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I feel your pain ... I really do.
But your post reminds me of Mr. Complainer at work. Bitch and moan, bitch and moan, but never any mention of another solution or how they would do it. I always ask Mr. Complainer ... ok, I'm hearing you ... "tell me how you would do it" ...
It's amazing how quickly the complaining stops after that.
I'm not saying don't complain at all or don't question moves, etc., etc., ... but that was a bit over the top. In no way, shape, or form does Mangini and Co. want this organization to be a bunch of losers.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah, the fragile Penny who entered 2007 at 31yo and with a magnificent 17/16 TD-INT ratio in 2006 who´s known to be a game "manager" and not changer ....he sure was the reason to pass on a franchise QB prospect the Jets had in their top 10 board and could have gotten at #14...oh, wait...maybe they simply did not have Quinn high on their board 
Let us also not forget they had just drafted Clemens in the 2nd round of 2006.
So you have Pennington who just took you to the playoffs, you have Clemens on the bench learning the system, and with your logic they should spend yet another draft pick the next year on another quarterback when they only had three picks for 2007.
Brilliant! You're right, why didn't Mangini put all that together?
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When you have a QB rated in the top thus worthy of franchise QB status...you simply pick him at 14 and think about the rest later...simple as that, might as well trade away Clemens for a 3rd because #14 + 3rd is a gift for a franchise QB prospect....obviously they didn´t rate him that high....think what Savage did to aquire Quinn...why? he had him in his top 10 even top 5 reportedly
sooo, that said...Mangini did not have Quinn high...
oh, and drafting Clemens in round 2 in his 1st year should tell something about his QB prospect instincts, lol
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sooo, that said...Mangini did not have Quinn high...
When did you get out of the pokey Ms Cleo
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What would you do. ? here's a quick opinion.
past. I would have went with a few players in the past, I liked Jason Campbell, Chad Johnson, and Donovan Mcnabb before the drafts they were taken. I would have kept D, Patton, Keenan McCardell, William Green at various times.
From this point forward, and seriously I won't be able to check again until late tonight to get back on any other response.
From this point forward... Anderson and Edwards are the identity until they get beat out in training camp, I'd keep Anderson and Edwards as an offensive identity until pre-season you could count on that.
Draft best offensive player, ... Players on your team have " successful" knee surgery, players you don't want don't.
I'd try to get Mike Thomas from Arizona with a later round pick.
I'd try to keep first and 2nd round picks from the past few years, and make very few moves in free agency. A team is only as good as its 3rd best Wr, and 2nd best Rb, and Lewis can be counted on for about 1 more year at most, ... he's year to year, in effectivenes,
I'd make a commitment to attacking all zones of the field on offense, right side, left side, up the middle, with the run, the short pass, and the long pass, and misdirection. I'd make a commitment to multiple sets on offense, (look at the Texans) multiple sets on each successive play.
I"d give the team some identity by commiting to Anderson and Edwards on offense, and the defensive backs from last year. I'd stop mis representing Josh Cribbs as a wide receiver, because he isn't proven. I'd make a commitment to getting 3 top wide receivers again, and a runningback that is a threat to score points. I'd make a commitment to ending the mindset that the next addition to the team is automatically good enough to make the team, or an upgrade on whats already there. There's an exception, players who have proven themselves to standout already. I'd make a commitment to original Browns players, ( players who have been with the Browns exclusively as a pro ).
Anderson and Edwards, would be starting their 4th year together, If memory serves me right, and that is not complete rebuilding that is an identity.
Keep the team together, and get a new coach. That is a recipe after a very bad season.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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sooo, that said...Mangini did not have Quinn high...
When did you get out of the pokey Ms Cleo
It´s called deductive reasoning...I didn´t expect you to understand it though
5. A general manger told me that he expects Cleveland to trade Brady Quinn this week but he’s not sure what team he will be heading to. The prevailing feeling in the NFL is that the Browns like Mark Sanchez and have spent considerable time getting to know everything they can about him.
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3. I hear that OLB Aaron Curry might not be a lock in the top three and that the Chiefs might not have him targeted as their pick. The word around the league is the Chiefs are in love with DE Tyson Jackson of LSU and see him as another Richard Seymour type. Teams are worried (as I am) about Curry being a just a Sam Backer and not an effective blitzer. Curry is a fine football player, but it’s hard to pay the high cost of a top-three pick if he can’t rush the passer.
Not that I put any stock into this version of the rumor mill, but this is why I'm not as high on Curry as other people are. It goes back to how high a team should value a MLB in any draft, and when one considers why I've said Curry isn't an OLB in this defense, is he worth the 5th pick in this draft when he's just a middle-backer?
I like Curry, and would understand if we took him, but we allready have an inside-backer now, so the need isn't as great as WR or OLB.
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I've never been as high on Curry as everyone else, but I only saw him in the Navy/Wake Forest game, where he looked indecisive and was often out of position to make the play. I understand that that's why teams run the option, but if he's really the greatest LB prospect to come out in years he should be able to make an impact in any situation. Personally, for a team running a 3-4, I don't see why Clay Matthews is not at the top of everyone's list. He's got the athleticism, he's got the football skills... the only knock people seem to have against him is that he only started for one year. If you listed all of the linebackers available in this year's draft, who would you think is more prepared to play LB in a 3-4 than a son of a linebacker who starred in the 3-4 in the NFL for more than 15 years? 
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I think Curry will play outside
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"why would Mangini pass on Quinn at #14 2 years ago?"
Maybe cause he had an accurate QB in Pennington which was vital for the O he wanted (accuracy) and a young QB prospect in Clemens that they had high hopes for but didn't really know what he would bring to the table.
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I don't know why people think this. Thus far, Curry has shown no pass rushing skills, and is perfect for the inside in a 3-4. I know of zero 3-4 outside linebackers in the NFL that played anywhere other than defensive end or the same spot in a 3-4 while in college. Not only is Curry neither of those, he only had two sacks last year. He is an inside guy.
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Sorry man...you don't know what you are talking about. You must have him confused with someone else.
Show me a scouting report that says he has no pass rushing skills.....even find another poster to say that.
I can show you many that says he is a superb pass rusher.
He has shown pass rush skills, and is a great cover guy.
Playing him inside would take away a large portion of his skill set.
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LMAO. I don't know what I'm talking about? That is pretty funny. Here's a thought. How about MY scouting report. After all, I am a scout. Two sacks should be enough evidence of his lack of pass rushing skills. I think that YOU are mistaken.
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We'll see.
So who do you scout for??? Not a challenge.....just curious...a team, service, or a web site.
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I do like the New Era site....
Ok....more than I thought...I stand corrected...and didn't mean the not knowing what you are talking about quite as directly as you took...I still think he is better suited outside due to his coverage skills....either way he is a darn good player we won't have a shot at getting.
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To be honest, no one knows what will happen on draft day. More and more I'm starting to think that KC will not take Curry. I can't see Pioli taking a player without elite pass rushing skills that high for his 3-4 defense. It just doesn't make sense. Seattle on the other hand, could very easily take him, especially if the two tackles are gone.
And I think Curry's pass coverage skills make him a better fit for the inside. When you're an outside linebacker in a 3-4, you're going to be rushing quite a bit. As an inside guy, you will be in coverage more than any other position and are going to be covering tight ends fairly often.
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I still suspect most of you, maybe even our "scout" doesn´t know the difference between SOLB and WOLB in a 34....a SOLB has to be good against the run 1st, believe it or not...he has to control the edge and be strong enough....most SOLB in a 34 ARE NOT double digit sack artists, go look it up...that´s the WOLB (Wimbley for us) job
ask Bill Parcells...Porter played SOLB the year they went 1-15, he was ineffective beause he couldn´t freelance and was owned in the run game...then Parcells came and he moved him back to WOLB and put Roth at SOLB (Porter btw went to the PBowl and was told to just rush the passer)....Roth !! who was a run stuffer and marginal pass rusher....they had a pretty good run defense last year btw....they still need to get more pass rush, esp. from the middle...but Roth helped even though he´s stop gap and needs to be upgraded
Why am I telling you this? Because Curry is strong enough and a good enough blitzer for a SOLB in a 34...actually it´s more difficult to find a good SOLB than WOLB...Larry English in round 2 would be ok with me too though
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I'm not intending to brag about this, and am sorry if it came off that way. Secondly, yes I do know the difference. That is part of our current predicament. I for one think that Hall could possibly be the SAM, but he would have to bulk up. But I disagree with you on how good a SAM has to bee at pass rushing. San Diego is a great example; they have both Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips. Pittsburgh has James Harrison and Lamarr Woodley. You still need a good pass rusher on the other side. I for one think that we need a WILL more than a SAM. I see potential in Hall, but I see none in Wimbley.
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If they pick Curry, I will be fine with that, 3-4 teams can use good ILB's as well. That guy Lewis did OK for himself in Baltimore.
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We have seen nothing from Hall in the run game...he´s a longshot at becoming a SAM....might as well refine his pass rushing, let him keep his weight and strength without losing quickness and play at Wimbley´s WILL position when he´s done busting....MIA had Roth, DAL had Ellis at SAM...that´s why I actually like the Bowens pick up...he´s a good SAM stop gap and has played the same position as those 2 before...it will help stopping the run Back to Curry....a SAM can´t freelance like a WILL and needs more strength to rush the passer from there and I think Curry fits the bill...he´s strong and athletic enough, he can cover TEs and on passing downs and you can pair him with DQwell in the middle and get Barton and/or Bowens (for Hall) off the field on obvious passing downs...I don´t see any problem...Curry will mpact on all 3 downs in a 34 Also, I don´t want Orakpo or Brown...Brown is Wimbley redux....FSU DEs are so 1 dimensional and raw, they are really becoming the Florida-WR equivalent.... also, both Orakpo and Brown have bad forty to short-shuttle ratios: Brown 4.6:4.5 and Orakpo 4.6 to 4.4....this is becoming an interesting indicator for game speed-quickness, which needless to say is important for a 34 OLB ....Merriman ie had same forty (4.6) but a good SS (4.1-4.2)...the ratio was good...same with Ware: 4.56 forty : 4.07 SS looking at this I have my money on Barwin 4.55 forty to 4.18 SS or English 4.82:4.38 You want Gholston´s numbers? 4.6:4.4 same as Orakpo...just saying Wimbley? 4.6:4.5 see a pattern? Trade down and pick Barwin...he´s a rare talent who has the potential to play both SAM and WILL...and he saves a TE-rosterspot to boot
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I like Hall against the run. He is good at sealing the edge. He just needs to add some bulk and he can be good there.
I like Barwin, but I wouldn't take him until the 20's. He is raw, but he has great potential. I'm not so sure about him as a SAM though. And I hate stereotyping against players because of their school. Brown is nothing like Wimbly. Brown is bigger coming out and he has two more moves than Wimbley. I think Brown is more like Ware than Wimbley. He will be a star.
I'm just not a fan of using times to evaluate a player. I go by the tape and the tape alone. Brown is quick on the tape; that's all I care about. Orakpo, on the other hand, is not.
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I have seen Brown....he is very inconsistent and a liability against the run...Barwin has far more upside and was as productive after only 1 season on defense....of all the transition players he´s actually the only 1 who HAS already transitioned successfully....psychologically that´s HUGE...somewhere around here there was an article and the Steelers GM was quoted saying it takes some time to transition mainly because the player has to "buy-in" in the new position....again, this mental factor is HUGE
Now go ahead and tell me why Brown is a better prospect than Barwin...longterm upside is Barwin´s already....I really don´t see where Barwin is behind in short term impact either...actually I think he will impact earlier because he´s also a standout ST and can line up in goalline formation as a TE....both need 1-2 years at OLB....you guys around here forget that it will be a NEW position for BOTH and Barwin is a leg up having already transitioned successfully
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I understand it just fine bro.  I also understand your using guesses, rumors, and mis-information in your deductive reasoning which screws up your results. 
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Brown - 13.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss in a tough conference.
As I said earlier, I like Barwin, but he isn't an elite prospect. I wouldn't draft him until the late first round. He is raw, but has great upside. Brown isn't raw and his upside is just as high with his freakish athleticism and pass rushing ability.
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From Peter King's MMQB today: 5. I think I'd like to apologize to you, Everette Brown. I don't have you in my mock draft for SI this week, and I fully expect you to be picked ... somewhere. I can't figure out where, and too many people in the bottom 20 of the round found too many holes in Brown. link Not saying he's right, just throwing it out there.
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Sorry but no excuse to not have a player in a mock because you can't determine who takes him..none of these guys know for any certainity where any player is going..so I don't buy into that...pure crap.
News flash King..all the players have holes..thats a cop out..
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Brown is top 20 for sure...
My first mock... I did go against the grain, but I had Mangini picking Brown... The guy has talent...
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Good points...yeah I think the SOLB just like the SAM LB in the 4-3 need a little more Powerful considerations regarding the Run game and will be more apt to have to deal with a Road Grater in the RT and even the Run Blocking TE for double TE sets in double teams.
But he still must be very adept in developing pressure to the QB.
Jets had Ellis (who happened to be 280something) although big and strong he also led the team in Sacks.
Cowboys also had an Ellis from their previous 4-3 DL as the Strongside DE - he converted well.
Pats had McG a big strong DE/OLB who also made the transition all strong and disciplined but adept in rushing the passer as well.
That is why Orakpo starts to make more sense and the before Everette Brown I was pimping is more apt to replace a Wimbley where Orakpo would go to that power side.
Also we are looking to develop Hall and will be looking to add 15+ lbs on him in the future.
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That is why Orakpo starts to make more sense and the before Everette Brown I was pimping is more apt to replace a Wimbley where Orakpo would go to that power side.
I just read a story on Orakpo and I saw a video to go with it.. that man is a monster... It's probablty already posted somewhere on here but this is the link
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Pretty interesting.. here' s a guy that is strong beyond belief and quick..
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I think that a Wimbley replacement is more desperate than a Hall replacement. I simply want no part of Orakpo. I don't think he is a complete enough player.
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I think that a Wimbley replacement is more desperate than a Hall replacement. I simply want no part of Orakpo. I don't think he is a complete enough player.
Man... did I type this?
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I think that a Wimbley replacement is more desperate than a Hall replacement. I simply want no part of Orakpo. I don't think he is a complete enough player.
I agree on Orakpo.....not to mention they guy is as tight as a piano wire.
That guy is going to rip a bicep tying one of his shoes somewhere down the road,
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Orak bugs me a lot..I think he's a bust waiting to happen..he has the size...but I saw the guy get controlled a lot when teams ran at him..
I want my SOLB to play standup..not with his hand on the ground..and he has to be able to cover TE's..and drop down in coverage.
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Go to this link
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watch the vid and read the article,, it basically indicated the exact opposite of what your opinion of Orakpo is. Not saying it's right and your wrong.. Just saying.. opinions vary on the kid..
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Go to this link
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watch the vid and read the article,, it basically indicated the exact opposite of what your opinion of Orakpo is. Not saying it's right and your wrong.. Just saying.. opinions vary on the kid..
I was about to post a link to a scouting report for Orakpo, but than realized it was premium content and none of you would be able to see it. The gist from it is that, Orakpo's hand technique is hot and cold. From a 3 point stance he uses his hands well to fend off blockers, but when lining up standing he doesn't use his hands well (kind of patty cake-patty cake like) and doesn't get the same penetration as he does when lining up in the 3 point stance. He is also stiff in the hips and can not cover well. For a 3-4 OLB coverage should not be aa much of a concern as the ILBs, but that also depends upon the 3-4 scheme. It is also noted that while his upper body is really strong, his lower body is not as strong and he does have the tendency to get pushed back. Orakpo is better suited for a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB.
I really wish I could post the scouting report. Pretty detailed stuff. Another member to that site ordered some scouting reports, for work and for pleasure, and he is going to share some of them this week I hope. When he does, and if he gives Orakpos, I will try to remember to post it on here for you guys.
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