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Bucks waive defensive stalwart Bowen Defensive stalwart Bruce Bowen has been released by the Milwaukee Bucks and will be an unrestricted free agent next week if he clears waivers. The Bucks announced the move Friday night after their monthlong attempts to trade him -- including talks this week with the Denver Nuggets -- did not result in a deal. Bowen's full $4 million salary for next season would have been guaranteed if he was not released by Aug. 1. The Bucks will save half that amount by waiving Bowen and paying him the required $2 million buyout stipulated in Bowen's contract. Bowen, 38, joined the Spurs in the summer of 2001 and was part of three championship teams (2003, '05 and '07) in his eight seasons in San Antonio. It's believed that a return to the Spurs in free agency is highly unlikely but contenders such as Orlando, Cleveland and Boston have been mentioned as potential suitors for Bowen. The Bucks have tried all month to trade the veteran stopper since acquiring him from San Antonio on June 23 as part of a three-team trade that sent Richard Jefferson to the Spurs and also netted Kurt Thomas from San Antonio and Amir Johnson from Detroit. Fabricio Oberto went from the Spurs to the Pistons to complete the trade. It was understood from the start that Milwaukee would waive Bowen if it could not utilize him in a trade in July. Via his Twitter account Friday night, Bowen wrote: "Just got off the plane [and] got word that I will not be in Milwaukee for Christmas!" Bowen was one of five NBA players waived Friday, joining Boston guard Gabe Pruitt, Los Angeles Clippers guard Mike Taylor, Los Angeles Lakers swingman Sun Yue and fellow Buck Salim Stoudamire. All five players will be unrestricted free agents if they are not claimed by another team before 6 p.m. ET next Friday.
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would you rather have bowen, who's 38 but can probably still play a little bit (esp in a bench role) or take the chance with powe? you know what you're getting with bowen, with powe, you have a high risk/high reward.
at this point, i think i would take a chance with powe.
we could survive until january without him. and hopefully just slowly phase him in. could be a key piece in the playoffs.
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I think for Defensive purposes, I like the idea of Bowen better than Powe. Here's why. Bowen is a terrific perimeter defenender even though he is quite old. But defensively, if we just need STOPS and to hold a lead, how about THIS defensive lineup... Delonte at the 1 (perfect size and ability to lock down a PG) Bowen smothering the SG at the 2, then the 3 would depend on whatever is going on with the other teams PF. If it's the Magic with Rashard Lewis or Lakers with Odom at the 4, you put Parker at the 3 to guard someone like Pietrus and LBJ on Lewis/Odom, with Shaq on Howard/Bynum/Gasol to round out the 5 spot. However if we're playing the Lakers, Spurs, or the Celtics and they're going big and have Gasol/Bynum-McDyess/Duncan-Garnet/Perkins/Sheed at the 4/5, then we have 1,2,3,4,5... West, Bowen, Lebron, Andy on the more mobile big, and Shaq on the slower big.
Bowen just gives us more defensive versatility I feel. I mean we have Moon as it is who can possibly play a stretch 3/4, along with Andy and you never know if Hickson breaks out, and possibly we can make room for Joe Smith again at the 4 later in the year. I think we have enough going on right now for the bigs. Signing Bowen for the perimeter just would make us too much better defensively and I feel we could win a title with that.
The injury concerns and the logjam I see in the frontcourt just make me say pass on Powe, although I acknowledge when healthy he can be a STUD.
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The injury concerns and the logjam I see in the frontcourt just make me say pass on Powe, although I acknowledge when healthy he can be a STUD.
Err ... the logjam? Z, Shaq and Andy isn't really a logjam.
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For those that are interested, schedule is out.. As expected, Christmas in LA... http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/schedule/
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As expected, Christmas in LA...
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/schedule/
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I think that's on par with last year ... where every third game was on TV. Almost makes no sense to get NBA Ticket since most games will be on anyway.
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I think that's on par with last year ... where every third game was on TV. Almost makes no sense to get NBA Ticket since most games will be on anyway.
that ane the league pass is 200 bucks.
i used to get it, but seems every year the cavs national games go up. 29 is an all time high, i think it was 24 or 25 last year.
i really wish they'd fix these package deals where u can just pay for a team, or go game by game...
the cavs package could be on serious discount because it'd only be like 60 games.
with the economy, and even without it, i think they'd make more money.
same reason why i didn't get the browns, they had almost half of their games on national tv.
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They had the max games allowed on national tv last year, and Im pretty sure the year before, so unless they raised the max, its the same.
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I agree. They would make a lot more money. If I could do that for my team only, I'd go ahead and get the Red Sox, Browns, Cavs, and UK basketball.
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i think there is a max on espn/abc/tnt games, but the nbatv games probably don't exactly count as national games. although in the count of 29 they do. not everyone has nbatv in their packages.
i'm almost positive it was 24 last year and 29 this year.
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National TV games by team:
Atlanta: 7 (6 ESPN, 1 TNT)
Boston: 24 (10 ESPN, 8 TNT, 6 ABC)
Charlotte: 0
Chicago: 13 (9 TNT, 4 ESPN)
Cleveland: 25 (10 TNT, 10 ESPN, 5 ABC)
Dallas: 11 (4 TNT, 9 ESPN)
Denver: 22 (10 TNT, 9 ESPN, 3 ABC)
Detroit: 4 (4 ESPN)
Golden State: 8 (2 TNT, 6 ESPN)
Houston: 0
Indiana: 1 (1 ESPN)
LA Clippers: 8 (3 TNT, 5 ESPN)
LA Lakers: 24 (9 TNT, 9 ESPN, 6 ABC)
Memphis: 1 (1 TNT)
Miami: 14 (7 TNT, 7 ESPN)
Milwaukee: 0
Minnesota: 1 (1 ESPN)
New Jersey: 0
New Orleans: 9 (3 TNT, 6 ESPN)
New York: 5 (5 ESPN)
Oklahoma City: 1 (1 ESPN)
Orlando: 24 (10 TNT, 9 ESPN, 5 ABC)
Philadelphia: 2 (1 TNT, 1 ESPN)
Phoenix: 18 (7 TNT, 10 ESPN, 1 ABC)
Portland: 17 (6 TNT, 10 ESPN, 1 ABC)
Sacramento: 0
San Antonio: 20 (7 TNT, 10 ESPN, 3 ABC)
Toronto: 0??
Utah: 13 (5 TNT, 8 ESPN)
Washington: 8 (1 TNT, 7 ESPN)
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how do the rockets and nets have 0?
and then the clippers have 8 (contrary to the nets issue), phoenix has 18?? and golden state has 8?
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The Rockets will be horrible this year without Yao and Artest. Also Mcgrady is always injury plagued. New Jersey is not very good so that's no surprise to me.
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Nets have no name players and are completely rebuilding...it is somewhat understandable.
Rockets are in the #5 TV market...took the Lakers to 7 even with Yao going down...still have a good following in China because of Yao (even if he is just waiving a towel) and have one of the more interesting FO in the NBA (putting together a combo of players that really seem to work well with each other).
I cannot believe Houston didn't get a national televised game.
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cavs have the most. hm. guess you really can't get that exposure unless you play in new york city.
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Shocking, must be trying to market him to the NY fans so they know who he is for next season...
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and then the clippers have 8 (contrary to the nets issue), phoenix has 18?? and golden state has 8?
The Clippers have some because of Blake Griffin, but I'm surprised they got 8. Maybe they're late games and just need to fill a time slot...
Suns and Warriors usually get games because they score a lot of points, plus the same thing as the Clippers with the late games...
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and then the clippers have 8 (contrary to the nets issue), phoenix has 18?? and golden state has 8?
The Clippers have some because of Blake Griffin, but I'm surprised they got 8. Maybe they're late games and just need to fill a time slot...
Suns and Warriors usually get games because they score a lot of points, plus the same thing as the Clippers with the late games...
maybe i read bill simmons too much, but if the clips ever got rid of dunleavy, they' actually be a pretty decent squad.
in today's world of now, now, now, i'm flabbergasted that he hasn't been canned. the guy is horrible.
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sterling is too cheap to fire dunleavy with more than a year remaining on his contract....
plus, he's willing to do the GM and coach job for one salary while taking a big portion of the blame for the teams struggles when many can be pointed straight up to Sterling
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oh, and the Clippers are most scary because they have a good young corps:
Gordon, Griffin, Jordan
A couple savvy vets: Kaman, Baron
but most importantly, they will be one of the few teams significantly under the cap next offseason even if the cap drops to $50mill as projected.
So, theoretically, they could add a major piece and become an instant contender......however, Sterling most likely will want to save that cash to resign his young guys and keep making big profits (obviously that changes if he can convince LeBron or Wade since they would bring in even larger profits....but I doubt he could convince either)
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Ironically he sure didn't play like he had ANY testosterone in the Finals against LAL. He was a total no show that series and an overpaid cheater... this really iritates me.
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lebron has spoken out about some of the issues this summer. on the crawford dunk: Quote:
"I never told anyone to confiscate any tapes. Nike has a no videotape policy at pick-up games. They've always done that. Now that LeBron is involved, it's blown up. It's a play that happens in basketball all the time. You can go on YouTube and see me being dunked on by a lot of guys. I like to call myself a shot blocker and [getting dunked on] tends to happen. Jordan Crawford is going to be a good basketball player ..."
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"I wouldn't have done it the same. I would have done the media. Looking back on it, without you guys, there's no LeBron James, D-Wade, Tiger Woods or no Peyton Manning. If I could have started over again, I would have done the media. As I thought about it I could see why people were talking about because your job starts when mine ends.
"But as far as the dunk or whatever car I'm driving, some things you shouldn't comment and some things you should. I look at the no handshake like this — during the regular season, no one ever shakes hands. You move on to the next game. I congratulated Dwight Howard(notes) through email and told him good luck in the Finals. Shaking hands is not a big deal to me. It's not being a sore loser, it’s moving on. Sometimes people want you to accept losing and I'll never accept losing."
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"Wow, anytime you can get a guy like that. I was asked [by management if I] would you like him to be a part of this team and I said, 'Of course. I've never had a low-post presence since I've been in the league. I'd love it.'
"I can defer to a teammate. If Shaq is going, I'm OK. I know one thing that's going to happen; you can't check Shaq one-on-one. I can use some of my athleticism when a double team comes and slash to the rim. He's a very good passer so he'll just throw it at the rim and I'll go get it. This will benefit 'Z' [Zydrunas Ilgauskas(notes)] because he can go against second-tier guys. Shaq will be very big for us. I can be more of a threat. No matter if I catch it I can spot up and I'll still have a live dribble. I don't have to settle for taking a shot. Instead of dribbling the ball up where guys can pressure me. If I'm catching the ball out of double teams from Shaq, I can become a shooter. Now I can drive."
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don't let espn hear about that last one.
Want to hear their take on the interview. Its comical.
LeBron hints he'll explore free agency
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AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James is unlikely to accept a contract extension from the Cleveland Cavaliers until after the 2009-10 season, when he can become a free agent.
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At an event to unveil his latest signature sneaker for Nike, James, who has given no indication he plans to leave the Cavs, made his strongest comments yet about his future. The NBA's reigning MVP said he signed a three-year contract in 2006 with an option so he would have more flexibility once it expires.
"I signed a contract in 2006 with an option," he said. "It would make no sense for me to sign that contract if I didn't keep my options open. I'll let you fill in the blanks."
The Cavaliers offered James a contract extension last month. The 24-year-old said his agent, Leon Rose, and Cavs general manager Danny Ferry have had "a great conversation."
James doesn't expect his future to be a distraction for the Cavs, who acquired All-Star center Shaquille O'Neal this offseason.
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How is that a warped sense of reporting?
I didnt click the link, but just from what you posted, I dont see where they(espn) is acting like he is leaving.
Sounds like a warped sense of interpretation on your part.
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Probably the headline "James Unlikely To Sign Contract Extension" when his words were "I hope so" when asked about staying with the Cavs.
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How is that a warped sense of reporting?
I didnt click the link, but just from what you posted, I dont see where they(espn) is acting like he is leaving.
Sounds like a warped sense of interpretation on your part.
it is kind of comical they left out the "i hope so" comment, when the initial question was about staying in cleveland.
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Probably the headline "James Unlikely To Sign Contract Extension" when his words were "I hope so" when asked about staying with the Cavs.
He said "I hope so" in regards to staying in Cleveland, not "I hope so" in regards to signing the extension this summer.
The headline is that he is likely to "explore his options" which it what it sounds like he said to me. The article even said he hasnt given any indication that he will leave.
Some of you are just as bad as the guys who act like he is already gone, but I guess you will read what you want to read.
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AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James is unlikely to accept a contract extension from the Cleveland Cavaliers until after the 2009-10 season, when he can become a free agent.
How is this warped reporting when he said this?
""I signed a contract in 2006 with an option," he said. "It would make no sense for me to sign that contract if I didn't keep my options open. I'll let you fill in the blanks."
They arent saying he will never sign in Cleveland, or that he is gone, it just says he is unlikely to sign this summer, big deal...
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How is that a warped sense of reporting?
The full quote from Lebron James has two statements, however there appears to be creative editing on either the first link or espns part as the quotes do not match up 100%”
1. Lebron states that he hopes that he will be back with the cavs if things work out.
2. lebron states that Three years ago he signed a contract to give him options.
There are three articles that can be written based upon this quote.
a. A journalist could use the full quote and point out that lebron would like to stay in cleveland but is leaving his option open.
b. A journalist could use only fact 1 and write a piece on how lebron wants to be a cav.
c. A journalist could use only fact 2 and state that lebron wants to leave.
All three of these approaches could create a newsworthy headline. Only option A would be the truth. Options B and C would be written by conveniently editing Lebrons words to say what the journalist wanted it to say. It would be true, but only partially
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I didn’t click the link, but just from what you posted, I dont see where they(espn) is acting like he is leaving.
I would agree, but they are also not reporting that he wants to stay as the first part of the quote states.
Espn is only reporting the news on Lebron that hints that he is leaving, and not that he is interested in staying as well. It is clear that ESPN believes that Lebron Leaving is a news story that will make them more money than lebron staying. Therefore they seem to be consciously emphasize his leaving and ignoring the reports that hint that he wants to stay.
What they are reporting is true, but it is not the whole truth. It is manipulating the quotes to fit your predetermined view point instead of analyzing the reality of the situation.
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Sounds like a warped sense of interpretation on your part.
It all depends on what type of Journalistic Integrity you expect out of your news sources?
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That's because when you watch the footage of LBJ is the presser, and continued with his last statement made on ESPN sunday conversation where he said he doesn't understand where the NY talk is coming from as the Cavs are a good team and are doing everything under its ability to improve. This is ESPN hoping he doesnt resign so they have a story to talk about. ESPN loves drama and manufactures stories to report on. ESPN = Dramaqueen
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Espn is only reporting the news on Lebron that hints that he is leaving,
I guess I dont see where they are hinting he is leaving.
I see where they say he is unlikely to sign this summer, which I agreee with.
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"I signed a contract in 2006 with an option," he said. "It would make no sense for me to sign that contract if I didn't keep my options open. I'll let you fill in the blanks."
that's about as clear of a statement as you'll get from him. he's not dodging the question, or trying to beat around the bush.
he signed the deal so that he can do what he wants in 2010.
and i think he likes that there is added pressure on the front office to do everything they can, make every move they can to better the team. to work tirelessly.
if lbj signed before the shaq moves, and the parker and moon signings, who knows if those moves even get made. there isn't as much motivation to get things done as there is knowing your entire franchise could walk out the door.
i personally am leaning towards him not leaving, and signing at least a 3 year extenstion.
you look at the situations of some of the other star players, and they aren't better. wade and bosh's situations aren't anywhere near being better.
look at the new york knicks. they are still a disaster. their coach is a disaster. i think it would be highly unlikely for lbj to go there and go through at least a 3 year phase of struggling within the eastern conference.
for a guy who's on the verge of entering his prime. very doubtful.
i think dan gilbert, and danny ferry have done almost everything possible to make the cavs an upper echelon franchise. and they are. they are a top 3, top 4 franchise right now. not over the last 50 years, right now.
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What they are reporting is true, but it is not the whole truth. It is manipulating the quotes to fit your predetermined view point instead of analyzing the reality of the situation.
Exactly. I never said it was factually inaccurate. Its just half-truths.
Pretty sure this says "Unlikely To Accept Contract Extension".
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I think we have established that Adam, they are referring to accepting it this summer, they say unlikely to accept until AFTER the 09-10 season. It says that in the first few lines.
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and we've known he wasn't going to sign for quite some time, well over a year. windy has said that for well over a year.
and it has nothing to do with the cavs not being good enough or cleveland not being a giant market. it has zero to do with it.
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