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Our legal system is out of whack.
I don't think Stallworth should get life or anything like that, but 30 days? Seriously? People go to jail longer than that for getting into a fight that isn't premeditated.
Basically the time is for the DUI. Considering the mitigating factors involved in the the case, the "death" will be served as 10 years probation.
I don't think it is a unjust sentence.
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Mike Vick got a lot more jail time for killing some dogs. ::shrug::
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Our legal system is out of whack.
I don't think Stallworth should get life or anything like that, but 30 days? Seriously? People go to jail longer than that for getting into a fight that isn't premeditated.
Were it a black-and-white case, I would completely agree, but this is different than the case where Leonard Little killed someone while driving drunk.
Reyes wasn't in the cross-walk and had some level of culpability in all this. That doesn't mean Stallworth wasn't wrong, it just means that Reyes also screwed up here, though clearly to less of an extent. a DWI is far worse than jay-walking, but it does play into the negotiations.
Lucky for Stallworth that he's rich and the Reyes's are probably.......not.
This was a predictable end to a bad situation. Our system actually did what it's supposed to do, which is to reach an acceptable end to a bad situation for all parties.
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I think the family was more interested in the money compensation then any time DS would do. By agreeing to this settlement they assure themselves of some sort of money compensation where as if they had taken him to a civil court for wrongful death they may not have won given that Reyes wasn't crossing a busy divided highway in the proper crosswalk. Hopefully part of DS's 1000 community hours is to talk to people about the dangers of drinking and driving.
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Mike Vick got a lot more jail time for killing some dogs. ::shrug::
Vick didn't get time just because of animal cruelty. Vick did a lot of time because it is a Federal offense to promote competitive dog fighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting it across state lines.
If Vick was just mean to dogs, he would have gotten some community service, maybe probation, but not much.
But when you violate Federal laws, you are going to get punished.
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Oh I understand all that. But when you have a 14 year old at home making the same point I did.. it's not as easy to explain how you do less time for killing a dog than a human being.
The answer that it's a federal crime makes the kid think something is a bit screwy dontcha think?
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plus Vick had no one to pay off like DS did .. the financial ramifications of this case were the driving motivation for the family .. nothing that happend was going to bring there loved one back and my guess is they lost there primary earner ....
I don't agree with toad about the cuplability part .. my opinion is the family wanted gauranteed money now as opposed to waiting for the criminal trial to end, to set up the civil trial and then waiting for all the appeals in the civil suit to be proccessed and heard ... is that feasible .. is that how it works with civil trials??? ..
but i do agree that the system actually worked in this case to get the best possible results out of an AWFUL AWFUL SITUATION for both parties ...
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I get what you're saying. Just tell the 14 year old that it's Florida, so everything is screwy.
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Mike Vick got a lot more jail time for killing some dogs. ::shrug::
Vick didn't get time just because of animal cruelty. Vick did a lot of time because it is a Federal offense to promote competitive dog fighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting it across state lines.
If Vick was just mean to dogs, he would have gotten some community service, maybe probation, but not much.
But when you violate Federal laws, you are going to get punished.
Didn't Vick get nailed for the illegal gambiling too?
I wonder if Roger Goodell will suspend Stallworth now.
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he pled guilty to killing someone with alchohol in him .. ya ... its pretty safe to say that will get a suspension ... only question is how long of one will he get ..
i wonder how long it will be and if we'll cut him ..
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I thinkt he real question is how do we save face enough to NOT cut him?
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The browns do not have to cut him. I think they were prepaired to cut him and go on without him. Why else would they double up on widereceivers in the draft and bring in the vets. IMO, the question now is how is the contract worded. In the end, its about business. Then next question is what kind of suspension will the NFL hand out. 30 days in jail and he is out- does that mean he can return to football?? Who would have thought that he would be able to report to training camp this year? I could certainly be wrong, but i think suspended players have been allowed to participate in camp and then the preseason. Didn't Henry do that with the bengals?? Stallworth might be able to contribute this season and i would have never thought that was possible several months ago.
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I think the other side of this, is that clearly it was a mistake/accident at the end of the day, and I don't think Stallworth is going to screw up like this again. I don't think he's a danger to society.
He does a lot more for society if he owns up and does community service (1000 hours is quite a bit), and continues on with his career, than he does if he sits in a jail cell doing nothing.
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I think the other side of this, is that clearly it was a mistake/accident at the end of the day, and I don't think Stallworth is going to screw up like this again. I don't think he's a danger to society.
He does a lot more for society if he owns up and does community service (1000 hours is quite a bit), and continues on with his career, than he does if he sits in a jail cell doing nothing.
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More importantly, the family seems content with the outcome of the trial.
I bet he gets suspended 2-4 games and we keep him. He's not a media nightmare like Vick. He made a gigantic mistake, owned up, is making it right with the family, will serve his time and will want to get on with his life as a football player. I won't boo him or wish him off "my" team.
At the end of the day, his job is to catch footballs for the Cleveland Browns. If he can do that, I'll be happy.
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At the end of the day, a family could drag it through court for years trying to get a big settlement out of it, which most will go to lawyers, and prolong their suffering, and possibly financial struggles while going through court.
Sometimes you need to just realize life is short and precious, and any one of us can be gone at any time. If they offer a decent settlement up front, take it and move on with life.
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I was thinking it would be an 8 game suspension....4 at the least. The league won't want the black eye of people thinking he got off to easy.
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Mike Vick got a lot more jail time for killing some dogs. ::shrug::
Vick didn't get time just because of animal cruelty. Vick did a lot of time because it is a Federal offense to promote competitive dog fighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting it across state lines.
If Vick was just mean to dogs, he would have gotten some community service, maybe probation, but not much.
But when you violate Federal laws, you are going to get punished.
Didn't Vick get nailed for the illegal gambiling too?
I wonder if Roger Goodell will suspend Stallworth now.
He did jail time for the gambling ring, not for killing dogs.
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He did jail time for the gambling ring, not for killing dogs.
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/070824/vickplea.pdf
Thats a copy of the actual plea papers. Vick was charged with and pleaded guilty of
"Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture in Violation of Title 18 United States Code Section 371"
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I think Stallworth is getting 2 years house arrest as well. Now that (while not jail) would totally suck. I go crazy on rainy days being at home, much less months of being at home all the time.
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U want to boil this down to Vick killed dogs and Donte killed a person .. its not nearly that simple ..
Donte made a mistake and had a lapse in judgement by getting behind the wheel of a car after drinking .. unfortunately that bad decision ultimately resulted in an ACCIDENT that ended someones life ...
Vick is an entirely different story .. not going to get into it here .. but what he did was not just a mistake in judgement that led to an ACCIDENT that ended in some dead dogs ..
HUGE DIFFERENCE ..
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arent rainy days the best days to stay home?
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The Miami Herald reported that Stallworth was immediately taken into custody and that after he gets out he will serve two years of house arrest followed by eight years of probation, according to his plea deal. He will also lose his driving privleges for life and have to perform 1,000 hours of community service.
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Our legal system is out of whack.
I don't think Stallworth should get life or anything like that, but 30 days? Seriously? People go to jail longer than that for getting into a fight that isn't premeditated.
This proves that enough money can get you out of anything.
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Makes you even more curious now to find out what Burress is going to get for shooting himself.
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He did jail time for the gambling ring, not for killing dogs.
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/070824/vickplea.pdf
Thats a copy of the actual plea papers. Vick was charged with and pleaded guilty of
"Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture in Violation of Title 18 United States Code Section 371"
I'm really not trying to split hairs here, but you have to break it down more:
First, he was charged with Conspiracy, which is an agreement to do something in the future. So it doesn't even mention that he's killed a dog according to the language of the charge.
Next is the Commerce Clause which gives Congress power to create the criminal law.
Most importantly, it was sponsoring a dog in a dog-fighting ring, not killing a dog.
So it was an illegal interstate economic activity that he was prosecuted for, not for actually killing a dog, which IIRC would be up to prosecution by the State of Virginia rather than the feds.
Don't get me wrong, Vick is a complete scumbag, but his charge in front of a federal court for a multistate crime is different than Stallworth's charge in state court for a DUI manslaughter.
Don't get me wrong here as well. I think Stallworth is also a scumbag. I think a lot of it comes down to the mens rea difference as well. This is something that Vick was planning and putting on. There was definitely a level of intent involved with Vick's crime. Stallworth on the other hand did not intend to kill. He was a complete idiot to do what he did, but it was to more of a reckless degree hence the difference between manslaughter and murder.
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Not to mention Stallworths situation was a one time accident and not a criminal conspiracy perpetrated over a extended period of time.
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The Miami Herald reported that Stallworth was immediately taken into custody and that after he gets out he will serve two years of house arrest followed by eight years of probation, according to his plea deal. He will also lose his driving privleges for life and have to perform 1,000 hours of community service.
cnn.com mentions that he will still be able to play football during the house arrest time.... probably something about work privileges or something:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/16/florida.nfl.player.plea/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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Thanks...I had heard that but never saw anything concrete.
Add in the monetary agreement with the family which I have heard is 3-5 mil plus 10% of his future football earnings and he is in for a tough go.
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It would also suck to not be able to drive ever again.
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It's been quite apparent to me for a long time that there are two different justice systems operating in this country.
1. Haves
2. Have nots
If you have plenty of money you can hire a team of attorneys, experts in all sorts of fields and have the sufficient firepower to overwhelm local (not federal) prosecution. With those cards you can also negotiate when you want to show up for jail and hand yourself over to authorities, how long you want to serve and how much you want to pay for restitution to the vicitms of your crime.
In the rare instances of these people actually going to court you have a decent chance of being absolved altogether.
In the Have not world you're basically cattle in the slaughter house with justice metted swiftly and harshly.
Now to Stallworth...I like that the family and him agreed to settle out of court for some money to provide some solace. I'm not happy that he serves 30 days in jail. Why not zero if you're going to make him serve 30? Thirty days isn't enough for reflection in my opinion.
Two years in his house (mansion) (which one) ... can someone reveal how that's tough?
Bottom line....if I'm behind that wheel I'm in jail, and in jail for a long time, and that civil case will wipe me clean out. Stallworth...30 days in jail to read a half dozen books, hand over 20% of my net worth, lounge in my mansion for a couple years. Negligible life imapct.
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Yep, money is power. I think it is bs that he only gets 30 days. If one of us did that we're going away for awhile. I'm mad at Stallworth for putting himself into this situation, but I'm not mad at him for getting the 30 days. I'm mad at the courts for this. Most of all, I blame the victims family. They saw the dollar signs and went for it. 
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Most of all, I blame the victims family.
They saw the dollar signs and went for it.
What else are you going to do at this point, though? You either accept reality, and do whatever you can to replace the earnings of (what I assume was) the family's breadwinner...or what? Try and get the guy thrown in jail for a long time out of anger?
Another poster in the thread said it best -- the guy isn't a dangerous threat to society...
I hope the family got a decent settlement, and I hope Stallworth puts those 1,000 hours to good use.
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I just don't understand how you could possibly think of money as being more important than your loved one. If someone did that to a member of my family, I don't want their money, I want their behind in prison for as long as possible.
What I get out of this is, the family goes yeah, Mario is gone but we could get millions but Stallworth only sits in jail for a month. Hell why not. Give us the cash. Thanks Donte.
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I understand what you are saying Held...but come on...some people can afford a Corolla, some a 500 class Mercedes.
Here is the bottom line in all of this...I bet the Reyes family is much happier dad bounced off a NFL players car than a Taco Bell cooks car.
I am not trying to make a joke, or be smug.....just saying.
In light of all the facts that have been presented, Donte is spending 10x the normal amount for a 1st time DUI...and paying a pretty stiff penalty for a guy who wasn't paying attention and just ran out in to a busy highway.
Had he not been DUI...nothing would have been brought against him, so one has to keep things in perspective.
Stallworth is paying a dear price for a accident that wasn't his fault, and the plea accepted by the judge reflects it wasn't his fault. If it was his fault, all the money in the world wouldn't do him any good.
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Why...to be vengeful??
To be honest...I would rather have their money or have them paying my family the money if I was the one plowed down..especially in a case like this where there wasn't any intent to harm anybody....accidents happen....and what I gather, the biggest factor in the accident was this guy darting out across a busy 4 lane highway.
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1. Haves
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In some "advanced" countries, money can get you off scott-free.......and that isn't saying any of that money goes to the victims or their families.
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I'm not happy that he serves 30 days in jail. Why not zero if you're going to make him serve 30? Thirty days isn't enough for reflection in my opinion.
Likely the minimum mandatory sentence handed out for whatever charge he's going to plead guilty to, but that's just a guess.
I would agree that 30 days in what's going to likely be a county jail isn't enough time for "reflection" but the flipside is that no amount of time is going to be enough to dispell the memory that his action took the life of another man. To that end, 30 years may not be enough time for proper "reflection."
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Two years in his house (mansion) (which one) ... can someone reveal how that's tough?
It's not the time spent in his house, but rather the time he can't spend doing what he wants which is the tough part. Is it actually "tough"? Only in terms of being told where to be and when to be there. The toughest part to me lie's in the fact that if he's caught drinking or going to a bar he'll spend God knows how long behind bars, lose huge sums of money and playing time from the Browns, and may see the end of his career.
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Bottom line....if I'm behind that wheel I'm in jail, and in jail for a long time, and that civil case will wipe me clean out.
Rule #1 in the Universe as it pertains to us: Life isn't fair.
You'd end up in jail for a long time, and he'd still be dead. However, as a provider, he took care of the financial needs of that family. While you're in jail, they are trying to figure out how to pay for food, water, and maintain a roof over their heads. With Stallworth spending less time in jail, that family won't have to worry about that problem.
It's not a perfect system, but it's the best one that exists, and represents the best of a bad situation.
I know where you're coming from, but like everything in this life, it's not black-and-white, but various shades of grey. Stallworth may get off easy in terms of jailtime, but he'll never forget that he killed a man because of his own stupidity. Forgetting everything else, that's a lifetime sentence of regret right there which will remain as long as his mind is awake. I'd trade 5 years of jail-time if I could be guaranteed that I'd be allowed to forget what happened.
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On that note.. since people are "trying to teach me" that this is a different thing than Stallworth.. apples and oranges.. well, no kidding. If you read thru what I was trying to convey, you'd realize I was showing that there ARE going to be some people that are going to question this and use another NFL player like Vick and ask about the inequity of the sentencing.
Of course Vick was actively engaged in his illegal enterprise and of course Stallworth had we call a bad morning.. it doesn't do any of the victims canine or human any good now does it?
I will note that had it been me and my 5 figure salary that hit this Reyes guy, I'd be in jail for 20 years.
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