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I just hope you guys know there are 2 schools of thought here...there are LOT of people who believe we should celebrate our differences rather than ignore them...
Yep, this does create a paradox doesn't it..... You can't have every ethnic group celebrating what makes them different without other ethnic groups noticing those differences and some people using it against them.... In a perfect world we could all accept those differences but not let it influence our opinions... but in the world of human beings it doesn't work that way..... maybe we could try to live "seperate but equal"... that worked so well the last time we tried it...
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So you opose interracial mairrage?
I mean that would blur the issue,right? It would be "ignoring your color" would it not? Or is that an acception? Is it "pay attention to the color difference UNLESS it come to love"?
Is it "sometimes notice the difference" and sometimes
"don't notice the difference"? Just wondering. Because if we're different and need to keep that realization,shouldn't that be a constant?
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I don't see where you were goin with this....
Are you saying we should try segregation? or suggesting that is where i'm going with it? cuz i'm not....
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Corp,is that you??? 
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You know what's funny?
I didn;t even realize that there were 2 black Head Coaches in the Super Bowl until the talking heads pointed it out to me. I saw them each give interviews, but never even thought to myself, "Self, those are 2 black Head Coaches there". I remember being somewhat glad that Dungy got over the hump, and musing that Smith wouldn't have to answer further questions about keeping Grossman as his starter. That's about it.
For all of the progress we have made, some still insist on labeling people. People are people, and I, for one, wish we would get to the point where that person's actions, ideas, and character are more important than any superficial appearance trait.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I mean that would blur the issue,right? It would be "ignoring your color" would it not? Or is that an acception? Is it "pay attention to the color difference UNLESS it come to love"?
Maybe you guys are miss understanding what i mean.....i am not against interracial marriages.....and that isn't because that is the excpetion to what i believe in....its not even a problem from where i stand....
As long as the two people want to persue something they have in common there is no reason for them to not get married because of their skin color.....
This goes back to the original topic....your skin color does NOT define you...but it is very much a part of who you are.....
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No, I'm saying there is no right answer. Things like selecting a football coach is easy, pick the person that gives you the best chance to win... that person could be a female Mexican midget for all I care, if she can get the Browns to the SuperBowl... HIRE HER.
But in the larger discussion of racism, it's more complex... as Pit pointed out, when ethnic groups choose to celebrate and accentuate what makes them different, it only stands to reason that other people are going to notice those differences.... and those differences will always be exploited or used to create bias in peoples mind.... couple that with age old stereotypes and ... well, it can get better.. it has gotten better... we should keep working on making it better... but it's never going to be perfect.
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I didn;t even realize that there were 2 black Head Coaches in the Super Bowl until the talking heads pointed it out to me. I saw them each give interviews, but never even thought to myself, "Self, those are 2 black Head Coaches there".
Honestly i did not either....and thats the way it should be....that is where lot of you are missunderstanding me...
Skin color is not the first thing one should think of when they think of someone....hecks no....i don't think of my friends as black/white/brown either.....but i will not ignore thoes differences....
That being said....if it actually means something to them then who are WE to say "oh shut up and talk football already"? ask a 90 year old and i bet he will tell you it's a big deal......we have forgotten what it use to be like...or in ppl like me who are young and never witnessed the "old" days we need to learn about this and appriciate....
It's not as big as they make it out to be...it should nto be the focus of the superbowl....but it certainly is a big feat and is a testimate as to how far we have come...it's something to be proud about in my opnion...but thats it...then we should move onto the game because ultimately that is what the super sunday is about...
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But what happens next? Are their children black? If so,why aren't they white? What color "should they see" when they look in the mirror?
Getting a little confusing isn't it?
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Well we should not make a BIG DEAL out of the skin color...but we should not ignore it completey because of what it means.....it can mean several things.....culture, nationality, religion tons of other things....one could even go out as far as language but that is a ify subject(should eveyone learn english or should everyone who knows english learn another popular language like spanish)..but the big ones being cultural and religion...
Having different colored skin does make any difference in culture, nationality, religion tons of other things... any more than having the same color skin does. IMO If you think it does please feel free to tell me how.
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I just hope you guys know there are 2 schools of thought here...there are LOT of people who believe we should celebrate our differences rather than ignore them...
I know of a group of people like that. They run around wearing white sheets over their heads. 
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that person could be a female Mexican midget for all I care, if she can get the Browns to the SuperBowl... HIRE HER.
I guess i see what you are saying....but that is exactly what racism is isn't it? the stereotyping and bias towards certain people towards their ethnicity and cultural beliefs that makes us different...thats what we need to work towards and destroy....not ones skin color....
I would love to stay and talk more with you guys...but i haven't had lunch yet lol...yes and i need food or i'll pass out....
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just out of curiosity: You keep talking about the "differences" between the races........care to enlighten me on what these "differences" are? The ones that need to be celebrated? What is different from black to white, and what exactly are you proposing gets "celebrated?".
Not trying to be smart - just curious about all these "differences" you speak of, and what they are, and why they should be "celebrated".
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just out of curiosity: You keep talking about the "differences" between the races........care to enlighten me on what these "differences" are? The ones that need to be celebrated? What is different from black to white, and what exactly are you proposing gets "celebrated?".
Heritage, customs, traditions, beliefs, holidays, fashion, music, food, accents, accomplishments...... to name some things that various ethnicities celebrate and rally around....
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what they are, and why they should be "celebrated".
If you think they shouldn't be celebrated, then that's fine... but the fact is they are....
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I am so "SICK"! of people and the color thing! Are we not humans? Are we not made in the immage of GOD? Why is it that it has to be Black, White, Red, Yellow, or what ever? Is this not the year 2007ad.? And dont get me started on short people! Im 6'-5" errr 5'-6"
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Heritage, customs, traditions, beliefs, holidays, fashion, music, food, accents, accomplishments...... to name some things that various ethnicities celebrate and rally around....
Well gee whiz, and golly gee I didn't realize african americans had different customs, traditions, beliefs, holidays, fashion, music, food, accents, and accomplishments than us crackers. I better tell the ones I know to quit listining to the music I listen to, quit shopping in the same stores as me, quit attending my church, stop celebrating christmas and new years, and stop talking like me.
HEY wait a second, all white people don't have all those things in common either.
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just out of curiosity: You keep talking about the "differences" between the races........care to enlighten me on what these "differences" are? The ones that need to be celebrated? What is different from black to white, and what exactly are you proposing gets "celebrated?".
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what they are, and why they should be "celebrated".
If you think they shouldn't be celebrated, then that's fine... but the fact is they are....
Those are all good things to remember.
So someone of a different race has different "customs", or whatever.....how does that fit in to "2 black coaches are coaching in the superbowl"? How do you reconcile that with MY heritage, or YOURS, or someone elses? Wanna have a special day, go ahead, and if the food is good, I'll probably show up.
I'm originally, supposedly, from Lichtenstein. Big damn deal. I could care less what they do there, or what they did. When do we become Americans, DC? When do we quit beating others over the head with the "you don't know my heritage, you don't know how it is to be me" stuff? Sad thing is, the people saying that are most times 3,4, or even 5 generations removed from that. Wanna celebrate your ancestry? Great. Wanna use that as an excuse, and expect me to feel sorry for you? Not gonna happen.
And you know as well as I do that BrownBuck wasn't entirely referring to the instances you listed.
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So someone of a different race has different "customs", or whatever.....how does that fit in to "2 black coaches are coaching in the superbowl"?
The two are completely unrelated.
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How do you reconcile that with MY heritage, or YOURS, or someone elses? Wanna have a special day, go ahead, and if the food is good, I'll probably show up.
I don't have to reconcile it. The discussion was about why people care about their ethnicity, nationality, whatever.... and why people can't just see each other as "people".... I was just offering my own 2 cents on why people care... and why some people don't WANT to be recognized as just people... some people WANT to be recognized as a black person, a white person, an Irish person, a gay person, a man, or a woman.... that's why they have their own magazines, their own celebrations, their own parades..... I'm not passing judgment on whether it's right or wrong, just that it exists.
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I'm originally, supposedly, from Lichtenstein. Big damn deal.
I'm 75% Irish... the only day I even think about that is March 17th every year... that and when people comment on my McName.
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That's up to the individual... I became an American on May 4, 1966...
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When do we quit beating others over the head with the "you don't know my heritage, you don't know how it is to be me" stuff?
I don't know.. I don't do it, I guess you don't either.... but as long as people keep making an issue of their own heritage, I guess others will recognize it.... usually in a less than flattering way.
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Sad thing is, the people saying that are most times 3,4, or even 5 generations removed from that. Wanna celebrate your ancestry? Great. Wanna use that as an excuse, and expect me to feel sorry for you? Not gonna happen.
I agree. Keep in mind arch, I have simply been stating what I see and offering an explanation as to why I think it is that way... I haven't really been advocating that's the way I think it SHOULD BE.
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And you know as well as I do that BrownBuck wasn't entirely referring to the instances you listed.
....oh? is that so? something tells me you will tell me what I was refering to better than anyone else lol...
Let me ask you this before i answer any of your questions...did you read every post i made in this thread or did you directly chime in after reading last few? because it sounds that way...i'm not being a smart ass...just telling it like it is....
DC listed a pretty good list...he added to some things i said earlier...but that is exactly the kind of stuff i think of....
I'm proud to be who i am...if you don't care for where you came from that is your choice...i rather not mesh into something that doesn't belong here nor there....if you call that being american i hope not everyone feels that way....because i don't think that is what being american is....anywho it's not important....
what IS important is that some of the folks in here sort of understood where i'm commin from and thats great...just couldn't seem to bare all the cliches and from what i felt were ignorant comments in every thread that turned into race debate on the board in the last few months.....
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Perhaps you forget, YOU, not me, made a to doo out of the "2 black coaches in the superbowl" thing. You, not me, made a to doo out of the "aren't enough black gm's or owners" thing. Yeah, I have a feeling I know where you were coming from.
As for what DC said, you wanna celebrate your "heritage"? I would bet your heritage is 95% "American", not African.
I get sick and tired of people saying "I'm african american, and I'm going to celebrate my heritage" when they don't have a damn clue what that means, or what their heritage really, TRULY is.
Contrary to you, I would prefer we celebrate American heritage. See, this isn't the 1800's anymore.....none of us came over on a boat to start a new life....we were all born here (aside from the legal immigrants, and the illegals).
Celebrate the "black"ness? What the hell? Your heritage is here. I can't help it if you don't like it, but that's the way it is. Wanna celebrate other cultures? Great. I have no problem with that. But remember, you started the thread, and you started it with the "black coaches in the superbowl" thing, and you kept it going with the "someday............owners and gm's" thing......
And, regardless of DC's answer, I'd like to hear from you.....exactly what is different between a black and a white? What are you wanting to celebrate? If you choose to answer "nothing but black pride", I can accept that, however, in your previous posts (yes, I've read the whole thread) you have alluded to something more.....What is that? What, in your opinion, is the difference betwee black and white people?
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Perhaps you forget, YOU, not me, made a to doo out of the "2 black coaches in the superbowl" thing. You, not me, made a to doo out of the "aren't enough black gm's or owners" thing. Yeah, I have a feeling I know where you were coming from.
A to doo? So in your eyes 2 black coaches coaching in the superbowl is no big deal? because you don't see their skin..you see 2 good HCs who deserve to be in the SB? is that it? according to you they should not be proud nor should anyone else who fought for civil rights back in the day when things were ugly....lets just forget that ever took place...it was like what? few hundered years ago? no wait it was just 50 years ago....if YOU won't remember the signifance of what took place then how do u expect anyone else down the road to remember? maybe for you it was a UGLY period..but for some it actually does mean something...why must u insist that these people not celebrate how far they have come? who are YOU to say they cannot?? If they think they should?......you keep making this like it's really trivial....but it's NOT...it shouldn't be...it's not bigger than the superbowl..but outside of football it's a great thing...
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I get sick and tired of people saying "I'm african american, and I'm going to celebrate my heritage" when they don't have a damn clue what that means, or what their heritage really, TRULY is.
And that is exactly the thing that i fear...people not knowing who they are and why they believe in things they do...All the more reason for them to remember where they came from....in this day and age it's really easy to forget who you are and where you came from...(i can see your reply now...you were born in america you are an american) I beg to differ...while we all maybe americans we are also more than just americans....i.e African American, Mexican American, Indian American...etc..
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Contrary to you, I would prefer we celebrate American heritage. See, this isn't the 1800's anymore.....none of us came over on a boat to start a new life....we were all born here (aside from the legal immigrants, and the illegals).
I was NOT born here....whcich maybe why i feel so strongly about this subject....i never even thought about this stuff till i took some classes in college that opened my eyes...it truly saved me from what i think would have been the biggest mistake of my life....i came here when i was young and i don't know half the things my parents do...and part of me wants to just say ah who cares i'm here now i'll live this life...but then the other part feels guilty of letting go of what i am....it's hard to describe in words as to what exactly i mean when i say "who i am/was" when it's this hard
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Celebrate the "black"ness? What the hell? Your heritage is here. I can't help it if you don't like it, but that's the way it is. Wanna celebrate other cultures? Great. I have no problem with that. But remember, you started the thread, and you started it with the "black coaches in the superbowl" thing, and you kept it going with the "someday............owners and gm's" thing......
I never said thoes words...and i must have mentioned the NFL stuff in maybe 3 or 4 posts out of the 20 or so i've made in this thread....that wasn't even the main topic of the discussion so far....another reason i think you haven't read everything...but i don't blame you it's too much to read...
You can't help it if i don't like it? lol i didn't call you out man...you are the one who seems all edgy about this...tell me this ...why do you feel so strongly against them talking about their skin color? don't give me the "we are all americans...we are all same on the inside crap" that is all i hear from pretty much everyone on here.....makes me laugh that they cannot see outside that...
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And, regardless of DC's answer, I'd like to hear from you.....exactly what is different between a black and a white? What are you wanting to celebrate? If you choose to answer "nothing but black pride", I can accept that, however, in your previous posts (yes, I've read the whole thread) you have alluded to something more.....What is that? What, in your opinion, is the difference betwee black and white people?
Let me ask you this....why are you so scared of diversity? do you want everyone to assimilate and be alike? is that it? because that is exactly whats wrong with America right now.....at the risk of offending you....people who share your views are NOT helping...
You want to know what i think we should celebrate? well first of all i'm not african american/black....i'm brown...indian to be exact...so i cannot give you specfics on what african americans might want to celebrate...but i can tell you what I want to celebrate...r u ready? because you won't understand a word of it...
Diwali....rakshabandhan....uttrayan....holi.....do u know what these are? no? They are festivals..yes it's just that simple...I want to celebrate being different because the alternative is be like everybody else and be fake...is that who you want me to be? someone i'm not? .....there are lot of things that cannot be put into words....i'm sorry to say this but you gotta open your mind bro...things aren't always black or white(no pun intended)...there is a lot of gray area to this...like DC pointed out...and PIT they had some good points that made me wonder....
DC said thoes things ppl celebrate cause others to be more bias towards them and form sterotypes.....so does that mean we stop doing thoes things and become according to you "I would prefer we celebrate American heritage." do that instead? you want them to give up who they are?
You better believe my kids will learn things i know....and i will make sure they realize they aren't just american...but they are indian american....
Holy crap this is long....sorry i got carried away..hope it makes SOME sense
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One more thing i wanted to add is...
People might be so afraid of talking about SKIN color because so far it's been associated with all the negative things....like DC mentioned...
It brings about a bias in people or stereotype..it makes you think wow i can't think he is black/white/brown i'm not a racist.....well you aren't in my opnion...as long as you don't judge the person entirely on their skin color you aren't racist...
It's what it causes(i.e stereotypes prejeduice bias) that we need to destroy...not stop ignoring the skin color...
There aren't many things left in this day and age that reminds a person to stay true to who they are...so why take away another?(skin color)...i'm not saying if someone who is of african american decent calls themselves just american and not african american it's wrong...it's their choice...but if the same person wants to show pride in their roots who are we to say they can't? so they might not know why anymore...that is another issue...almost EVERYONE will be like that in the future if we continue to pretend we are all the same....
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Good morning Shotty I am part German and part Indian. What holidays and customes should I be celebrating
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I expected these exact replies....i'm not trying to change your minds...just putting it out there.....
Once again...everyone has their own views on the topic...i put mine out...i know lama agrees with what i have to say...
Yes, I do agree with the fact that race is a factor in the NFL just as as it is in this country whether people want to play color blind or not. I agree race/ethnicity SHOULDN'T matter but the cold hard fact is that it DOES to many people and is part of the fabric of our society. Do I consciously base my judgements on the color of a person's skin? No,but I'm constantly vigilant for the subliminal messages that have been part of my life as a citizen of this society.
I also agree that differences need to be shared and celebrated. Through this we are more likely to learn about the things we have in common and gain a better understanding.
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I just hope you guys know there are 2 schools of thought here...there are LOT of people who believe we should celebrate our differences rather than ignore them...
Yep, this does create a paradox doesn't it..... You can't have every ethnic group celebrating what makes them different without other ethnic groups noticing those differences and some people using it against them.... In a perfect world we could all accept those differences but not let it influence our opinions... but in the world of human beings it doesn't work that way..... maybe we could try to live "seperate but equal"... that worked so well the last time we tried it...
So since the world isn't perfect and ignorant people are going to take our celebration the wrong way we shouldn't do it? We should cater to the lowest common denominator and hide from our differences and pretend they don't exist which then allows these same people to use them against us but covertly? We shouldn't try at all to do what we feel is right and hope to attract that energy and create more of that and less of the other? We should just throw our hands up and say it's always been this way so why try? That's not for me. I'm trying to make the world a better place the only way I know how by working at being a better person. I'm not content to chalk everything up to the fact that I'm human so I can't do better. The only person I can control is me.
As for separate but equal or assimilation how about the middle path? That's where Malcolm and Martin were headed even though they started from opposite sides. Each was coming to see it can't be all one way or the other it takes balance as all things do.
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Ok...
After two pages of arguements....
Lets just look at the numbers...
From the 2005 Census:
White persons 80.2%
Black persons 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons 1.0%
Asian persons 4.3%
Now accourding to theses numbers there are way to many black players in the NFL, several to many black coaches in the NFL, black GM's are right on.
African americans should be happy they have met or exceded their quota by the numbers in the NFL.
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Can't aurgue with the numbers I see. 
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NCAA's hiring pales next to NFL's
Minority advocates point to Super coaches in pressing colleges
By Steve Wieberg
USA TODAY
The Super Bowl's causes celebres are college football's caveats.
At the same time they're being hailed as symbols of NFL enlightenment, Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith — the first black head coaches to reach the Super Bowl — are held up by minority advocates as very visible reminders of college football's less progressive hiring history.
Seven of 119 head coaches in the NCAA's Division I-A are minorities, compared with six of 32 (down from seven at the start of the regular season) in the NFL.
"If presidents and athletic directors aren't taking note of this, then we've got an even greater problem than we think we do," Black Coaches Association executive director Floyd Keith said as Dungy and Smith readied the Indianapolis Colts and Chicago Bears for Sunday's championship game in Miami. "You look at the landscape of college football in comparison with where the NFL is … and you have to acknowledge they're a football field ahead of the NCAA."
NCAA President Myles Brand has been outspoken about what he calls the "inexcusable" lag in minority hiring by major college programs. He rejects suggestions, however, that the colleges should adopt their own version of the NFL's Rooney Rule, requiring schools to include minorities in their search pools under threat of fines or other penalties. The NCAA shouldn't infringe on institutional autonomy, he says.
Still, years of rhetoric have yielded little progress. Keith said he recommended Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin to three schools recently searching for coaches.
"I don't think he was ever contacted," Keith said.
Tomlin, a former college assistant at Virginia Military, Memphis, Tennessee-Martin, Arkansas State and Cincinnati, was named the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach last week.
Keith and others continue to raise the possibility of legal action against schools under Title VII, part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits intentional employment discrimination and practices that have the effect of discriminating on the basis of race, religion, sex or national origin.
"I'd sue," said Dan Boggan, former NCAA senior vice president and CEO and now chief of staff to new Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums. "If you can't change it by persuasion, the only thing that's left is to take on each of these places legally."
Boggan is hopeful, he said, that schools inspired by Dungy's and Smith's success will move before the threat is carried out. "I think what happened in the NFL is almost providential," he said.
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are you seriously telling me what you just said? You want to get on national TV and tell everyone that there should be no more black coaches in the NFL because accordoing to #s there are enough? Why do you guys make such dumb comments? what point are you trying to get across? cuz all i got from that is that you aren't thinking with your head...and dare i say being ignroant?
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You want to get on national TV and tell everyone that there should be no more black coaches in the NFL because accordoing to #s there are enough?
Why do you guys make such dumb comments? what point are you trying to get across? cuz all i got from that is that you aren't thinking with your head...and dare i say being ignroant?
The whole reason most folks say there "should be" more is because based on the number of black players, there aren't enough..... so it appears to me that if you think HIS argument is dumb, then you must think THEIRS is equally dumb.
And I believe THAT is the point he is trying to get across...
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I'll just say this: According to the article you started this whole thread with, race is an issue, at least from that authors point of view - not mine.
The author threw out the statistics of black head coaches.
The author makes mention that "....Dungy and Smith should be applauded for not downplayign..." the black head coach thing.
I would say that Dungy and Smith have not down played it, nor have they UP played it, which is as it should be, in my opinion. The press has made a huge deal out of it, and consequently, that's what we hear about.
Call me crazy, but I just don't see how this is such a big deal. Yeah, it's great it happened. It was going to happen sometime. Now keep in mind, I would not have known this was the first super bowl to be played under a black head coach had the media not told me.
Also, keep in mind, I don't give a rats ass what color the coach is, I really don't. See, call me a simpleton or whatever, the race of the coach, or any player, has no effect on me whatsoever. I just don't care - 2 white coaches, 2 black, 2 hispanic, 2 asian, or any mix of them,,,,,,,I Don't care.
If some want to celebrate this as a breakthrough, or whatever, great. In my opinion, that just means that race is first and foremost in their minds.
Believe it or not, there are a few white people out here (I"m one) that don't care what race someone is.
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You want to get on national TV and tell everyone that there should be no more black coaches in the NFL because accordoing to #s there are enough?
Why do you guys make such dumb comments? what point are you trying to get across? cuz all i got from that is that you aren't thinking with your head...and dare i say being ignroant?
Get a news crew!
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The whole reason most folks say there "should be" more is because based on the number of black players, there aren't enough..... so it appears to me that if you think HIS argument is dumb, then you must think THEIRS is equally dumb.
I think he says my arguement is dumb and theirs is not because, he believes that minorities should have MORE opportunities than whites. Not fitting the ratio of white to black. What he is saying is 20% black population should equate to 50+% of the positions, and if he thinks that way about the NFL then he must feel the same as for all job opportinities nation wide.
The way I see it.... if the population is 80% white and 20% black, employment should roughly match that. If the population was 50/50, then employment should match that....pretty easy math.
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And I believe THAT is the point he is trying to get across...
And he calls me ignorant.
So since he couldn't comprehend it the 1st time...
Ok...
After two pages of arguements....
Lets just look at the numbers...
From the 2005 Census:
White persons 80.2%
Black persons 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons 1.0%
Asian persons 4.3%
Now accourding to theses numbers there are way to many black players in the NFL, several to many black coaches in the NFL, black GM's are right on.
African americans should be happy they have met or exceded their quota by the numbers in the NFL.
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The author makes mention that "....Dungy and Smith should be applauded for not downplayign..." the black head coach thing.
I would say that Dungy and Smith have not down played it, nor have they UP played it, which is as it should be, in my opinion. The press has made a huge deal out of it, and consequently, that's what we hear about.
There...you have said it.....this is all i wanted to get across with the thread....because all i heard was "whats the big deal if there are 2 black coaches in the superbowl?" well it is a big deal....just not as big as the superbowl.....
And another thing that made me make this thread was the whole color blind thing...
I don't care if there are 5 african american coaches in the NFL or 30.....all i was saying is that this is a great feat for everybody...not just african americans....we have come a long ways....that was the whole point..
My main point of this thread was NOT the superbowl and african american coaches...but how i was tired of hearing mojority of the pople saying the same thing over and over and over....
"wow i had no idea they wrere black...why did the media have to bring it up? i'm color blind" i'm not going to get into this more because that is what the 2 pages of posts are about....
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I would not have known this was the first super bowl to be played under a black head coach had the media not told me.
Another reason for the Media to make it a big deal...beasue for most people it isn't...and it SHOULD Be........how about this lets stop calling it "a big deal" and start calling it "something to be proud about" "a small testimate to fight for equality paying off" is that better?
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Believe it or not, there are a few white people out here (I"m one) that don't care what race someone is.
Thats your choice....but i just wanted you to know that there are some minorities(like me) who care...and sometimes it's offensive for some people if you ignore their skin color/ race....
It's an acutal issue believe it or not....(i'm not just talking for myself...)
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