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I'm not so sure you would be, but if that happened I'm sure you would be the ringleader of the Brady Brady chants with DAs first int.
maybe I wasn't clear ... when i said i would be 'thrilled" if it was DA .. I meant i would be thrilled if he turned out to be a VERY VERY GOOD QB for the next decade ..
not 100% sure if u knew thats what i meant .. let me know .. then we can continue with that little snippet of the debate ..
and dude .. I never called for DA's head last year .. NOT ONCE .. i pretty much stood away from that aspect of it ... but if i did voice an opinion .. I would wager it was to stick up for him against those giving him to much grief for things out of his control ..
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I will ... 
Jeannie has mentioned the QB and what he is looking for a few times .. and there in lies not only clues but a DEFINITE SIGN that BQ is going to be the guy ..
I do not believe I would get a debate from even the staunchest DA supporter that we have 2 QB's with ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SKILL SETS ... no need to go into them as we all are acutely aware of the differences .. so now on to what Jeannie has SAID ....
he is looking for a leader ..
DA is immensely POPULAR .. everyone seems to LOVE HIM .. well .. that does not make him a leader it just makes him well liked ... I like DA .. I really do (i just don't think hes a viable QB as a starter ... just like Dra and hank) .. but his personality from everything we've heard and seen is not the peronality of a leader ... its just not in his make up ..
BQ on the other hand .. he has LEADERSHIP coming out his ass .. i doubt anyone would debate that .. and if they did .. it would be futile as anyone with a clue knows about his leadership abilities ..
Jeannie has said he is looking for someone to take command and be in charge of the huddle ...
do we need to discuss that ... if so .. we can .. all I say is that even way back to the first pre-season game he played in folks were talking about BQ's huddle presence .. I believe it was cribbs that said .. "when we get in the huddle wth BQ he just takes charge and has a commanding presence" ....
DA ... not so much ...
Jeannie has also recently said that he wants a QB that can read a D and make quick decisions
... well unless DA underwent a football metamorphis that is not nor ever will be a STRENGTH of his ...
BQ on the other hand .. thats 2 of his strenghts ..
so thats 4 things (the only 4 things) that Jeannie has said he is looking for in a QB ..
AND ALL 4 POINT 100% TOWARDS BQ'S SKILL SET ...
I am not sure how u could "FLOAT ANY OF THEM THE OTHER WAY" ... my GUESS is (and its only a guess) U had no clue what the SIGNS i was REFFERING to were ... well there they are ... feel free to "float" them another way ... 
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You don't see that as of now with the draft gone and any trade value for DA a wash , there would be no reason not to name BQ the starter today...... unless ....ummmm..... Mangini really means there is a competition.
umm .. well actually there are PLENTY OF REASONS for him not to name a starter today ...
1. COMPETITION IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE ... especially in this case ..
2. PRECEDENCE/CREDIBILITY .. it would set a bad example to the rest of the team if he just went and named BQ the starter .... good luck selling to the others that he's FAIR and will give everyone a chance if he just names BQ the starter TODAY ...
3. there is no need to name a starter today .. NONE .. there is NO DOWNSIDE to not having named a starter as of now .. NONE ..
now when camp starts .. thats a different story .. cause ONCE WE'VE FIGURED OUT THE OTHER COMPONENTS (U see .. right now .. were not sure who our #2 or 3 or 4 WR's are at this point .. or who is going to start at TE and what there roles will be) .... then were taking away reps from our #1 learning a new system with lots of new players .. thats when u need to start wieghing the advantages/disadvantages ...
so when camp opens .. we'll see how the other "comps" break down and how long they take ..... and then we'll see how the reps ACTUALLY break down between DA and BQ ... my guess is he will continue with the charade for a few weeks and then very soon after that name BQ the starter or U will see BQ GETTING MORE AND MORE REPS WITH THE 1ST UNIT after it is settled upon ...
BASED ON WHAT HE IS LOOKING FOR .. HE IS ALL READY SETTING THE STAGE TO NAME BQ ... even a blind man can see that ...
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and that is the buety in all of this .. TIME WILL ALWAYS TELL ...
and history shows that I am usually right .. doesn't mean i will be in this case .. but there is REASON TO BELIEVE .... 
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only because it means one of two things ..
1. I am dead wrong about BQ .. and only reason that is a bummer is cause it means we STILL NEED A QB ...
2. Jeannie is an IDIOT and were not gonna win until hes gone ..
I do not like either of those scenarios ..
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1st of all I would be #4 ..
dude .. trust me when I tell u .. if DA does what i do not think he is capable of and that is IMPROVE ENOUGH to be a quality NFL starter .. that would be ABSOLUTELY FINE BY ME ...
this is not about me being right or the man crush folks thik i have on BQ .. this is all about THE BROWNS HAVING A GOOD QB ... it really is that simple to me .. I COULD CARE LESS WHO IT IS .. and thats the TRUTH weather u or anyone else believes it or not ...
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I just wonder about what percent you do think is right? I know that you didn't think DA was to blame nearly as much as others at the start of the season. DA also didn't play a full year. Quinn didn't play as bad as you judged him but he was far from stellar.
Yes, I did want DA pulled prematurely last year but I think that probably puts me squarely in Quinn's camp. I hate to have to bring it up but if you say anything that sounds like defense of DA you get blasted.
This is all a waste of time. The only way DA is our QB is if Quinn injures himself. I don't think he can play (or practice) bad enough not to get the job. All things are aligned in his favor before you even take into consideration talent.
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prefer Quinn over DA. People who prefer DA probably prefer a Brett Favre over a Peyton Manning. I don't.
Uh..if DA resembled Far-ve..I'd take that right now. 
If Quinn resembled Manning I'd take that too.
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I see it like this: I don't think Romeo has lost the team yet, but I do think DA has lost the offense...when he set Winslow up to be killed by Ray Lewis, I think that point is clear. Braylon it is quite clear has no confidence in DA just watch the body language.
Our D is demoralized because they know the O will do nothing.
I personally think starting Brady Quinn "now" is the right answer for various reasons:
1. Brady Quinn is cocky, confident and arrogant just like Kellen winslow...he bring fire to the huddle.
2. Brady won't hang guys out to dry
3. The O will probably play much harder for Brady because they have lost confidence in DA
4. Since the O probably will have more success, this should jump start our Defense to play much better, especially if a Quinn led O begins scoring points(and they will) our D will no longer be demoralized and will begin to play much harder
we have no choice but to go with Quinn...Da has lost the team, I know none of the players will say it in public, but I can tell by their body language that the team in general is very upset with Da and have no faith in him
Da is a lame duck, its time to show him the Bench and get quinn out there
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I personally hope Quinn plays well. I have never been shy in advocating I would rather see Quinn as the starter..I feel he gives us the best chance to win "moving forward down the road"
Anderson may be "slightly better" right now...but he doesn't have Quinn's potential....
I want to see Anderson do well, i really do...but what the kid has in talent with that arm is negated by his decision making....when Anderson is on he is on, but when he is bad, he is downright awful..look at the Cincy game last year
I'll Never forgive DA for that game...DA had no pressure from the Bengals D on him, our Ol gave him plenty of time...all those INTS were DA's fault..thats all on him
that proved to me the kid can't handle pressure...he folded...plain and simple...the kid cracked...he's not primetime material....Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, they win that game....I don't think Brady Quinn loses that game either
Look at ND since Quinn left...their god awful
What Quinn gives you over Da is this.
1: Quinn "will not" single handily lose a game for you. Quinn don't make dumb throws, the kid doesn't try to force things that simply aren't there.
2. Quinn is a truse student of the game, the kid is smart, reads his progressions quickly and takes what the D gives him. Quinn was known in college for not throwing alot of interceptions
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Anderson has alot of talent too, don't get me wrong. but Andersons main shortcomings are
1. He takes too many risks and force the ball...he throws balls that shouldn't be thrown and this caught up with him in the Cincy game last year..you can't do that in this league. Remember when he got picked off in the Endzone Against N.E in the 1st quarter? Jason Wright was wide open in the flat and instead Anderson forces the ball to BE who was triple covered and got picked off...that is the type of stuff im talking about...Quinn would not have made that throw because he is "smart enough" to know not to do that.
2. Anderson has no tough on his short passing game, Andersons short passing game is awful...the Steelers exposed him...Anderson struggles when teams play a 2 deep cover 2 zone and force him to throw underneath...he struggled hard against the Steelers in the 2nd half of that game because he couldn't thorw the short underneath stuff to move the chains to save his life.
Anderson will struggle this year...i just hope Romeo has the sense that if Anderson falters big time in the 1st game, the 2nd game at the latest to yank the kid and put in Quinn so we can win some football games...we had an easy schedule last year
Anderson has not shown me he has improved on that short passing game at all...he is still struggling with it..the 6-11 yard passing game in the NFL is the bread and butter..if you cna't complete 65% of those passes..your not worthy to be a QB..those are the passes you have to be able to get consistently..look at Brady, Manning, that is their bread and butter...Anderson has yet to prove to anyone he can do this...
Quinn proved it last year in his drive against San Fran in the reg season, and has proved it in the preseason
Quinn may not have "as strong" of an arm as DA..most QB'S don't have DA's arm..but Quinn's is strong enough to get the job done....
just remember i said this...DA will struggle this year....just a matter of when not if...his short passing game and bad decison making and forcing the ball into triple coverages will be his undoing...he got lucky alot of times last year....DA hasn't won a game against a team with a willing record...remember that...
Shall I continue.....
You can continue all you want.
Those were posts I made "BEFORE" I ever saw Quinn play in a REAL NFL Regular season game.
Yes Quinn does Bring Fire
Yes Quinn is cocky and Arrogant
BUT I had no idea he had the arm I seen in the Dever game....I mean either im spoiled on DA cannon or Quinn's arm reminds me of Frye'
it takes the ball "forever" to reach the receiver.....Frye had the same problem
It wasn't Frye wasn't "talented" enough it was just it took the ball forever to get to its receiver
You watch the velocity on Anderson's passes compared to Quinn...Quinns balls take "twice" as long to reach the receiver compared to Anderson on the same distance.
but as i said before, I personally now think that "neither" Quinn nor Anderson are the answer here for this team......They will give Quinn a chance because:
1. We couldn't work a deal with Denver to ship him out.
2. We drafted him in the 1st rd and we can't just cut him
so its only a matter of time before he gets a shot, and it may very well be this year as the starter
I am not saying Quinn doesn't have the things i mentioned in those posts, but I was wearing Brown Colored glasses back then and once I saw Quinn in a few REAL NFL games....i knew what i saw just wasn't going to cut it
say what you want about Kosar, he didn't have a deep ball, but the man had some serious velocity on his short and meduim passes, they didn't take forever to reach the receiver
As i said before, IF Quinn is named the srater fine...I will support him, and I will even defend him on here. I WILL NOT call for his head until he has 3 full years as a starter under his belt, I am willing to give the kid a fair chance...I am not sure many on here will....
The question is if DA beats out Quinn....he won't have a chance..the fans will be calling for his head immedialty....its just the way of the world.
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I thought there was no competition, only coronation?
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If he's never said anything publicly, how does the press know he's unhappy with his contract?!
Are you joking? He didn't show up to the voluntary mini-camps. I also imagine our front office said something
But, hey, may be he just wanted to take them off..............
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Really? You said Anderson didn't get enough time.....take a look above at who was clamoring for his head. You are now going on and on about Anderson's strengths and why he is the win now guy......take a look above at all the weaknesses you were droning on about. You said you weren't impressed with Quinn at N.D.....take a look above and see how you were talking about how N.D. hasn't done crap since he left. The inconsistencies go on and on so trying to pass it off as if it was just that you hadn't seen Quinn play yet is weak....and if you are basing your decision on the VERY small sample of watching a healthy Quinn play, that's even weaker. The point was, you change your tune with which ever way the wind is blowing which makes your opinion....well......weak. 
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"Definitely," the coach of the Browns said prior to Thursday's OTA practice. "I want to go through the whole process, evaluate each phase, see it against other opponents."
Thats all he has said as for going into the late preseason games without a named starter...thats all Writer's speculations and not from one quote from ManG.
ManG actually said that they will know who the starter is and will wait for him to make it evident.
To me that means - BQ starts lighting it up in Pre-season one he might be named the starter???
I will be shocked if a Starter is not named by Pre-season game #3. here is the quote:
"I want to go through the whole process, evaluate each phase, see it against other opponents," Mangini said Thursday before a voluntary practice. "It'll be pretty clear as to who should have the spot. It just has to reveal itself."
Which again means to me...wait till BQ gets hot then its revealed and so will our starting QB be revealed as well
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"I have no clue bro .. i do not think u can assign a % to how much of the blame"
Obviously its 72.8%
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Posted June 12th, 2009 by Marla Ridenour
Browns quarterback Derek Anderson sat out the second of two mandatory minicamp practices Friday with an apparent leg injury. The team would not give details afterward.
Anderson came up limping after scrambling to find an open receiver in the morning session, but was able to finish the practice.
But after lunch, he wore a sleeve on the lower part of his right leg and even had difficulty jogging downfield to watch his teammates. He did work with injured teammates Jamal Lewis, Steve Heiden and Braylon Edwards at the start of drills. He later put on his helmet to hear the plays being called over its headset, but watched the team portion from the sideline. He did not throw in quarterback drills.
When the team concluded the evening with a two-minute drill, Brett Ratlliff was the second quarterback working behind Brady Quinn.
Anderson and Quinn are competing for the starting job, which will not be determined until late in preseason.
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/2009/06/12/anderson-misses-practice/
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http://cle.scout.com/2/872008.htmli guess you can't copy/paste from scout.com anymore  they say mostly the same thing, except that he was lightly jogging and "didn't appear to be in any pain" contrasting what riddenour says
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i guess you can't copy/paste from scout.com anymore they say mostly the same thing, except that he was lightly jogging and "didn't appear to be in any pain" contrasting what riddenour says
It says he didn't appear to be in any "serious" pain and that he was "slightly" jogging, not "lightly".
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Anderson Not Practicing as Camp Concludes
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Browns quarterback Derek Anderson is off on the sidelines again today as the Browns have their final practice of the mandatory mini-camp. Steve King is there and offers this report...
Browns quarterback Derek Anderson missed his second straight practice with some type of injury on Saturday morning as the club began its final practice in a three-day, full-squad minicamp.
After going through loosening up drills with his teammates, Anderson, wearing a white wrap around his lower right leg, went with several other injured players, including tight end Steve Heiden and defensive back Hamza Abdullah, to a place at the other end of the practice fields complex that’s not visible to the media. He was jogging slightly and did not appear to be in any serious pain. He was laughing and joking with some other Browns as he trotted off.
Anderson suffered a season-ending knee injury late in the fourth quarter of a 10-6 home loss to the Indianapolis Colts and had corrective surgery. He said, though, a couple weeks ago that he was completely recovered from that, and had been taking part fully in p ractices until missing Friday afternoon’s session. He had worked Friday morning and did not appear to be hurt when that practice ended.
Anderson, of course, is involved in what should be a hotly-contested competition with Brady Quinn for the starting job. They had been sharing the repititions in practice, but with Anderson out, Quinn has been getting just about all of the work with the No. 1 offense. Free-agent pickup Brett Ratliff, who played last year with the New York Jets under new Browns head coach Eric Mangini, moved up to No. 2.
Mangini will certainly be asked about the situation when he addresses the media early Saturday afternoon. However, he does not usually give many – if any – details regarding injuries.
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I thought the coronation already happened, and Brady was just waiting on the return of hs jock. :
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I thought the coronation already happened, and Brady was just waiting on the return of hs jock.
I guess U don't know me very well ... BQ has about as much of a shot of me giving him his jock back as DaMan has of making an intelligent football post ..
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I thought the coronation already happened, and Brady was just waiting on the return of hs jock.
I guess U don't know me very well ... BQ has about as much of a shot of me giving him his jock back as DaMan has of making an intelligent football post ..
Just busting on you a little, I don't disagree with your BQ assessment, I just don't think it's as set in stone as you do.
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Minicamp is over. The month-long siege between spring practice and training camp begins.
Where do Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn go from here?
It’s home to Scappoose, Ore., for Derek Anderson.
“Hang, out, relax, refresh the mind ... for a week or two,” Anderson said standing in the shade of the giant opening to the indoor fieldhouse.
For Quinn, it’s a mystery destination, some workout camp somewhere.
It’s a serious, high-priced program, but he refuses to say where. He’ll only say it’s as much a grinder as an Atlanta-based workout camp used and touted by running back Jamal Lewis.
“I actually told Jamal I’d come down and work out with him (some future year), just to see what he has gone versus what I’ve got,” Quinn said.
Quinn said his workout sessions will be “two-a-days if not three-a-days.” They include morning running-agility drills, afternoon strength training and outside-the-box nightcaps.
“The cross-training might be boxing or another activity in which you can cross over athletic moves you might use in football,” Quinn said.
The point?
“You want to be balanced,” he said. “You want to be symmetrical. You want to put yourself in the best position athletically, so when things break down, and you’ve got to run or make some sort of move, you can.
“You can be out there with D-linemen, linebackers, DBs, where you’re strong enough to run through them or break through a tackle.
“It also helps with durability. It’s something I never had problems with in college, in high school, and really, I haven’t played as much here, but .... it’s to help prepare my body for that sort of beating.”
Quinn said some teammates might join him at his undisclosed site.
“I always try to recruit guys to come down,” he said — wherever “down” is.
Might that include wideout Braylon Edwards, who said he will spend some of July working with Quinn?
“I can’t say, but you need some throwing targets,” Quinn said.
Anderson wasn’t as expansive in detailing his workout plans.
He finished minicamp with an apparently minor leg injury that knocked him out of Saturday’s team drills. He shared his overview of how the quarterbacks progressed in the spring:
“Obviously, we had a couple of rough days, but overall, I think it was good.
“It takes a little bit to get used to the coaches and what they want. There are little subtle differences here and there. That’s what June’s for.”
Quinn, usually more verbose than Anderson in interviews, offered this post-minicamp overview:
“People are really taking onto the system and studying a ton. We’re visiting guys in their homes.
“Everyone’s studying together and getting together. I think it’s helped us become closer and bond even moreso, you know, with the new system, the coaching staff, and everything.
“I definitely grew ... our whole entire offense. Our team grew.”
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I remember Jurevicius used to make a big deal out of stuff like this.
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Found it somewhat odd that there haven't been more replies to this article.
DA is going home to Oregon to relax while BQ is going to be busting his ass at a workout camp, and other players may be joining him.
QB competition my ass.
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I thought that would draw more responses too.
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Found it somewhat odd that there haven't been more replies to this article.
DA is going home to Oregon to relax while BQ is going to be busting his ass at a workout camp, and other players may be joining him.
QB competition my ass.
All it does is hurt DA from a leadership standpoint. BQ is stepping up to the plate.
I'm pretty much with Diam though...this is just the coronation ceremony. I think this was designed to bring the most effort out of both QB's and they'll be better off for it.
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The part of the article that got me excited was this ...
Might that include wideout Braylon Edwards, who said he will spend some of July working with Quinn?
I was just glad to see Brey is putting extra work in with one of our QB's ...
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We are in that time of year when no news is good news. Players have more of an opportunity now to get in trouble with the law. Too much free time. I'm all for players going to special work out camps- keeps them busy, keeps them in shape for training camp. just my 2 cents......
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I was just glad to see Brey is putting extra work in with one of our QB's ...
The man has two hungry WR's behind him now... He has to work hard... and the fact that he is in a contract year may have somethign to do with that as well.. lol.
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The man has two hungry WR's behind him now... He has to work hard... and the fact that he is in a contract year may have somethign to do with that as well.. lol.
It has everything to do with it.....his agent is behind him with a pitchfork pushing him......
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 yeah for the first Preseason game on who would get the first series in a very just and equal share of first team reps of a QB competition of two very young QBs not highly invested in.
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The man has two hungry WR's behind him now... He has to work hard... and the fact that he is in a contract year may have somethign to do with that as well.. lol.
It has everything to do with it.....his agent is behind him with a pitchfork pushing him......
This is the one-and-only time I ever defend Edwards.
His work ethic isn't something I question. When hurt, he's rehabed hard, and when healthy, he's worked very hard.
Somehow, some way, I doubt Edwards needs his agent to push him when it comes to wanting more money or fame 
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I don't disagree but more money for Bray means more money for the agent.....so he's chasing him.
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