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Well if they are asking for a 2nd for Boldin then Edwards trade value just dropped. I'd rather have Boldin myself.
has nothing to do w/ Edwards value..
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I'd rather have Boldin, but don't understand the "mentality" of leaving a team that just went to The Super Bowl. How can you possibly be that unhappy, earning a living as a multi-millionaire while playing a game.  And please do not retort with Edwards being unhappy,...he doesn't earn his paycheck,..... 
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I'd rather have Boldin, but don't understand the "mentality" of leaving a team that just went to The Super Bowl.
How can you possibly be that unhappy, earning a living as a multi-millionaire while playing a game.
$$$ (and it's his choice to make - I don't begrudge him for it either)
Fitzgerald is getting paid like $8/year and Boldin is getting $2.5/year. While Fitz is obviously better, have another guy on the team making 3 times what you get for the same job irks him.
Yes, it's millions and he should just be happy.....but the same can be said for just about anyone in any position. If I knew a coworker was getting paid 3 times what I was and doing the same job, I'd want a raise too. And don't give me the "he signed a contract" junk. The CBA lets teams cut a player in the middle of a contract so it's fair for a player to essentially do the same thing in reverse. Until the NFL fixes that, all's fair with contracts and holdouts (see the NBA and MLB.....players don't do this there).
AND I'm sure Boldin wants as much money as possible right now after experiencing that hit in the endzone last season. And he has every right to try for it too. He wants to have all the money in the world if he has to put his body on the line like that every play. And he was a monster for coming back so soon AND not taking any pain pills during the entire healing process. He's a freakin' soldj.....never mind. 
I'm not pro-player or pro-owner. The current system lets them screw each other over all the time. There's been a lot of talk around the league that they'll finally institute a rookie salary cap structure. The NFL wants to reward the bad teams with the top picks....but the top picks cripple the teams if they don't become pro bowlers.
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and the fact that his career could have ended this past season could have something else to do with it..... he makes those catches when he knows he is going to get laid out.. He risks his body and health...
He wants to get the money now... while his body can take the pounding...
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I absolutely agree with you about the CBA system of the NFL.
And I didn't think about that Turk. Today I was thinking about how I like Boldin but would not give up two firsts/a high round first for him straight up. He's had multiple injuries throughout his career, and that makes me nervous.
What I didn't think of that was that on the flipside, Boldin wants his money now, guarenteed. And he probably would be willing to become an even bigger hassle to the Cards
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Fitzgerald is getting paid like $8/year and Boldin is getting $2.5/year.
I heard a highlight of a radio show earlier this week where Fitz said he would take a paycut to keep Boldin. Class act .. and talented as hell.
Edwards can be our Fitz. I hope he doesn't get traded. He is going to star if he goes to a contender. And I don't condone his behavior, but if we can put a winning product on the field, Cleveland will love this guy. Some guys just don't perform (or act) well in a losing environment. I'm not saying it's right or what I would prefer ... but everyone can't be like we all want. The thing with Edwards is I believe all his problems are solvable ... attitude-wise and performance ... we need to keep him.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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The teams reportedly "after" Edwards who are offering their 2nd are nuts...the 2nd round picks of the Giants OR Eagles is too late in the second to make said 2nd worth it to me...they need to pony up more than that.
And I want Edwards gone.
I think the 29th pick in the first round IS essentially a 2nd round pick. I wouldn't give up that first pick in a trade for BE, but my team is not one big, strong WR away from maybe winning the Super Bowl.
I want their first and something more...maybe a 4th given that said 4th is what?...4 slots from being a 5th.
This is getting fun.
Edwards is not worth a 1st rd pick to ANY team in the NFL...any team that gives us a 1st rder for Edwards is brain dead
Repeat after me Randy Moss was had for a 4th rd pick
yes a 4 time 1,200 yard receiver
a proven receiver who was merely unhappy in oakland
edwards has 1 good year...so what..he is no where near Moss's Class...he is a "poor man's" Plaxico Burress..expecting a 1st rd pick in return for Edwards is insanity...not going to happen
Kellen Winslow(Probably tied with Antonio Gates) as the best "receiving TE" in Football who posted 2 straight 1,000 yard campaigns and a Pro bowl who was more proven then Edwards did not garner a 1st rd pick....because he was not worth a 1st rd pick..neither is Edwards
Edwards has:
Suspect/Stone Hands
Runs poor routes
Lacks break away speed(See caught from behind by Polamalu and others)
He is no where near Randy Moss, or even Tory Holt
Give me a 2nd and a 3rd or a 4th and i trade Edwards in a minute.....if we can get WR from the giants as well you take it.
you don't need a "Superstar" receiver to win in this league...
The Browns really need to look at Robiskie...im telling you the kid has Keenan McCardell written all over him..
Edwards needs to go period....a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th ship him...our needs are on the defensive side of the ball...get the D up to par and then get a average offense and we will be ok.
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This is the third or fourth time Randy Moss going for a 4th round pick has been brought up.
Randy Moss gave up in Oakland and there were scouts that were convinced that something was seriously wrong with his legs and that he would never be Randy Moss again.
It is merely hindsight to know that he just gave up while in Oakland and just needed to be in the right system again to regain his probowl form.
Here were the 3 years prior to him being traded for a 4th round pick:
Year Age Tm G GS Rec Yds TD
2004 27 MIN 13 13 49 767 13
2005 28 OAK 16 15 60 1005 8
2006 29 OAK 13 13 42 553 3
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general reply....
what i think everyone is forgeting about the edwards to the giants trade, is that edwards would have to sign a new contract
i'll bet thats the big hang up....the giants are saying a 2 and 5 because they could only have him for one year and then they have trouble....
if he were to agree to a restructure, the picks might improve because now they have him long term....so this might have nothing to do with what the browns are turnng down now..
they want better picks...the giants want a long term contract...
thats the hold up imo...
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Boldin could be had for a second-round pick and other considerations, rather than the first- and third-round pick originally projected, the sources said.
other considerations, e.g. a quality starter
2nd paragraph, from your own link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4096399
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In that same line of reasoning:
Shockey went for a 2nd and a 5th. A TE with injury history and an attitude problem. More hype than production. 28 years old.
Roy Wiiliams went for a 1st, 3rd and 6th. A possession receiver who is reportedly a solid citizen. 27 years old.
Edwards is a big play receiver with an attitude problem though smaller than Shockey's from what I hear. 26 years old.
Let's look at it this way. Would you trade BE for shockey straight up? I absolutely would not. So no way do I accept a 2nd and a 5th for BE. As a coincidence, the picks the NYG are offering are exaactly those same 2 picks.
Would you trade Edwards for Williams straight up? I probably wouldn't. I would consider it. I think many people might. So I will give you that these parameters are close to what we should get.
Let's fine tune it. Would you trade Williams for Edwards straight up? Depending o n what you are looking for from your Wrs then possibly. If I was Dallas I would. Edwards adds that element of the explosive play that Williams can not. So that puts Edwards compensation right along those same lines.
Mitigating factors. Did Williams need/get a new contract in Dallas? I don't know but for argument sake let's say no. So this would decrease Edwards value a bit.
So I would put Edwards value at a 1st and a 4th, or 2 seconds, or possibly a 2nd and a 3rd.
A 2nd and a 5th? No way in h-e-double hockey sticks.
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1) Williams did get a new deal in Dallas
2) And this is the biggie....If BE is as good as you say he is....then why trade him? If he is the GREAT WR without baggage...you would keep him...but those extra buckets of rocks he carries....bring the price down for some teams. You might find a team willing to offer up the value you seek...or a team like the Giants might just keep their picks....wait the year....and see if they cant just sign him next season....either way they still have to workout a new deal for him....one way costs them draft picks the other way costs them time...but either will probably cost 10 mill a year.
I think BE is worth a first round pick....but if he is gone next year anyway....which I see nothing to say he wont be.....might as well get what you can get now..vs nothing next year.
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I don't think BE is great right now. He is very good and could become great but right now is not one of the elite receivers in the league.
As for why I would trade him? I personally wouldn't but it appears that he is indeed on the trading block so I am just discussing what I think fair value would be.
BE is one of our most talented players and I think a lot of last year was an abberition. Because of the injuries in training camp to both him and Anderson they were never able to really sync up. Then as the season was lost things got worse. then we played or last what was it 5 games essentially without a Qb. I fully expect him to have a tremendous bounce back year. And we have means to keep him if we choose. Without the cap he is a RFA but even if a new agreement is reached we can always franchise him.
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I think BE is worth a first round pick....but if he is gone next year anyway....which I see nothing to say he wont be.....might as well get what you can get now..vs nothing next year.
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Well thats where winning cures all, Plus make him play for a contract giving the fans something competitive watc on the field. Plus this is were Franchise Tag comes in handy, say he plays well, then franchise him til he signs a new deal. I think Edwards playing for a contract is a good Edwards to have on your team.
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I don't think BE is great right now. He is very good and could become great but right now is not one of the elite receivers in the league.
I don't think receivers develop much after the first 2 playing season. At that point they are about as good as they are going to get.
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