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If they determine DA is the QB I will support him, but I think he should change his name and jersey number then, and everyone would think we brought in someone new. 
he should change his name to "Browns Backup QB" He will get a ton of support and people will always cheer for him.
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I have to say that it would be very difficult to keep from laughing as Rogers runs his laps. I do like, though, that Mangini is still making him do it. Even if Rogers is dogging it (which I don't like), you know he has to still hate every second of it, and it sends a message that no one player is above the rules.
And we've been reading a lot of glowing praise for DQ. That's how you go about getting a big contract extension.
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August 5 9:55 ET Browns glacier-sized Pro Bowl NT Shaun Rogers is taking another "punishment lap" that can be timed with a calendar.
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"i said he had gotten more accurate through season. now we're finding that he's making great, ACCURATE throws (thanks, DT). people here said he was inaccurate and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. if he was inaccurate, it wouldn't matter if it was in practice or game time. he'd be inaccurate, especially with the short throws that everyone is convinced he can't make."
Not to make this a QB thread but I bet it has already...lol 
I have been steadfast in my observations with DA. Actually I've always maintained that he is very accurate - in his Comfort Zone. And what is that Zone. Dropping back in the pocket and stepping up into it. No doubt in my mind he's over 60% in that zone. And this is where my comments about his "SIREN" abilities in practice are based on. He's wearing a Red Jersey (don't know what we use - Orange?) which means nobody hits him - LAY OFF!! He is rarely knocked off his comfort zone in practice. But we know all too well that come game time. GOOD DEFENSES are able to move him out of his COMFORT ZONE and if that means one step to laterally in my observations DA is around 30% once he takes that one step laterally. And this is why you cannot base this COMPETITION...on Sweet practice play! If so DA will win the competition cause I think he is the better QB in a "COMFORT ZONE" But more than 50% of the time QBs are forced out of their comfort zone and this is where BQ holds a Big, big advantage. And against GOOD TEAMs who invariably have GOOD Defenses...the comfort zone breakdown is increased! We need to beat GOOD TEAMS - DA has failed to do this. The Giant game is the exception but if you look at that game the Credit has to go to the OL...cause rarely was DA knocked out of his comfort zone.
Now if you tell me we built an OL that can keep DA in the comfort zone 90% of the time and 75% when we play great Defenses...Then and only then will DA be a WINNER.
These are my obersvations....I have nothing against DA - I have no reason to Like BQ other than what he is. I high prospect QB. DA has been DA...in 07 we were able to keep him in the comfort zone cause we faced a plethra of weak Defenses.
I am pretty accurate in my observations. I know what I see and this is my basic pet peeve of why I fear DA as our QB.
Pool: I know I haven't heard anything about Pool except that he got reamed by the coaches for playing too soft (off the WR) in drills.
I have also read where Adams has been impressive in his coverage. This again does not surprise me. Adams a Safety actually was our Nickel Back in 08 until the injury to Sean Jones moved him as a starter and Cousins took over the Nickel Position.
Nothing will surprise me...I'm very optimistic with Pool cause I've seen his talent and I've seen him Improve steadily. What I do not know is if he is Dumb as a Door knob or GETS IT??? This I cannot evaluate. This is the variable that will determine his existence with our team and M/K!!!
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August 5 9:55 ET Browns glacier-sized Pro Bowl NT Shaun Rogers is taking another "punishment lap" that can be timed with a calendar.
I remember Bernie had about a 20 yd scramble in a game and the announcer was saying april, may ,june Bernie runs for 20 yds do you believe...
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Think he's finished yet?
I'm not sure he's even done with his first lap yet.
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Quinn is baffling me more and more. He must have some talent, because his college career was very good. His first game last year he looked very poised and in control. His knock is arm strength, yet he has hit a reciever in stride throwing at least fifty yards in practice.
I saw him play in HS, he threw plenty of accurate bombs. Unless i'm wrong, the 100 yrd fields are approx. 100 yards in the pros as well...i dont get why this myth-and it is a myth-he won games that way at ND too-persists. Maybe b/c he hasnt gotten much actual PT?
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Well, I will say this. Isn't the ball different in HS - College - Pros? I have no idea if that would factor in at all, but just thought I'd throw it out there.
Oh, and speaking of training camp, I believe Shaun Rogers is 1/4 of the way done with the first 1/2 of his first lap.
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I'm not sure he's even done with his first lap yet.
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That's what I meant.
Well, I suppose in that case, no, probably not. 
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Think he's finished yet?
Well, if he was allowed to stop for a drink of water half-way through (it IS warm out there, afterall), I doubt it.
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Aug 5th, 2009 @ 11:36 am by Steve Doerschuk
We don’t and won’t know iof Braylon Edwards and Eric Mangini made it a point to do this with the media standing 40 feet away, but …
After this morning’s practice, in which Edwards finally was in the action, the wideout and the head coach walked alone toward the locker room, talking side by side. At one point Mangini put his arm around Edwards’ waist and made a point. As Mangini withdrew the arm, Edwards made a gentle gesture with his right hand as he said something in reply.
In his post-practice remarks, Edwards basically said he loves Mangini. His remarks indicated he had much more confidence in the new regime’s ability to mount an offense than he did in last year’s.
The big key, he said, will adjustments in general and halftime adjustments in particular. This goes to the theory that the Browns have a chance to win this year because the talent is there and the scheming will be better.
Bottom line on Edwards: It doesn’t appear he will be a distraction. He looks ready to play, and made the catch of the morning, picking the ball off a defensive back’s helmet for a TD. He seems smart enough to understand, at minimum, that migrating to a mindset that will help the team is good business for himself.
Another thing: Our impression is that Mangini learned a lot in New York about how to relate to assorted personalities as a boss.
Aside from the public comments and behavior toward each other, my sense is they have made a connection.
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whether edwards and mangini really like each other, we'll find out in the future but i love reading that it appears mangini has learned a bit about being the boss. if this is true, it validates lerner's quick hiring of him. more news, particularly about edwards: Quote:
BEREA, Ohio -- Observations from Wednesday's morning practice at Browns training camp ...
Joshua Gunter | The Plain Dealer
Braylon Edwards, seen here on August 1, returned to practice today during the morning session of Browns training camp.• Braylon Edwards wasn't rusty in his first practice after sitting out all of training camp and the June minicamp with a non-football injury believed to be to an ankle. Edwards made the catch of the morning on a 5-on-7 drill. He soared over cornerback Gerard Lawson and peeled the ball off Lawson's helmet on a lob throw from Derek Anderson in the left corner of the end zone. "That play kind of reminds me why I'm here," he said afterward. Edwards was happy and chatty in his interview and dismissed any notion that his time away was a form of discipline by coach Eric Mangini. "Just the opposite," Edwards said. "In fact, I thought he was taking care of me (by being cautious)." After his interview session, Edwards spotted Mangini leaving a line of autograph-seekers and they walked off together talking.
• A very physical goal-line drill featured live tackling. When the first teams squared off, the defense stuffed Jamal Lewis short of the end zone on consecutive plays. Linebacker Eric Barton took him down from the backside on the second one with Shaun Rogers also in pursuit. The No. 1 offense resorted to a pass to score on the third play. Brady Quinn faked to Lewis and lofted the ball to fullback Lawrence Vickers in the end zone. In the matchup of second teams, Derek Anderson scored on his first play with a bootleg run after a play-fake. On second down, running back James Davis was stopped by linebacker Marcus Benard, end Louis Leonard and safety Hamza Abdullah. Linebacker Kamerion Wimbley actually lined up as an eligible tight end on that play. Anderson was touch-sacked on the third play by end Corey Williams after a play-fake and rollout left.
• Talked to second-year linebacker Alex Hall after the session. He feels so much more comfortable in his second camp. He said he's about five pounds heavier and much stronger after going through the team's offseason weight program. Hall changed to jersey No. 51 because linebacker David Bowens asked for his No. 96 upon joining the Browns in the offseason.
• Cornerback Don Carey (shoulder) and fullback Charles Ali (undisclosed) were the only players not to practice. Running back Jerome Harrison appeared bothered with a foot or leg problem and jogged on his own between drills to stretch out his muscles.
• Brady Quinn was intercepted when his pass for Mohamed Massaquoi into the end zone deflected off Massaquoi's stomach as his knees were hitting the ground. Cornerback Coye Francies made the interception. Massaquoi and Paul Hubbard appeared to get more reps than rookie Brian Robiskie, who had an off day on Tuesday.
• The first-team offensive line was Joe Thomas, Rex Hadnot, Alex Mack, Ryan Tucker and John St. Clair. Eric Steinbach was the second-team left tackle.
• Safety Abram Elam made a good breakup of a Quinn pass for tight end Robert Royal at the goal line.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/tony_grossis_blog_cleveland_br_6.html
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Second-year WR Paul Hubbard has played his way into the battle for a Browns starting spot along with several others, including rookies Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi.
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that is a very pleasant surprise and if he's playing at the level of our 2nd rounders, that is great progress. our wide receiver core has the possibility of being quite strong.
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How great would it be if Patten ended up cut and Furrey ended up buried on the depth chart because the young guys behind Edwards are so good?
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August 5 9:55 ET Browns glacier-sized Pro Bowl NT Shaun Rogers is taking another "punishment lap" that can be timed with a calendar.
Let him chase the reporter for, oh, roughly ten yards or so and see how glacial he is.
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The first-team offensive line was Joe Thomas, Rex Hadnot, Alex Mack, Ryan Tucker and John St. Clair. Eric Steinbach was the second-team left tackle.
I understand that we have to find out who the best backup for Joe is, and give them time to work at LT... but did the coaches look at any of the film on Steinbach from when he filled in at LT for the Bengals?? I mean, even our pathetic pass rush schooled him regularly.
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i really don't know what to make of all this time steinbach is spending on the 2nd team. i think we all appreciate his value but it appears mangini will prefer larger maulers. naturally, whatever is best for the team, but i find it hard to accept that one of our best linemen might not be a starter.
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Steinbach will start.
May be we're giving the backup LG get time with the 1st team because he backs up Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach (seeing as Steinbach would probably have to move to LT if Thomas gets injured)
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wimbley eligible? Why? Don't we have TEs?
Maybe they think he can get to the qb if he lines up on the offensive side of the ball.
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No doubt in my mind that Steiny starts next to JT at LG this season. This is about building versatility along the line, and getting other guys looks with the first team offense.
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I have also read where Adams has been impressive in his coverage. This again does not surprise me.
I had the chance to go to camp this morning and really enjoyed it. Adams is a favorite of mine but he spent the entire time with the trainers either on the bike, dragging a mini sled, and doing other physical therapy stuff. Not sure what kept him sidelined.
Other things I took note of:
1) I have never believed that there was a real QB competition and that the job was BQ's to lose. From what I saw today, he may be playing poorly enough to give DA a real shot.
The defense had better success than any of the "O"'s but I didn't see BQ have much success at all.
2) In a "ten yards out" drill the offense was struggling to run the ball. JL got pancaked and the entire defense celebrated (particularly Cory Ivy who flopped to the ground on his back seemingly mocking JL).
3) When the offense did have success it seemed to revolve around Cribbs who made a nice run in for a TD and every coaches favorite - Vickers. LV made a great leaping catch on the sideline of the endzone for a score.
4) Patten spent the morning on the trainers bike
5) MoMass looks frail - and I know looks don't always tell you how they play - but he looked very much like a rookie Dennis Northcutt in that he looked "slight of build". I really wonder how many shots he take and keep getting up.
6) Players were VERY generous with their time and autographs after practice. I got to meet:
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Hank Fraley
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and maybe a few others. Leon Williams took time to have a brief conversation and was generally just a heck of a nice guy.
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You missed Dawson on the other side of the field.
Qoute of the day when a Browns WR dropped a wide open TD pass in the endzone a fan said " I could have caught that. Barton turned around and said " Lets not get ahead of ourselves"
I love seeing the players support of each other in this years training camp.
Did anyone else see Wimbley going out for a pass? He was defended well and got a touch on the ball but couldnt handle it. I didnt know for sure if he was going out for a pass until I heard the coaches yell "Double Wimbley!"
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According to a report I read on another site, Alex Mack pancaked Shaun Rogers. 
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If so, that is a video that needs to get posted ASAP.. that would be a very pleasant thing to see.
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thanks for the post!
the optimist tells me that the defense has gotten very good. just because all the stuff we're reading about james davis, paul hubbard, and now braylon, i'd have to think we can have a decent offense.
what could be happening with the qbs, though, and this is pure speculation on my part, is that mangini might have told each qb "i know what you do well, show me improvement in your weaker areas." that would explain why quinn is taking more shots downfield and why we're reading DA is running around more on bootlegs.
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additionally, anyone else starting to think mangini held edwards out as a motivator? like putting a steak in front of a chained down dog? once you free that dog, he's going to town on the steak and it sounds like edwards is going to town on our cbs.
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dong: No, from what I've read it sounds like Mangini is taking another page out of Belichick's book and having a veteran guy who was banged up a little get some extra rest. Sounds like the two have formed quite a bond and Mangini has grown as a coach from his Jets experience while Braylon may have grown as a player through his 2008 experience.
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Let's hope (on both counts). 
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Lemme guess, your going to use the proximity excuse, right?
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EO: I have been steadfast in my observations with DA. Actually I've always maintained that he is very accurate - in his Comfort Zone. And what is that Zone. Dropping back in the pocket and stepping up into it. No doubt in my mind he's over 60% in that zone. And this is where my comments about his "SIREN" abilities in practice are based on. He's wearing a Red Jersey (don't know what we use - Orange?) which means nobody hits him - LAY OFF!! He is rarely knocked off his comfort zone in practice. But we know all too well that come game time. GOOD DEFENSES are able to move him out of his COMFORT ZONE and if that means one step to laterally in my observations DA is around 30% once he takes that one step laterally. And this is why you cannot base this COMPETITION...on Sweet practice play! If so DA will win the competition cause I think he is the better QB in a "COMFORT ZONE" But more than 50% of the time QBs are forced out of their comfort zone and this is where BQ holds a Big, big advantage. And against GOOD TEAMs who invariably have GOOD Defenses...the comfort zone breakdown is increased! We need to beat GOOD TEAMS - DA has failed to do this. The Giant game is the exception but if you look at that game the Credit has to go to the OL...cause rarely was DA knocked out of his comfort zone.
Now if you tell me we built an OL that can keep DA in the comfort zone 90% of the time and 75% when we play great Defenses...Then and only then will DA be a WINNER.
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That is exactly my read on DA. I could not agree with you more. It is an evaluation
that I have stated to numerous people.
Given what Mangini appears to want to do on offense Quinn's skill set seems to fit better.
He is a more move the chains type of guy as opposed to the big downfield strike. Good athleticism to move in the pocket. More accurate in the short and intermediate range, and will take what the defense gives (maybe even to often checking down to second and third options). He will not force as many throws as DA and will have less picks.
I know this is not a QB thread but because of all the scrutiny on our QB battle judging DA without looking at in the bright exposure of real play is going to be difficult. The media is looking through a distorted lens.
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i replied to eo in PM because it was clear peopel didn't want this to be a qb thread. that said, bonefish, you can't possibly make the assertion about quinn nor what mangini wants to do.
1) you, nor the rest of us, do not know what mangini wants to do on offense
2) all accounts thus far is saying that quinn MAY NOT have the skillset that you think he does. you can claim that the media has a lens on but you can also notice all posters here saying quinn has struggled and even IF the media had a distorted lens, that lens is distorted TOWARDS quinn. they were the ones calling for quinn all along.
3) you cannot use "perceived weakness" of one player as justification for the playing of another player. it doesn't work that way.
like many have said, it'll come down to preseason play.
one thing i'll say, though as often times i found myself alone on the opposite side of the DA lynch mobs, is i have rarely seen people acknowledge that DA could be accurate period, let alone people saying "DA is accurate when he's in his zone."
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