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I listen to NFL radio everyday going to work and they were pretty much guaranteeing a BE trade to the Giants no later than draft day. When this story came out they were obviously all over it, even giving props to Grossi  All they looked at was the player for player trade and said this would immediately make the Browns better....WTF. I'll still listen to the show but I've lost some respect for them because having their predictions come true supersedes a more logical perspective. Trading BE for Jones will in NO WAY make us better THIS YEAR. How is giving up a #1 WR threat going to make us better? No one in their right mind could believe that Mass is going to come in here and fill that void in his first year, honestly, what are the chances of that happening? I can understand if they throw in a couple of first day picks along with it and I won't be pissed but that will help us more in years to come only.
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The sooner you realize that all of those talk shows are no different than any messageboard on the internet, the better off you'll be.
The only difference is that they get paid to do it, but they also get paid to stir things and create controversy because controversy sells and brings ratings... and that is their SOLE purpose on that show... bring ratings so that they can charge more for every commercial booking. If they don't bring and maintain the ratings, the show gets cancelled and someone else is brought in to do it.
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Daman, I hear what your saying, but how is spewing garbage going to gain him ANY credibility. Hell, I could be a world class journalist if I could get away with writing articles with absolutely no facts to support them.
Cal, it's impossible for me to defend some of the stuff that grossi writes. He gets so off the wall sometimes you have to wonder how he keeps his job..
But my point is still valid,, with the way the Browns are running the show these days,, very tight lipped, there isn't a whole lotta of new stuff to write about, so he's gotta go off on these rants..
I am sure he writes this stuff to see if the Browns will bite on it...
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I am sure he writes this stuff to see if the Browns will bite on it...
U really think that he Browns would see a suggestion/brainstorm/mental papercut by Grossi then say:"Hmmm..that sounds plausible..why didn't we think of that?"
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I hope this isn't true. I would have rather had draft picks than Thomas Jones. I could care less whether Braylon goes or stays.
BE for D'Brickashaw???
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No way. D'Brick isn't that good and he would be even worst on the right side of the line. If we'd do that, I'd be furious. We have no need for him.
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Jericho Cotchery and a 2nd rounder I think would be a fair trade.
But I don't think the Jets would take that deal.
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I wouldn't take that deal and I like Jerricho Cotchery. He is a tough-as-nails WR who loves to go over the middle and make the catch in traffic.
What he is not though is a #1 WR...or a red-zone threat. Both things Braylon can be. Maybe Massaquoi develops into that guy, but until we see more from him, I wouldn't risk it.
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U really think that he Browns would see a suggestion/brainstorm/mental papercut by Grossi then say:"Hmmm..that sounds plausible..why didn't we think of that?"
THis regime, or the last one,, No,, not at all.. Butch Davis would bite at anything however... 
But he has to try something.. Look, I don't agree with that kinda journalism.. if that's even what you want to call it, but Grossi isn't above using it..
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Once again, I don't take that. I don't take a deal from the Jets unless it involves their first round draft pick, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Dustin Keller, Kris Jenkins, Calvin Pace, Vernon Gholston (yes, I still like Gholston), or Kerry Rhodes (Note that these would have to involve picks as well). How many of these guys do you think the Jets would be willing to give up? I'll answer for you; none. It'd have to involve at least their 1st and 3rd for me to give up Braylon.
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I also agree. The thing I fear though is that now some other media pundits are going to now write articles saying "Sources from Cleveland now say that Braylon Edwards may be traded." It's going to be that same snowball/telephone game that we had before the draft with Quinn and whoever else.
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In this case I think the smoke does indicate a fire.
My guess is a player and a conditional pick, dependent on several factors that will play out this season.
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since you called the last one,  more details please. Who is the partner? 
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Hmmmmm, we're going to trade BE for a disgruntled player who may be released?  Ok, Tony, ah, whatever dude. 
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I'd trade BE for D.Revis striaght up.
I'd take a excellent coverage corner, he's young quick and knows Mangini's defence...heck yes I'd take that anyday over a WR who drops passes.
To be the diffrence is Revis shows what he can do all we hear about BE is potential & 2007, give me one that does it over one that could anyday.
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I'd trade BE for D.Revis striaght up.
I'd take a excellent coverage corner, he's young quick and knows Mangini's defence...heck yes I'd take that anyday over a WR who drops passes.
To be the diffrence is Revis shows what he can do all we hear about BE is potential & 2007, give me one that does it over one that could anyday.
Well said. I would think the Jets feel the same way.
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My goldfish is smarter than Grossi
Now thats just mean.....How can you say that about your goldfish.
Grossi does have to do something about his forhead of STO Sunday night countdown, watching the show is annoying on just how shinny and reflective his forhead is, I dont know if he sweats like a cow or they have so much make-up on him but it hurts the eyes watching, but we have to becuase it's fun to watch Doug Deiken get annoyed at Grossi, Ya can sence Doug just wants to reach over and cuff Tony up side the head at times, and I wish he would....
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give me one that does it over one that could anyday.
That's the reason the Jets won't make that trade....
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these rumors will persist thru the summer and training camp. But it is a non-story at this point. Any trade would involve a bunch of picks now, 1st and 3rd minimum, and the browns do not have a replacement for this season. It just does not make sense.
It makes even less sense to trade for an old runningback- Thomas Jones had a few stud years with the bears, and even the bears thought they could do better and drafted a RB (Benson). Now he has more wear on the tires and he is worth BE straight up-- thats idiotic.
I'm still scratching my head at the Giants passing on BE (or Boldin)- i don't think they can win it all this year without a legit veteran receiver. They parted with Toomer and Plax- that is alot to replace.... If they came talking with Kiwi and picks--- i would listen. It would still leave the browns without a number one receiver......
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could also be possible that we like one of there younger rb's....
this story gets out, and they could possibly cut a younger guy that we like, and hang onto jones...then we get that guy for nothing...
it could also like you said be what it is, and it lets any team know that braylon could be available....while at the same time gives us the ablility to discount the trade rumor too....
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I agree that it shocked me that the Giants didn't go after one of the WRs (I would have gone after Boldin if I was them)....but, it does send a good message from their GM that they think they are good enough to win this year with their current team and that they would rather continue to build for the future (Nicks) than go for the quick-fix (BE or Boldin). It also doesn't hurt their cap.
of course, if Nicks doesn't pan out and they fall short because of the lack of a passing game....2nd guessing will abound.
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could also be possible that we like one of there younger rb's....
this story gets out, and they could possibly cut a younger guy that we like, and hang onto jones...then we get that guy for nothing...
it could also like you said be what it is, and it lets any team know that braylon could be available....while at the same time gives us the ablility to discount the trade rumor too....
Lot's of things are possible, including we just keep him, though I think some serious damage control will have to take place. Kind of like a couple who seeks a divorce, then at the last minute try to keep things together. Sometimes to many things have been said and done to really allow that to ever work again, and if nothing else, it is usually a forever changed relationship.
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I don't normally dream about the Browns... but for some reason I dreamed Braylon got traded to Jax last night. It was so vivid in my mind and real that I had to wake up and check dawgtalkers to see if really did happen. I think it was for they're right tackle/guard M. Williams and a 1st and 4th next year. We'll see if dreams do come true... 
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Only one problem. Williams is no longer on the Jags.
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haha.. my subconscious did not know that. I'll tell him and let you know what we come up with tonight. Then maybe Grossi can use it as material for his next article.
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Kind of like a couple who seeks a divorce, then at the last minute try to keep things together. Sometimes to many things have been said and done to really allow that to ever work again, and if nothing else, it is usually a forever changed relationship.
In this divorce scenario they wanted a divorce cause there marriage was unreconcilaible .. but at the last minute they decided to stay together for the kids .. who are a Jr. and Sr. in HS and there gonna stay together until there graduated and away at college ...
Brey gets to stay here and play with a real NFL QB for the first time in his career .... and he can EARN the contract he wants ...
we get alot more in trade value for him next year after his Pro Bowl year ..
and everyone ends up happy ... and the kids are away at college ... 
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Only one problem. Williams is no longer on the Jags.
Maurice is still on the team, your probably thinking of Michael.
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I still think we could deal BE before or during TC for Kiwanuka....the Giants will fold then...their window is NOW....they can´t wait for a Rookie to hopefully pan out/develop, especially with their experience with high drafted WR-prospects...if they see that Umenyora is 100% again they´ll start calling again...Mangini will find out that Veikune isn´t an OLB, especially NOT from day 1 (he´s a ILB, and he´ll be a good one at that...I´m thankful Mangini already alluded to this possibility in his post-draft presser...again, we didn´t draft ANY OLB in this draft, Veikune and Maiava both project to ILB...well Maiava projects to ST-ace and ILB-backup that hopefully never has to play all 3 downs in a game, so he´s our permanent #4 ILB for years to come, hurray, I´m glad THAT positions settled....yes, we drafted a prospect with backup ceiling rigth there, esp. considering who else we have at ILB...I´m all for drafting safe players...but in round 4? with that upside?)....anyway, trading BE for Kiwa makes too much sense for both teams NOT to happen
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Brey gets to stay here and play with a real NFL QB for the first time in his career .... and he can EARN the contract he wants ...
Be like 2007 all over again. DA to BE x 16 plus 1,000+ receiving. For a minute I thought your post was going to be about Quinn. Glad to see you are coming around. There is only one REAL NFL QB on our team and that is DA, so you must mean him. The others are unproven still with Quinns mediocre 4 games not enough to hang anything on.
If he has a breakout year we will franchise him, but my guess is he would like the direction of the team and wanting to stay here when the year is done especially if it is a good one, and the Browns who have freed up a lot of space will be able to offer him a nice guaranteed contract. That's if he doesn't have a year like last, then he is S.O.L., where he will be able to test the waters at a much reduced rate. This is a huge year for him.
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Be like 2007 all over again. DA to BE x 16 plus 1,000+ receiving. For a minute I thought your post was going to be about Quinn. Glad to see you are coming around. There is only one REAL NFL QB on our team and that is DA, so you must mean him. The others are unproven still with Quinns mediocre 4 games not enough to hang anything on.
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Kind of like a couple who seeks a divorce, then at the last minute try to keep things together. Sometimes to many things have been said and done to really allow that to ever work again, and if nothing else, it is usually a forever changed relationship.
In this divorce scenario they wanted a divorce cause there marriage was unreconcilaible .. but at the last minute they decided to stay together for the kids .. who are a Jr. and Sr. in HS and there gonna stay together until there graduated and away at college ...
Brey gets to stay here and play with a real NFL QB for the first time in his career .... and he can EARN the contract he wants ...
we get alot more in trade value for him next year after his Pro Bowl year ..
and everyone ends up happy ... and the kids are away at college ...
As I have said, that certainly is one of the possible scenarios.
Right now the whole situation is pretty fluid...it can go out in any direction.
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I like Quinn, and think he is going to do well as our starter if given the chance, but he hasn't proven anything yet. As for Edwards, I can see your scenario become reality. I'm crossing my fingers Robiskie can step up into a starter role during camp. He was the only Buckeye I thought would be worthy of becoming a Brown. He could develop into the #1 WR in the offense we are going to be running (hopefully with Quinn as the starter) under the new regime. I'd be happy with any trade scenario involving Edwards that would send us a 2010 1st round pick, whether it was before or after the 2009 season.
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