|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
j/c myself Quote:
News: Browns deny Brady Quinn was involved in trade talks with Denver. Denver coach Josh McDaniels says Kyle Orton is his quarterback after the trade of Jay Cutler.
View: If McDaniels wants Quinn, he knows he can get him. The fact he doesn't appear to want him does not bode well for the Browns.
Mike Lombardi, who was Bill Belichick's personnel director with the Browns in the 1990s, had an eye-opening take on Quinn.
I've been hearing for weeks that the new Browns' brass is divided on Quinn, that, in fact, Quinn had more supporters in the old regime, which nailed him to the bench for two years.
I've been hearing that the new regime isn't head-over-heels with Derek Anderson, either, but Anderson's arm always will impress coaches at this time of year.
I've also been hearing that the new regime is smitten with Mark Sanchez of USC and it wouldn't surprise some -- though it would floor everybody in Cleveland -- if the Browns took Sanchez with the fifth pick of the draft.
Quinn, of course, has not had much of an opportunity to disprove critics that question his accuracy and arm strength. He deserves that much before the Browns give up on him.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/04/tony_grossis_blog_kellen_winsl.html
part that is italicized links to this
Quote:
There’s a huge perception among fans in Cleveland that Brady Quinn is a quality starting quarterback in the NFL. Fueling this fire is Charlie Weis and his evaluation of Quinn. But what Weis thinks, and what others who worked for and with Weis at New England think, are vastly different. And no matter how close they may be, there’s nothing that Weis can say to change their mind. In fact, when McDaniels was on the staff at NE, the Patriots did not have Quinn very high on their board, regardless of the wisdom stemming from Weis’ evaluation.
Taking this one step further, there were some well-respected personnel men in the NFL who did not want to take the Browns job (prior to Eric Mangini becoming the main man) because they didn’t feel Quinn could be the starter. The expectations of the fans with regard to Quinn are enormous, and sometimes this can burden a franchise.
I feel the Browns are not done trying to improve the quarterback position. Quinn may be the starter, but he will have to prove to the new staff that he can make all the throws and can be accurate with the ball on every level, something that has not been consistent during his short NFL career.
Quinn played in three games last season and was 45 of 89 passing, a 50.6-percent completion percentage. Those stats include his game against a very bad Broncos defense in which he was 23 of 35. If you remove that game, Quinn was 22 of 54 in the other games, less than 50-percent completion. Accuracy is something that’s hard to fix. NFL accuracy is putting the ball into tight spots and making sure the ball is thrown in the right zone so the receiver can make yards after the catch. This isn’t easy for Quinn. One of the reasons he was drafted late in the first round was because in every area of his play, he wasn’t accurate — in game tape, in practice and in his workout on campus at Notre Dame. In that workout, his ball was all over the place and he made his wideouts work for the catch while throwing against air. His deep ball was very poor, and this lack of accuracy was the main reason so many teams passed on him in the first round.
Despite that, Quinn will still have a chance to prove many wrong with his play. But until he can show with each practice that his accuracy has improved, the Browns will keep searching for their franchise quarterback.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/diner-morning-news-whats-next-for-quinn/
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
charlie frye's first career start against the jags, he was 13/20, 65% for 226 yards with 2 tds and no ints. if i remember correctly, he was a diet pepsi rookie of the week in that game.
shows what happens when teams have no tape on the qb...kinda like when denver planned around DA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,210
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,210 |
Quote:
In fact, when McDaniels was on the staff at NE, the Patriots did not have Quinn very high on their board, regardless of the wisdom stemming from Weis’ evaluation.
This couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Pats haven't used a draft pick on a QB earlier than the third round since using the first overall on Drew Bledsoe in 1993.
Last edited by 214dawg; 04/07/09 07:11 PM.
LIbertatem Defendimus!!
2010 Dawgtalkers NCAA Bracket Challenge Champ!!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821 |
Quote:
I backed u into a corner with a direct question that has no answer
Why even try to answer a question like that??
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Quote:
Quote:
In fact, when McDaniels was on the staff at NE, the Patriots did not have Quinn very high on their board, regardless of the wisdom stemming from Weis’ evaluation.
This couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Pats haven't used a draft pick earlier than the third round since using the first overall on Drew Bledsoe in 1993.
You mean on a QB ? or that they didn't have any at all ? (I asume you meant QB since you mentioned Bledsoe.)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044 |
I haven't seen enough of Quinn to be sure on him....Da is a good QB..not elite, but good enough to get the job done with a team around him
Will Quinn be the same type of QB? Maybe he will, maybe he will be in Peyton Manning's class, or then again he could be worse than Ryan Leaf...no one knows for sure yet
IMO the jury is still out on both DA and Quinn..i think both "could" be good QB...Anderson proved he can get the job done when the team around him plays well(29 TD) he also proved he can't carry the team on his own when the rest of the team plays bad(2008)
I think many are expecting too much out of Quinn or Anderson...guys have to catch balls...last year, Quinn had some drops in the games he played, DA was plagued with drops all year. Edwards didn't help DA out any at all, had BE just caught 70% of the balls thrown his way, Romeo Crennell would probably still be head coach...i mean we could have won atleast 8 games last year had BE just caught the darn ball
Neither QB is going to play well under those circumstances
I think both are good QB, just differtent styles...Da has a stronger arm, Quinn is more finnesse...both can win games with their styles...one is not better than the other
I personally am hoping we keep them BOTH for one more year
If Quinn is the starter, so be it i will support him, same for DA...if one just isn't working out, we go with the other
I will say whichever one is picked...must be playing downright AWFUL IE 2 TDs 9 or 10 INTS before the starter is yanked....whoever is picked needs a fair shot...
all i am saying is...if Quinn is picked, DA is a good insurance policy to have...we don't know if Quinn will be good or not..on the flipside if Da is picked, we need to Quinn to push DA and furthermore if DA stinks it up awful...we have a backup plan
I personally think we should kepp both, and let Quinn start the season and see what he can do...if were 0-3 and Quinn has like 8 INTS, then maybe you bring in DA....but I just think too much is unknown about Quinn to get rid of DA right now....just me, i like to play it safe...i mean after all, its 50/50 that Quinn is a bust, its also 50/50 Quinn will be good..we just don't know
besides, whats bad about having 2 decent QB on the roster for 1 more year?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,210
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,210 |
GRR, that's what I get for editing my thought halfway through
Yeah, the Pats took Kevin O'Connell in the 3rd last year and Rohan Davey in the 4th in 2002. Other than that it's just been late rounders (Tom Brady, Matt Cassell, and a few no name QB's)
LIbertatem Defendimus!!
2010 Dawgtalkers NCAA Bracket Challenge Champ!!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
IMO the jury is still out on both DA and Quinn..i think both "could" be good QB...Anderson proved he can get the job done when the team around him plays well(29 TD) he also proved he can't carry the team on his own when the rest of the team plays bad(2008)Good enough argument to keep both for now, I agree. But don't ask if one has to fly bye-bye,.... 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545 |
Quote:
One of the reasons he was drafted late in the first round was because in every area of his play, he wasn’t accurate — in game tape, in practice and in his workout on campus at Notre Dame. In that workout, his ball was all over the place and he made his wideouts work for the catch while throwing against air. His deep ball was very poor, and this lack of accuracy was the main reason so many teams passed on him in the first round.
Now, I should state that I rarely saw Quinn play in college. (IIRC, just against OSU and maybe 1 or 2 other games) I keep reading some talk about how accurate Quinn is ....... yet this report seems to directly contradict that assertion.
So what's the truth here? Is Quinn accurate .... or is he not? Is he another guy who can be "accurate" in the 3-5 yard passes .... yet struggles with just about everything else .... or does he have some range?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
All this kid needs is a team around him,...he will be fine, in my opinion.
The main reason he "fell" is nobody else needed a QB. I was actually surprised we took him,....
He rates a chance. Just like any other draftee at wherever they got picked.
This waiting game,...does he ? doesn't he ? have FO approval is all a farce until draft day. Then we'll really see how Mangini is playing this.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,363
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,363 |
Quinn fell as far as 22 because nobody was looking for a QB. Miami dropped the ball by drafting Ginn, they needed a QB and they passed on the best one available at that pick.
Saying Quinn fell for the reasons he stated is just ludicrous. Maybe Miami felt he wasn't good enough, but most believed otherwise. If we wouldn't have moved up, Baltimore was said to be ready to pick him.
I'm hardly a Quinn "lover", the fact is until he plays healthy I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. What I've seen of him on the feild does give me the impression that he has the tools necessary to succeed and even be pretty good. His presence under center shows good leadership qualitues IMO. And from watching highlights and seeing him live, I believe he can make the necessary throws. People act as if the kid can't throw a ball 20 yards, I find that assinine. He didn't set college records being a noodle arm as some suggest.
Crennel created this mess by not playing the kid.
This comment has nothing to do with DA. So those who want to twist this into an anti DA rant forget about it. This is solely about Quinn and not a comparison to anybody. The kid is a hard worker and a talented QB, using three starts to discredit him, or some blogger's opinion is unfair.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
Quote:
Miami dropped the ball by drafting Ginn, they needed a QB and they passed on the best one available at that pick.
I think they should've taken Patrick Willis there.
And I've read that they had John Beck rated higher than Quinn...I'd imagine that's just posturing to ease the irate fans, but FWIW...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,363
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,363 |
Quote:
I'd imagine that's just posturing to ease the irate fans, but FWIW...
You could be right. My cousins have lived in Miami their whole lives and are huge Dolphin fans. One of their best buddie's dad used to manage the Orange Bowl. They were pissed about not getting Quinn, and always comment on how they can't believe that he hasn't played much. They have no dog in this race, and I find it funny that they feel like many that DA was a flash in the pan. They honestly believe that Quinn is going to be a multiple pro bowler if he ever plays. That without orange and brown glasses on.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Crennel created this mess by not playing the kid.
I agree with this, and I want Quinn to play, and I pretend not to be a Quinn lover---but rather would like to just see the kid get a chance,...all that said, the Crennel blame is not solely on Romeo,...Quinn did hold out, and I believe RAC held it against him,...some kind of Belichick hangover.
I scouted him in high school, and saw him play live (albeit Navy). He has IT.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044 |
I would like Quinn to succeed here if he is given a fair chance to do so
I would be content to give him the whole season to play..even if it meant we only won 2 games...let him play...its the only way we will know
I will agree though, I like his leadership qualities he seems very calm on the field and in charge he was also a very fine QB in college from what I remember...he can't be any worse then anyone else we have had...
He needs to be given a chance though before we can really gauge him and I am all for giving him a chance
On the flipside if Mangini decides to go with Anderson, I will support that decision too...I just don't want to be a part of or see any division this year, we just all simply need to get behind the guy Mangini picks and go with it
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974 |
Quote:
Crennel created this mess by not playing the kid.
I agree with this, and I want Quinn to play, and I pretend not to be a Quinn lover---but rather would like to just see the kid get a chance,...all that said, the Crennel blame is not solely on Romeo,...Quinn did hold out, and I believe RAC held it against him,...some kind of Belichick hangover.
I scouted him in high school, and saw him play live (albeit Navy). He has IT.
Or could it be that Quinn is a bad practice player and after the chuck frye show Romeo wanted him to do better? Since we don't really know the reason, could it be as simple as practices? Knowing fan pressure to play Quinn, I don't think it made a whole lot of sense to play Anderson unless he really believed that he was better. Especially when his job was on the line constantly.
I just don't think this whole 'Romeo was holding him back because he held out' stuff makes a lot of sense.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
Quote:
Or could it be that Quinn is a bad practice player
not to single you out but i see this thrown out a lot on browns boards. who started this? was this in an article or did someone just start saying it and everyone else followed?
the reason why i ask is i wonder how a player whose strengths are supposedly in intelligence, being well prepared, and being [relatively] accurate, how can someone in that mold be a "bad practice player." we can explain frye to a certain extent because his game involved his feet as much as it did his arm but quinn? i'm not following. he's supposed to be smart, be able to read defenses, and put balls where they should go but in practice, where there is no chance of him getting hit, he can't do that and the fans just accept that?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,024
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,024 |
Quote:
Crennel created this mess by not playing the kid.
I'm not sure I've read a better quote on this board in quite some time. We are going to be recovering from Hurrican Crennel for some time, and hopefully bad decisions aren't made because of his idiocy. Savage - insecurity and all - did way more good for this team than Crennel did, and in time people will see that ... IMO. Crennel = classy guy ... whatever ... 
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850 |
Was it Crennel? or was it Quinn's injury? 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,024
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,024 |
I just think he gets a free pass because he's a big lovable teddy bear and Savage - who I am not a fan of and stated even before he was dismissed - gets way too much of the blame.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,223
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,223 |
Quote:
Crennel created this mess by not playing the kid.
Do we really know if it was Crennel?
I mean really know?
After Savage was fired, stories started coming out about him that makes me think he had a hand in it. He came right out before camp even started and said that DA was our QB, there would be no competition, and he deserved to start. The wasn't RAC out in front of the press. That was Savage.
And it was funny how when it all started to fall apart, Savage quit appearing in front of the media, and threw it all in RAC's lap.
I know I've read articles that talked about his presence in the coaching meetings. We'd have to dig them out, but somehow I'm thinking all the blame shouldn't lie in Crennel's hands.
I do agree Quinn should have been given the opportunity to show us his game a lot sooner, but IMO Opie had a lot to do with that, not Romeo.
![[Linked Image from pic18.picturetrail.com]](http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL905/3216203/6567769/349897772.jpg) "The Browns' defense is kicking mucho dupa."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,532
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,532 |
savage did alot of good for this team, his downfall was he was a gambler. he took too many risk instead of playing it safe. his drafts and FA's where either going to light it up, or never be able to find the switch.
he got us some talent but he also messed up on more than one occastion. Him getting rid of Jeff Faine was one of his mistakes that sticks out to me. i thought we should have keep him at center and moved LCB to RG, now we have a below average center and a crap RG but that is besides the point!
Crennels problem was he tried to be everyones friend instead of being the coach we needed him to be. Im glad we got a drill seargent in Mangini, as young as our team is we need a tough nose, no bs type coach. Mangini will have these boys playing, we might not win a bunch of games but i bet that we will be playing with attitude this year. I think we could very well suprise alot of teams this year, i have a gut feeling Edwards if he isnt traded before is going to bounce back and have a pro-bowl year, the "D" will be better at keeping the other teams "O" off the field, and we will score more TD's this year!
maybe im just setting myself up like i do every year, but i dont think that 9-7 is out of the question
#brownsgoodkarma
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545 |
Quote:
Crennel created this mess by not playing the kid.
I have to disagree here.
You don't take a guy who threw for 29 TDs the year before, and nail him to the bench in favor of an untested guy. The coach would have immediately lost the team if Quinn didn't put up big numbers right from the start. Other players would have looked at the situation and said "I could have a Pro Bowl type year .... and in fact one of the best in team history ..... yet still lose my job to a guy who had never played???". That would have been a mess.
Crennel actually pulled Anderson after he had 4 really solid games in a row. The fans were screaming for Quinn, and a weak Denver defense offered a chance for the kid to "win" his debut. (even if the team itself lost) Unfortunately, we don't know how he would do against a real NFL defense ...... because he got hurt, and played really poorly the next 2 weeks.
The new guys will have to figure out which guy .. if either one ... they want to be their QB. While there's been no statement about not wanting one guy or the other here (and, in fact, numerous statements that they hope both guys will fight it out in training camp) .... there is an old saying that "where there's smoke, there's fire" .... and most of the smoke is circling around Quinn. I really believe that the current braintrust doesn't see either guy as the solution. It's just a gut feeling ..... but the path of least resistance would have been to name one guy or the other the starter ..... and work on preparing him to start the year. The most "positive" sign for most fans would have been to see Quinn be that guy.
I just have this weird feeling that we're going to hear this announcement at the draft .... "With the 5th pick in the 2009 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select QB ....."
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974 |
Quote:
Quote:
Or could it be that Quinn is a bad practice player
not to single you out but i see this thrown out a lot on browns boards. who started this? was this in an article or did someone just start saying it and everyone else followed?
Well, I did say "could be". I have no idea if he's a good practice player or not. My point was to go against the talk that Romeo had a grudge against Quinn. I don't think there's any good reason why a coach on the hot seat wouldn't play the better players, that's all.
I'm not claiming to be a coach or some guy with any inside info. I analyze stuff for a living so I try to look at stuff from different angles.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
i understand but like i said, it wasn't to single you out. i just see it mentioned a bit in this board as well as the other one and it makes no sense to me.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 974 |
Quote:
i understand but like i said, it wasn't to single you out. i just see it mentioned a bit in this board as well as the other one and it makes no sense to me.
Considering all the crap 'inside info' that got floated I don't blame you. Thanks for doing it in a civil manner 
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
WHEN WAS HE SUPPOSE TO SHOW U HE COULD THE THINGS U BELIEVE HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ...
College.
Quote:
well at least Frye and BQ are not from the same town in Ohio .. *L* .. but including Frye in your evaluation of my boy really helps your point of being someone who is actually rooting for BQ in ths comp ... cause we all want aother Charlie Frye on our hands ..
What, suddenly the King of Sarcasm missed some of it when it went flying over his head? I don't bloody-well think so
Had you not attempted to SPIN that statement to turn this into something it wasn't, the obviousness of the statement is clear: Frye sucked because he had no long ball. That's one of the BIG questions of Quinn. So, until he answers that question, he's not a big prospect.
If you want to make that an insult towards Quinn, fine, but that's a problem between your ears, not with real life.
Quote:
Yup ... got it again .. and al i asked is that U GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO IT ...
No, you're asking me to put BLIND FAITH in Quinn, which is DIFFERENT than "giving him a chance."
What is it about a fair competition that guys like you and Eo can't figure out?  That IS giving Quinn a chance! 
All he has to do is prove he's better than Anderson. According to you, Eo, and a host of others, that won't be a problem. So............WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?!?!  
The reality here is that I want the best man to win the job. Meanwhile, you, Eo, and a host of others just want it handed to Quinn. Why? Because he's not Anderson.
Yeah, that's perfect logic
I'm giving Quinn a chance. The difference is that I'm not simply handing the job to him on a silver platter.
Quote:
To me, Anderson has done some decent work in this league.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup .. I agree ... i know im now interjecting my opinion .. but its only to agree with U .. but i;m sure you'll find a way to spin that into your advantage when u need to .. *L* ..
BUT i will also add he has DONE QUITE A BIT OF HORRIBLE WORK in this league also ..
Which is why I'd prefer that Quinn wins the job 
Since a fair competition means giving Quinn a chance, and since, according to you, Quinn is going to clearly be better than Anderson, that means the only logical conclusion is that Quinn will win the job.
Since all I want is a fair competition, which by definition means giving Quinn a chance (which is CLEARLY different than just handing him the job) then you SHOULD be happy that I'm not endorsing either QB.
Gee, you and Eo clearly haven't got a clue as to what I've been saying this entire time. 
An open mind is a good thing
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188 |
Quote:
College.
He was suppuse to show U he could read NFL defenses in college?? .. OKie Dokie ...
Quote:
What, suddenly the King of Sarcasm missed some of it when it went flying over his head? I don't bloody-well think so
Had you not attempted to SPIN that statement to turn this into something it wasn't, the obviousness of the statement is clear:
Rought ro Roo Roo .... your using sarcasm and I'm using spin ... we been chattin to much lately ... just capitulate before we rub off on each other anymore .. *L* ...
Quote:
Frye sucked because he had no long ball. That's one of the BIG questions of Quinn. So, until he answers that question, he's not a big prospect.
he proved he can throw the long ball in college .. i only watched him play every game for 4 years ... but what do i know compared to U who watched him maybe once or twice a year ..
HE WILL SHOW U ... watch and see ...
Quote:
If you want to make that an insult towards Quinn, fine, but that's a problem between your ears, not with real life.
or maybe just maybe its a problem with your COMMUNICATION SKILLS ... witch by the way .. i am so PROUD OF U ... u used as far as I can tell ZERO SPIN in this entire post ... GOOD JOB little fella .. your making progress .. *L*
Quote:
No, you're asking me to put BLIND FAITH in Quinn, which is DIFFERENT than "giving him a chance."
No I;m not .. i SIMPLY ASKED A QUESTION .. U said he has not proven he can do it .. i asked when was he given a chance to to do it .. THAT IS ALL ..
until this post I have not said one word about weather your ASSesments are right or wrong about BQ ... i have simple ASKED QUESTIONS and pointed out his BRIEF TIME SPENT ACTUALLY PLAYING in the NFL ..
u may wanna go re-visit your REALITY statement above ..
Quote:
All he has to do is prove he's better than Anderson. According to you, Eo, and a host of others, that won't be a problem. So............WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?!?!
damm .. how did i miss this SPIN BY U .. i take back my previous praise .. *L*
Tabber nor I have no probs with a "comp" .. this is about u sayin ghe has not proven sumptin he has not been given a chance to prove .. it really is that simple ..
BOUNCING BALL BRO ... keep your eye on it .. again .. NICE TRY at changing the focus by MANIPULATING MY WORDS ..
Quote:
The reality here is that I want the best man to win the job. Meanwhile, you, Eo, and a host of others just want it handed to Quinn. Why? Because he's not Anderson.
and thank god for all us he is not DA .. we do not need two GREAT BACKUPS on our team ...
and i got news for U .. there will be no "comp" ... it may be called one .. but the folks in Berea ALL READY KNOW who will be lining up under Center BARRING INJURY ... and that will be the best man ,. they do not need a 'comp" to know that .. there may be a "charade" of a comp .. but there will be no comp ..
I mean dude .. for there to be a TRUE COMP there has to be participants of approximately the same skill level ... and that is clearly not the case here ... I mean if there was to be a football debate wold U call one between Me and Da Man Is Hot or Peenie a competition?? .. please .. *L* .. U could cobine the two and it would still have a ways to go to get to be near a comp .. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
I think we've about run our course on this one, so I'd like to ratchet it down, but first.....Quote:
Tabber nor I have no probs with a "comp" .
He has HUGE problems with a comp. HUGE. Take a gander at his last post.
Quote:
I mean if there was to be a football debate wold U call one between Me and Da Man Is Hot or Peenie a competition?? .. please .. *L* ..
And this is where I slowly back away 
(But before I do, I see reports that the Browns are "smitten" with Sanchez  )
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821 |
Feeling pretty chipper today aren't we.
LOL
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188 |
I read tabbers last post .. and he is in no way afraid of a comp .. not even the slighest .. appearantly U have the unique ability to not only write but to read in spin ... *L* .. Quote:
But before I do, I see reports that the Browns are "smitten" with Sanchez
OH NO .. the HORROR ... OMG .. i'm so NERVOUS now .. *L* ..
these guys try to CREATE DECEPTION but to no avail ..
just like they can crow all the want about a QB comp to try and drive up the trading price for DA .. when everyone knows different ..
they can look all goo goo eyed at Sanchez to try and drive up the price to anyone that may want to trade up for him with us .. find a partner to try and increase trade up for him ... but everyone knows we will not draft him ..
I do however love there effort in both cases .. *L* ...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
So are you convinced that BQ is the new regime's guy because of evidence or because of your own personal view?
I mean, after all, even if it's as cut-and-dry as you say it is, surely the Mangini camp could be dead wrong in opposition to your opinion, no?
(I'm the first to say I have personal biases against Quinn...I won't hide them or claim that I'm viewing things objectively...but I think it's a valid question)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188 |
Not only is it a valid question .. its a good question ... and I will answer it later ... unlike most on here ... i always answer all questions ... I have to run and this ones gonna take a few minutes as theres much to talk about .. I'll get back to U either tonight or tommorow ,,, FINALLY a good question .. who'd a thunk it come form u of all places .. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
I can't wait to hear the answer for this one...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821 |
Quote:
Not only is it a valid question .. its a good question ... and I will answer it later ... unlike most on here ... i always answer all questions ... I have to run and this ones gonna take a few minutes as theres much to talk about ..
I'll get back to U either tonight or tommorow ,,,
FINALLY a good question .. who'd a thunk it come form u of all places ..
I asked you one last night...at 6:40 PM you never answered.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188 |
I thought it was a rhetorical question ... who knew U actually meant to ask such an ignorant one .... guess I actually over estimated U .. theres a first time for everything .. *L* .. if u really want an answer .. ask again .. its really quite simple and self explanatory if u follow the bouncing ball .. i know .. i know .. thats prety tough for u sometimes .. but this one is really easy ... Adam ... u may get a kick out of it .. and u may actually get it for once as the answer will not have very much if any football in it ... so for a change I won't be speaking way over your head ... Phil ... I actually over estimated your question ... OK .. way over estimated it .. its not a very good question after all .. but i'll still answer it .. just have no time now ..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,821 |
Quote:
I thought it was a rhetorical question
You never seemed to get those in the past. I am impressed you are learning.
I see improvement...keep it up!
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
I'll keep my eyes peeled...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
He's in no way afraid of a comp
We're not talking about "afraid" (other than my tweaking his nose *L*) we're talking about Eo not wanting a comp. Here's his own quote: Quote:
Cause all a QB competition will show you is that you don't have a QB. It could create a split in the Locker room - cause a true competition will have the players picking who their favorites are. After all its a competition. You really don't have a clue do you.
There's a difference between spin and reading comprehension. I suggest a visit to Webster's would do wonders for you *L*
(Actually, I take it back. He is afraid of a comp  )
Last edited by OverToad; 04/08/09 11:11 PM.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475 |
Why pull a little quote and spin it as justification for your incorrect position...lol btw...the thing about the fair competition. Thats fine and dandy but thats predicated on one thing. That M/K or as Brilliant as you and they don't know what they have
And btw I hate you and take this personally 
 j/k
214...
Quote:
In fact, when McDaniels was on the staff at NE, the Patriots did not have Quinn very high on their board, regardless of the wisdom stemming from Weis’ evaluation.
Grossi is actually worse than TOAD what a bozo he is...(Grossi not Toad) He acts as if NFL teams will make a board of 400 prospects like the Draft NIKS do 
So his logic is that Quinn Sucks cause even with the close Weiss connection and his glowing report the Pats didn't have him high on their board. So why would McDaniels do so now...I'm Grossi and I'm so Brilliant.
Answer: NFL teams for the most part make a master board of prospects that they want on their team ranging from 20-50 prospects. And no not just the top 50 in the draft. They try to get a good spacing of where their slots are in the draft.
So lets see the Pats who had a Young Tom Brady in his prime who is arguably the Best QB in this Era and really haven't reached the Apex of his Prime years yet. And at the time didn't miss a start. 2007. And had a back up who they felt was capable (maybe they could target somebody at the end of their board 6th round or something) . Why in heavens name would they have Any QB on their board HIGH??? Does Grossi know where they had Russell to put that in perspective??? Is Kyle Orton, Tom Brady is that what Grossi is trying to infer???
He is such an idiot and hates Mangini so much that he is looking to sabotage the Browns in any direction he can....now the prowess of Quinn is being challenged by the Great Grossi... what a Bozo 
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns' new regime gets its first
crack at QB debate: So what else
is new?
|
|
![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/6WV79RV/Browns-Coach-Sig.png)
