the chance to say goodbye to his wife. The FIL stayed with Moats and the cop.
Ok but my point is that this police officer deals with people who will lie and do everything they can to get away. So all I was saying is his initial reaction was warranted. There were complaints that he jumped out of his car with his gun drawn. I was just pointing out in the initial contact between the officer and Moats things could have been worse. That is why I made the comment about they are lucky they didnt get tasered.
I think the officer should be reprimanded and maybe given some more training on dealing with people but for anyone to say this guys career should be over for this is ridiculous.
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I agree with everything you said Clem. My father in law was a career officer in Cleveland and a lot of my wifes family has been on the Cleveland police force including her sister who lived above us in a double for years and was a dispatcher up until she passed a few years ago. I have spent a lot of time at functions for police,like retirment parties and things like that and there probably was never a family function where there werent a few officers there as well.
My wifes sister who was a dispatcher had a ex husband who was a Cleveland Policeman. He got on the force through the help of my FIL. This guy was a classic case of the little man syndrome. He was a security guard for years before he finally was able to get on the force. Little bald guy who used to wear stack shoes so he could be taller. I said he was my sis in laws ex because he used to beat her and one time did it while he was in the parking lot of a bar where he was drinking while on duty, A few years back he ended up killing some girl that was riding in a car that her boyfriend was running from the police in. He shot the girl in the back of the head and then claimed it was in defense. He got away with it but he is now on desk duty, last I knew he was anyways.
When I first started dating my wife, I was young and still trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life. My FIL talked to me about getting me on the force and we had a long conversation about it.He told me the same thing you just said. Its not for everybody.
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I applaud your desire to defend a member of the thin Blue Line, but remember:
An arse can come packaged in a uniform too, sometimes. This guy just might be one of them. If so.... do you really think that we are a safer community with the likes of him out there?
I don't know.. maybe this guy is part of the 65%... maybe nobody ever sat him down and set him straight the way your father did with so many officers... maybe that's all he really needed. Maybe the signs of this have been coming for a while and have either been ignored or pushed aside...
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Robert Powell ...coming soon to a Mall near you.
Cop who stopped Moats in hospital lot resignsAssociated Press
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Updated: April 1, 2009, 12:32 PM EST 109 comments DALLAS (AP) - A Dallas police officer who detained an NFL player in a hospital parking lot while the player's mother-in-law was dying inside has resigned.
'My mother-in-law is dying' Video: Watch Texan Ryan Moats' confrontation with a police officer who stopped him from visiting a dying relative in the hospital and threatened to arrest him.
An attorney for Officer Robert Powell said Powell resigned Wednesday over the March 18 incident in which he drew his gun and threatened Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats.
Powell stopped Moats' SUV in the Plano parking lot after the vehicle rolled through a red light. Moats' wife, Tamishia, and other relatives were also in the car.
Moats' mother-in-law died while Powell was ticketing and lecturing him. Powell later issued an apology, which Moats accepted.
The resignation was first reported by Dallas-Fort Worth television station KTVT.
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