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The worst that can happen is that somebody disagree's with you. If we were afraid of that all of us guys would still be single
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Sure he can prove that he didn't get it at the clinic, I stated how he could do so. A staph infection doesn't creep up on you, its not there one day and then there the next.
You might want to re-word that before I reply bud.
Yeah, I typed it too quick and didn't check myself. What I was saying is that if he didn't have a staph infection within the first 48 hours post surgery, you can say that he probably didn't contract his infection at the cleveland clinic. So that's one potential avenue discredited. I'm sure there are other ways of verifying the timeline as to when he got sick, but i just don't know enough about the story. Which is probably true in regards to everyone in this thread I'd imagine.
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Just because you come down with a staph infection does not mean it will blow up right away, but I can not honestly tell you how long it takes to show up. I have never really looked into that.
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Sure he can prove that he didn't get it at the clinic, I stated how he could do so. A staph infection doesn't creep up on you, its not there one day and then there the next.
You might want to re-word that before I reply bud.
Yeah, I typed it too quick and didn't check myself. What I was saying is that if he didn't have a staph infection within the first 48 hours post surgery, you can say that he probably didn't contract his infection at the cleveland clinic. So that's one potential avenue discredited. I'm sure there are other ways of verifying the timeline as to when he got sick, but i just don't know enough about the story. Which is probably true in regards to everyone in this thread I'd imagine.
I wish I remembered the exact number, but if he develops an infection in his surgery site within a certain numbers of days, it's usually accounted for in the hospital's nosocomial (hospital-acquired) infections.
I knew the number we used at one point for our orthopaedic department, but am not quite sure. Might be 6 months, or maybe it's 3, but 6 months keeps popping up in my head.
Doesn't mean it came from there, but there's still the possibility. Sometimes the infection just sits down there, below the skin, and abscesses, or festers for a while before it becomes noticeable.
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I wish JJ well; I pimped him non-stop, and think he did what hecould to get back. Some of this must be players, but MRSA and staph are new & ugly facts of life. Sorry to see it as a career killer. Seems like we have enough incidents to make this a renewed priority. I do not feel it was intentional; but it also doesn't just breed out of the thin blue. If you have seen this stuff, it is ugly awful. You control what you can, and adapt to what you can't control. But this is just all-around ugly. Part of the suit may be thin or overdone, but it needs addressed, especially if we tried to clamp it off and blame the victims of this crap. 
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I can see I missed the boat. I really should have sued my ex-employer for my staph infection.
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Really? You go on a time-scale that long? That's understandable I guess. But, that's for ALL infections right? Staph doesn't sit though. As soon as it gains a toe-hold through a break in the skin it starts wreaking havoc.
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Sure you could DM, if you can prove that they used poor aseptic techniques when dealing with your wound, which is what JJ is saying. Maybe he's right, maybe he's lying or wrong, but his claim is plausible. Using dirty or poorly cleaned physical therapy devices on his wounded leg could have given him his infection. Do you disagree with the plausibility of this claim?
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Sure you could DM, if you can prove that they used poor aseptic techniques when dealing with your wound, which is what JJ is saying. Maybe he's right, maybe he's lying or wrong, but his claim is plausible. Using dirty or poorly cleaned physical therapy devices on his wounded leg could have given him his infection. Do you disagree with the plausibility of this claim?
Making a claim is one thing - proving it is different.
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Has anybody brought up the reality that the responsibility for caring for that wound once you're out of the hospital is really the patient's? I've had several surgeries in my lifetime and each time I was instructed, in no uncertain terms, how to take care of the surgical site. Included in my instructions were places to be very careful in (if I couldn't avoid them altogether). Public restrooms and locker rooms were near the top of that list.
It will be interesting to see what happens if this actually goes to trial (I still think the Browns will settle). I would bet that the defense will talk about the instructions JJ got post-op and hone in on why HE didn't take responsibility for making sure equipment he used was wiped down properly before he used it. In a multi-use facility, you're kidding yourself if you think you are ever hopping on a sterile device unless you've personally wiped it down yourself.
I still think JJ got bad advice on this one. ::shrug::
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Next time I catch a cold at work, I'm going to be rolling in the money! They obviously didn't protect me!!
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You should probably sue every store you visit, too. And, don't forget the gas stations...gas pumps are filthy. I may actually start wearing gloves to pump gas...not only for the germs, but the STINK people leave on the handles. It's either gas they somehow splashed all over, or men's cologne/aftershave. 
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I wish the human-factor of fallibility didn't exist. We could then have situations where defendants could be awarded substantial damages for fradulant lawsuits. ex. JJ sues the Browns on some flimsy premise in the hopes of making a money-grab. The ruling comes down that the Browns did everything they could to protect people from further Staph infections. The ruling is that JJ, because the suit was essentially BS, has to pay the Browns damages.
JJ better be right, because I think he's an ass for doing what he's doing.
The Browns wanted to restructure his deal. He said no. Anyone think that if the Browns had just paid him his salary that he'd be suing the Browns? Hell no he wouldn't.
This suit is pure crap, and so is JJ for going there.
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Next time I catch a cold at work, I'm going to be rolling in the money! They obviously didn't protect me!!
Sorry jules, scroll up. I showed why thats a bad analogy.
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Making a claim is one thing - proving it is different.
Sure it is. But, because it's plausible means that he at least should be able to show the court why he thinks it came from the training facility and not from somewhere else. Whether he's right or not is up to the court.
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I read it and disagree. I see you chastising others in another thread about their ignorance. Perhaps you should seek out a mirror. Are we showing are anti-intellectual bias by not bowing down to what you perceive to be your great intellect?
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And are we resorting to ad-hominem attacks in order to drum up support for your own views? Thats not proper debate Jules and just makes you seem like a poor sport.  I'll ask you too Jules. Is it plausible that he contracted his staph infection from dirty instruments?
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Why don't you go back and read a couple of your posts on this thread and others, you may want dig out that mirror before you point the fingers at others about the nature of their posting. Shall I point out a couple of them in this thread alone from you? I think it's plausible to contract it in a great number of places, thus my analogy on the subject.
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I'm sorry, but when did i point out anyone's style of posting? (other than the recent franken thread, which was a joke i might add again)
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Um, please look at the post above my last one. 
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No I pointed out the logical fallacy (the ad-hom) you posted. There's a bit of a difference. And I only did it after you did it to me, see the post above the one you just referenced.
Care to point out another?
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Wow, you academics have problems following the bouncing ball, don't ya? You called me out for how I posted and I pointed out to you how you had done the exact same thing you accused me of in quite a few posts both in this thread and others. I didn't say you told people how to post in other threads or this one....not once. 
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Wow, you academics have problems following the bouncing ball, don't ya?
Is it my fault for not following? Or your's for not making the point well enough. 
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You called me out for how I posted and I pointed out to you how you had done the exact same thing you accused me of in quite a few posts both in this thread and others.
Again, please point out my ad-hominem attacks. You said you would. In my recollection, and also going back over my posts myself, I never once got sarcastic or snarky in order to make my point.
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I didn't say you told people how to post in other threads or this one....not once.
JMHMisunderstanding. 
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