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The only problem with all the trade scenarios is, simply put, Braylon himself. What I mean by that is this......If you are a team on the outside looking in what do you see?
You see a guy with top 5 athletic talent but bottom 5 hands.
You see a guy with a possible attitude problem.
You see a guy who is gonna want a new contract for big bucks, stats be damned.
Now I'm not saying that all of those negatives cannot be overcome. Especially if you think the Browns's asking price is right. But no one is gonna give 2 firsts and a player to pick up BE as I saw one poster give as a minimum. What did the Giants supposedly offer? An average player and a 2nd and 5th round pick? We didn't take it and no one has offered more. And they probably wouldn't have even talked to us if they weren't worried about Plexiglass spending this season in the Graybar Hotel.
My personal opinion is that Mangini and company would drop Braylon in a heartbeat for something they considered adequate compensation. If he didn't have hands of stone we'd probably already be in serious discussions with several teams. But he does. So he's ours for the foreseeable future.
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The only problem with all the trade scenarios is, simply put, Braylon himself. What I mean by that is this......If you are a team on the outside looking in what do you see?
You see a guy with top 5 athletic talent but bottom 5 hands.
You see a guy with a possible attitude problem.
You see a guy who is gonna want a new contract for big bucks, stats be damned.
Now I'm not saying that all of those negatives cannot be overcome. Especially if you think the Browns's asking price is right. But no one is gonna give 2 firsts and a player to pick up BE as I saw one poster give as a minimum. What did the Giants supposedly offer? An average player and a 2nd and 5th round pick? We didn't take it and no one has offered more. And they probably wouldn't have even talked to us if they weren't worried about Plexiglass spending this season in the Graybar Hotel.
My personal opinion is that Mangini and company would drop Braylon in a heartbeat for something they considered adequate compensation. If he didn't have hands of stone we'd probably already be in serious discussions with several teams. But he does. So he's ours for the foreseeable future.
If you are a team that has the talent for a title run but are thin at WR or needing an explosive playmaker there, like say, I don't know, the GIANTS, he's perfect. He has less attitude than Plaxico. He is incredibly talented. And when he is on a winning team that likes throw, he's one of the best in the league.
I'll miss his talent. but it might be time.
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As noted previously, a strong arguement can be made both for keeping Edwards and for dumping him. My feeling stems from striking while the iron is hot, and as of right now, his trade value is high.
My My My...Lotsa views on this thing...
Keep him...Trade him...Tag him next year...Re-sign em'...
What do we KNOW???...
We know he's a talent...We also know he can P u off like crazy with the drops in the most insanely KEY situations...Killing drives for the most part...That's just something u gotta live with cause it will ALWAYS BE THAT WAY...He ain't changin' what he is...And always has been...
To ME there's only 3 receivers in this entire league that I would not trade for ANYTHING...
Johnson & Johnson...That be Andre & Calvin
Fitzgerald
And I would NOT trade Edwards either IF I had the slightest inclination he was INTERESTED in being a Brown long-term...EVERY indication has shown he's NOT INTERESTED...That's the key indicator here...Don't care about the prima donna attitude...Don't care about the drops...Those happen to the best...
This is ALL about our capability of keeping him here long term...And it's doubtful at best...I'd about guarantee that even if we offered him a major $$$ deal that his agent will say "We're gonna test the market"...There's your PROOF he don't wanna be here...
1st off...These teams can STICK these 5th/6th/7th round picks...I want NO PART OF EM'...This kid goes for a 1st & 3rd or 1st & 4th or NO DEAL...None of these P-ON 5th/6th/7th round Special Teams player spots...
Having said that...How would those that say MUST KEEP feel if he tears an ACL this season???...That would totally kill his value going into the new year trading in 2010...No team will come close to touching that for a 1st/2nd round pick...
This boils down to his every indication he DOES NOT WANNA BE HERE...And being in the last year of his contract we now MUST go into the PROTECTING ASSET STAGE...If we screw around with this and he tears up a knee...WE ARE SCREWED...
The bidding STARTS with a 1st rounder...And THAT 1st rounder sets us up perfectly to get Edwards replacement...Nicks & Britt should be the targets...Solid talents...Solid size...Solid HANDS...Heyward-Bey is the one with the same rip as Edwards...Inconsistent HANDS...Anywhere from 17 (Jets) to 21 or 28 (Philly) 29 (Giants)...
As much as losing Edwards hurts our receiving core...We CAN re-coup from it...It ain't the end-all some state...lol...That's insane...The dude don't wanna be here...We gotta go into the mode of protecting the asset...And that means KEEP HIM OFF THE FIELD...Which means TRADE HIM NO LATER THAN THE DRAFT...
2 Firsts...2 Seconds...A 3rd...That's FIVE what used to be 1st day picks...And if we're smart we take the first 2nd round offer we get for Anderson...That's SIX...And with any luck that would make FIVE of the top FIFTY...
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My My My...Lotsa views on this thing...
Keep him...Trade him...Tag him next year...Re-sign em'...
What do we KNOW???...
We know that no matter how much we all type and bang heads on the subject, it does no good to worry about it.
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We can keep him.. thats fine..
We can trade him.. thats fine..
If we did trade him, we would definitely need some experienced guys... Its very rare that a WR fresh out of college tears up the league. But if you scout, and just so happen to pick the right guys... Your offense should be fine.
Braylon is just a phenominal athlete w/ great height and size. He can jump, he can leap... but sometimes he looks absolutely horrible!!! He lacks effort at times. He doesn't always push it 100%, atleast thats what I see when I'm watching him on the field.
If I get a call for Edwards, and its Philadelphia's two first round picks... SEE YA!!!!
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"Braylon Edwards" will dictate whether he stays with the Browns or not.
Braylon is the player who is extremely unhappy playing in the state of Ohio and there is little the Browns can do about that.
As all fans witnessed last year, via Braylon's own comments, playing for the Browns and in the state of Ohio has gotten to him mentally. Edwards feels unwanted, unloved, unappreciated by Browns fans and the citizens of Ohio.
In short, Jim Tressel and the Buckeyes did a number on Braylon's head and Braylon has publicly commented on his feelings about being a Cleveland Brown and playing in the state of Ohio.
IMO, Braylon has become a head case and it has affected his play on the field.
So, what is are the Browns to do?
How does Mangini fix a head case?
Keep Braylon and he could continue to exhibit the play and attitude we experienced from him last season. Face it folks, Braylon's drops did cost the Browns a shot at winning some games last season. Can Mangini afford to keep Edwards to find out if the droppsies continue?
IMO, Braylon's droppsies are caused by his unhappiness playing in Cleveland and unless the Browns can make Braylon happy, the dropped passes will likely continue. If Braylon's dropped passes begin again in preseason, what happens to Braylon's value?
I believe the Browns should trade Braylon now but not at a dirt cheap price. The Browns proposal to the Giants is a fair deal and if they are not a willing trade partner, then it's time to shop around the league.
Time for the media and fans to realize, we can't make Braylon want to play in Cleveland. "Desire" must come from the athlete.
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We can always franchise him next year or get a contract done next year if he has a breakout season. IMO, he wants to do well, he wants to make up for last year. He's a bit immature, but that goes back to that growing thing.
What has been said or has happened to make you think getting a contract done with him is a possibility? IMO there is no way he will re-sign with us. He didn't want to be here from day 1 - whining about Miami not picking him in the draft.
If he stays another year, we get nothing for him.
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"Braylon Edwards" will dictate whether he stays with the Browns or not.
Not necessarily. He can be franchised.....and he is franchise worthy when playing to his potential.
Additionally, the uncertainty around the CBA may mean he is a RFA instead of an UFA due to the need for 6 accrued seasons to become an UFA instead of 4. With Stallworth potentially gone, (and not worth 2 craps when he was here anyways) Edwards has to be retained, IMO.
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In short, Jim Tressel and the Buckeyes did a number on Braylon's head and Braylon has publicly commented on his feelings about being a Cleveland Brown and playing in the state of Ohio.
Horsehockey.....that is old news...there have been 4 classes come and go since he played there, the college rivalry has nothing to do with his play on the field, it has been mostly due to the lack of DA to be able to throw a proper pass. It's hard to catch balls when you don't know where in the hell they are going to be......and Braylon DOES need coached up on route running, but we have seen what he is capable of doing when everything falls into place.
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And with the CBA in limbo, if it goes to that, teams can use 2 tags.
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If the browns keep him, the one thing that is certainly in the Browns favor is this is the money year. Most players give their best effort in that contract year. I would guess that Mangini will have Edwards upmost attention next season with huge money on the line. I still would not be surprised to see him traded, but i cringe at the thought of how bad that offense will be without a veteran replacement.
someone mentioned the guy needs to be coached up to run better routes- made me think- did they announce the widereceiver coach? i don't recall anything official.
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ditto.. 
Honestly...that's how you field a young but talented team that can win immediately and only improve.
My dream scenario is trading Braylon for those two firsts and DA for a 2nd and 3rd.
BUT, I'm all for keeping Braylon because I think he's going to have a HUGE year this year, and I realize the big hit our offense would take without him.
I would do that as well, but IMO we won't get that for either of those players. One of those firsts is possible, but 2 isn't going to happen.
And as far as DA goes, last year at this time we could have gotten something good. I'm hoping we can still get a 3rd out of him. If we got a 2nd rounder alone, I'd crap my pants.
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"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" : Branch Rickey
Savage learned that one- how much different would things have been if DA was delt last year, and the browns had one more impact player on defense?? Maybe he would still have a job.......
There is still plenty of time to deal BE. Some say his value is at a high right now- i disagree. He is coming off a year where his stats are down and his drops are up. Now, if he has a monster year next season- and i think he will- his value will be high. Franchise him, and then make a decision. If good value presents itself this year- OK, i'm fine with the trade.
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That makes some sense, but I still think he needs to be gone by the draft.
The impact he provides is far less in both the short term and the long term then 2 more solid picks.....solid both in draft order and the players we use with said picks.
Sure, we blow the picks it won't be such a good deal......but you can't go in to it thinking you are going to blow the picks.
I am confident we can trade one good receiver for 2 more good players.
If we traded him for 2 picks, we might still be in a position to get a better receiver prospect with our first, and still end up with 2 solid prospects.
Change receivers to get more players. The worst that happens is someone selects Crabtree before we select and we have to grab a lesser prospect in round 2....but still pretty darn good.
Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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However, if Braylon thinks the fans in cleveland don't like him, wonder how the fans in philly will treat him when he doesn't run the right routes or drops easy balls.
Geez, I hadn't even thought of that ... wake-up call either way.
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here is an article from a philly paper. I think he is dreaming, but I thought i would share edwards would look great in midnight green Edwards Would Look Great In Midnight Green In The Red Zone By G. Cobb, For The Bulletin Friday, March 27, 2009 The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported earlier this week that the Eagles have expressed interest in acquiring Browns wide receiver Braylon Edwards, who is currently on the trading block. I got excited when I learned of the report because Edwards seems to fit the profile of the type of player the Eagles have pursued in the past. He is young (26) and still has yet to enter his prime. Perhaps above all, they could get him at a discounted price right now. The paper also reported that the Browns were in talks with the Giants about Edwards. They mentioned the Giants had offered the Browns second- and fifth-round picks, along with a choice of backup receivers Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham. I know Andy Reid has said he likes his current group of receivers, but I would have a tough time understanding why he wouldn’t do everything he can to get this deal done. The 6-foot-3, 218-pound Edwards has the combination of size and speed that only true No. 1 receivers possess. All you have to say is 16 touchdown catches in one season, and that tells you all you need to know. That was in 2007, when he had a phenomenal year with 80 catches and 1,289 yards, while ranking second in the NFL in touchdowns. Last season was an off-year, as he finished with 55 catches, 873 yards and three touchdowns. He also led the league in drops, but so has Terrell Owens in the past. The Eagles could probably get Edwards at a discount right now because of the poor season he had a year ago. I figure it wouldn’t cost much more than what the Giants were offering. Eagles wide receiver Reggie Brown, a former starter who has fallen out of favor, is clearly better than Manningham or Hixon. I could see the Eagles sending Brown to Cleveland, along with a second- and fifth-round pick, in exchange for Edwards. The Eagles should be willing to go even further, since they have a bevy of extra draft picks this year. In order to make sure they outdo the Giants, the Eagles could offer the Browns a player, a second-round pick and two fifth-round selections. Adding Edwards to a group that currently includes DeSean Jackson and Kevin Curtis would make the Eagles’ wide receiving corps among the best in the league. Combine that with a healthy Brian Westbrook and the Birds would certainly put a lot of points on the board next season. This would be the kind of aggressive move that a team focused on winning a Super Bowl would make. If they were to get Edwards, their wide receiver talent would be superior to what they had in 2004, when they added Owens and went to the Super Bowl. That year, the Eagles were trying to win a championship with an offense built around their passing game. They are still trying to win that way, but their receivers are not of the same caliber. If the report is true and the Eagles have legitimate interest in Edwards, they will be competing with the Giants for his services. The Giants already have a punishing running game and an outstanding defensive line. If they acquire Edwards, they’ll be a favorite again to win it all. Edwards is being pursued by the Giants to replace Plaxico Burress as their No. 1 receiver. Their general manager, Jerry Reese, who was the NFL Executive of the Year a couple of years ago, believes you need a top-tier receiver to win in this league. He has the Super Bowl ring to prove it, and he might have had two of them by now if Burress hadn’t shot himself in the leg last November. It’s really pretty simple: When you have a receiver who is 6-foot-3, he is going to be too big for most NFL defensive backs to cover. When you combine that with Edwards’ athleticism, you’ve got yourself a difference-maker. Reese knows what a true difference-maker looks like because he’s seen Burress dominate secondaries with his tremendous height and athletic ability. Like Burress, Edwards will have to be double-teamed and that will prevent defenses from moving an eighth man into the box against the powerful New York running game. If the Eagles lose out on Edwards to New York, they’ll be putting the Giants in position to dominate the division for the foreseeable future. I remember a quote by former Eagles head coach Dick Vermeil, in which he said that you win championships with great players who are able to do things that you can’t coach. I believe Vermeil was right, but I don’t think Reid agrees with him. He thinks it’s the coach who makes the difference and that’s why he comes out after every loss and says he didn’t do a good enough job of putting the players in the best position to make plays. I do agree with Reid that you can win a lot of games during the regular season by putting players in a better position to make plays, but that doesn’t happen very often in championship games. Edwards makes plays in the red zone, the types of plays that you can’t teach. I think that those acrobatic catches are what Vermeil was talking about. If the Birds were to make this deal, it would trump the loss of Brian Dawkins and they would deserve to be forgiven. Let’s hope that the Eagles, like Edwards last season, don’t drop the ball on this one. G. Cobb played 11 seasons in the NFL for the Lions, Eagles and Cowboys and is currently a talk-show host on Sports Radio 610 WIP and the main writer for GCobb.com
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"The Cleveland Browns' decision to shop Braylon Edwards is a head scratcher."
Sorry I don't read Crap articles...the guy starts out with an out right FABRICATION.
We aren't shopping BE at all...we are listening to offers thats all. Of which only one team has approached us and that was at the Combine. Didn't read the rest as I can't believe a word this guy writes.
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I'm in the trade Edwards camp, if, and only if, we can get something good for him. He has made it clear that he doesn't like Cleveland, and he is obviously a cancer in the locker room. If we don't franchise him next year, he will be gone. And if he has another sub par season, his value will drop even further. The scenarios I have in mind are as follows:
A: BE to the Giants for their 1st and either Hixon or Manningham.
B: BE to the Giants for their, 2nd, 5th, and Steve Smith.
C: BE to the Eagles for their 21 and their 3rd.
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If he didn't have hands of stone we'd probably already be in serious discussions with several teams.
If he didn't have hands of stone, this thread wouldn't exist, and he'd be the toast of the town.
And that's my point. He may not have the best hands, but they aren't as bad as last year. He will always have drops, but last year was an abberation in terms of the magnitude. He is the best skill player to come down the pike in a long, long time for the Browns, and so many fans are ready to write him off.
I feel like the "he doesn't want to be here" stuff is true yet overblown and many are riding that crutch to support their opinion. I can't friggin' find the article, but I just read a line in an article that quoted his father as saying his first preference is to stay in Cleveland. That kind of flies in the face of all that "he doesn't want to be here" stuff. The bottom line is where a guy wants to be is fixable. It's not like he's going to retire from football if he has to play in Cleveland. And if we get things turned around here in terms of being a competitive franchise, we won't probably hear it again.
And what's all this "it's better to trade him too early than a year too late" crap? The guy is what, 25 years old. We can control whether or not he stays here through various mechanisms. I have a feeling that quote was meant for guys who are much older.
Everyone wants to play GM. I'd hate to see some of the parents here with their kids. I bet some of you would like to trade sons/daughters when they screw up. LOL ...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You sure you're not Vers' kid lol 
"and he is obviously a cancer in the locker room."
So obvious that I have absolutely no recollection of anything that can be considered a "CANCER" 
I don't have a high regard for WR being all that so your trade scenarios of 2 n 3 look good to me and worth it.
"And if he has another sub par season, his value will drop even further."
His recorded drops were just about the same as a negative in 07 as in 08.
I did see a drop in his performance due to coming back early with the bad cut he received - but the biggest drop was in the performance of his QB and the offense in general.
But in a contract year where he expects to possibly hit the FA market...if there is an offense this year - he's going to be at the Forefront and try to be as much a leader as possible. After all he has an ego and this is his contract year...look at his senior season in college 
He's going to be franchise Tagged next year and I think the odds are we will end up trading him then. Of course if the right offer is out there for us this year...I can see us making the trade. But he is a valid weapon for this team. Don't make a mistake about it!
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Hmm...I have been reading a lot of the angst of some posters about Edwards, so I decided to look up his numbers (surprisingly 2008 stats aren't on the main site, had to get them from NFL.com). Given the upheaval with the number of Offensive co-ordinators (4 different OC's in 5 years) it's not REALLY surprising that he (and the rest of the offense to be honest) struggled.
Here's his overall stats. 2007 is the anomoly it appears. It's also the year we had the fewest injuries as well, which says something. Anyways, just thought I'd add this to the discussion. I found it interesting.
1st year (2005) - 32 Rec 512 Yds 3 TDs
2nd year (2006) - 61 rec 884 yds 6 tds
3rd year (2007) - 80 rec 1289 yds 16 tds
4th year (2008) - 55 rec 873 yds 3 tds
I don't recall very many folks being as attached to Quincy Morgan (he dropped a lot of passes too), or Kevin Johnson, or Antonio Bryant when they were here. And those receivers put up strikingly similar numbers to what BE has. But for some reason, some folks are more attached to BE.
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Johnson, Kevin 84 Rec 1097 Yds 9 TDs
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Johnson, Kevin 67 Rec 703 Yds 4 TDs
Morgan, Quincy 56 Rec 964 Yds 7 TDs
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Northcutt, Dennis 61 Rec 729 Yds 2 TDs
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Northcutt, Dennis 55 Rec 806 Yds 2 TDs
Bryant, Antonio LG 58 Rec 812 Yds 4 TDs
Now, nobody had any problem or at least not this much of a problem getting rid of any of these guys. And they had very similar perfomances. Why are some more attached to BE? Cause he was a 1st round pick? Hell, we've not had a single 1st rounder that has made the impact they were supposed to with the possible exception of Joe Thomas.
I don't understand the reason to keep him above all else. If someone is willing to give us essentially 3 players (2 of whom we get to choose through the draft) for him, why would you decline that?
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The worst that happens is someone selects Crabtree before we select and we have to grab a lesser prospect in round 2....but still pretty darn good.
The exact scenario listed above is why our front office would be completely idiotic if they trade him BEFORE we make our #5 selection.
There's really no way I consider this unless I have a viable replacement for Edwards. Trading BE and then watching Crabtree come off the board would be a disaster IMO, especially if we didn't get some sort of homerun type package for him (i.e. like a 1st, 3rd/4th and a solid player).
If we traded (for arguments sake) BE to NY for a 2nd, 5th and Manningham and then someone jumped ahead of us to draft Crabtree, we would look like idiots IMO.
There's a reason all these team's beat writers are churning out articles about trying to swoop in and get BE at a discounted price. Articles like these should be raising a red flag for eveyone. Why? Well another team isn't trying to do us a favor, they're trying to steal an incredibly talented player from us for what I (and they) would consider a bunch of average pieces / draft picks. JMHO.
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always interesting to see what other teams/outside views are on a situation. Even this guy admits that a second and fifth and a player is below market value for the talent of Edwards. Could always propose a Ditka style trade Browns send #5 and Edwards- eagles send two firsts, second, third, fourth, fifth, Reggie Brown---- oh what the heck, make it everything except the compsensatory picks. 
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And I would NOT trade Edwards either IF I had the slightest inclination he was INTERESTED in being a Brown long-term...
Now we hit the crux of it.
We know, for a fact, he neither wanted to be drafted by the Browns, nor is interested in staying with the Browns. The proof is his statements about pulling his charity work, and the belief that the fans never gave him a chance because he was from Michigan.
We also know for a fact that when he's not happy, he's not a reliable player. He loses focus, stops running routes, and takes himself mentally out of the game when he's not involved early and often. How do we know this? Because he admitted it. Then, after saying he'd not do it again, he did it again 
So, it comes back to what you said. If we knew he'd want to be here, there's no way in HELL you trade Edwards, dropsies or otherwise. But that's the problem, because the previous regime made him the the face of the franchise and let him get away with things. This regime won't do that. So it's hard to believe that he'd be happy here.
Nas, nobody doubts his physical gifts. And I won't ever play the Homer card on you *L* There's no need since we've all seen what he can do when his head is on right. But that brings us back to the problem of where his head.........and heart..........will be. Most of the signs point towards the fastest ticket out of town, which is why I think we should trade him while his value is at it's best.
To answer your question, would a 900-yard season hurt his trade value? That would completely depend on how his season went. He had 900 yards this year, but was a train wreck as a player. I think another seasons like this last one would hurt his trade value tremendously.
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Sorry I don't read Crap articles...the guy starts out with an out right FABRICATION.
No offense ...... but how do you know it's a "fabrication"? (nice word for a lie)
So far there are supposedly 2 teams who have expressed some degree of interest in Edwards. Are there more who said "No thanks"? Who knows? Did those teams just pick up the phone out of the blue ..... or was there some indication given that the player might be available?
One thing seems fairly obvious ..... and that's that players who might not fit seem to pop up in "possible trade" rumors fairly often. (especially ones with value)
I doubt that Edwards opens the season in orange and brown. I would also bet that one of our QBs is not a member of the Cleveland Browns when the season opens ..... and that the one traded will shock and dismay many fans .......
But those are just my ever so humble guesses.
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" But for some reason, some folks are more attached to BE."
Where's Diam and his Stats opinion...lol 
Can't speak for others but for me...it was the quality of his catches in making plays out of nothing. Just some incredible catches at incredible opportunities. Example - his TD catch against the Ravens...where RAC won his first challenge...that basically changed that game for us. And I don't think any of those WRs that we had before could have made that catch.
If you wish to not go by the "WHAT I SAW" factor and strictly go by stats.
16 TDS
Thats a big thing...and many, many of those TD's he was the difference maker in their creation. You can't put a price on making TD's and it was more from his personal Skill then any X's n O's advantage!
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Nas, nobody doubts his physical gifts. And I won't ever play the Homer card on you *L* There's no need since we've all seen what he can do when his head is on right. But that brings us back to the problem of where his head.........and heart..........will be. Most of the signs point towards the fastest ticket out of town, which is why I think we should trade him while his value is at it's best.
To answer your question, would a 900-yard season hurt his trade value? That would completely depend on how his season went. He had 900 yards this year, but was a train wreck as a player. I think another seasons like this last one would hurt his trade value tremendously.
Toad, what's this homer card you speak of?
Trust me, I was in the boot BE out the door camp right after the season and I'm really not opposed to it still (as long as we go about it in a way that covers our arse).
It was a disaster of a season and emotions ran pretty high after we failed to meet preseason expectations (i.e. his Michigan comments, etc.). BE is a pretty emotional guy and I think he just got caught up in the wash when things started to go south and his performance wasn't what he or the fans expected.
Even so, all I'm trying to do is point out that trading him just to trade him isn't the best approach. While he hasn't been studding out every year, career averages of 900 yards and 7 TD's a season (for a WR's first 3 1/2 seasons in the NFL) isn't exactly poor production. Especially when you consider a solid rookie season was cut short by his ACL injury and that he's played on a team that has had terrible QB play for all but one season.
If we really want trade him, I think you secure Crabtree first. If he comes off the board, I think someone has to blow your doors off to take BE off our hands.
Alot of this could also fall in BE's lap. I don't know if the new FO has sat down with him and said "do you, or don't you want to be here?" but that might be wise. If BE really doesn't want to be in Cleveland, I don't see him as a guy that's going to try to save face and grandstand. He'll tell them what they do or don't want to hear and they can move forward accordingly.
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Well, let's change that to a 2nd, 2 5ths, and instead of Brown, give me Desean Jackson. Otherwise, not interested. Sorry, but it's tough to acquire a true #1 receiver. Edwards is a #1, and I think that is something we need to hold on to.
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Not necessarily. He can be franchised.....and he is franchise worthy when playing to his potential.
shep...you miss the point...what makes Braylon Edwards happy?
No doubt, the Browns can make Braylon Edwards stay in Cleveland, but that does not mean he will be happy or productive, does it?
If Braylon is not happy in Cleveland now, you believe he's going to be happy if we "franchise" him?
If Braylon happiness in Cleveland affects his ability to catch the football, how does Mangini fix that?
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Horsehockey.....that is old news...
shep...old news to who?...you?
The news of Braylon's displeasure in Cleveland was made public just last Dec. in this article web page
Old news?...last Dec?...Not so old, IMO.
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But, if you ask Edwards why he's facing a large dose of criticism, it's because he attended the University of Michigan, arch-rival of the Ohio State. Yeah. That's it, Braylon. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact you've caught only 38 percent of the passes thrown your direction this season. Bud Shaw of the Cleveland Plain Dealer has the story. web page
"It is what it is ... I've learned since being here that I'm very unappreciated. Not by the organization, just in the eyes of the fans and the city. Since Day One, I've been a marked man coming from Michigan. It's just gone that way."
Edwards continued to say that he could care less about the fans and media, and is only interested in doing his job, which is catching footballs. You can insert your own joke.
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If Braylon's problems were not an issue for the Browns, why would Mangini and Kokinis be shopping Braylon?
I believe Mangini and Kokinis view Braylon's issues as more of a problem than some fans and media want to believe, shep.
Tell us, what makes Braylon happy?
You have not heard Braylon say a word about being on the block. I believe Braylon wants out of Cleveland in the worst way and would do just about anything to get a ticket out of Cleveland.
It's kind of hard to argue with Braylon's own words and now his silence concerning trade talks.
Personally, I wish Braylon was happy in Cleveland and played his entire pro career for the Browns...he's that good (when he does not have "issues").
It could be that Braylon is driven by more than football and has a thirst for the lime light that can produce more off the field opportunities than Cleveland has to offer.
Maybe it's not the Buckeyes that bother Braylon...maybe that is just an excuse he is using?....who knows?...
I do know that the Browns are trying to help Braylon find "happiness".
After all, it's hard to motivate a player to want to be a Cleveland Brown, if being a Cleveland Browns doesn't mean much to the player....jmho
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And with the CBA in limbo, if it goes to that, teams can use 2 tags.
And also with the CBA, if 2010 is indeed an uncapped season, Braylon will not be a FA, all players cannot be a FA til after there season 6. Which as of right now Braylon is a Brown for 2 more full seasons. IMO that increases his value to other teams.
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Former NFL running back Stan Edwards knows how the NFL runs. He understands the business of the day-to-day operations.
But as Braylon Edwards' father, he also wishes things would go as well as they can for his son. Edwards has been the subject of some trade rumors, most recently to the Giants, and there has been eerie silence from the new Cleveland regime, which already summarily traded Kellen Winslow and could do the same with Edwards and Shaun Rogers.
"I can imagine from Braylon, it can be a little bit awkward to go in to your workplace and know that they are getting ready to clean your desk out," Stan Edwards told me this morning by phone. "All you can do is go in there and continue to work. His attitude is that he's a Cleveland Brown and he's going to have a year that will rival his 2007 season."
The Browns not only have been deadly silent with the media and fans. The Browns' players apparently haven't heard much from head coach Eric Mangini and the other bigwigs, either. Stan Edwards said Braylon hasn't heard anything directly from Mangini about what his role on the team might be or what the offense is going to look like. Clearly, there's a lot to figure out on offense in Cleveland, including who will play quarterback and whether Donte Stallworth will be in jail or in Berea, Ohio (some say they are similar), and whether the team might go running back with its first or second draft pick.
But Edwards' status on the team remains one of the more intriguing situations to follow in the upcoming weeks. He might be traded. He might stay. Those who have the best inkling of the answer aren't talking, but plenty of other people sure are.
"Looking at this business, 25 years ago when a rumor came out, nobody gave it any credibility until something happened," said the elder Edwards, who played in the league from 1982 to '87 with the Houston Oilers and Lions. "Well, the business has changed. Where there's smoke, there's fire. A lot of times that smoke doesn't turn into fire, but in this day and age when there is information being exchanged every minute, it makes you stop and say, 'What is going on?' "
One thing is clear to everyone: If the Browns trade Braylon, they suddenly become very desperate for some WR help -- with or without Stallworth. Or as Stan says, "If they are going to replace Braylon, I don't think they are going to do it with anyone who is currently on the roster."
Stan said Braylon doesn't have a preference in the QB derby between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn but that he had a little more rhythm with Anderson "because they played longer together, they worked together more in practice. But he also has a ton of confidence in Brady Quinn. I know that."
The one thing I noticed right away when I spent time with both Edwards men leading up to the 2005 draft on Braylon's Pro Day was that they both felt Braylon had a star quality and that he needed to go to a place where that could be cultivated properly. That not only included a good football environment but a place where a player could become a star. Play well in Cleveland and one can achieve that status, just as Peyton Manning has become an international symbol playing in central Indiana and as Brett Favre did when he was in northern Wisconsin.
Stan said Braylon's preference would be to stay in Cleveland, even if going to a place like New York might "enhance his star a bit." And for now, his son will continue to go to work assuming he'll stay in Cleveland and get a chance to atone for what was a very tough season for both him and the Browns in '08.
"I'll say this: Before the foot injury [suffered last August when Stallworth stepped on Edwards], Braylon was playing at an even higher level in training camp than he did in 2007," Stan said. "And everything in his mind now is that he can get back to playing at that same level this coming season."
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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And with the CBA in limbo, if it goes to that, teams can use 2 tags.
And also with the CBA, if 2010 is indeed an uncapped season, Braylon will not be a FA, all players cannot be a FA til after there season 6. Which as of right now Braylon is a Brown for 2 full seasons. IMO that increases his value to other teams.
Already stated and you messed it up beyond belief when trying to restate it.........2 seasons? He has 4 seasons under his belt dude....
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I would agree that not many of our previous WRs could have made that catch. And he's made a few really remarkable grabs. But he's also dropped a bunch that he REALLY should have caught. Every WR has some dropped balls. But not every receiver makes a habit of it.
I am very aware that stats are not the be all end all. But what they do give is a perspective of if someone is able to do something on a regular basis. I've also said previously that it was no surprise that he struggled given the upheaval at the OC coaching spot. But those 16 TDs you mention seem to be the exception instead of the rule. And that's where my confusion lies.
Is he capable of it? Sure, he's proven that. Can he do that consistently? The trends say no.
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shep...you miss the point...what makes Braylon Edwards happy?
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No doubt, the Browns can make Braylon Edwards stay in Cleveland, but that does not mean he will be happy or productive, does it?
No, but that isn't what you said. You said he dictates where he goes and that is false.
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I don't give a fat baby's ass if he is unhappy for being franchised.......we do a deal and receive compensation for him if he doesn't want to do a long term deal......he is a marketable product that the Browns have rights to.
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The news of Braylon's displeasure in Cleveland was made public just last Dec. in this article web page
Old news?...last Dec?...Not so old, IMO.
I already read the damned article mac........it's old news because he is far removed from being a college player, and to state that Tressel is in his head is ludicrous. He wants to play professional football for whoever will pay him the most to do so. If the Buckeyes were a pro team and offered the most, he would go to them......I swear to God sometimes you argue the stupidest points just for the sake of arguing.
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Braylon would probably love to go to NY or LA... Why you ask? B/c he would be around all the model agencies..
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And with the CBA in limbo, if it goes to that, teams can use 2 tags.
And also with the CBA, if 2010 is indeed an uncapped season, Braylon will not be a FA, all players cannot be a FA til after there season 6. Which as of right now Braylon is a Brown for 2 full seasons. IMO that increases his value to other teams.
Already stated and you messed it up beyond belief when trying to restate it.........2 seasons? He has 4 seasons under his belt dude....
He has 2 more full seasons left as a Brown, hell I know he has been a Brown for 4 seasons!
What did I mess up? I stated with the uncapped season in 2010 Braylon will not be a FA in 2010. He has 2 more full seasons as a Brown.
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None of those guys ever had 1,289 yards and 16 TDs in a season, either.
And while Braylon's head didn't seem to be in it last year, he made some of the greatest catches I've seen in 2007. he's a true #1 WR, and unless we are guaranteed to be able to get one back in return, we can't afford to get rid of him. Losing him will make the WRs we do have that much worse.
Adding another top WR will also make him better.
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We know, for a fact, he neither wanted to be drafted by the Browns, nor is interested in staying with the Browns. The proof is his statements about pulling his charity work, and the belief that the fans never gave him a chance because he was from Michigan.
He also did the "O H I O" when they would play "Hang On Sloopy" to start the fourth quarter at home games in 2007. Winning cures everything.
I find it amusing how many folks are convinced that we can just draft a wide receiver and he's instantly going to put up huge numbers and we'll never miss a beat.
Just examining yardage, from the past three drafts, seven receivers have put more than Braylon's 873 from 2008 (which was, by all accounts, a lousy season for him).
Santonio Holmes (PItt)
Brandon Marshall (Den)
Marques Colston (NOR)
Calvin Johnson (Det)
Dwayne Bowe (KC)
Steve Breaston (Ariz)
Eddie Royal (Den)
That's out of 102 receivers drafted in those three years. Only three did it as rookies: Colston, Bowe, and Royal. Three of them were drafted in the first round (Holmes, Johnson, Bowe). The others were all picked in round four or later.
Bottom line, expecting a rookie WR to just step in and put #1 receiver numbers is about as big a crapshoot as you can take in the NFL. Add in the lack of any other offensive threat and the questions we have at QB, and it just isn't going to happen.
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Even so, all I'm trying to do is point out that trading him just to trade him isn't the best approach.
I completely agree. If we can't get a conditional 7th for him, NO DEAL!
No, giving him away does us no good. A 2nd rounder and another STARTING receiver would give me reason to think. A mid-to-high 1st would do the same thing. A 1st and a later pick or a player and I'm taking Edwards to the airport.
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