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I have this feeling that Mangini overvalued his Jets-players and simply went with quantity over quality/value

This is a very valid concern,...

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I have a feeling that Mangini understood that this team was devoid of depth and saw an opportunity to get instant depth from players he knows and who know his system and how he wants things done.

Look...it's not like he went out and spent a bunch of money on "star" players. He went out and got role players and maybe two starters all at very reasonable prices.

He knows these guys...they know what to expect.

The fact that there are so many former Jets can be a bit of a bad thing...it could also be a GREAT thing.

I can't imagine he would bring them here if he thought they could not produce.

One more thing...none of them have made the team yet.

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I have this feeling that Mangini overvalued his Jets-players and simply went with quantity over quality/value

This is a very valid concern,...




It's not a valid concern when the injuries hit.

Last year once the injuries hit we were royally screwed.

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One of the things missing on our D last year was LEADERSHIP. Another was depth. We have addressed both of those problems very well in ONE off season.


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Peter King went pretty in depth into how the trade went down...

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KANSAS CITY -- I'm going to have 32 opinions on 32 teams here in a few paragraphs, and a few will surprise you. But I've got to start off with a cool story that played a big part in the trade of the weekend -- and, in all likelihood, the trade of the year in the NFL.

If you're a New York Jets fan, and you find yourself standing in line at a Modell's somewhere in the metropolis this week waiting for your SANCHEZ jersey, you really should pause and give thanks to four people:

1. Safety Abram Elam, the most important of three players in the deal between Cleveland and the Jets that netted USC quarterback Mark Sanchez. Most important for several reasons, which I'll get to in a moment.

2. Rex Ryan, the Jets' coach, who finessed a vital part of this trade Friday night.

3. Mike Tannenbaum, the Jets' GM, who wouldn't take no for an answer.

4. Dawn Aponte. Capwoman, Cleveland Browns. Formerly the Jets' cap person, and formerly a VP with the NFL Management Council.

The trade got done when it got done -- and without another team busting in to trump the Jets at the last minute -- because Aponte spied a minute clause, one unknown-to-most, in the collective bargaining agreement (I bet Roger Goodell didn't know it was in there) that would have threatened the trade and quite possibly put it in jeopardy when the Browns were on the clock at 4:33 p.m. Saturday, trying to send the pick to New Jersey.

Here's what happened: When the Jets went to work out Sanchez at Mission Viejo High in California on March 24, he was so impressive and cast such a presence on the practice field that Ryan turned to Tannenbaum and said: "This is our guy. Let's go get him.'' Easier said than done, of course.

By last Friday, the Jets were having mostly fruitless discussions with the Rams, picking second, and Browns, picking fifth. The Rams wanted a ransom to move out of No. 2. At five, the Browns didn't want quite so much, but there was the matter of three players Cleveland liked. And the matter of not doing anything until Cleveland was on the clock, because if Sanchez wasn't there, the Jets weren't interested in moving from their pick at 17 to five. Given that the Jets didn't want to include their 2010 first-round pick in the deal, they had to get creative and throw in the three players coach Mangini wanted: Elam, defensive lineman Kenyon Coleman and backup quarterback Brett Ratliff.

Elam was the apple of Mangini's eye in the deal. In March, the Browns signed Elam, a restricted free-agent, to a one-year, $1.5-million offer sheet. The Jets, loaded with safeties, still matched it. And last Friday, when Tannenbaum and Mangini were talking conditional trade, Elam's name was front and center. He'd have to be in the deal for it to work for the Browns.

Not so fast, Aponte said. She remembered an obscure article in the CBA -- Article XIX of Veteran Free Agency, Section 3 (h). It said: "If a Club exercises its right of first refusal and matches an offer sheet, that club may not trade that player to the Club that submitted the offer sheet for at least one calendar year, unless the player consents to such trade.''

Aponte told Mangini the consent would have to be in writing. One problem: Now it was Friday, and the Jets had to finesse this very carefully. In March, Elam signed the offer sheet with Cleveland; he thought he'd be a Brown. A week later, the Jets matched the offer, and now he thought he was a Jet for good. So now the Jets had to find some face-saving way to ask Elam to sign this formal document approving a trade ... a trade that might not happen.

Late Friday, Ryan got on the phone with Elam and explained the lay of the land. The conversation went something like: We don't know if this is going to happen, but we know you had some interest in going to the Browns in March, and now we've got Jim Leonhard and Kerry Rhodes at safety, and you probably have a better chance to start in Cleveland, and you are Eric's kind of guy, but if the trade doesn't happen you've got to come back to us, and you're going to be a great player for us ...

Elam thought about it, then told Tannenbaum he'd do it. The Jets e-mailed Elam a PDF attachment with the correct language. He signed it and faxed it to the Jets' offices in Florham Park, N.J. The Jets re-faxed it to the league office, knowing that if they made the deal with the Browns on the clock, this was one technicality that, were it not satisfied to the league's approval, the trade could get knocked down.

At the same time, the Jets knew the Washington Redskins would be watching. If the Redskins knew they were doing this deal without a 2010 first-round pick included in the compensation package, Washington could jump in while New York struggled to make the deal, and the 'Skins could get Sanchez. A longshot, but a chance.

On Saturday, the draft got to Cleveland's pick. The Browns were set on moving down, and they pulled the trigger. The deal got approved by the league when it looked over the paperwork and saw Elam's signature on the legal document approving the trade.

And now you know ... the rest of the story.

One final note on the Jets: Tannenbaum told me Sunday night that running back Shonn Greene, whom New York traded three picks to get at the top of the third round, "was far and away the best player available'' when day two began, and the back his coaching staff wanted. We won't know if Sanchez is going to make it for a few years, obviously. But I like teams that love players and, within reason, break the bank to get them. I like the moves.




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He also had this to day about the Browns...

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Saved $7-million or so in annual cap room by dropping from 5 to 17, which could buy a Braylon Edwards extension or a rich free-agent contract with another player ... Alex Mack will be a solid 10-year center ... Two receivers in the second round will keep Edwards honest. Or should ... Now, judging the trade: Tough call. I had one GM say it was a rout for the Jets, another said the Browns won. Not to cop out, but we need time to see how the Browns did. The Browns win, in my opinion, if Abram Elam becomes a solid starter (he should) and if Kenyon Coleman becomes a solid part of the defensive-line rotation (he should). And Mangini loves Brett Ratliff. He's given the kid one NFL chance, and now he's giving him another.




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He later said...

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You watch: Abram Elam will make a Pro Bowl someday in Cleveland.




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You watch: Abram Elam will make a Pro Bowl someday in Cleveland.




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But he isn't an impact player!


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jc... interesting read on our boy Elam. Sounds like he's had a life of hard knocks. Not sure about his alleged sex charges... I guess we have to hope he wouldn't put himself in those situations anymore and that he learned from it.

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The path to redemption, to a Thanksgiving worth celebrating, led briefly to the Jets' auditorium Wednesday in Florham Park. There wasn't much, just a few kind words from the coach in the team's morning meeting. Abram Elam had been named the club's defensive player of the week, after a season-high 10 tackles against Tennessee.

Elam, a safety, has seen it all in his 27-year lifetime, far too much violence and despair for a man his age. Some of this he has brought upon himself. Most he has not. It was part of life's dire fabric that defined his hometown, Riviera Beach, Fla., where Elam's father was an ordained minister and where the body count never stopped for a bye week.

He has lost three siblings there to bullets, the latest one murdered in May. The first, Donald Runner, was gunned down in a drive-by shooting back in 1987, when Elam was 6 and figured this was the sort of event that probably happened in most families.

His younger sister, Christina, died in 1999 at age 12 bleeding in Elam's arms, shot as the result of somebody else's petty argument. That tragedy was tougher, nearly unbearable. Then this spring, his older brother, Donald Jr., became the third family victim in two decades, after being murdered in the same neighborhood with no apparent explanation.

His family has mourned and mourned again. But if there is bitterness, it isn't obvious. Elam discusses these matters with practiced poise and reflection.

"I'm still thankful for a lot," he said Wednesday, reflecting on the past. "We're truly blessed with the family surrounding us. God let me be the man I can be."

This is the man he is right now: He is a starting NFL player, earning about $450,000 this season. He is active in charity work with kids. He is an eloquent spokesman, an amicable man.

There is more to his story, not all of it pretty. Elam was kicked out of Notre Dame after a conviction for sexual battery. Three teammates were charged with rape, while Elam was not. Only Elam was found guilty, though he served no time.

That might have been it, the end of another bad tale. Elam maintained his innocence. He transferred to Kent State, wasn't drafted, and has fought his way back ever since. This month, he earned a starting spot at safety for good when he returned his first career interception 92 yards for a touchdown in the first quarter at Buffalo.

Elam will start again on Sunday against Denver, against the potent passing combination of Jay Cutler to Brandon Marshall. He has things to work on, he said. Preparation is key. He is quoting from the good book of Mangini.

"You're only as good as your last game," Elam said. "They have a great passing attack. (Cutler) reminds me of a younger Brett Favre. He likes to throw the ball deep. Marshall is a very strong, powerful receiver."

Before that, though, he will have a Thanksgiving. He is still close with Lorenzo Crawford, one of the friends and teammates who was expelled back at Notre Dame before the rape charges were dropped. Crawford lives in Paterson, and both friends intend to invite extended family to the feast. Elam's son, Kaiir, 7, will be there. Another daughter saw him play in Tennessee.

"I cherish my family," Elam said.

It is a long battle, this life of his. An abiding belief in God seems to make it easier for Elam, who takes nothing for granted anymore.

"It only takes one play," he said.

One play, one gunshot. Everything can change. On a day of thanksgiving, Elam understands that better than anyone.


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Elam will start again on Sunday against Denver, against the potent passing combination of Jay Cutler to Brandon Marshall. He has things to work on, he said. Preparation is key. He is quoting from the good book of Mangini.

"You're only as good as your last game," Elam said. "They have a great passing attack. (Cutler) reminds me of a younger Brett Favre. He likes to throw the ball deep. Marshall is a very strong, powerful receiver."




And Cutler went off for 357, 2 TD's and 1 INT. Denver won 34-17. Favre had a big fumble returned for a TD to make it 27-17 and then Cutler beat someone deep right for the clinching touchdown. That's Elam's area....but who knows if he was even on the field or if his responsibilities were to watch deep. He did lead the team in tackles though (very A.Davis like - most were way down the field).


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"the Browns signed Elam, a restricted free-agent, to a one-year, $1.5-million offer sheet"

Wow
Looks the Browns realy,really wanted him bad.Damned near broke the bank.
Rob Ryan thinks so much of him,he brought in Leonard to replace him.
In the new Browns frugality,1.5 for a starting FS seems about right.


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"the Browns signed Elam, a restricted free-agent, to a one-year, $1.5-million offer sheet"

Wow
Looks the Browns realy,really wanted him bad.Damned near broke the bank.
Rob Ryan thinks so much of him,he brought in Leonard to replace him.
In the new Browns frugality,1.5 for a starting FS seems about right.




It's very clear that Elam fits Rob Ryan's defense, but probably not Rex Ryan's defense.


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You're very perceptive.
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Also, the Jets have Jim Leonhard and Kerry Rhodes so Elam was expendable.

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