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You know, if he did not give alot of presser's, as long as he wins and the Browns are competitive, people would not care. Right now, yes, he has to say some things but they are meaningless until mid-june or when ever the camps start. Like Parcell's said, "everybody looks good in shorts"!! Which is true! Yes, everyone has to get ready for the new terminology, plays, get used to teamates..etc BUT these are also the times when you get silly injuries also!! ( I cringed when I even typed that).

As far as who looked like what now, meaningless until the camps/first scrimmage!! Then he can talk all he wants because we will be able to see it also!!

Its not just the fans, its even the cleveland press which is weak at best!!

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Damon, that is the problem, Browns fans are starting NOT to know the difference!




I don't think that is anywhere near true... I think what you are doing is confusing excitement for the new season and unrealistic beliefs that the team will be something it may not end up being..

Don't do that! Just let folks have fun.. that's what it's all about isn't it.. FUN..

The fans of this team know the difference between wishes/hope and reality.

Time will tell which team shows up this year. Having said that, I remain hopeful that this is a turnaround year.. we shall see.


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Another one up today...

Honestly...more of the same. The guy just does a good job of explaining how he wants to go about doing things.

P.S. Raw practice footage up...anyone doubting what Mangini's music choice is...I heard Soulja Boy (not saying it's GOOD music, I'm saying players probably like it).

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I like his pressers. He really comes across as someone with a definate plan, and one he really believe's in. I really don't understand the dislike the media has for him, he seems to be pretty accessable and easy going in these conferences.

I did notice something that struck me a little. There was much talk about him being a power hungry guy, a "Napolean" type guy. The thing that I'm talking about was when he was asked about the defense. He stated that it wasn't athe Jet's defense, not his, not Ryan's Oakland defense, and not the New England defense. He pretty much said it was a combination of Ryan's and his experience and would be based off the ability of the players. To me that's big. I don't see a guy that is set in his way, a my way or the highway attitude, at least as far as scheme's and base defenses are concerned. With RAC, I always felt he had one way to do it and if it failed he just made it simpler, hoping that would help.

The other thing that gets my attention, is how he is giving the players tons of information, He expects them to learn it, and uses repetition to help them. RAC always seemed to hold back what the players could use, almost as if he didn't feel they could handle the load. That was something that always bothered me.

Fundamentals seem to be stressed, that's something this team has lacked for years.


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I like his pressers. He really comes across as someone with a definate plan, and one he really believe's in. I really don't understand the dislike the media has for him, he seems to be pretty accessable and easy going in these conferences.

I did notice something that struck me a little. There was much talk about him being a power hungry guy, a "Napolean" type guy. The thing that I'm talking about was when he was asked about the defense. He stated that it wasn't athe Jet's defense, not his, not Ryan's Oakland defense, and not the New England defense. He pretty much said it was a combination of Ryan's and his experience and would be based off the ability of the players. To me that's big. I don't see a guy that is set in his way, a my way or the highway attitude, at least as far as scheme's and base defenses are concerned. With RAC, I always felt he had one way to do it and if it failed he just made it simpler, hoping that would help.

The other thing that gets my attention, is how he is giving the players tons of information, He expects them to learn it, and uses repetition to help them. RAC always seemed to hold back what the players could use, almost as if he didn't feel they could handle the load. That was something that always bothered me.

Fundamentals seem to be stressed, that's something this team has lacked for years.




Agreed.

I can't believe there are reports that he gets outcoached. Granted I don't watch many Jets games but I get the feeling we won't be outcoached often this year.

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He may get "outcoached" from time to time, that's how teams lose, but I don't ever expect him to field a team unprepared.

Just a question, how's his record against the Steelers?


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Well I know that Mangini and Ryan both beat the Steelers the last time they played them.


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Browns notebook: Rookie Carey shows he could be smart move
By Marla Ridenour
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POSTED: 06:34 p.m. EDT, Jun 02, 2009

BEREA: Rookie defensive back Don Carey didn't take long to show Browns coach Eric Mangini the intelligence that earned him academic scholarship offers from Yale, Michigan, Colgate and Lehigh.

Mangini said he's already been stunned by a question from the sixth-round draft pick from Norfolk State.

''He's impressive in terms of the questions he asked,'' Mangini said. ''I saw that in the very first meeting I was in, the very first meeting he was in where he asked a question most vets don't ask a month down the road. He caught it right away and asked it. At that point you know he's paying attention and he's very bright.''

Carey explained that the question concerned ''a play where a motion was coming and I was wondering what we would do in that situation.''

Asked if he could tell some were surprised by his insight, Carey said, ''Yeah, a lot of the vets said, 'Good question,' and they looked real shocked.''

But Carey, who had two interceptions in last week's minicamp, already has found the way to Mangini's heart.

''As soon as I go home, I'm right in my books until I go to sleep,'' Carey said. ''The more I know, the better chance I have of being on the field.''

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Missing from last Wednesday's voluntary offseason training activities were running back Jamal Lewis and kicker Phil Dawson. The Browns said receiver Braylon Edwards and left guard Eric Steinbach were working inside. Mangini said Edwards was ''doing great'' and ran the big hill near the practice fields after Monday's session.

Another rough day


Quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson struggled in the two-minute drill in last Thursday's minicamp and fared poorly again today.

Defensive lineman Kenyon Coleman batted down an Anderson pass and linebacker Leon Williams got his hands on a Quinn ball. One of Quinn's passes was intercepted by cornerback Eric Wright, but Wright was out of bounds. Anderson also messed up a trick play and was forced to run a lap, even though it might not have been his fault.

Mangini defended both before practice.

''They've been making some good progress,'' Mangini said. ''It's a group thing. As the routes are run crisper and at more precise depths, some throws will improve. As they learn the reads better and the plays better ... we've thrown a ton of stuff at 'em, so it's high volume.''

Mangini said the two seem to be handling the pressure of a quarterback competition and learning a new offense.

''They've been good,'' Mangini said. ''The nice thing about quarterbacks is they relish that. They're excited about learning as much as possible, very proactive about getting the next day's script. All the quarterbacks I've dealt with have had that mentality.''

Camp draws 760


Mangini said his eighth annual football camp Saturday in Hartford, Conn., to benefit his foundation for under-resourced children drew 760 aspiring players from 61 towns in five states.

''Andy Dickerson was teaching ball disruption and one of the kids said, 'You taught this drill last year and I ended up with 11 turnovers,' '' Mangini said of the Browns' defensive quality control coach. ''That kind of shocked Andy.''

Mangini was touched when a friend brought a boy whose father had been killed two weeks ago and whose mother was in jail for dealing drugs.

''To know he had a good day, to see him smiling and let him know people care about him. ... '' Mangini said.

Carey, who grew up in Norfolk, Va., said the kids were wonderful.

''It's good because when I was that age I didn't have anyone to show me things,'' Carey said. ''It meant a lot to them, especially when I told them my background was pretty much the same as theirs. We were able to connect more than just on the football level.''

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Working late after practice were rookie center Alex Mack with offensive line coach George Warhop and rookie receivers Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi with Quinn. ... Don't ever expect to see the Browns on HBO's Hard Knocks while Mangini is the coach. The Cincinnati Bengals are appearing this year. ''This is not a judgment on anybody who does do it,'' Mangini said. ''I'd rather have less cameras in the meeting room.''




Nice article. I see the defense is doing pretty well against our QB's so far.... I'm impressed.

Also like how Robo and MoMass are spending time with their QB...

Sidenote: Wonder how long it takes for Anderson to run a lap?


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Tuesday June 2nd presser; fro the PD :

Cleveland Browns: Eric Mangini's Tuesday press conference
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Tuesday June 02, 2009, 6:53 PM

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Browns coach Eric Mangini talked about his club on Tuesday.

Opening statement - "How's everybody doing? Hope you had a good weekend. I'd just like to start off by thanking all the people that were involved in the camp this weekend in Hartford.

It was really our best camp yet. We say that every year, but we ended up with 760 kids from five different states and 61 different towns. It's the most satisfying when you hear some of the stories. I talked to (Defensive quality control coach) Andy Dickerson yesterday and Andy was teaching ball disruption.




He said a little boy came up to him and said, "You taught this drill last year and I used some of these things and I ended up with 11 turnovers last year," which is pretty positive. It kind of shocked Andy but it was great to see that because they are taking that information and bringing it back and applying it to their own schools."

"A friend of mine brought a little boy who's father had been killed two weeks go and his mom was in jail for drug dealing. To know that he had a good day and to see him smiling and to let him know that people cared about him, to let him know that he was important, that was incredibly satisfying.

To watch the speeches and hear Alex Mack talk about going into college and how he really wasn't highly recruited. His emphasis was on school, but he didn't let anybody discourage him from the things he wanted to do in football, and he built himself up into a first rounder. (New York Jets tight end) Dustin Keller talking about how your teachers and your coaches, they have your best interests at heart and how important it is to listen to them.

Bryan Cox talking about finding a good mentor and Bryan growing up the way that he grew up and how he was able to find someone that could show him the right things to do and how important that was to his development."

"Teddy Atlas, I love Teddy because of the insight he has into people and into situations. He just talked about events being an opportunity to practice caring. Caring like any other skill is something that you can get better at and when you keep practicing it you are going to continue to improve.

It's so easy to get caught up in the day to day issues that you face and it's so easy to forget the difficulties that a lot of other people face. I can't thank the 200 volunteers enough who came out, fireman, police man, teachers, business men, all different walks of life, the 135 coaches, and the state police and right on down the line. I just wanted to make sure I did that."

"In terms of today, what we are doing is we are in the rotation today is generally a review day. There will be a few things going in offensively and defensively, but overall we're trying to take the practices that we have had to date, go through some of the issues that we've had through those practices, redo some of those plays where we set up some of those situations and see what we have been able to learn from it, teach off that and then start the next cycle here on Thursday."


On what he learned after the first system installation process in New York and how he incorporates that into the system installation process here in Cleveland - "We definitely refined the schedule, not just the meetings schedule but the practice schedule to make it more efficient.

When I did it initially in New York, I went by more of the traditional method of putting all first and second down in first so that may take three of four days. Then putting all third down in, then putting all red zone in and it struck me that we never learn that way. We never teach that way during the course of the season.

I wanted to get the guys in the thought process, especially younger guys, newer guys of the way that we actually do it during the course of the week. Everything else in practice is set up that way, down and distances, situation, you are always trying to simulate what's going to happen when you have the regular season. So I thought why not cater the teaching progression to what's going to happen when we do open up."

On what he has sees in cornerbacks Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald - "I've really liked (Brandon) McDonald's competitiveness. He is tough at the line of scrimmage, he finishes plays well. I liked that even before I was the head coach here. I liked his style of play, his approach. I thought those things were good.

With Eric (Wright), he is a very smart player. I brought him up to the board and had him draw a whole defense. He was able to do the defensive line, the linebackers and the secondary. I think that natural intelligence can really help him as he understands whole schemes. His improvement should continue to be substantial as he is able to apply that onto the field and learn concepts. I think he's got really good feet and really good ball skills."

On the cornerbacks getting beat deep last season - "Everybody gets beat deep at some point. Otis Smith, is always my go to guy, he got beat and it didn't matter. He came back the next time and fought the same way.

You've got to be that way at cornerback, you've got to have a short memory and go back and fight the next play. Otherwise, you are worried about the time you were beat or the touchdown that you gave up, odds are you are going to give up another one pretty quickly."

On how defensive coordinator Rob Ryan's experience in Oakland will transfer to Cleveland - "It's not our defense, it's not my defense, it's not New England's defense. The playbook evolves and you take the ideas that Rob had in Oakland, the things that he learned, you put those in. The things I learned in New York, you put those in. With (Linebackers coach) (Matt) Eberflus the things he brings in from the college level. What you are trying to do is let it evolve and it becomes the Browns defense.

That book is a starting point each time that you have an offseason and it evolves. Sometimes you go back five, six, seven years and you say "do you remember that play we ran against"? We had a whole defense against the Lions on Thanksgiving. We called it turkey and turkey resulted in eight sacks. Then turkey evolved into a sub defense, and it went to nickel and then it went to dime and it became this whole evolution and now it's a package. All from that one game, something easy to remember for the players.

That happens all the time. Bill (Belichick), I remember telling us a story about an offensive personnel group where it was two receivers, two tight ends and a back, and for a long time in our system that was called Detroit. Nobody knew why it was called Detroit, it made no sense, and it was just Detroit. It was the first time that anybody had seen that formation. That was the evolution. I didn't ask him when it was (put in); it is just interesting to hear how things evolve."

On Don Carey's performance - "He is doing well. He has good ball skills. I talked to him a little bit yesterday. He is impressive in terms of the questions that he asks. I saw that the very first meeting I was in, the very first meeting he was in. He asked a question that a lot of vets don't ask for a month down the road and he caught it right away and asked it. At that point you know, one, he is paying attention and two, he is really bright."

On why Coye Francies lasted until the sixth round in the draft - "I never know the answer to that because with the draft, if a team with a need fills that need with somebody else, or the guy they want isn't there, or they decide a player they didn't expect to be there is there and they take him.

A guy can slip a significant amount just by one domino falling in a different spot. It really doesn't matter now, he is in the room, so whatever he does, he does."

On what he has seen from Alex Hall - "He is a tall player but he actually has very good weight for his height. I think that one of the things that he has been focusing on and we have been having him focus on is really playing with good technique and good leverage.

When you are a taller guy it's that much more important to sink your hips and have the right hand placement because your height naturally doesn't give you a great leverage point. He is focusing on those things, learning the defense, getting more reps, communicating, focusing on that as well. It is different when you are working with the ones or twos, and the expectation of communication with those groups increases as well."

On if he could tell Hall needed to make strides specifically with the run defense- "I think there is a lot of different areas that he can make strides in. The key thing was identifying what's our starting point. What I ask these guys each day and I think I've said this before, you go out with one or two things that you want to get better with.

Not what we are asking, something you really want to focus on, have a plan to do it, access whether the plan worked and continue to use the things that work and revise the things that don't work. We help with that or it could be something personally that a guy wants to identify."

On David Patten as a mentor - "I agree, when we had him in New England, tremendous maturity for a guy his age. Some of that could stem from how he sort of got into the league, how he sort of came up, but he is just a good person all around.

He works with all of the receivers, always wants to help those guys get better. He's got a great personality too. He's very easy going, he's fun. You can poke at his age a little bit, it doesn't bother him. I am happy he is here."

On if Patten has enough left to be the No. 2 wide receiver - "He will get every opportunity to show what he can do. David sometimes has the maturity to do things more efficiently, to take advantage of some things you see, just know, you've experienced and you can be really productive, even if maybe you are not quiet as spry as you once were."

On if he would ever consider doing Hard Knocks and why - "No. I think the more you just focus on what you're doing and this isn't a judgment on anyone that does it at all. For me personally, I'd rather have less cameras in the meeting room."

On the difference between mini-camps and OTAs - "It's just the structure of the day. I don't treat the days very differently. We start a little bit later; it's really the only thing that affects us. I try to block those days out as one group of days, whether it's voluntary mini-camp, OTAs or mandatory mini-camp.

The progression line each day, looking at it as a chunk and somewhat near what is going to go into training camp. You've got the three installation review, but that's part of a bigger chunk which is OTAs, voluntary mini-cap and mandatory mini-camp, which then translates into training camp and that's the second big chunk, big pattern. Hopefully it's hitting the brain multiple times and the retention increases."

On if he can get more accomplished during mini-camp - "It's not structured really in a way that's radically different. It's sort of the time allotments, and for us it's not substantially different in that way."

On how Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn are coming along - "They've both been making some good progress. It's a group thing. If the routes are run crisper and at more precise depths, then some of the throws will improve.

As they learn the reads better and the plays better and we've thrown a ton of stuff at them, so it's high, high, high volume to expose the group to as much as possible. Then as you review it, they've heard it, they've seen it and now they are getting a second time, a third time, as opposed to a real small chunk, focusing on that, moving the next small chunk with more volume and then repetitions."

On how poised the two quarterbacks have been -"They have been good. The nice thing about quarterbacks is they relish that. They are excited about learning as much as possible, hearing as much as possible.

They are always very proactive in trying to get the next day's install, the next day's script, the next day's situation. All of the quarterbacks I've dealt with over time have had that mentality."

On how Brian Robiskie is coming along - "I'd say he is like the rest of the rookie group where there are some days something clicks and he runs that really well or does that really well, and there are some days where maybe he's got it jumbled up with what he did at Ohio State and he doesn't quiet look the same.

Those guys are dealing with so much right now in terms of change of environment, change of coaches, change of terminology, going from the big man on campus to rookie. All of that stuff is new and getting used to the way that we structure practices and meetings. They are dealing with a lot of stuff. I think as a group they are doing some positive things."

On Ryan Tucker - "He has done some nice things too. What's good with him is he works at both guard and tackle. Our goal is to get the five best so having that position flexibility is another chance to compete in two areas as opposed to just one."

On players switching positions - "Some of the stuff is exploratory to see what it looks like, see how they handle it, see what the combinations are, see how much versatility each guy has and there's a lot of that going on right now in all of the different position groups, trying to build the maximum possible flexibility."

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Working late after practice were rookie center Alex Mack with offensive line coach George Warhop and rookie receivers Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi with Quinn




I was really hoping to see brey out there too ...




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Sidenote: Wonder how long it takes for Anderson to run a lap?




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Quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson struggled in the two-minute drill in last Thursday's minicamp and fared poorly again today.




This is exactly the opposite of the RAC philosophy. RAC always kept things soft and easy for his QB's apparently trying to build up their sense of confidence.

Mangini though seems commited to giving them a defensive beating until they can get the job done. IMO this is EXACTLY what Andersen needed after 2007. I just hated going to camp and seeing the passive defense and lazy performance by the QB's.

By kicking their butts now they have time to improve and hopefully we won't have the "deer in headlights" in games they way we have in the past.

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I really liked this quote from Ryan,

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On how defensive coordinator Rob Ryan's experience in Oakland will transfer to Cleveland - "It's not our defense, it's not my defense, it's not New England's defense. The playbook evolves and you take the ideas that Rob had in Oakland, the things that he learned, you put those in. The things I learned in New York, you put those in. With (Linebackers coach) (Matt) Eberflus the things he brings in from the college level. What you are trying to do is let it evolve and it becomes the Browns defense.





At least they're not trying to shove the square peg into the round hole again, we'll see.


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