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God, our moronic team doesn't even know how to foul a guy correctly. What was Sasha trying to do, get him to dance with him?
It's pretty clear that this team is still one piece away. We need another guy who doesn't succumb to loser mentality.
i was just talking to my brother about this, can you imagine what this series would be like if we made the shaq trade. And then seeing boozer, wonder how that would have been different. Right now the only mismatch we have is lebron> anyone they put on him, All the other matchups are going magic way, especially when their bench comes in. I wish we had a guy like pietrus coming in
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I know, it does suck that this is a 3 game series.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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On the bright side... I can't possibly imagine how the Cavs could play any worse than they did tonight... and it was a 2 possession game in the final minute. Stupid turnovers, nobody could hit a shot, Howard was well above his season average from the line, LeBron went cold from the line in the 4th... stupid fouls all over the place... nothing went right and we were in the game until the end....
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We are a coach away....
Both losses have been due to lack of discipline. Who's fault is that? Mike Brown's.
I've NEVER liked Mike Brown... I hope some of you are starting to see why...
I dunno, but I'm thinking shooting like 30% from the field and missing free throws has a little something to do with it...
They couldn't buy a jumpshot tonight. They haven't hit 'em all series, and tonight was beyond putrid. If we weren't getting fouled and being sent to the line, we'd have scored like 60 some points.
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We are a coach away....
Both losses have been due to lack of discipline. Who's fault is that? Mike Brown's.
I've NEVER liked Mike Brown... I hope some of you are starting to see why...
He was the Fricking Coach of the YEAR!?
It is just the wrong time for our team to forget how to shoot.
We will still take this series in 7.
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I have to agree.. Mike Brown is doing a great job.. somebody just has to step up and be the #2 scorer... Right now we might as well be playing with LeBron and 4 Ben Wallaces.
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We are a coach away....
Both losses have been due to lack of discipline. Who's fault is that? Mike Brown's.
I've NEVER liked Mike Brown... I hope some of you are starting to see why...
What so some new coach comes in and these guys decide to start making their free throws and 3 pointers? Hilarious, MIke Brown's D has become a benchmark of the franchise. Just try not to break your binky tonight.
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Totally. Mike Brown can't be faulted for the inability of Z, Mo, and Delonte to focus and make wide open looks. Its not his fault that he's getting 8 points per night from his bench in this series. He can't make his players not make poor in-game decisions.
Those are the reasons the Cavs are losing. The starters sans Lebron aren't focused and aren't hitting shots, so they are looking to pass instead, but the problem is nobody wants to shoot so they force bad passes that get stolen or get into situations where they have a to force a shot to beat the shotclock. And then the bench just comes in and flat-out blows.
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The scary part is you can tell Mo's confidence is shaken. He's passing up shots he normally would have taken. I noticed it in game 1, game 2, and he did it again tonight. He's even starting to miss his free throws. This is a hell of a time to get into a major slump.
Nobody can buy a jumper on this team. We are missing wide open looks, hesitating, and passing it off. A confident team wouldn't do that- we were playing at such a high level and now we have to watch this unravel. That's the problem. Not the coaching. You can't win at basketball if you can't sink a shot.
Isn't that the premise of the game?
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This problem is bigger than forgetting how to shoot. Confidence does have a lot to do with it and I do agree that we are getting out coached.
There's a fundamental matchup problem. Our D doesn't contain their O. Van Gundy pretty much said as much during one of the mic-in-the-huddle moments. Park Howard under the hoop defensively, get the rebound, fast break forcing us into transition D (where we suck) post Howard again under the hoop and do the little option play where they bring someone in the lane for the layup/field goal forcing the double and either shoot or pass the quick out to the perimeter where there's invariably a solid shooter with an open look. How many times did we see Andy or Delonte sprinting out to the 3 line to get a hand up too late on the open look? This comes down to Brown, CHANGE UP THE D! Commit to the perimeter. Let Howard get his points but fight for all the boards.
On the O end, we're looking lost. Thier D is actually quite effective at rattling us. We're shooting awfully but what's more we're assisting awfully. We not loose, not having fun and we're requiring LeBron to do it himself.
I want desperately to be wrong but I stand by my prediction after game 1... we lose this in 6. Which is too bad because I think we could beat LA or Denver and funnily enough both of those teams match up better against the Magic than we do. Go figure. LA or Denver would of course be tough series for us that could go either way but we could play OUR game and if we execute at a high level we can win. With Orlando it's always like a bucket with a big hole in it. We have to pour it in faster than it's dumping out but we can't seem to just fix the freaking hole. We're a low tempo D team, not a shootout team, we won't win 4 out of 7 shootouts against a team we can't seem to defend from the field. We basically just need them to shoot badly on their own, which they pretty much did tonight and beat us anyway.
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The scary part is you can tell Mo's confidence is shaken. He's passing up shots he normally would have taken. I noticed it in game 1, game 2, and he did it again tonight. He's even starting to miss his free throws. This is a hell of a time to get into a major slump.
Nobody can buy a jumper on this team. We are missing wide open looks, hesitating, and passing it off. A confident team wouldn't do that- we were playing at such a high level and now we have to watch this unravel. That's the problem. Not the coaching. You can't win at basketball if you can't sink a shot.
Isn't that the premise of the game?
Couldn't agree more. It's not the coaching....if just a couple of those horrible misses go in, the Cavs win. We had better looks at the hoop, but Orlando drained more of theirs. It's simply amazing how nobody on a team in the conference finals can hit a wide open shot......and that the game was still close in the last two minutes.
Mo, Delonte and Z better find their touch or it's over.
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Was not able to see the game tonight but just read the recap.
Does everyone realize the Cavs are one miracle shot away from being down 0-3 in this series?
Although they had the best record in the league, they did it in a fairly weak Eastern Conference. But more importantly, their record against the NBA's elite was terrible. It's playing itself out in the playoffs right now. The Cavs are a couple of pieces away from being serious contenders. They need a quality big ... Bosh anyone? And a big scoring guard ... similar to a Peitrus would be nice as well.
LBJ can still carry this team all the way because he's that good. But it's looking less likely they are going to be able to beat the Magic.
In the other seriers I'm sick to my stomach over the lack of disciplined play from the Nuggets. If anyone is watching that series, it's rather obvious that the Nuggets are the better team, but they play the most undisciplined basketball on both sides of the floor that I have ever seen. They continue to let the Lakers hang around ... dangerous proposition with Kobe on that team ... and he's made them pay for it. I'm an anti-Laker guy, and I am pulling for the Nuggets. If LA wins and Orlando wins ... championship LA.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Does everyone realize the Cavs are one miracle shot away from being down 0-3 in this series?
I'm not high on optimism for this series..but...
We're also [blank] away from being up 3-0.
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Even if we somehow win this series, I would overhaul our whole frontline. maybe keep Joe Smith, for depth, but I would try to trade Z, Wallace, and Varejo. Anderson is a nice player but he won't be worth the money he'll be asking for this off-season. WE need someone that has a post game and could hit a shot. Z only coud shoot a jumper. Howard isn't even respecting Z on offense. He's just shadowing Lebron when he tries to drive to the hoop.
I would be targeting Amare, Bosh, Boozer, and Shaq Oneil. I would give up everyone with the exeption of Mo, and possibly West. If it takes giving up Hikson, I would do that too.
It seems our bigs are intimidated by Howard. They are nowhere to be found offensively. If your shot gets blocked so what. You must attack howard. the only one doing that is Lebron. Everyone else is taking jumpers, or passing it.
We got enough stops tonight, the offense didn't do it's job.
WE need to play WAlly. See if he could make some open looks. Mo doesn't look like he has the mental toughness to hit shots in the playoffs. his lack of experience is showing. it's not about match-ups, as it is guys having the makeup it takes to succeed in the playoffs.
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Does everyone realize the Cavs are one miracle shot away from being down 0-3 in this series?
I'm not high on optimism for this series..but...
We're also [blank] away from being up 3-0.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda is a fun game to play.
From what I read in the recap and from the final score, I'm not sure you can claim tonight's game as going either way. Seems Orlando put the clamps on the second half and the Cavs couldn't get it going. Game 2 ... come on, nobody, and I mean nobody is expected to hit a shot with 1 second left. Shouldn't have happened, but it did and thankfully so.
The games are 48 minutes long and big leads in the first half don't mean anything. If you are watching the games, it's obvious Orlando is the better team. It's much, much closer to being 3-0 Orlando than the other way around.
I feel like the biggest doomsday guy on here with the Cavs, and I apologize to all you guys for that. I'm just trying to be objective. I want the Cavs to win badly for the city of Cleveland ... not for me. I've only got so many emotions to delve out, and they are reserved for the Browns so I feel like I can step back and be objective about this whereas many of the posters who are more emotionally invested in the Cavs saw the best record in the league, home court advantage throughout, and had the Cavs already getting ring fitted.
I apologize to all you guys. I don't mean to be so negative. I hope like hell the Cavs can pull this together and win it all. With LBJ they will always have a chance.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yup. I hope the players not named Lebron finally show up.
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Couldn't agree more. It's not the coaching....if just a couple of those horrible misses go in, the Cavs win. We had better looks at the hoop, but Orlando drained more of theirs. It's simply amazing how nobody on a team in the conference finals can hit a wide open shot......and that the game was still close in the last two minutes.
Mo, Delonte and Z better find their touch or it's over.
And this is really the problem ... Not the defense (even though that's been far from good), not the lack of a big man, and definitely not the coaching. 
It's been the complete lack of confidence from these three. For years, our biggest problem was that Lebron never had a second banana to take up the scoring slack. This year, we had three guys that could do it on any given night. If one of them had a bad night ... the other two were there to take over. It was rare that all three of them were off, and if they were ... it usually accounted for one of our rare losses.
This series, Orlando's D has NOT been that great. The guys are getting open looks. But for whatever reason, they are suffering from major tightsphinchterous and whiffing on a ton of these looks. Now it's so bad, that they are just passing up open looks, to dribble around and pass more, leading to increased turnovers.
Through 3 games, Mo is shooting 32% ... and he's supposed to be our #2 shooting option.
While West and Z's overall percentages look alright ... what they won't show is the number of shots missed in the second half. It seems like they are only hitting in those big first half runs, when the pressure is off. It also doesn't show the number of open looks that they passed up because of lack of confidence that led to turnovers or bad shots taken by someone else.
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Z really killed us last night, he couldn't make a shot besides the little jumper just outside the paint. I thought Mo played a little better in the beginning, but then after he got whacked in the face he went cold.
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Everybody but Lebron is playing to uptight. Mo is playing out of control and making to many stupid mistakes. Unless the guys relax and play like they did during the regular season (and the first two rounds of the playoffs) we don't stand a chance. Yes we do not match up well against Orlando, however if we play up to our potential we can still pull this series out.
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We have to win 2 in a row at some point to win this thing, and we have to win on Tuesday or we are done because winning 3 in a row probably isn't going to happen.
I don't understand how Wally averaged 20mpg during the season and in the playoffs he is averaging half of that?
I know James went to Brown pushing for Sasha to play more...well, maybe we need to go back to doing what got us here.
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we gotta stop turning the ball over, and taking stupid shots.
that's pretty much it.
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I know Big Ben went down earlier in the season with a leg injury but is it still bothering him or is there some other reason for his major decline in minutes? He went from averaging over 24 minutes a game before the injury to 11.5 minutes a game since he's been back.
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This team has been so dominant during the playoffs it just seems that they are getting pushed and they don't know what to do.
It's kinda like the movie the Replacements and the reference to quicksand. One thing go's wrong, then another , then another and then you realize that you are over your head.
The bad part about it is the fact that LeBron IS a local guy and he does know more than anybody on that team about Cleveland's choke jobs. And if we don't win a championship by the time he is a free agent then he is as good as gone. The guy is a winner through and through and he's not gonna stay on a team where he can't win a championship.
I'm not as upset as everyone on here cause I called this. I knew the Magic would do this to us but I was hoping I was wrong. I's not over yet but it's not looking good so far.
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Yeah, honestly we're making Orlando look a lot better then they really are. Save LeBron, no one else on the floor wants to shoot the ball. Time after time guys passed up open looks that they were not passing up throughout the season. LBJ can't do it by himself. Seriously, it's unbelievable to watch professional players looking like they want to go hide in a hole. Also, we need to get LeBron off of Alston. He's a mediocre player. I understand the concept of allowing LBJ to help off on other players but it be more beneficial for him to stick with Lewis and completely shut him down. Alston is not going to beat us, Lewis clearly will. Also, the entire team just looks like it's thrown it's fun loving attitude out the window. It's caused guys to really tighten up and play like crap. If I was Brown, I would not even have them practice today, I would make them go to an open mic night or something and do some karaoke.  They need to let out a collective breath and re-gather themselves. They're playing WAY too tight. The one thing I would do is put Darnell Jackson in to use 6 fouls on Howard and beat the crap out of him. Keep it clean but literally drill him if we're going to take a foul. Just slapping his arms isn't going to discourage him from attacking the rim. We honestly need to take an '89 Bad Boys attitude with this team. Orlando, IMO, is a soft jump shooting team. When Boston got really physical with them, they won games. Given how touchy game 3 was, I would guess game 4 will be rough and tubmle. Regardless of strategy, we have to get some production from someone else. Having LeBron go 1 on 5 against a team as talented as Orlando isn't going to work.
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I agree with everything Nas just said. Take this team to Disney World or something to loosen them up. Have Ben and Darnell beat the hell out of Dwight. I'm pretty sure after 12 fouls Dwight will be feeling it. Make LeBron guard Lewis!!!! It's not all doom and gloom just yet guys. Game 4 is a must win and that would quickly turn the tide in our favor. If we lose that game the series is over and we would just be playing for pride after that point. 
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Game 4 is not a must-win... but it is close IMO.
Being down 3-1 isn't impossible, with two of those games at home.
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I agree with the assessment Nas.. I am upset with the poor shot selection. Mo and Delonte need to take better shots and not rely on the bombs to get points. Getting Z more involved in the offense would help. We MUST get an answer for Lewis, he's killing us.
I'm not sure that instilling a "fun" attitude is the answer.. these are professionals, they need to buckle down and get the job done.
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. And if we don't win a championship by the time he is a free agent then he is as good as gone. The guy is a winner through and through and he's not gonna stay on a team where he can't win a championship.
you mean a winning organization like the new york knicks?
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The one thing I would do is put Darnell Jackson in to use 6 fouls on Howard and beat the crap out of him.
I've been saying this since game one. It's not Mike Brown's style of ball.
For the life of me, I don't understand why we don't attack him once he picks up his third. The guy is undisciplined.
Watching them get open 3's from the wing over and over and over is sickening...but what can we do, really? It seems the only way it can be defended is to play everyone man-to-man, which we simply can't do.
Mo has been cold for the entire playoffs. I've been saying all playoffs that I think his shoulder is still hampering him, but perhaps he's just not ready for the big stage? I don't know.
We're short-arming our shots. I can't imagine it hasn't been addressed, but it's continued all series.
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delonte west picking up that 5th foul after he started hitting shots really hurt too. it was a dumb and unnecassary foul.
for all the talk about matchups, we commited some really stupid unforced errors last night. the little things. lebron missing 4 straight free throws. having possesions where we didn't at least get a good look. you can go on and on about the stuff we weren't able to do.
and i agree about mo, he's just not there. he hit a few 3's, but it's not good enough, we need more from him.
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When did I say that he would go to the Knicks?
You know how many other teams are clearing cap space for that season? Alot.
And if a team brings in one of the other high price free agents like a D-Wade or a Chris Bosh and they can afford to bring in Lebron as well then it could happen. If that happens to be the Knicks then so be it.
You can't call us a winning organization, because we haven't won squat. The only thing we have done is make it to the brink and get embarassed.
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As bleak as things seem right now, we're a Game 4 win away from being back in the driver's seat.
If I'm Mike Brown, I'm preaching 'one game series'.
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there are a number of big physical type players available in free agency...
ron artest? i know it'd be gamble, but he pretty much had a quiet year in terms of no stupidity. i think big baby davis and leon powe are both free agents as well...
if anything, this series has shown we need more guys who can deal with these big guys that can shoot like rashard lewis, like turkoglo...
rasheed wallace could be available too. we all hate him, but he'd be a great asset to have, he can defend the bigs, he can shoot, and he has championship experience. i don't know how much he has left but it's a place to look.
regardless of what happens in this series and beyond, we gotta look to get a little bit bigger and more versatile.
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As bleak as things seem right now, we're a Game 4 win away from being back in the driver's seat.
If I'm Mike Brown, I'm preaching 'one game series'.
pretty much. a win on tuesday and the entire series has a completely new and positive outlook.
i said it after game 1, if this team can't go out and win one on the road, then they weren't good enough to win the championship anyways.
they've gotta put all their effort into this game. take advantage of every little thing given to them.
the one thing i am tired of hearing about is how it could be orlando 3-0 right now.
sure, and it could easily be cavs 2-1 right now. coulda woulda shoulda.
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Nice read, nice outlook, but it still don't feel too good,....this thing shoul be 3-0 Cavs, hands down.
Those 2 blown big leads are real haunters,....
I think we're toast, but,...have one more chance to pull it off.
Kinda like watching the Jets playoff game in '86.
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Nice read, nice outlook, but it still don't feel too good,....this thing shoul be 3-0 Cavs, hands down.
Those 2 blown big leads are real haunters,....
I think we're toast, but,...have one more chance to pull it off.
Kinda like watching the Jets playoff game in '86.
some are trying to point out that we have ignored the fact that orlando outmatches us in several areas.
and that isn't the case. anyone who has been in these topics all year knows we have talked about the fact that we have to double howard, how lewis and turkoglu are tough matchups for us.
so it's not like we didn't see that coming, what has upset me is the way we have attacked them on offense. it's been sub-standard. we're making them look like a defensive juggernaut, and they aren't.
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Here's one for the conspiracy theorists ... the Finals are on ABC this year. Disney owns both ABC and ESPN. And Disneyland has it's two biggest parks in L.A and Orlando. 
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Game 4 is not a must-win... but it is close IMO.
Being down 3-1 isn't impossible, with two of those games at home.
I think it is because teams that have gone down 3-1 in a series have lost the series 96% of the time 
They need to give everything they got in game 4.
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