Quote: Isn't that the point .. Josh is " One of a Kind " , yes ????
funny....Cavs have AV who is tough to put a $$$ on for his services. Browns have Cribbs, who is in the same boat.
It's great once they are signed and happy, but it almost always means when their contract is up (which is all the time in the current NFL), you have nasty negotiations to wade through.
"And Miles Austin? That's who you want to compare to Cribbs? Cribbs has as many return yards in a season as Austin has for his career."
He on the rise as a Return man...Kickoff. don't know about punts.
I factored in that HE'S being talked as the #2 WR - ya think that makes up and balances out. Its a lot closer than Hester responsibilities. You know players actual grow and improve. Crayton and him are fighting for the #2 spot and Crayton has been very undisciplined.
I know what I'm talking about. Sorry your 4th option is not current. #2 WR is #2 throwing in a TE is sneaky but has nothing to do with being a starter at WR.
"Probably a big reason they used 3 of their 9 draft picks on WRs this year."
So they used a 3rd, 5th and 7th round pick for WR (note also they had 9 draft picks.) What does that have to do with Hester. He was made the #1 WR cause he's dynamite with the ball in his hands. Where was Cribbs last year on the charts when we needed a #2? #3? But the Bears need depth...none of those guys come close to upseating Hester as their #1.
Way to side track the discussion...lol The point is HESTER was given his contract because he IS WAS AND WILL BE their #1 WR. He is not Cribbs Peer.
As stated an up and comer kick off returner, becoming the #2 WR for the Cowboys is closer to being Cribbs peer. Cribbs has him on the special teams part and Austin has him as development into a position player and STARTER!
Gift horse...stop reading and you won't learn squat
Sanders was an exception and it was his "SPEED" that made that versatility great. And ya know what he wasn't a "GREAT WR" he was a gimmick but he's an exception more cause he played baseball too.
Bo Jackson versatile too.
Adalius Thomas - talking about losing me lol you are talking about an OLB who is playing OLB ya mean versatile cause he can play the run well and pass well?
You lost me there.
Tell me what Cribbs has established himself beyond Special teams that makes him a good WR, good RB, good QB, good DB - yeah he's athletic and can play it...but he aint "GREAT" at any skilled position. There is hope one day but nothing yet.
But you are right...its RAC's fault
Peen...yeah as stated by Daman...its been in several articles even on this thread...see you should never stop reading
but you posters go thinking I'm the crazy one...lol I've said I think he deserves a raise. I never cadoned his tactics to get his way and are doing him more harm than good - why he had to make that statement to the fans which did him no good either.
He's Painting himself into a corner. As dynamic as he is name me one team that ALMOST made it to the Conference Championships or the Super bowl champs that lamented they wish they had a Kick-off returner...its the ONE thing they are missing.
We have set him up because we have had little to be proud of. But he's tearing all of it down now piece by piece each time he points the finger.
Peers. Hester aint him if you all brilliant ones calling me think thats his peer go ahead. Versatile - theoretically I want everyone on the team versatile but when that is your claim to fame it does mean you don't do anything GREAT. Or else you will be concentrating on that position to become the BEST! But you're right Gift Horse...Cribbs is now comparible to Deion Sanders. He's good but he's a freakin special teams player.
Its a new regime...he should get what he deserves but he's miss lead by his Devil Agents making him believe he did it the Good Guy way and look where it got him...that is not the case. There are new people in town, stuff happens. He has to wait ONE MORE YEAR for the new guys to know him better. But they got him so worked up that the Browns are all evil and taking advantage of him.
We might lose him...and that I don't think anyone really wants.
You think he's "GREAT" in multiple positions...and you call me
I rest my case on this one.... too many emotions on it.
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Quote: Isn't that the point .. Josh is " One of a Kind " , yes ????
Josh is not one of a kind. He's a great PR/KR and Special Teamer.
He can be replaced by 2 players and pay much less money than what he is asking. If you think paying Cribbs like the Bears pay Hester, then Cribbs needs to prove he is more than a special teamer.
Quote: Cribbs has the most memorable play in recent Browns history.... And he ALMOST lead them to a victory over the Steelers... The Browns need him.. He's an asset to the organization... You invest in your assets.
Man, great video and clever title. I wonder who upped that.
Sorry for the shameless self promotion. Then again, isn't that what Josh or at least his agent is doing?
"Teams don't honor their contracts... So why can't the player renegotiate?"
I agree in some cases of increased value a team should re-negotiate.
But it has to be a mutual thing. The players and the key here THEIR AGENTS lost control in these situations when they lost the STRIKE (Thank Goodness) back in 82.
Because of that Players have been treated with very fairly considering they lost the strike...but it also gave the owners control of what was to be considered fair...NOT THE AGENTS which I feel has ruined Baseball and Hockey.
The key control was every contract signed would be binding with the EMPLOYEE (Player) but not "GUARANTEED" by the Employer. Anyone who knows - recognizes the fact its not the size of the total contract (waved around by the agents as their advertisement to get more clients) its the GUARANTEED portion of the contracts that has meaning.
Did Cribbs sign a bad deal as it turned out? Yes, but at the time he was a 2 year UDFA showing some flash in the Return game. He was getting league minimum and here was a 2 Mil Bonus upfront with 6 years at a mil each year!!! Was great at the time.
But the point missing is that what worries me about all this is although I think he deserves more but I think Cribbs has been poisoned by his new agents on how MUCH MORE that would be.
Also there are 4 more years on the contract. Sometimes Fate does play a hand in things and Savage/RAC noted that he deserved more. But they are not here...Cribbs has to recognize the fact the new guys would like to address his worth on the field - IN THEIR SYSTEM and then assess how much he's worth. At what he is currently it will not be much more and I'm sure Cribbs would be insulted at the offer. Actually I'm sure they are. Their Agents have mentioned that they don't consider M/K addressing this the way they want...They made an offer and they want a close offer by M/K but at the extreme High that is it actually forces them to say...WOAH for this kind of money we got to see it on the field and in a position player contribution. We have none of that.
In that train of thought - "Promises by Savage/RAC"
Then maybe BQ should hold out too...Wasn't it RAC who stated - BQ is the starting QB next year. Why is he not given the position Out right now???
JMHO - stuff happens and Cribbs has to face facts if he wants a little more reward - ok sit tight and the guys will probably give that to him prior to the start of the season. But if he wants some big MEGA deal...he will have to play another year on the 4 he has left and give them a taste of how they intend to utilize those skills in a position player...cause that is where the MEGA bucks are.
Sign DQ first...Sign Dawson first just cause Cribbs is the Squeakiest wheel we should not make him the priority.
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bottom line is this is whats wrong with the cba....
huge money to rookies, who haven't played a down of football...most are busts...then you have the players that were drafted late, or rookie free agents who materialize into good players and they get to work for less....
thats totally backwards...
roookie salaries should be set at much lower rates.....once you prove you can do the job...you get more cash....and the contract if signed should be honored for the duration by both sides....
Quote: Adalius Thomas - talking about losing me lol you are talking about an OLB who is playing OLB ya mean versatile cause he can play the run well and pass well?
You lost me there.
I know you think a lot of yourself and your "knowledge" but when I have to chose between your opinion and Belicheck's I'm going to side with BB . BB's number one reason when asked why he wanted Adalius - "His versatility".
While it's clear that you're not really listening to the arguements that I or anyone else disagreeing with you are making the funny part is that you're no longer even listening to yourself .
You argue that Cribbs is under contract and should fulfill the letter of the contract; that the Browns are fully in the right holding him to his contract "as-is".
Then you immediately turn and bash Cribbs for holding out of VOLUNTARY OTA's - which are specificly noted in the all-mighty contract as voluntary!
Cribbs is currently honoring the letter of the contract 100% .
You can't have both sides of the fence Pick one and live with it.
I stopped giving my opinion on this matter (give him a decent raise) about five pages ago. OK I guess I didn't stop five pages ago because I just wrote it again.... but I'm done now.
Hey, did you notice that everyone is freaked out about paying Cribbs $3M a year because he's "only a special teamer" but no one has complained about our long snapper Pontbriand getting over $4 M ?
The fact that you think he is actually counting that much against the cap is rather sad. I shouldn't even bother trying to explain the salary cap to you. There are these things called LTBE bonuses, and Pontbriand has them in his contract. He is probably getting less than a million, and the other $3 million are actually adding to our cap space.
Quote: The fact that you think he is actually counting that much against the cap is rather sad. I shouldn't even bother trying to explain the salary cap to you. There are these things called LTBE bonuses, and Pontbriand has them in his contract. He is probably getting less than a million, and the other $3 million are actually adding to our cap space.
You keep posting this arguement without anything to back it up. Got a link?
Or are you not only an NFL Scout but Pontbriand's agent as well? I'm beginning to realize that you really don't have any understanding of the salary cap at all. (but if you want to keep chiming in on it just back your position up with a link or something).
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"I know you think a lot of yourself and your "knowledge" but when I have to chose between your opinion and Belicheck's I'm going to side with BB . BB's number one reason when asked why he wanted Adalius - "His versatility".
Yeah I can't be correct its my EGO...
BB??? The versatality he talks about is not in a massive multiple positions. Its the Versatility to show different looks and not have to put in Specialists and he could do a wide range. What does that have to do with somebody playing OFFENSE and Defense or WR or RB or DB versatility. Man you guys with NO football Knowledge will try to pull anything out of your ass to look good
btw...thanks for the laughs. Don't take it too serious I'm busting your chops...and enjoying it
"You argue that Cribbs is under contract and should fulfill the letter of the contract; that the Browns are fully in the right holding him to his contract "as-is".
but seriously...me thinks you got a reading problem cause I don't make that argument at all. Tell me one sentence where I even suggest that Cribbs should fulfill the letter of the contract. I'm saying post after post I think he deserves more...but not a lot more. That would require a position player job and if that is the case he should wait a year and let the new guys work him into one.
Don't make crap up to benefit your opinion, nothing is less becoming.
"Then you immediately turn and bash Cribbs for holding out of VOLUNTARY OTA's - which are specificly noted in the all-mighty contract as voluntary!"
An outright lie...posting at its lowest
1. at the onset I came back to the board and posted a 2nd post stating its not as bad as first thought cause its Volunteer. So you don't know what you're talking about.
2. I also noted how Dawson is supposedly doing the exact same thing but there is hardly a word of boo about it.
3. I also stated he deserves more.
So basically you just make crap up where ever you wish cause you read a poster saying those things but they were not me.
"You can't have both sides of the fence Pick one and live with it."
Funny thing is you thing you found a loop hole to catch me at something...lol - too bad it has nothing to do with my opinion.
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Exactly. THAT is how much Pontbriand actually makes.
And I don't have to be his agent to know that. I think just about everyone does. You'll see quite a few contracts that are skewed like that due to these bonuses.
I really don't appreciate the dig. And I never said that you don't understand the cap at all.
BucketHead: I know you didn't respond in this thread, but you have it set where you can't accept PM's.
To clarify what the recently-testy DT means, there are two types of bonuses that are written into contracts... likely-to-be-earned (LTBE) and not-likely-to-be-earned (NLTBE.)
LTBE bonuses count against the salary cap for the year that they are applied to the contract, and if they are not met, the team's cap for the next year gets that money (if there are $5mil in LTBE bonuses in 2008's season that were not met, the team's cap for 2009 goes from $128 to $133.) The opposite is true for NLTBE bonuses... they initially don't count against the cap for the performance year but if they are met they count as $$$ against the next year's cap.
What determines whether a bonus is LTBE or NLTBE for offense and defense is based on whether or not the player met those numbers the previous year. If a player had 55 tackles in 2008, and their contract has a $500k bonus for 2009 for 60 tackles, the $500k does NOT count against the cap for 2009. If the bonus was set for 50 tackles in 2009, the bonus is LTBE and immediately counts against the 2009 cap.
Now here's the kicker... ALL special teams performance bonuses are likely-to-be-earned. A team can move extra cap money from one year to the next by offering unattainable but "LTBE" bonuses on special teams. Obviously none of us know what Ponti's contract says, but it may say something like Salary: $875,000 with $3.125mil if he achieves 10,000 special-teams tackles, giving a $4mil cap number.
That would give us an extra $3.125 million on next year's cap IF THERE WAS ONE. Of course I'm sure pontbriand's deal was made in anticipation of the CBA getting extended. It's still not clear if that's going to happen.
*L* Recently testy. I'm only testy when people I'm debating with are, well, rude and not nice. I've been attempting to improve on this "testiness".
I don't recall the special teams part of the LTBE bonuses, but it is possible. What I know is true, is that if a contract is extended during the season, all bonuses are automatically LTBE. We did it with Dorsey as well.
Quote: Josh is not one of a kind. He's a great PR/KR and Special Teamer.
He can be replaced by 2 players and pay much less money than what he is asking. If you think paying Cribbs like the Bears pay Hester, then Cribbs needs to prove he is more than a special teamer.
Cribbs isn't getting Hester money. I don't think he has any illusions about that at all.
But this nonsense of "replacing guys" has got to stop. To listen to 90% of the posters on here, anyone is replaceable and we can easily find anyone to step in and make a contribution in the same fashion as the replaceable guy. Yeah, talent is that easy to come by. That's why we've been so good for the last 20 years.
We finally have a nice solid nucleus of talented players. Let's run them all out of town. We are so used to losing, it's become a way of life. Might as well do what we can to keep that on track.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
I have to make 1 adjustment here... tackles are actually not an eligible statistic for LTBE/NLTBE consideration. Actually, the only defensive statistics applicable to this are related to picks, fumbles, and sacks. All performance bonus statistics which aren't specified in the CBA are considering LTBE, and can presumably be used to move money to future year's caps.
See page 109 of the linked document (p. 125 of the pdf) for the actual language if you're interested.
I think pointibrands figures revolved around number of special team snaps he took(not his kind of snaps)
Say the number was 80% which is a realistic number for a special teamer....except we never play the guy on plays that don't require him to snap the ball....like kickoffs, kick returns, punt returns....so he doesn't earn the bonus and the money is credited to the next season.
It's a common way teams pad their cap if they have a bit of a pad this season and are afraid they might not have the pad next season.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: Josh is not one of a kind. He's a great PR/KR and Special Teamer.
He can be replaced by 2 players and pay much less money than what he is asking. If you think paying Cribbs like the Bears pay Hester, then Cribbs needs to prove he is more than a special teamer.
Cribbs isn't getting Hester money. I don't think he has any illusions about that at all.
But this nonsense of "replacing guys" has got to stop. To listen to 90% of the posters on here, anyone is replaceable and we can easily find anyone to step in and make a contribution in the same fashion as the replaceable guy. Yeah, talent is that easy to come by. That's why we've been so good for the last 20 years.
We finally have a nice solid nucleus of talented players. Let's run them all out of town. We are so used to losing, it's become a way of life. Might as well do what we can to keep that on track.
I'm at the forefront of " no one is irreplacable" camp.
Why? Because it's true. We got over losing Jim Brown. Does the name Leroy Kelly ring a bell?
Are we a better team with Cribbs? Probably yes, not for certain though. Would it hurt to throw him a bone? No, but he is prolly not helping his case by acting the way he is. but back to why he is replaceable...
Cribbs is in on how many plays a game? How often does he make a spectacular play a game? His KO return yardage for his best season was 26.3. Very good but it isn't like every other return goes 60 or more yards. He does not make a spectacular play more than every other game on average.
Remember, it was Cribbs' agents that are using Hester's salary as a starting point.
If the Cribbs camp had kept this quiet the FO would maybe had taken care of him. But you can't allow the inmates to run the asylum.Cribbs and company got too impatient.
Quote: I'm at the forefront of " no one is irreplacable" camp.
Then you'd be wrong just like the rest if success is your bottom line. Not all football players are created equally. This isn't the office down the street where a kid getting paid $50k can do the same job of the old guy getting $100k.
Quote: Why? Because it's true. We got over losing Jim Brown. Does the name Leroy Kelly ring a bell?
"Got over" and actually finding "equal" replacements for these guys are two different things. You realize we haven't won a Championship since '64 right?
Quote: Are we a better team with Cribbs? Probably yes, not for certain though.
Probably? All I can say is how quickly we as fans forget. The minute we don't like a guy or don't agree with the way he is going about something, our opinions change like the wind. You honestly believe we are a better team without Cribbs? ... the guy who is a threat every single time to take it to the house on punt and kickoff returns? ... the guy who is the best gunner in the league and leads our team in special teams tackles? ... that guy? ... let's just pick another one of those off the street. I mean it's that easy, right?
Quote: but back to why he is replaceable...
Cribbs is in on how many plays a game? How often does he make a spectacular play a game? His KO return yardage for his best season was 26.3. Very good but it isn't like every other return goes 60 or more yards. He does not make a spectacular play more than every other game on average.
How quickly we forget how important special teams are. The same people that don't agree with how Cribbs is handling this and want to run him out of town are the same people that wanted Edwards out too and would have been sulking about our passing game the entire season. Why we as fans want to see our best players leave is baffling to me. And how we continue to justify it is equally as baffling.
Quote: Remember, it was Cribbs' agents that are using Hester's salary as a starting point.
Key words: Starting Point. Aim high, hope you don't have to fall too low. There's nothing more there. I'm sure Cribbs knows he isn't sniffing that.
Quote: If the Cribbs camp had kept this quiet the FO would maybe had taken care of him.
BS. You don't know all that's happened behind the scenes. Maybe he felt like he was at the end of his rope, and this was the only option left. When do we give guys the benefit of the doubt around here? We are so quick to pass judgment because these guys make 10x and 20x and 30x and even more than most of us, and we think that's enough. It's not about that. It's about fairness.
Did he sign that contract? Yes. But apparently - behind the scenes - he expressed regret at that. The FO at that time implied they would look at it. It's like you going to your boss and saying "Hey, I'm getting paid half of what Bob is, but doing more work and at a higher quality. Can we talk about addressing this?" Boss says "Sure, let's talk next week" ... then dodges you like the plaque. So what can you do? You can give the Boss the biggest "up yours" by quitting and moving onto another company. What can these football players do in this situation?
I would feel far less sorry for these guys if the contracts had to be honored, but they don't ... and that's the issue in all of this.
But back to the "replaceability" ... this guy is not easily replaced, and I believe it would be in the best interest of the team to find his true value and let him sign that contract and move on. This guy has been a rock for us and a good citizen to boot. He wants to be here. He plays hard every single possession. He is exactly the type of guy Mangini and has said he wanted ... exactly. We have the money to do this. Let's make it right. We need him. He is not irreplaceable unless you are willing to see a dropoff in play from the ST unit.
And I am not one to take the players side every time one of these deals goes down. But looking at this case by itself, the answer seems so easy to me. Give the guy a freakin' raise. He's EARNED it, and he's a huge part of our team.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Quote: "Then you immediately turn and bash Cribbs for holding out of VOLUNTARY OTA's - which are specificly noted in the all-mighty contract as voluntary!"
An outright lie...posting at its lowest
1. at the onset I came back to the board and posted a 2nd post stating its not as bad as first thought cause its Volunteer. So you don't know what you're talking about.
and then:
Quote: Still disgusted - cause again If I'm the man in charge I feel almost even if I was about to sit down and bang out a deal that I cannot now cause it would set a precedent of a demands. I almost have to play hardball as a matter of principle.
And if push comes to shove. Then I have to make an example of Cribbs.
I'm not going to go through all the pages and put a spread sheet together on your statements and and retractions. Just don't talk out your arse in the first place and you won't have to issue retractions.
But when you're jumping from one side of the fence back and forth and retracting this and adding that you're probably going to grow some thicker skin and live with being called for it .
Quote: Don't make crap up to benefit your opinion, nothing is less becoming.
If there is one piece of advise I can give you - that would be it
Dude .. about the only thing U oughta be doing right now is telling Deep how u want YOUR CROW PREPARED ... medium or well and with or without onions ..
I find it pretty low that U were just proven to be FOS and decide to just go rag on another poster ....
Still disgusted - cause again If I'm the man in charge I feel almost even if I was about to sit down and bang out a deal that I cannot now cause it would set a precedent of a demands. I almost have to play hardball as a matter of principle.
And if push comes to shove. Then I have to make an example of Cribbs.
Again you think you are proving something - only how low a poster you will be
And just what did that mean...Its partially my fault cause I do write things that I ASSume intelligent people can digest.
Let me put it in terms that you can understand.
Cribbs - talking bad - Say Randy Liar. Say being used.
If I HC I almost can do no negotiations cause its Extreme demand.
If Cribbs persist and becomes Cancer - I would expect it to be cut out.
Back to normal people speak who I will just hope you can understand.
Where am I stating he has to be at the letter of the law. Where do I state sitting out Voluntary workouts as a Dangerous Cancer that needs to be cut out.
It ain't the sitting out that bothers me SILLY its HOW HE IS GOING ABOUT IT THAT SCARES ME!
" Just don't talk out your arse in the first place and you won't have to issue retractions."
You proved absolutely nothing except that you are actually a bigger fool than I expected. man this is like Grade School smack you are giving me that just doesn't make sense or prove your point. What world do you live in
retractions??? None here they are out there black n white and you prove nothing accept that you really don't have the intelligence to actually read and comprehend what was written.
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Quote: Exactly. THAT is how much Pontbriand actually makes.
And I don't have to be his agent to know that.
If Fox Sports got the number wrong that's actually a good thing. It looks like they just put the entire new deal into a one year slot.
As to the "agent dig" - you make a lot of "claims" on here and I don't think it's wrong to ask you to back them up with something more than "trust me".
Don't take it personal, things don't always translate in text the way they would face to face. Sure I was "digging at you" but it wasn't meant in a hateful way
"As to the "agent dig" - you make a lot of "claims" on here and I don't think it's wrong to ask you to back them up with something more than "trust me".
Boy you talk as if Deep made the mistake...this is the way you say MY BAD but then in your mind you think you were still right
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Great, I think you're pretty slow and talk out your butt left and right. When you get called on it you spaz and cry. You make it clear that being called on it won't stop you. Got it.
Can we embrace our mutual disdain and let it go without littering all over the board?
I do make "claims" because often it isn't linkable. In this case it was, but to be honest, I didn't know that it would be, and was too busy with helping my dad to look and find out. If you want me to stop making these "claims", I gladly will. But I think that people on here appreciate all the inside info they can get, so I will continue to do so until someone complains.
You still don't get it....You proved nothing except something in your own little mind
I'm like a DAWG...I live in the moment and right now I have no respect for you. Tomorrow is another day. You will say some bs about the feeling is mutual except for one thing. You made no point you didn't call anyone out except in a FICTICIOUS manner.
Have a nice day
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Quote: I think pointibrands figures revolved around number of special team snaps he took(not his kind of snaps)
Say the number was 80% which is a realistic number for a special teamer....except we never play the guy on plays that don't require him to snap the ball....like kickoffs, kick returns, punt returns....so he doesn't earn the bonus and the money is credited to the next season.
It's a common way teams pad their cap if they have a bit of a pad this season and are afraid they might not have the pad next season.
I don't think that special teams incentives "count". What I seem to remember is a clause stating that he'd receive some ungodly bonus if he started games at Center. (As in starting on the OL in Fraley's spot) He had NO chance at doing that, but the way incentives are strictured, incentives of this type are considered "likely to be earned", and count against the cap. Obviously he didn't start any games, and the Browns got that same dollar amount credited back against the following year's cap as a result. The browns didn't pay him any of the bonuses, because just because "LTBE" is an accounting tool, and not a mandate.
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There are only a few real difference makers right now on this team. Could we replace Joe Thomas? Sure. Would we be a much much worse team. Absolutely. And we're not good right now!
Cribbs is one of those difference makers. A player who can single handedly change the dynamic of the game. Steptoe is not going to replicate what Cribbs brings to the table.
The point is HESTER was given his contract because he IS WAS AND WILL BE their #1 WR. He is not Cribbs Peer.
lol 
but you posters go thinking I'm the crazy one...lol 
making him believe he did it the Good Guy way and look where it got him...that is not the case. There are new people in town, stuff happens. He has to wait ONE MORE YEAR for the new guys to know him better. But they got him so worked up that the Browns are all evil and taking advantage of him. 
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- which are specificly noted in the all-mighty contract as voluntary!
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I'm beginning to realize that you really don't have any understanding of the salary cap at all. (but if you want to keep chiming in on it just back your position up with a link or something). 
its HOW HE IS GOING ABOUT IT THAT SCARES ME!
man this is like Grade School smack you are giving me that just doesn't make sense or prove your point. What world do you live in 
You make it clear that being called on it won't stop you. Got it.
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