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the problem isn't what Jeannie thinks of BQ its what the rest of the league thinks of DA that is the problem here ..

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And while people love to tout the fact that McDaniels wanted Quinn because he respects Charlie Weis's opinion so much, Mangini was on the same staff and he apparently thinks nothing of Weis's appraisal and values Romeo's council more.

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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!

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the problem isn't what Jeannie thinks of BQ its what the rest of the league thinks of DA that is the problem here ..

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This thought process only means that BQ can still be gone if Mangini puts stockpiling picks as a higher priority than retaining BQ. In other words, what others think of DA shouldn't drive a decision on BQ if they believe he is "the guy". Because retaining "the guy" would be priority number one regardless of DA.

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A Friday report in the Chicago Sun-Times (as echoed by the Cleveland Plain Dealer) points out that the Browns fell out of the chase for quarterback Jay Cutler because Cutler didn’t want to play for new Browns coach Eric Mangini.

But that’s not quite how we think it happened.

Some league insiders are speculating that the guy who slammed the door on Cutler-to-Cleveland was agent Bus Cook, who represented quarterback Brett Favre during his season with Mangini in New York.

Though it might technically be accurate that Cutler didn’t want to play for Mangini, it likely happened (in our opinion) only after Cook poisoned the well by sharing with Cutler horror stories (true, false, or somewhere in between) about Mangini.

And so we believe that Cook will continue to hover like a helicopter parent (I know one when I see one because I fully intend to be one) over Cutler’s career in Chicago, with Cook constantly looking to insinuate himself into the process.

Especially with Cook undoubtedly wanting Cutler, who’s due to make little more than $1 million this year, to get a new contract.

In this regard, Cutler and Cook now have plenty of leverage. With the Bears giving up so much for Cutler, they need to keep him happy in order to get the most out of the deal.

And count on Cook to remind them of that fact — repeatedly — until they break the bank for their new quarterback.

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the guy who slammed the door on Cutler-to-Cleveland was agent Bus Cook, who represented quarterback Brett Favre during his season with Mangini in New York

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IMHO, this is Exactly what happened! Bus Cook gave his personal "Up Yours!" to Mangenious! Saying that Cutler didn't want to play for us makes no sense, because it was supposed to be a 3-way deal, meaning that he would be going to Another team (purported to be the Redskins). He would not even See Mangini!!! JMHO Go Brownies!!!!

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have fun running your mouth(s) now .. cause BQ IS HERE TO STAY no matter how much u guys don't want to believe it ..

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The 3-way trade looked as if Quinn was going to Denver, and Cutler to Washington. If that's the case, I'm not sure where they're getting these reports.

If it was a straight up trade between us and Denver, I'm glad we were turned down. Chicago paid dearly for a QB. I would have been quite ticked off had we given up Quinn and 2 firsts.

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the problem isn't what Jeannie thinks of BQ its what the rest of the league thinks of DA that is the problem here ..


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This thought process only means that BQ can still be gone if Mangini puts stockpiling picks as a higher priority than retaining BQ. In other words, what others think of DA shouldn't drive a decision on BQ if they believe he is "the guy". Because retaining "the guy" would be priority number one regardless of DA.

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I agree it is a shame. Many on here try to diminish Cutler's talent. Like him or not, the guy is one of the best in the league. The media paints a story of a cry baby, yet listening to Denver fans on the radio, they seemed pissed that Cutler was leaving. He carried that team last year, their defense was putrid and on offense he was it.

Chicago just got their QB for the next 5-6 years at least. Denver got a lot in return, but I doubt with any of those picks, they will draft a player of Cutler's ability.

IMO if we trade BQ now, it better be for a lot. Everyone has their opinion of him, but he has talent and was a 1st round pick. Funny how other teams draft a first round QB and let him PLAY to prove his worth, while here in Cleveland he is judged on people's wims. It's just like those who said Flacco wouldn't succeed and that the Ravens were coddling him so he could succeed. IMO he proved that he could play, and at times led that team to wins. I think Quinn can do it too, but too many fans believe they know more than coaches and GM's.

I'm with Diam in believing that once Quinn plays, all the crap that has been made up about his abilities will disappear. I also believe that anyone who still thinks DA will be on this team at TC is fooling themselves.

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Great post.

I feel like I'm in the minority since I thought everyone but me felt McDaniels pulled the wool over everyone's eyes. I'd hate to be a Broncos fan right now. That type of move they just made would really test my loyalty to the team. Who else is glad we didn't hire McDaniels? You out there Deep?

I think there is an outside chance that DA is on the team come training camp, but that we will make every attempt to get him moved. And it all comes down to compensation. Will we panic and take less than we want? We may just stick with him. Quinn wins the comp and DA is the backup. Could be worse situations to be in.

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Chicago just got their QB for the next 5-6 years at least.

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the medai caused this???? *LOL* .. WOW ... thats beyond ludicrous .. i can't believe anyone could actually believe that .. WOW ..

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do to ALL the circumstances surronding the QB situation there is lots of WRONG INFO BEING PASSED AROUND ... the circumstances inclue ...

the LACK OF INFO coming out of Berea on anything .. this has led to specualtion that this regime is not "enamored" with BQ ... WELL BS ... that is just folks trying to create a story where there is none ..

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the fact we said that there will be a comp ... even though this is clearly just to try and create a false WORTH on our part to drive up DA's value in a trade ...

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so when i said that ... what i was saying is that if DA had the value of a 2nd rnd pick he would ALL READY BE GONE ... then all this crap about BQ would GO AWAY ...

it has nuttin to do with anything else .. just that if we could get what i believe we want for DA he'd ALL READY BE GONE and all the NONSENSE WOULD STOP ..

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You believe ..... but that doesn't necessarily make it so. It could just as well be that they can't get what they want for Quinn .... or for either guy ..... and that the "nonsense" won't end until either Quinn is, or both guys are gone.


Sorry bud .... but your opinion is no more fact that anyone else's. The only thing we "know" is that 1 QB was part of trade talks ..... and that QB was Brady Quinn. Said trade may, or may not, have netted us Jay Cutler as a result. That's really about all we know ..... unless, of course, you know a mouse living inside Berea.

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If he plays well, then he'll be there for 3 seasons then ask for 100M at least. Will they pay the 100M? If so, then you're right, he'll be there are least 5-6 seasons

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The only thing we "know" is that 1 QB was part of trade talks ..... and that QB was Brady Quinn. Said trade may, or may not, have netted us Jay Cutler as a result. That's really about all we know ..... unless, of course, you know a mouse living inside Berea.

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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said in a letter to season ticket holders Saturday that the organization had no choice but to trade Jay Cutler over his insubordination.

Bowlen preached a message of team unity in the e-mail, reiterating that he and new coach Josh McDaniels had reached out many times to Cutler, who didn't respond to their overtures.

Bowlen, who remained largely silent during the six-week rift that ended with Thursday's blockbuster trade with the Chicago Bears, wrote that anybody who puts himself above the team gets a one-way ticket out of town.

"Understand this: it remains about team," Bowlen wrote. "Our franchise has gone to the Super Bowl six times, with three different coaches and with many different players. It has never been about one player, and it never will be. Coach McDaniels shares this vision, and everyone in the organization -- players, coaches and staff -- must understand and accept this unconditionally. If anyone does not, that person will not be a part of this franchise."

Cutler became disenchanted when he learned Denver had talked about trading him for New England Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel six weeks ago.

He requested a trade last month after a face-to-face meeting with McDaniels failed to clear the air. The Broncos initially balked, with McDaniels saying repeatedly that Cutler was his guy and they would work things out.

Cutler ignored calls and texts from McDaniels and Bowlen, however, and the owner reached his breaking point Tuesday and told McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders to try to trade Cutler.

Several teams were interested in the 25-year-old, rocket-armed passer who made the Pro Bowl in his second full season as a starter. But the Bears came up with the best offer, sending quarterback Kyle Orton, two first-round draft picks and a third-rounder to Denver for Cutler and a fifth-rounder.

In his letter, Bowlen wrote that he felt compelled "to give our community and our fans an explanation regarding the Jay Cutler situation," and suggested he had no problem with his 32-year-old rookie coach chasing off a franchise quarterback before he'd even conducted his first practice.

Bowlen said one of his directives when he hired McDaniels to replace Mike Shanahan "was that he consider everything possible to return the Broncos to the level which you and I both expect, and this certainly includes making a fair evaluation of every opportunity presented to us which might improve the team."

"He and General Manager Brian Xanders have had my complete support throughout, and they have it now," Bowlen wrote. "It is important that you know that at all times we represented ourselves to Jay with honesty and integrity."

Bowlen added that more than 96 percent of season ticket holders had renewed for 2009, which he wrote was "a compelling statement of support and trust."

Deana Sanders, a season ticket holder since 1996, didn't even open her e-mail from Bowlen, who already has her support.

"Whether the Broncos are at fault or not, that doesn't matter," Sanders said. "If I threw a fit like Jay Cutler and didn't respond to a call from my boss, I wouldn't even have a job. I wouldn't have an opportunity to be traded."

At least one fan's feelings weren't assuaged by Bowlen's letter.

"I thought it was too little, too late," said Ken Mendelsberg, 42, whose family has had Broncos season tickets since 1961.

Neither Bowlen's letter nor McDaniels' news conference Friday curbed his concerns about the direction of the franchise.

"I don't understand why he'd go to a press conference wearing a hoodie," Mendelsberg said of McDaniels. "Jay Cutler showed up at his press conference [in Chicago] looking nice. He looked like he had a makeover -- nice suit, nice tie, nice haircut. He even laughed. I'd never seen him laugh. It's like he had a new lease on life."

He doesn't feel the same about his beloved Broncos.

"I'm so bummed. What do I tell my kids? We don't have a quarterback; we don't have a defense," Mendelsberg said. "This did nothing to ease my mind."

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THE FACT THAT YOU INCLUDED "IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT" INDICATES THAT YOU KNEW IT SHOULDN'T BE POSTED.

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Cutler wastes no time turning on the charm in Chicago
By Dan Arkush
April 16, 2009


If first impressions mean anything, the consensus around Halas Hall after Jay Cutler’s first official meeting with the local media was that he didn’t seem anything like the petulant, thin-skinned problem child he was widely perceived to be in his final days in Denver.

“He didn’t seem like a brat at all,” said one team insider who hunkered down with the Bears’ new quarterback off to the side in a smaller group after Cutler’s initial press conference.

“He said he didn’t want to rehash everything that happened with the Broncos, but he admitted that, if he had the opportunity over again, he would have done some things differently, and it was refreshing to see him accept some blame in the whole situation.”

Cutler also did a very smooth job of quickly defusing a potential problem moving forward with Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner, who created some hard feelings when, as the head coach at the University of Illinois, he rescinded a scholarship offer to Cutler.

But what impressed sources on the scene most was the way Cutler so quickly appeared to embrace the team concept.

“When we asked him about running an offense that no longer had players like Brandon Marshall or Eddie Royal in the mix, he proceeded to mention every Bears receiver by name with a positive reference,” the insider said.

“He didn’t say anything remotely indicating that he would be working with a lesser group of receivers.”

At the same time, we’re told that the reaction to Cutler’s arrival on the Windy City scene by the Bears’ players has been overwhelmingly positive, despite the fact QB Kyle Orton, who was traded to Denver as part of the Cutler deal, was extremely popular in the locker room.

Sources considered the presence at Cutler’s first press conference of both WR Devin Hester and TE Greg Olsen — who figure to be the primary targets for Cutler’s passes — as a very positive sign.

“The players were all genuinely sorry to see Orton go,” the insider said. “But the prevailing feeling seemed to be that it was time to move on.”

Predictably, no Bears player was more excited about the Cutler move than his former college teammate, WR Earl Bennett, who is expected to make a quantum leap in his second season.

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