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Well I feel much safer now..... 
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Ok Diam, I'll bite.
Since you're up in arms and raising hell about this program of requiring Passports, and you don't think it will help even a little bit. What is your solution? You wanna yell about the problem and scream about somebody actually doing something (whether good or bad is irrelevant to my point), what would you have them do? Hmmm...
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What is your solution?
Some folks just like to complain.. 
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The problem is that they aren't addressing the real systemic issues, instead focusing on a very small problem which is security at existing border stations.
It's like operating a gigantic dam. Water is flooding through the walls while energy is being spent repairing an inconsequential crack.
All energy should be focused on the southern border with Mexico. People are flooding into the country illegally there instead of through our existing border stations in Canada.
Why are we not focused on Mexico. Politics...a new government dependant voting block is moving the needle in favor of the Democrats.
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and some folks just like to talk out there asses ... 
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thats great ... I see people biatch and moan on here about everything .. first time i ever seen anyone ask for a solution ... imagine that .. but u know what .. thats OK .. cause i really do not like folks that just moan and point out problems (thats what politicians do EVERY CAMPAIGN) ... without having real solutions .. my solution . and oh man ... am i gonna hear it for this .. but i could care less .. cause its way better than ANY ONE I'VE SEEN A POLITICIAN COME UP WITH .. 1. I'm not gonna worry about the Canadian border for now .. NOT ONE LITTLE BIT .. I do not see a mass convergence of Canadians coming into our country illegally on a daily basis .. 2. I'm gonna warn the current Illegals they have 30 days to get out .. that starts TODAY .. after that .. they can help .. 3. I'm gonna BUILD A fence .. an ELECTRIC ONE between here and Mexico ... one right on the border .. then another fence on our side of the border ... DO NOT GET CAUGHT IN BETWEEN .... whos' gonna build it .. THE ILLEGALS ... if your not gone in 30 days .. u help .. your considered a first time offender .... and anyone caught trying to sneak in after that decree is issued .. First Offense .... 30 days of helping to build the fence ... Second Offense .... we got your asses for a year ... Third Offense .... U stay until the fence is built ... after we get the fences built . its gonna take along ass time to build them ... theres lots of land to cover ... would have to figure out sumptin ... maybe hard labor as prisoners for year .. not sure what it would be .. but it would just not be a ride back home .. thats for damm sure ... I really do not know that much about alot of it .. so ideas and educating me are welcome .. but what i would do is a START ... and we have got to start somewhere ... this is the SINGLE BIGGEST PROBLEM we face today .... and it is NOT BEING ADRESSED AT ALL ... Oh wait .. were going to give them amnesty .. BRILLIANT ... 
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The second you build a fence of any kind, you will immediately see corporate interests dump all kinds of money into figuring out how to smuggle the illegals over and under it.
Immigrant workers are an integral part of a capitalist society. Cries for them to be sent home are like smoking while whining about the cancer.
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fence? they should have to build a wall....big...solid...impregnable...then when its done...we should ask them how it looks from the mexican side........and close the gate... 
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not to mention, the northern border isn't the problem....
Are you kiddin' me?
those filthy Canadians are smuggling good-will and fresh-air across the border everyday!
I hear they are trying to take our jobs too! Think of those poor Mexicans who show up to work at the landscaping company, only to find that those greedy Canandians have locked onto those weed-eaters and lawn-mowers! They ain't lettin' go, Florida!
I'm tellin' ya, locking down the Canadian border is a step in the right direction!
Not to mention most of the Cuban cigars come from that direction....I have a confession to make....I have brought back a few Cubans in my day. 
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You should get your facts straight before shooting off your trap. We'll start with this: "Mexicans are about as passive of a people (as a whole) as you will find and are just as much against terrorism as we are... I don't know if I can wholeheartedly say that about the French, I mean Canadians." You're right about one thing: you don't know. I won't even bother addressing your little stab at Canadians... it's too ridiculous to take seriously. Quote:
1. Some of the 9/11 guys made it into our country from Canada, not Mexico.
This is a news article from TODAY, MAY 27, 2009.
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Napolitano addresses Sept. 11 Canada controversy
OTTAWA (AP) — U.S. Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano wanted to make it clear to Canada on Wednesday that she knows she misspoke when she erroneously said that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists entered the United States through Canada. Napolitano, on her first trip to Canada since joining President Barack Obama's Cabinet in January, was discussing security issues with Canadian Minister of Public Safety Peter Van Loan. Napolitano was trying to get past the diplomatic gaffe after an interview last month with the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. in which she said — incorrectly — that the Sept. 11 terrorists crossed into the U.S. from Canada. The comments caused an uproar in America's neighbor to the north. The Sept. 11 commission found that none came through Canada. But other extremists have, such as the would-be millennium bomber Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian convicted on multiple counts for plotting to bomb Los Angeles International Airport around Jan. 1, 2000. "We know, and I know, that 9-11 terrorists did not cross the Canadian border. I regret that the Canadian media only seems to hear that earlier misstatement by me to that effect," Napolitano said at a brief news conference, adding that she wants to move on. "So let me be perfectly clear: We know that. But what they also need to hear, and what you need to hear from me, are all the things we are doing with Canada, and will continue to do with Canada, to further our joint security because we share the same interests."
You said this: "Canada, for over a decade now, has overlooked several borderline terrorist organizations and have a different position on many things than we do."
Would you mind pointing one – just one is all I ask for – of these "positions" out for the rest of us? And I'm not sure what terrorist organizations Canada has overlooked, perhaps you could enlighten me.
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And when your grocery bill goes up, I'm sure you'll be one of the first to complain.
Look, Diam, I understand your thought process. I do, but I disagree on many of them. The first being building any kind of wall is diplomatic suicide with the Central American community at large, and in my mind's eye is tantamount to bringing back the Berlin wall. This is not a solution. It's an idea for sure. And it's made its rounds via email in chain letters for years. But it is not a solution.
I wish I had a better one, but unfortunately I don't. Either way you go, there will be millions who will be pissed at you. This is going to be an issue for long after either you or I are around to complain about it.
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Don't worry lamp, most Americans feel Canadians are our best friend in the world, and I don't doubt for a minute you folks would be the first we helped because we feel you would do that for us....we may not be married, but we are kissing cousins. My only problem with Canadians is they don't know how to drink beer and have a good time. 
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Canadians, especially east coasters, have been known to have too good of a time too often. 
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I have mostly only been around the folks from Ontario, eastward .
Guy to guy......guy talk here ladies ....there have been a "few Canadian.......episodes" that always seem to creep to the front of the memory when I lay back and think about life lived while trying to go to sleep. 
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Roger that. It gets cold up here, and Canadian women know how to stay warm. 
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And when your grocery bill goes up, I'm sure you'll be one of the first to complain.
Ya well .. I could pay for my groceries with the money I save from not sending them to school .. paying for there medical or the welfare and other social programs I'm spending my money on now ..
Nice of U to ask for my solution .. then say it stinks .. but then say your is ..
Well ,, Uh ,, I DUNNO .. I just know i don't wanna make anyone mad .. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ,,
no matter what we do .. someone is going to be mad .. appearanlty U do not want it to be the Mexicans .. quite frankly, one of the major problems this country now ahs is not wanting to make others mad ..
NICE JOB .. 
and dude.... this is going to come to head in the next 5 - 10 years .. IT WILL HAVE TO .. were not headed down a pretty path .. and lots of things are going to come to a head ..
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U.S.-Mexico border fence almost complete The Associated Press
Wednesday, January 28th 2009
WASHINGTON — The fence along the U.S.-Mexico border is mostly finished.
Customs and Border Protection spokesman Lloyd Easterling says that 601 miles of the project had been completed as of a week ago.
Easterling says 69 miles of the fence still must be built to meet the goal set during the Bush administration.
In December, then President-elect Barack Obama said he wanted to evaluate border security operations before he considers whether to finish building the fence under his administration.
Easterling said the Obama White House has not told Homeland Security to stop building the fence.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has said a fence alone will not stop illegal immigration along the 2,000-mile border. About half of the fence has been built in Arizona, where Napolitano was governor.
The overall plan for security on the Southwest border — set by the Bush administration — includes additional Border Patrol agents, more enforcement of immigration laws, the fence and a high-tech "virtual fence" using surveillance technology.
At her Senate confirmation hearing, Napolitano said there is a role for fencing around urban areas. "It helps prevent those who are crossing illegally from blending immediately into a town population," Napolitano told senators.
Officials have said the border security improvements — like the fence — are working, and fewer people are trying to illegally cross from Mexico into the United States. Some of that can be attributed to economic woes and fewer jobs in the U.S.
The fence has been controversial since its inception and has faced several lawsuits, none successful so far.
Congress authorized the fence in 2005 to help secure the border and slow illegal immigration. Lawmakers also gave the Homeland Security secretary the power to waive federal laws, such as environmental protections, when erecting the fence. Obama, as a senator, voted for the project.
Congress has set aside $2.7 billion for the fence since 2006. There's no estimate how much the entire system — the physical fence and the technology — will cost to build, let alone maintain.
The Sept. 11 terrorist attacks revived the immigration debate and advanced the idea of a border fence. Intelligence officials have said gaps along the Southwestern border could provide opportunities for terrorists to enter the country.
Boeing Co. has the contract for the technology portion of the fence, as well as for some construction work. The company's contract for the technology expires this year.
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You should get your facts straight before shooting off your trap.
We'll start with this:
"Mexicans are about as passive of a people (as a whole) as you will find and are just as much against terrorism as we are...I don't know if I can wholeheartedly say that about the French, I mean Canadians."
You're right about one thing: you don't know. I won't even bother addressing your little stab at Canadians... it's too ridiculous to take seriously.
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This is a news article from TODAY, MAY 27, 2009.
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Napolitano addresses Sept. 11 Canada controversy
OTTAWA (AP) — U.S. Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano wanted to make it clear to Canada on Wednesday that she knows she misspoke when she erroneously said that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists entered the United States through Canada. Napolitano, on her first trip to Canada since joining President Barack Obama's Cabinet in January, was discussing security issues with Canadian Minister of Public Safety Peter Van Loan. Napolitano was trying to get past the diplomatic gaffe after an interview last month with the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. in which she said — incorrectly — that the Sept. 11 terrorists crossed into the U.S. from Canada. The comments caused an uproar in America's neighbor to the north. The Sept. 11 commission found that none came through Canada. But other extremists have, such as the would-be millennium bomber Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian convicted on multiple counts for plotting to bomb Los Angeles International Airport around Jan. 1, 2000. "We know, and I know, that 9-11 terrorists did not cross the Canadian border. I regret that the Canadian media only seems to hear that earlier misstatement by me to that effect," Napolitano said at a brief news conference, adding that she wants to move on. "So let me be perfectly clear: We know that. But what they also need to hear, and what you need to hear from me, are all the things we are doing with Canada, and will continue to do with Canada, to further our joint security because we share the same interests."
You said this: "Canada, for over a decade now, has overlooked several borderline terrorist organizations and have a different position on many things than we do."
Would you mind pointing one – just one is all I ask for – of these "positions" out for the rest of us? And I'm not sure what terrorist organizations Canada has overlooked, perhaps you could enlighten me.
Okay, so I got the attack or the attempted attack wrong...your article does validate what I was saying...no known terrorist attacks either in actuality or practicality have originated from down south...but they have in Canada.
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Canada and Terrorism
Posted: January, 2004
There is a growing body of evidence indicating that terrorist groups have been operating effectively in Canada by taking advantage of Canada's liberal immigration and political asylum policies and the porous Canadian-American border.
Terrorist-related activities in Canada include fundraising, lobbying through front organizations, providing support for terrorist operations in Canada or abroad, procuring weapons and materiel, coercing and manipulating immigrant communities in Canada, facilitating transit to and from the U.S. and other countries, and other illegal activities.
According to an August 2002 report of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), "… with the possible exception of the United States, there are more international terrorist organizations active in Canada than anywhere in the world. Related Article Canadian Web Sites Supporting Terrorism This situation can be attributed to Canada's proximity to the United States which currently is the principal target of terrorist groups operating internationally; and to the fact that Canada, a country built upon immigration, represents a microcosm of the world. It is therefore not surprising that the world's extremist elements are represented here, along with peace-loving citizens. Terrorist groups are present here whose origins lie in regional, ethnic and nationalist conflicts, including the Israeli Palestinian one, as well as those in Egypt, Algeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, the Punjab, Sri Lanka, Turkey and the former Yugoslavia."
According to the CSIS, in recent years, terrorists have moved "from significant support roles, such as fundraising and procurement, to actually planning and preparing terrorist acts from Canadian territory. In order to carry out these efforts, terrorists and their supporters use intimidation and other coercive methods in immigrant communities, and they abuse Canada's immigration, pass-port, welfare, and charity regulations."
The Canadian-American Border and Immigration Policies
The U.S.-Canada border, stretching for over 4,000 miles, is the longest international border in the world.
In December 1999, Algerian terrorist Ahmed Ressam was caught trying to cross the Canadian-American border at Port Angeles, Washington, with explosives in his car. Ressam belonged to a Montreal-based terrorist cell thought to be linked to both the Algerian terrorist group Armed Islamic Group (GIA) and Al Qaeda. The cell was apparently planning a millennium terror attack at Los Angeles International Airport. In April 2001 Ressam was convicted in Los Angeles of conspiracy to commit terrorism, document fraud and possession of deadly explosives.
The ease with which Ahmed Ressam and his fellow terror cell members entered and left Canada and Ressam's ability to assemble bomb-making materials in Canada heightened concerns about border security and the apparent ease with which potential terrorists can move freely from one country to the other. According to the CSIS, terrorists from 50 different international terrorist organizations come to Canada posing as refugees. Nearly 300,000 immigrants are admitted each year to Canada, many of whom seek political asylum and safe haven. Canada, however, does not detain refugee seekers upon entry, even those with questionable backgrounds, so thousands of potential terrorists disappear annually into Canada's ethnic communities. Armed with a fraudulent French passport, for example, Ahmed Ressam had entered Canada in 1994 claiming refugee status.
In America, the debate continues as to the utility of tightening the Canadian-U.S. border. Those arguing for increased border security maintain that such controls will deter terrorists. Others argue that increasing the quality and quantity of checkpoints will ultimately do little to restrict the movements of terrorists but would result in decreased trade between the countries and would disrupt the legitimate flow of people across the border. Canada is America's largest trading partner, accounting for more than one-fifth of America's exports and a little less than one-fifth of its imports. On a daily basis, there is $1.9 billion in trade across the shared border.
In December 2001, the U.S. and Canada signed a Joint Statement of Cooperation on Border Security and Regional Migration Issues.The declaration established a joint action plan for deter-ring, detecting and prosecuting security threats while ensuring the free flow of people and goods across the border. In November 2003, the U.S. and Canada announced the creation of two more Integrated Border Enforcement Teams (IBETs) to improve security across the border. IBETs are multi-agency teams combining U.S. and Canadian law enforcement, immigration and customs officials, working together daily with local, state and provincial enforcement agencies.They are strategically located along the length of the border to ensure it remains open to trade and travel, but closed to criminal or terrorist elements. With the two new ones, there are now 14 IBETs covering every strategic location across the U.S.- Canada border.
Islamic Extremist Activity
Islamic extremists and their supporters from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Armed Islamic Group (GIA), and Egyptian Islamic Jihad are among those suspected of operating in Canada.
Al Qaeda
Canadian authorities have publicly identified 25 Canadian residents/citizens as members of Al Qaeda.
A major Al Qaeda/GIA cell was Ahmed Ressam's Montreal-based terror cell. Among the cell's other members are Fateh Kamel, convicted in Paris in April 2001 of supplying fake passports to Islamic militants; Mokhtar Haouari, sentenced in New York in 2002 to 24 years in prison for providing a fake driver's license and other assistance to Ressam; Samir Ait Mohamed, indicted by U.S. authorities in 2001 on charges of conspiring to commit an act of international terrorism and currently fighting extradition from Canada to the U.S.; and Mourad Ikhlef, accused by Canada of advising Ressam on how to handle explosives and carry out the Los Angeles Airport attack. Canada deported Ikhlef to Algeria in March 2003.
Egyptian-born longtime Canadian resident Ahmad Sa'id Al-Khadr left Toronto for Pakistan to become the regional coordinator for the Canadian-based Human Concern International, a charity that has allegedly diverted funds to Al Qaeda. He reportedly became a senior aide to Osama bin Laden. Al-Khadr was detained by Pakistani authorities for his alleged involvement in the 1995 bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad but was later released, reportedly, after the personal intercession of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien. In October 2001, the U.S. froze his assets and in December 2001, the U.S. placed him on a list of nine Al Qaeda members most wanted by the U.S. He is believed to be in Afghanistan.
One of Khadr's sons, Omar Khadr, was arrested in Afghanistan in July 2002 after he allegedly murdered a U.S. army medic with a grenade. He is currently being held in Guantanamo Bay. Another one of his sons, Abdul Rahman Khadr, was captured by Northern Alliance troops in Kabul in November 2001 while allegedly fighting for Al Qaeda and later sent to Guantanamo. In November 2003, against the background of the U.S. releasing a number of detainees from Guantanamo, Abdul Rahman Khadr was freed. On November 30, 2003, Canadian authorities permitted Khadr to reenter Canada.
The U.S. is currently holding Canadian Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, who, according to U.S. officials, admitted involvement in a series of Al Qaeda plots in Southeast Asia. Jabarah's brother, Abdulrahman Mansour Jabarah, was killed in July 2003 by Saudi authorities in a firefight near the Jordanian border. Both brothers are suspected of joining Al Qaeda in the late 1990s.
An Al Qaeda plot to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Paris also had a Canadian element to it. In June 2002, Canadian authorities arrested Algerian-born Montreal resident Adel Tobbichi, a.k.a. Amine Mezbar, who allegedly altered passports and other documents to allow members of the embassy conspiracy cell to travel throughout Europe. He was extradited to the Netherlands in July 2002.
Following the leads of the UN Security Council and the U.S., Canada shut down the offices of several Islamic charities operating on Canadian soil, with alleged links to Al Qaeda. These include: Benevolence International Fund, Islamic Relief Organization, Muslim World League and the SAAR Foundation.
Hezbolah
Hezbollah is believed to have an active presence in Canada. According to Canadian intelligence, Canada is an important source of Hezbollah fundraising and recruitment as well as a key component of the group's international network.
In June 2002, two members of a North Carolina-based Hezbollah terror cell were convicted of providing material support to the terrorist organization. Their cell was part of a larger Hezbollah network that raised funds and procured dual-use technologies for Hezbollah. The Canadian part of the network was allegedly run by Mohammed Hassan Dbouk and his brother-in-law Ali Adham Amhaz, who allegedly received money from Hezbollah officials in Lebanon and engaged in credit card and banking scams in Canada in order to finance the purchase in Canada and the U.S. of night-vision goggles, global positioning systems, stun guns, laser range finders and other military items which were then smuggled into Lebanon. Amhaz was indicted in North Carolina in March 2001 on charges of providing material support to Hezbollah. In October 2001, Canadian authorities arrested him based on an American arrest warrant calling for his extradition. Amhaz was freed in December 2001 after the U.S. dropped the arrest warrant; the U.S. indictment against him still stands. Dbouk fled to Lebanon.
Also in June 2002, Israeli authorities arrested Lebanese-born Canadian Fawzi Ayoub, 39, who had entered Israel on a fake American passport. He is accused of being a Hezbollah fighter and of training Palestinian militants in the West Bank in Hezbollah bomb-making techniques.
The Canadian government had originally refused to include Hezbollah on its list of banned terrorist organizations claiming that it is also a humanitarian and political organization. After domestic and international pressure, Canada finally banned Hezbollah in December 2002.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad
Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad are believed to raise money in Canada. The Hamas-linked Holy Land Foundation has raised hundreds of thou-sands of dollars in Canada. Both terrorist groups were banned in Canada in November 2002.
In early December 2003, the Israeli government announced that it had arrested in November a Palestinian-born Canadian man, Jamal Akkal, 23, who confessed to being recruited and trained by Hamas' military wing in Gaza. Akkal reportedly had orders to kill Israeli officials and Jews in Canada and the U.S. According to Israeli authorities, senior Hamas militant Ahmed Wahabe allegedly told Akkal to raise funds among Muslims in Canada ostensibly for the families of suicide bombers, which he would actually use for purchasing a weapon and financing his attacks.
Sikh Extremism and the Air India Bombings Trial
In June 1985, suspected Sikh militants bombed an Air India flight originating in Vancouver, killing all 329 people aboard, including 154 Canadians. The bombing was the single, deadliest incident of aviation terrorism until September 11th. Canadian authorities believe that the bombing was masterminded and perpetrated by Sikh terrorists operating from Canada, some of whom were Canadian citizens. Two Canadian-based Sikhs, Ripudaman Singh Malik, 53, and Ajaib Singh Bagri, 51, are currently on trial in Vancouver for involvement in the aircraft bombing and for another suitcase bombing at Narita Airport in Tokyo, that killed two baggage handlers. Another British Columbian Sikh extremist, Inderjit Singh Reyat, was convicted in 1991 of building the Tokyo bomb and pleaded guilty in February 2003 to aiding in the construction of the Air India bomb.
The Canadian government believes the bombings were part of a conspiracy by British Columbia-based Sikh extremists to take revenge against the Indian government for its 1984 storming of the Golden Temple, a Sikh shrine. The Indian government sought to flush out armed Sikh extremists fighting for a separate Sikh homeland. Bagri, a former preacher and supporter of Sikh separatism, was second in command in the Babbar Khalsa, a terrorist group dedicated to the creation of a separate Sikh homeland called Khalistan. Babbar Khalsa raised funds in Canada until its charitable status was revoked in the mid 1990s. The Canadian government added Babbar Khalsa to its list of banned terrorist organizations in June 2003.
Tamil Extremist Activity
Another terrorist group active in Canada is the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), a violent separatist movement of the Tamil Hindu minority in Sri Lanka which has waged, since 1983, a bloody war for an independent Tamil homeland in northern and eastern Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka is Canada's leading source of refugees and there are over 250,000 Tamils in Canada. Home to 200,000 Tamils, Toronto is the largest Tamil city outside of Sri Lanka. Canadian intelligence believes that there are 8,000 former LTTE guerrillas in Toronto.
The LTTE draws significant financial and political support from the Canadian Tamil community. The Sri Lankan government estimates that the LTTE raises about $120 million a year, up to a quarter of this amount from supporters in Canada. According to Canadian police and intelligence agencies, the LTTE raises money in Canada through donations, organized crime and LTTE front organizations. LTTE supporters in Canada are suspected of involvement in a number of illegal activities such as drug trafficking, human smuggling and passport forgery and fraud. They have also been a major factor in spawning Tamil street gangs in Toronto.
The major LTTE front groups in Canada, according to the U.S. State Department, are the World Tamil Movement and the Federation of Associations of Canadian Tamils, the major umbrella organization for pro-LTTE groups. According to the Canadian-based Mackenzie Institute, these two pro-LTTE groups dominate Canadian Tamil life whereas the front organizations for other terrorist groups, like those sup-porting Islamic extremist groups or Sikh terrorist groups, do not exert the same level of influence on and control over the lives of the members of the particular ethnic community.
According to the Mackenzie Institute, the LTTE fundraising machine in Canada is "arguably the most sophisticated of any terrorist organization being undertaken on Canadian soil." Donations are both voluntary, through regular contributions, and coerced, through extortion and intimidation. Pro-LTTE messages are regularly broadcast over the four Tamil 24-hour radio stations, Tamil-language television shows and 10 Tamil weekly newspapers. These media outlets risk the loss of advertising and face intimidating violence if they do not take a pro-LTTE line.
The U.S., Britain and Australia have designated the LTTE as a terrorist organization. The LTTE does not appear on Canada's list of banned terrorist organizations. Canadian Foreign MinisterBill Graham reportedly blocked adding the LTTE to the list because of the ongoing negotiations between the Sri Lankan government and the LTTE.
Canadian Anti-Terror Initiatives
In December 2001, the Canadian Parliament passed the Anti-Terrorism Act, which made perpetrating, financing, or contributing to terrorist activity in Canada a crime. It is now a crime to knowingly support terrorist organizations through overt violence, documentary support, shelter or funds. The legislation requires the publication of a list of terrorist groups deemed to constitute a threat to the security of Canada and Canadians. The act also increased the government's investigative powers and paved the way for the country to sign the last two of the United Nations' 12 antiterrorism conventions.
At this writing, Canada has designated 34 foreign terrorist organizations. The assets of the groups have been frozen, and belonging to a banned terrorist group, raising money for it or supporting its activities is a crime that could bring up to 10 years in prison. Most recently, in November 2003, Canada added to the list the Palestine Liberation Front, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/canada.html http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/2003/other_peoples_wars6.htm
I can find more if you would like.
Our borders need to be secure...there is no doubt. This isn't solvency but a step in the right direction. I think securing BOTH borders is EQUALLY as important as one another...the south border because of Illegal Immigration and the north border mainly to prevent terrorism.
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Are you saying lets just ignore it and do nothing and the problem will take care of itself. And if you don't think there is a problem then move to south Texas and be a witness! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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To solve the immigration problem the first thing that needs to happen is the world has to address the drug policy that has turned Mexico and central America into ground zero for the drug war. And once we move towards decriminalization(following the lead of Portugal (PDF)_(long) ) then we will start to see less violence and less addicts, and less demand, and a lesser problem. We need to then legitimize the drug trade. Once this happens then Central America and mexico have legitimate cash crops in HUGE demand all over the world. Once these nations are no longer struggling, spending all their resources fighting our Drug War, and instead begin pulling in money and becoming prosperous---then their populous will stop fleeing the violence and poverty for America. IMO, the Drug War has created many of the problems south of the border---and those problems fuel the exodus of immigrants into America. Or we could not address the actual reasons for immigration and waste a bunch more time and money building a wall, or fence, or alligator filled moat.  Rethink drug policy, end the drug war, make Mexico into less of a war zone and people might actually want to live there.
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I believe we should legalize marijuana. I don't think we will ever win the war on drugs. Too many people in this country want to smoke pot. I read today that 50% of high school seniors have tried pot. With that much demand, we will never win.
At the very least the cartels in mexico, and the dealers here will have to find a new line of work. That's a good thing in my opinion.
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Damanshot says "Some folks just like to complain."
Diam Replies "and some folks just like to talk out there asses .."
and some of us are good at both
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and some of us are good at both
Yeah, but at least in your case, someone needs to pull your finger 
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Before I get too deep into this let me say. I agree with you that this isn't going to solve all the border issues we have, and to me it's not even a border solution to begin with, but merely something that should have been active since passports were created. You go anywhere else in the world and they use passports to go from one country to another, and in many places that isn't much farther than us going from state to state. Passports now have small RFID chip like things in them, and they should scan everyone that comes and goes so there is a record of who is in or out of the country. Does it stop terrorist from entering? not if they don't have a record or are on a watch list, but it does help us identify who is here if something comes up. Now onto your post.  Quote:
(u may wanna do it with someone that actually has some reading comprehension skills and/or can follow the bouncing ball .. cause your obviously having trouble with it .. )
Nice insult, I would say something in return, but it wouldn't be worth my time, or help my argument to stoop to insulting you. I don't usually agree with your points of view on many things, but I still respect your opinions, and your right to express them.
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and i know exactly what your going to do .. and it will be BUSH of U when u do it .
Apparently you don't know me, or you would know I completely disliked Bush and everything he did. So I wouldn't go all "Bush", whatever that truly means.
PS. Dude!! (I didn't want to disappoint you) 
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these fences are a joke .. no teeth to them .. therees basically 3 different kinds of fences .. 1 of them is actually slabs .. with gaps so wide folks slide right through them .. *L* ..
I mean a REAL FENCE .. one with SOME TEETH ... like electrocution .. or barbed wire running so U could not just walk up with your wire cutters and cut holes in it like the ones we WASTED OUR MONEY ON that we just built ..
we HALF ASSED someting else and did it WRONG ..
we need a real solution here ...
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Actually, it looks fairly substantial ... enforcement will be the key, IMO. 
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I agree with you that this isn't going to solve all the border issues we have, and to me it's not even a border solution to begin with,
so why are u breaking my balls over this .. 
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but merely something that should have been active since passports were created.
and thats fine .. but my GRIPE was that the Gov't is CLAIMING this is a step in SECURING OUR BORDERS and will make us SAFER .. when in fact U admit it won't ..
your arguing with me over sumptin I never CLAIMED ..
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not if they don't have a record or are on a watch list, but it does help us identify who is here if something comes up.
U may wanna re-phrase that ... we will have a record of those that ENTERED this country from the Canadian border .. LEGALLY ...
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Nice insult,
Thanks .. U earned it .. U were putting words in my mouth and debating me on a point i never made .. I CLEARLY STATED the gov't made BOGUS CLAIMS on how this would make us safer .. U then turned it into me whining over having to get a passport ..
so the only logical conclusion I could make is that u were having READING COMPREHENSION TROUBLE .... that makes sense to me ... ...
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I don't usually agree with your points of view on many things, but I still respect your opinions, and your right to express them.
my insult to U did not come from a differing point of view .. it came from u CHANGING WHAT I SAID INTO SUMPTIN DIFFERENT .. that has nuttin to do with DIFFERING POINTS OF VIEW ... it has everything to do with U taking what i said and changing it to what u wanted or thought i meant .. and then me getting fed up with it and being the charming, sensitive guy I can be at times ... 
but since u brought it up ... ...
I respect your right to express your opinions ..... and sometimes even though we disagree I can understand and respect your opinions . sometimes i may 'respect" your opinion but think its DUMB AS HELL .. sorry .. but thats true .. U think mine are dumb ass hell .. U just don't say it .. well OK .. U say it .. just not as directly and to the point as I do ... 
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I like that .. is that what we built??? .. If so .. KUDOS TO US ...
I saw pics of 3 different types of fences .. and one was slabs .. and the other two were just regular fences ..
If thats the fence we ACTUALLY BUILT ... me likes .. now we just need to keep building it until EVERY INCH POSSIBLE IS COVERED ..
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U seem to be good at this and hopefullyu enjoy it .. so i may as well ask .. and if u don't wanna do it .. just say so .. I suck at searching .. takes me to many tries to get the words right .. *L* .. if u do it .. we can ALL LEARN ... witch is always a good thing ..
any clue how many miles of border there are .. how much of it could we fence like this .. how much is actually right in the middle of towns (i know like in brownsville texas i think it is .. the middle of a street is the border .. *L* ..)
I;m just wondering how much of the border we could actually use this fence/mote type stuff with and how much we have 'blocked" now ..
thats asking alot .. if u can't do it .. i understand ..
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not if they don't have a record or are on a watch list, but it does help us identify who is here if something comes up.
U may wanna re-phrase that ... we will have a record of those that ENTERED this country from the Canadian border .. LEGALLY ...
"not if they don't have a criminal record or are on a watch list, but it does help us identify who is here if something comes up."
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Thanks .. U earned it .. U were putting words in my mouth and debating me on a point i never made .. I CLEARLY STATED the gov't made BOGUS CLAIMS on how this would make us safer .. U then turned it into me whining over having to get a passport ..
so the only logical conclusion I could make is that u were having READING COMPREHENSION TROUBLE .... that makes sense to me ... ...
I went back and re-read the thread. I did pass the reading comprehension part of the test in high school, honestly. 
I apologize for "putting words in your mouth". I mistakenly took sentiments from other posts and linked them with you.
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No. That should be sufficient. 
The articles you quoted were old however. I forgot all about the Hezbollah thing, it made us look ridicuolous back then for sure. It was embarrassing, frankly. The federal government of the day was run by the Liberal party, who in the early part of the decade didn't seem to take terrorism all that seriously, the idiots. Our present fed gov't (Conservative, our version of Republican) seems more willing to be viligant in terms of protecting the border.
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The no longer quite so undefended Canada-U.S. border Last Updated: Saturday, May 16, 2009 | In the weeks following the al-Qaeda attack on the World Trade Centre, sales of the tranquillizer Xanax shot up 22 per cent in New York and, in many respects, America's collective anxiety level never seemed to go down.
Checkpoint America
What is a border in this day and age? Tune in to CBC Radio's World Report and World at Six from Monday to Wednesday for the answer. A series, titled Checkpoint America, will examine the thickening border and its implications for Canada.
Today, the U.S. fear of another terrorist attack is transforming the U.S.-Canada border.
In February, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency began patrolling the North Dakota-Manitoba border with the first of what is expected to be a fleet of unmanned aerial reconnaissance vehicles — drones that cost roughly $10 million apiece.
And now, as of June 1, Canadians wanting to enter the United States at one of the 94 land crossings will no longer be simply waived through after a short chat with a U.S. border guard, or a quick glimpse at their birth certificates or driver's licence.
Beginning June 1, 2009, all Canadian visitors to the U.S. will require either a passport or an enhanced driver's licence, like this one shown here by Quebec Premier Jean Charest. Four provinces - Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba and B.C. - are planning to produce these enhanced licences or an equivalent, which emit an electronic signal that broadcasts personal data of the holder. (Canadian Press) Canadians citizens will now have to show one of three documents: a Canadian passport; a credit card-sized piece of plastic, called a NEXUS card, for frequent travellers; or a so-called "enhanced" Canadian driver's licence with a computer chip in it, in the process of being made available in four provinces.
This move is the latest in a series since 2001 (including closer border inspections and the use of tracking technology to monitor the movement of goods and people over longer distances) designed to "thicken" the Canada-U.S. border, as the U.S. Department of Homeland Security puts it.
The goal is to develop what is often called a virtual border involving much more electronic tracking and, ultimately, to keep the bad people out.
For homeland security, the bad people include drug runners and queue-jumping immigrants. But the baddest of the bad are Islamist extremists and most U.S. politicians, it seems, agree with the FBI and CIA that the most likely place for these extremists to launch an attack on United States is via Canada.
Why us?
To Canadians, this fear seems exaggerated, an unnecessary continuation of the post-9/11 anxiety attack.
After all, we don't have much of a terrorism problem here. Since 9/11, two Canadians have been convicted on terrorism charges — Ottawa computer engineer Mohammad Momin Khawaja and an as yet unnamed teenager connected to the Toronto-18 affair.
On the other hand, in 1999 Ahmed Ressam, a member of a suspected al-Qaeda sleeper cell in Montreal, was caught trying to cross into the U.S. at Port Angeles, Wash., with a load of explosives in his car. Ressam was intending to blow up the Los Angeles International Airport.
But since then, there has been no similar infiltration attempts and Canada has spent, at Washington's behest, an estimated additional $2 billion a year on border security, particularly at U.S.-Canada land crossings.
We've even erected anti-terrorist security fences on the docks at tiny ports on the Great Lakes such as Owen Sound.
Scanning equipment, such as these on the U.S. side of the Ambassador Bridge, which links Windosr and Detroit, will read the electronic signals from enhanced driver's licences and other data-emitting cards. (Carlos Osorio/Associated Press) So why do prominent U.S. politicians, such as President Barack Obama's new homeland security chief Janet Napolitano, keep looking northward and repeating the annoying myth that some of the 9/11 hijackers infiltrated the U.S. through Canada?
Are we really North America's weak link?
Too multicultural
Clearly Napolitano had her facts wrong about the 9/11 hijackers or maybe she just misspoke, when she was interviewed by the CBC recently.
But a former top official in the Bush administration says the threat that terrorists will use Canada as an unlatched back door to America is a real one, in his view, and can't be ignored.
The former number two at homeland security, Stewart Baker says concern that terrorists will use Canada as a staging point is not based on the 9/11 myth or the Ressam example alone but on what U.S. intelligence experts regard as Canada's liberal attitude towards accepting immigrants and refugees from parts of the world identified with Islamist terrorism.
He points a finger in particular at Quebec, which has control over its own share of Canada's yearly immigration quota. In its haste to find French-speaking immigrants, Quebec has accepted many from Algeria and Morocco, Baker points out. Both are countries that have had their problems with extremists.
New arrivals from East Asia and, in particular, Pakistan are another concern.
Sharing information
In addition, Baker claims the U.S. has had to reinforce its side of the border because Canada refuses to share vital information gathered by Canadian intelligence agencies on suspected terrorists living in Canada.
It is hard to believe we are not sharing this information, Canadian intelligence agencies have always boasted about their close relationship with the U.S. Though perhaps the sour taste following the Maher Arar incident has led Canadian agencies to be less forthcoming than in the past with their unfounded suspicions.
Baker also cites what the U.S. considers Canada's lax regulations over visitor visas.
Before the U.S. will grant a foreign country the privilege of having its citizens enter the U.S. without having to obtain a visa, that country has to agree to do a criminal and security check on any individual wanting to go abroad and share the results with American border authorities.
Countries as diverse as Latvia and South Korea have agreed and Canada has a visa-waiver program, too.
But, according to Baker, Canada's program does not require mandatory criminal background checks and so U.S. authorities fear the possibility that terrorists will try to take advantage of the less rigorous Canadian regulations and then try to sneak over the border into the U.S.
That is the basis for the much tougher border-crossing rules that begin on June 1.
Baker remembers learning the proud boast taught to school children in both countries — that Canada and the U.S. had the longest undefended border in the world.
Baker insists that's still true. After all neither country has moved its tanks up to the border.
But it's a new and more dangerous world and this "thickening" of the border will make it more difficult for potential terrorists, the U.S., at least, believes.
And even if Canadians think the U.S. is overreacting to 9/11, Baker, for one, says the anxiety Americans feel that terrorists are determined to do them harm is still very real.
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Are u sure U pased that reading comprehension part ... if so where did u go to HS?? ... possibly the same place I went for grammer and spelling .. *L* .. I said if they entered the counrty LEGALLY from one of the Canadian crossings .. meaning .. if they enter ILLEGALY by walking across our Canadian or mexican borders at one of the many points they can do that from .. or if they enter at one of the Canadian crossing points with FALSE DOCUMENTS (forged) .. we will not have a record of who has entered the country ... Quote:
I apologize for "putting words in your mouth". I mistakenly took sentiments from other posts and linked them with you.
No problem dude .. .. if thats the biggest mistake u made yesterday u had a pretty damm good day .. 
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You didn't ask me to do this, but here's the answer to your question.. http://www.ask.com/bar?q=How+many+miles+...d_States_borderIf you read down a bit, the answer to your your specific question of how long (in terms of miles) is the border with Mexico,, Quote:
The border's total length is 3,169 km (1,969 miles), according to figures given by the International Boundary and Water Commission.[1] It is the most frequently crossed international border in the world, with about 250 million illegal crossings every year.[2]
250 Million illegal crossing? WOW
Basically 1969 miles long.. it doesn't appear that all of it is fenced at the moment, but it appears they are moving in that direction.. You can see the map there and it shows it.
By the way, on that link is a ton of other info about the Mexican border.. enjoy
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I'm saying it's not going to stop because people with influence don't want it to stop.
'Illegal immigration, as far as the Big Boys are concerned, is merely a chip in debates come election time. No one in the higher ranks of business/gov't *actually* wants it to stop.
In a capitalist society, immigrants are a necessity. No one wants them gone. We could build an electric fence protected by a thousand angry pit bulls, and business interests would still bring them over or under it...or they'd simply pluck immigrants from another impoverished nation.
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Only 1/3 of the approx 2100 mile border will be fenced. I assume thats because a large part of that is considered uncrossable, due to rough terrain, vast stretches of desert, no proximity to urban centers, maybe the Rio Grande(?). Its certainly not a foolproof plan, but still better than it was.
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I normally stay away from political descussions,but this one is hilarious. Why the requirement for passports? The answer is twofold and obvious. Politicians have known for many,many years that the public is extremely gullible.They will hold this up as evidence that our current regime is doing something about illegal immigration.As you can see from many replies,it's working well. Secondly,it's a hidden tax on travel,another way to raise money.You want to travel to Canada,buy a passport.You want to travel to Mexico,buy a pssport.You want to wipe your butt,pay a tissue tax. The fence,give me a break.It will never cover the entire border.Nothing more that another example of the gov't saying there're doing something about a problem. Notice from that article that Arizona has more of the fence in place.Why is that?Do you think McCain and Napalitoni might have something to do with that,of coarse. One other thing,there are many illegals working on installing the fence presently,and getting well paid for thier labors.
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Shoot...maybe we will start seeing a push to show our papers if we cross state lines. Wait,,,that is the rights ploy...the left won't let us cross state lines. 
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