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Bucks almost helped us out...But blew it...

Here comes our toughest Back to Back all year...Orlando on the road with the Magic resting tonight...

Hopefully we get outta Washington with no delays...

Let the Home Stretch commence!!!!!!!!!!!


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don't care how we do it, but we just gotta put the wizards away.

as far as tomorrow goes, i don't care about back to backs, and all that. we have the best back to back record in the league, especially on the second night. so it's no excuse. we just gotta go in there tomorrow and win. and show the basketball world we're serious

i'm gonna have to dvr the game, i actually have a hockey game that starts at a decent hour. so ill be having beers and waching it, and fast forwarding through all the crap tomorrow.

this game has little importance in terms of seeding, because i think we're already a lock, but this win would be nice to keep the streak going and really make us look scary. and i think we're all sick of the 2-5 thing.

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this game has little importance in terms of seeding, because i think we're already a lock




NO WAY r we a lock for League Court...Not even close...Conf???...Yeah...

The Wiz tonight is one of those MUST WINS...Expect to win And WIN...

We aren't even close to knockin' off League Home Court yet...Not when we MUST finish with a better record cause that 0-2...We're close...But it ain't happenin' yet...


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I agree DinD... Nothing is done yet... A lot of things can happen, especially with 4 road games left...

The guys just have to stay focused and hungry.. If we do that, everything will fall into place....

I'm surprised no one in these threads has talked about our lack of turnovers lately...


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sorry guys, i don't see the cavs losing 3 games the rest of the way, and that's assuming the lakers run their schedule.

it's a lock.

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I just dont like this game tonight with the Wizbangs.


The wizards have nothing to play for but to ruin our season and I dont mean by winning.


I dont want to see LBJ at all in the 2nd half.

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sorry guys, i don't see the cavs losing 3 games the rest of the way, and that's assuming the lakers run their schedule.

it's a lock.




The only "lock" is when you hold the key,...

I'm not too awful worried about these next three,...The Wiz is eliminated, Orlando is Orlando, sometimes they show up.

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home court or not, if we don't stiffen up inside we aren't going anywhere..i think it will be close but we'll get home. but i do see 3 potential losses with orlando SA and boston, plus washington always plays us hard and we got them twice. So i don't think its a lock quite yet, but i wouldn't bet against us getting HCA


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sorry guys, i don't see the cavs losing 3 games the rest of the way, and that's assuming the lakers run their schedule.

it's a lock.




We keep playing the way we are and the only lock is that we WILL lose at least three more.
We are playing like absolute crap right now.


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Pretty painful, indeed.

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As poor as they've played, they are waking up in the 4th, as they have been doing as of late.

Down by only 1 now.

Hopefully they don't make it this tough in the playoffs.


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Well, that's the problem here,...this should not have even been a contest, but maybe you need to lose one once in a while.

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this will be a loss, against the wizards..sigh...i predict we will finish 1 game back for HCA.. i didn't really expect us to get it handed to us by this excuse of an NBA team. the book to beat us in playoffs is out...its called go inside against a 7 ft 3 center that has a 2 inch vertical and can't dunk...lol, seriously we make the most average big men look like surefire HOF..haywood, songalia, mcgee? blatche...seriously..hopefully they wake up...i think MB waited too long to put andy back in. gibson needs upgraded and we need another big that can dunk in traffic...i think the rest of the pieces are there


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Well, short-lived.... Falling back again.

The damn Wizards again. WTH?


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sad...very sad...cavs are looking ahead..not playing one game at a time anymore..that shot by lebron after the missed free throw summed up the night...they didn't take advantage of a very weak wizards D and just settled all night...christ if west can carve the d..you think maybe you could too lebron..we have to win tomorrow against orlando. I'm pretty sure this wasnt a game that on the schedule as a potential loss..i hope we blow them out when they come to the Q by 40 and Jent ends up suiting up for the second half just so they know this win was a fluke


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I think I mentioned this in the other thread ... I knew this game would be a problem. The Wizards always show up to play against us (mini-rivalry), and they were bringing back quite a few people from injury. When healthy, this team is a LOT better than their record, and unfortunatly we sort of played down to them as if they were the Clippers. That said, I thought the officiating was horrible.

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Ouch, that cushion we had over LA could evaporate in this back to back.

Terrible game tonight. Nothing more really needs to be said.

No reason to dwell on this one with Orlando tomorrow. Hopefully they come ready to play.

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no biggie. washington played a great game, it was their super bowl, their chance at redemption, if you want to call it that, it just stinks that we won't be handing them a blasting in the playoffs for the 4th straight year.

i'm not panicking though, i still have a good feeling about tomorrow. i think the bad taste left in their mouth tonight will bode well for tomorrow.

orlando has a bad taste in their mouths too. should be a good one.

don't panic guys, it's their first loss in a month.

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The runouts that the wizards had absolutely killed them. The defense let them down tonight.

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I'm only posting these stats because I said I would. I understand that late in the game he had to take the threes, and he made half of them. I thought he played well and drove early. My one problem is with 1:25 left in the fourth, down 4, instead of going inside for high percentage shot in the paint and possible foul, he took a 27 foot three pointer and missed. could have made it a one possession game but went for the long ball.

Lebron's paint vs. outside.

In the paint: 5 of 6 (with one "and one") for 11 points: 1.83 pts/shot
outside: 6 of 12 (which is great for him) for 16 points: 1.33 pts/shot

In addition, he was fouled 3 other times driving to the hoop for four points.

If he had driven on those 12 shots he'd have ended up with six more points - hypothetically, of course, with the acknowledgment that that would be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. We lost by eight.

But again, like last game, he shoots outside 2:1 when it should be the other way around. This game is kind of skewed though because he had to shoot threes at the end.

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Just a quick question for some of you guys that are more knowledgable about basketball than I do.

When is picking up a dribble and taking three steps on the way to the shooting the ball not traveling?

I ask this because LeBron's "crab dribble" incident earlier this season in Washington was ruled a travel. After rewatching the clip, I don't see any difference between that, Songaila's drive with around two minutes left, and Nick Young's drive close to the end of the game.

Three steps and a lay-up.

Just looking for some more info on the subject.


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2 steps is right...3 and it's a walk...

Guys walk every night and don't get called...They also Carry and it rarely gets called...


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here is a good article on traveling int he NBA.

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The enormous flat-screen TV on the wall of Joe Borgia's office is showing a moment of the 2005 Christmas day game. The Miami Heat's Dwyane Wade catches the ball on the right wing, eyes up his defender, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant, and plows into the lane.

We're on a high floor on Fifth Avenue, at the NBA's headquarters, where Borgia is the Vice President of Referee Operations. After controversy involving a travel call on LeBron James and his crab dribble, the ensuing commentary made clear that while basketball fans and journalists may be upset about how NBA referees do or don't call travels, very few of us really understand the NBA's actual traveling rule.

The written rule is far more complicated than you -- or indeed most NBA players -- would expect. And some digging has revealed that the way it's actually called in games is far more complicated than that.

Borgia oversees the referees and tells them how to enforce this and all NBA rules. We're watching TV together, so Borgia can tell me what is and is not an NBA travel.

Wade makes a body fake for the baseline, freezing Bryant for an instant, then drives hard for the middle, where Bryant guides Wade into a helping teammate.

One of the NBA's great genies, it appears, has been bottled.

But no!

Still moving at warp speed, Wade picks up his dribble while spinning hard on his right leg. The move neatly tucks Bryant away from the play, while opening Wade a seam to the hoop. Ball in hand, he storms the opening with first one big step, onto his left foot, and another, onto his right. Then, while a foul is called, he finally elevates and shoots.

Traveling in the NBA
Traveling in the NBA:
A TrueHoop Investigation
Perhaps the most fundamental rule of basketball is under fire. TrueHoop digs in.
(Source image by Andrew D. Bernstein NBAE/Getty Images)

• 1: Introduction: A basic rule, yet a mystery.
• 2: NBA Executive: "We really don't reference the rulebook."
• 3: NBA players on video: What's the rule?
• 4: Why traveling is tough to call.
• 5: Rewrite the rule.

In real time, the whole thing takes less than a second, and it's hard to tell what happens. But Borgia has referee eyes, and sees after one quick viewing that this is a case of a player gathering the ball and then taking two steps and shooting.

"I don't see a travel," says Borgia. "He gathers the ball, and then he gets a one-two."

The same play appears in slow motion. At this speed, however, it's clear Wade's spin included a simultaneous hop. That's a moving pivot foot -- which should be called a travel every time.

Seeing that, Borgia allows, this is certainly one of many travel calls that are missed in any NBA season, but this isn't one that he'll lose sleep over. "If you can see that in real time," he says, "God bless you."

Two Steps?
A couple of weeks later, I call Borgia again. I have this article half-written. I have spent quality time with the NBA's rulebook, video clips, and a number of interviews. I have learned a ton. But there's one key point -- the biggest point of all, as it happens -- on which things remain fuzzy.

In that play, Wade clearly picks up the ball and then takes two steps. But the NBA rulebook, and a hundred million basketball fans around the globe, insist players ought to get only one step after picking up their dribble like that.

Yet Borgia was ready to give him -- and every other player -- two steps in that situation.

In the conversation that follows, Borgia unravels one of the NBA's great secrets.

"We really don't reference the rulebook."
Disgust. For many of basketball's fans, that's the main reaction to seeing today's NBA players cover great distances -- sometimes almost all the way from the 3-point line to the rim -- without dribbling the ball.

"It's very blatant now," says Walt "Clyde" Frazier. One of the greatest point guards in NBA history, Frazier is also, as a Knick team broadcaster, a close observer of today's game. "They go twenty feet to the hoop without dribbling one time. This is what they are getting away with nowadays. Some of them are so obvious. You'll hear me on the broadcast saying 'That's a travel! Watch the feet!' Wilt [Chamberlain] would have averaged 100 points a game if they had let him do that."

Frazier speaks for multitudes who are convinced that when it comes to traveling, referees nowadays ignore the rulebook almost entirely.

Shockingly, Borgia -- the man in charge of telling referees what is and is not a travel -- admits that referees are instructed, by him and others, to ignore one part of the NBA's written traveling rule.

"We really don't reference the rulebook," says Borgia. Where the rulebook says Wade, in our example, has to shoot or pass after taking just one step, Borgia says NBA referees work with the rule of thumb that such players are entitled to two steps.

Without wanting to be identified, other NBA officials confirm that there is an age-old schism in basketball that is only now coming to light. The rulebook says one step, and vocal fans have long insisted it stay that way -- in keeping with every other level of the game. Yet for as long as anyone can remember, NBA referees have operated with the direction to allow players to take two steps after picking up a dribble, or catching the ball on the run.

A New Rule to Replace a Confusing One
Borgia is hoping to end the schism. He recently drafted a new rule legalizing the second step. "I wrote a version," he says, "and I put it out there." He is waiting to see if "the people upstairs" will embrace the change.

Borgia claims the current rule is so confusing that it's impossible to tell if it allows one step or two. The suspicion is that the NBA ignores the rule to inspire exciting offensive players to create great moments. Borgia insists the rule is ignored simply because its intent is lost in a tangle of legalistic terminology.

The key part of the traveling rule has not changed in more than a half century. It is dense and nuanced, for something that describes one of the most basic elements of basketball. (Blazer rookie Greg Oden's proposed re-write, after reading the rule: "If you take a dribble, and you're moving ... that's a travel.")

But the rule is also clear on the key point: A running player who picks up his dribble, or catches a pass, with a foot on the floor, gets one more step before he must shoot or pass.

The key part of the NBA's official rule is as follows:

A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. The first count occurs:

(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultaneously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.

The second occurs:

(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.

The first count clearly occurs "as he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor." Picture Wade, at the free throw line. He has his foot on the floor as he gathers the ball. He then gets just one more count before having to get rid of the ball. He instead was granted two -- plus a missed moving pivot foot.

Two steps, the current status quo, clearly ought to be outlawed, or the rule changed.

Instead there is confusion. "The book," Borgia says, "possibly could be interpreted differently from what actually happens. You could read it so that it's almost like you're allowed one. If you interpret it that way, right. That's where we're having an issue."

What's clear, however, is that NBA referees have long been instructed by the League that two steps are allowed.

"Forever, as long as I can remember, a player has been allowed two steps," says Borgia, whose father was an NBA referee for the league's first two decades, and then a referee supervisor. "I've never heard anything other than that. ... Everyone in the world knows you're allowed two steps."

A New Permissiveness?
Borgia's new version of the rule would allow two steps, and he doesn't even think the NBA's rules committee will need to see it. "We're not really making a rule change," he says. "We're just trying to write the rule that makes sense."

Borgia's position is supported by a cursory examination of video. Highlights show everyone from Bob Cousy to Magic Johnson taking two steps after gathering the ball off the dribble or catch. What's harder to look up, however, is vintage footage of players getting called for travels.

There are several reasons why two steps today might look worse than two steps in the 1960s. For instance:

* Players have gotten bigger, stronger, and faster through the years, and appear to have grown more aggressive in using their allotted two steps to full maximum advantage. For many NBA players, two steps are all that's needed to get from just inside the 3-point line all the way to rim.
* Players are employing strategies to maximize the effect of two steps. Rather than simply taking an extra step on a layup, now it's common to see players like Manu Ginobili or LeBron James change direction once or twice -- eluding defenders -- without dribbling. The League is essentially telling players with this mentality that they need not dribble as they drive through the defense.
* Thanks to League Pass and DVRs every NBA play is now subject to intense scrutiny for violations of any kind. The worst of them make their way to YouTube. A feeling emerges that referees might be in decline. But are they? Or are they merely subject to new scrutiny?

Frazier does not discount those effects, but is not buying that as the whole story. He insists that the NBA consciously allowed scorers more leeway as a reaction to the ugly, low-scoring, defense-oriented basketball that thrived in the early 1990s, especially under Pat Riley and assistant coach Dick Harter in New York.

"When guys couldn't put up points, about when they changed the hand-check rule, they made things easier for scorers, because these players can't shoot like we did," says Frazier. "Those few years when the Knicks were good -- that wasn't pretty basketball."

I ask if he thinks it was a deliberate strategy on the part of the league. "Yes," says Frazier. "Making it easier for scorers." Frazier sees it as an affront: "If I'm a defensive player, it's hard to stop NBA stars from scoring. I have pride in what I'm doing. Why give the offensive player even more of an advantage? You're going to allow him to do that? How am I supposed to stop him now?"

This is a variation of the common complaint that referees will allow superstars today to get away with traveling on the way to the hoop. Dr. Jack Ramsay, a recent member of the NBA's rules committee and a leading voice for speeding up and opening up the game, says many aspects of the traveling rule are not called consistently -- a particular beef of his is seeing players come off a screen, catch a pass, and take steps before coming to a stop.

But superstar treatment, he insists, is as old as the hills, and if anything has declined.

"That has been going on forever," says Ramsay. "I think that, in fact, that's becoming less the case than it used to be. I remember Chet Walker. You remember him? I had him out at a kids' camp in the Poconos, years ago, as a guest. He was showing them how he did his move. And he'd fake with his right foot. Then he'd pick up his left foot, crossover, and then dribble. I said 'Chet, that's a walk.' He said 'that's my move!' He was allowed to do it his entire career. And he moved both feet before he started dribbling!"

It Starts Young
Borgia says he can prove that players taking two steps on the way to the hoop is not some scourge of the NBA -- but is instead simply the global norm in basketball, which some people don't want to accept.

"Take a video camera and go to any high school game you want," he beseeches critics. "Film it, and then go home and watch it in slow motion. I won't bet the ranch -- we're not allowed to bet anymore -- I would say that there is a high probability that they're going to take two normal steps after they gather the ball."

Borgia says he has done this same exercise watching classic NBA basketball players like Pete Maravich, and he's wholly satisfied that there's nothing new about allowing two steps. "The normal, basic layup, eighty percent of the time the player is going to gather the ball with a foot on the floor, and then we give them a one, two.

"I teach little kids basketball. We say OK stand here. Take one step, layup. When you're dealing with six, seven, eight-year-olds, you stand at the basket and say take one step. Then you say OK, you made it five times, take another step back and one, two, one two. Then you go to the dribble. It's as basic as I can ever remember."

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they've done a decent job of cracking down on it, but it still happens. i saw dwyane wade take 5 steps earlier this year in a game, i'm not even joking or trying to sugar coat it. dude took 5 steps, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. it was ridiculous.

i think this all started with jordan. he took 3-4 steps all the time, but the problem was, their ratings were through the roof, probably the best ever. so i'm sure that the nba had the refs turn their head somewhat. and that has lingered to today. although the last few years they have cracked down. lebron gets called for traveling, despite what fans of other team think, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt every time. z gets called for it at least 1-2 times a game.

wade, kobe, lebron, pierce. durant. they all do it.

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I think a big part of the traveling misunderstanding revolves around the fact that most people don't understand that picking up your dribble occurs once you've regained control of the ball, not when you release the ball to bounce it off the floor and back to your hand. The one-two rhythm doesn't begin until the ball is back in control of the player.

A guy like Lebron who is both fast and tall could, on a fast break for example, easily put the ball on the court for the final time as his left foot hits at the top of the key. He collects the dribble right before his right foot hits, probably a foot or two in front of the foul line, given his momentum and the length of his stride. Left foot hits the court, again in stride, somewhere between the circle and the restricted area, he jumps off the left foot and makes a dunk. 16 feet of court covered, no travel. But so many people see that step taken before he gathers the dribble as being the "first step" when in reality its not.

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J/C regarding last nites game...

I get the feeling that due to the recent succesful road experiences, the team seems to think that coming back from double digit deficits and winning on the road is just a common thing..

hopefully they learn from that, as mentally, they need to know that "flipping the switch" ain't so easy all the time...

I saw LB come out very "relaxed," and as usual, the team followed his lead... The Wiz made no bones about it, this was a very big game for them.. And that translated on the court as they (and I rarely say this) wanted it more than we did..

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I had gotten used to seeing them come back and get these games,...it was becoming easy. They cut it to (one I think) as late as 4-5 minutes to go, then let off the gas, mostly on defense. I'm not gonna whack out if they don't get HCA,...I'm more apt to bet the Lakers fail in Round 2 or the Conf Finals,....

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Hubie's right, our transition D has been pathetic the last 2 days.

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As usual, with Orlando, you can't miss long jumpers or it turns into a damn fast break and we can't locate the shooters....

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Can someone tell me why the Cavs are wearing yellow uni's? Thanks.


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So, what are we going to do here......work our tails off the entire season and blow te #1 overall seed in the playoffs the last 10 games?

Playing like absolute CRAP right now. No ball movement on offense and completely mediocre effort on D.

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Throwbacks.

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Thanks. So, when did the colors change?


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So, what are we going to do here......work our tails off the entire season and blow te #1 overall seed in the playoffs the last 10 games?

Playing like absolute CRAP right now. No ball movement on offense and completely mediocre effort on D.




Yeah, this is a mess tonite...

Although there is a long way to go tonite, this looks like that in both our trips down to Orlando that we get run outta the gym...

This team has not given us any reason to think that we can win IN Orlando or Boston, period.

Orlando is a good team, and they have dominated us in ALL aspects of the game in both contests in FL...


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this team needs to stop worrying about the #1 seed, because the team i've seen the last couple games are going to lose in the first round...Z is so damn soft its not funny...love the guy and all he's been through but i don't think he is a very good center..he's about 5 inches too tall, should have been a 4, we let journeyman players score with the greatest of ease around the basket. i said this about 3 months or so ago. It would not suprise me 1 bit if orlando won the east. This game is pretty much over, good thing we have some home games coming up because we look terrible so far...Brown's rotations as of late have me scratching my head..i know he's trying to find his playoff rotations..i sure hope to god these aren't it


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Thanks. So, when did the colors change?




http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/history/logo_uniform_history.html

That should explain it better than I can.

EDIT: Painful first half, it could be a Grand Theft auto night if things don't turn around soon.

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A lot of the rotation issues are match-up based (Boobie not playin in the first half due to size and defense issues)... That, and MB is trying to give guys (especially Wally and Sasha) a chance to really lock up a spot in the rotation.. The problem is simple.. NONE of our bench wing players have consistently played well all year, thus never cementing a rotation...


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This is just embarrassing, down by 34. We don't stand a chance in the playoffs is this keeps up.

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The Cavs are down by 34 POINTS.

Wow is all I can say. We have looked absolutely terrible the last 2 nights.

The well coached teams know that if you can stop LBJ from getting into the lane, all you have to do to beat the Cavs is stay and pray the jumpers are not falling.

We are not going to last long in the playoffs if we rely on perimeter shooting.




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