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As I've said many times, I am firmly behind DA as our starting QB. Keep Quinn holding the clipboard for another year---and until he can actually firmly establish himself as the starter with his limited opportunities. Whether through injury or training camp---he will get his chances. I don't want to sacrifice a season "giving the kid a chance."
I really hope that Mangini does this. I don't think "lets see what Quinn can do," is a valid reason to just hand him the reins. I would much rather have the guy who has actually been a starting QB in the league for awhile. In our case that is DA. I understand he has his faults---all QB's do.
I just think DA gives our offense a better shot. I think he has a way higher upside, and I believe he is young enough to still improve over time.
I also tend to think that Quinn has been overhyped from his playing days at ND, through the draft, and into his time here in Cleveland. I wonder how far he would have fallen had Savage not traded up to get him.
I know what DA brings and I am comfortable with him going into week one.
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IMO, I dont think we got the QB question answered last night. Still a dead heat to me. I want no part of naming the QB until after the Titans game. TN is a very legit team and gives us the best chance at a good evaluation. I say we watchy that game then decide before the Bears game
If something happens in the Bears game to make us change our minds, so be it.
At least it feels like we have a chance to win now 
I'm really curious how we plan against TN, also i'm interested in how their D looks without fat albert in there.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Ytown - IIRC Quinn had 2 pass plays for over 20 yrds vs Det that were called back because of penalties on against the oline.
Roc - I think the interception DA threw was too high and way too hard for how close the receiver was, but it is a reasonable excuse, I had been pretty critical od DA already and I didn't want to argue that point so I gave DA the benefit of the doubt.
King - I haven't seen any evidence that DA will improve. I haven't seen any improvement either in his decision making or his accuracy. If anything it has gotten worse, at best it has stayed the same over the past 2 years..
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Chad Pennington (with the noodle arm) had a great year with Miami last year. He put up almost 3700 yards on 67% completions ..... and he took shots down the field. His 7.2 yards/attempt was the highest of his career as a starter. While he was in a more controlled passing game, he did have explosive plays in his arsenel. Of his 324 completions 38 went for 20+, and 8 went for 40+.
I'd be mroe than happy if Quinn could do that .... you know .... minus the noodle arm and all .......
This is what i'm talking about. DA has a cannon but all that arm strength doesn't do any good if it isn't accurate.
Pennington is also fairly mobile and of the two QBs on our roster who would you say is the more agile one? Being able to move the pocket can put as much or more pressure on the opposing defense as throwing it down field can.
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As I've said many times, I am firmly behind DA as our starting QB. Keep Quinn holding the clipboard for another year---and until he can actually firmly establish himself as the starter with his limited opportunities. Whether through injury or training camp---he will get his chances. I don't want to sacrifice a season "giving the kid a chance."
I really hope that Mangini does this. I don't think "lets see what Quinn can do," is a valid reason to just hand him the reins. I would much rather have the guy who has actually been a starting QB in the league for awhile. In our case that is DA. I understand he has his faults---all QB's do.
I just think DA gives our offense a better shot. I think he has a way higher upside, and I believe he is young enough to still improve over time.
I also tend to think that Quinn has been overhyped from his playing days at ND, through the draft, and into his time here in Cleveland. I wonder how far he would have fallen had Savage not traded up to get him.
I know what DA brings and I am comfortable with him going into week one.
How can you firmly establish yourself with limited opportunities?
I gotta tell ya, every scrimmage, game and practice I've been to, neither QB has had enough reps to get into a rhythm.
Here's the bottom line: I gotta know what we have in Quinn. Mangini's gotta know too. We know what we have in Anderson. Upside? What upside? He was worse than JaMarcus Russell last year!
It's not a "let's give the kid a shot" thing...it's an "I gotta know" thing.
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It's not a "let's give the kid a shot" thing...it's an "I gotta know" thing.
What do you feel is the difference between those two statements (honest question, not a bait)?
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It's not a "let's give the kid a shot" thing...it's an "I gotta know" thing.
What do you feel is the difference between those two statements (honest question, not a bait)?
"Let's give the kid a shot" is like playing Cribbs at QB just for the hell of it. It's like throwing up your arms with no other ideas.
"I gotta know" means there's great potential there that we need to see if it translates to the NFL game or not.
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He was worse than JaMarcus Russell last year!
It's not a "let's give the kid a shot" thing...it's an "I gotta know" thing.
This is a true statement. Derek Anderson was worse than the #1 pick in the draft last year. Statistics alone prove this.
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He was worse than JaMarcus Russell last year!
It's not a "let's give the kid a shot" thing...it's an "I gotta know" thing.
This is a true statement. Derek Anderson was worse than the #1 pick in the draft last year. Statistics alone prove this.
I detect your sarcasm.
But facts are facts...
He's a streaky player who can't hit the shorter passes...but when he's on he's lethal.
I need consistency.
I bet if Anderson starts this year, he won't be horrendous, but he won't throw for 29 TD's either. I doubt the INT's would decrease either.
He could be a starting QB...but does that make him a very good or great starting QB? No. I don't think he ever will be a very good starting QB because I've seen enough of Anderson's game to have an idea of what he is...Quinn? Quite possible that he could be a very good QB.
I will say this...neither guy has been a Matt Leinart/Vince Young/Alex Smith-style meltdown.
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I don't even know what to say to that.
"I gotta know."
Maybe write a letter to Coach Mangini, or wait outside his residence to plead your case. "I gotta know" seems really silly. And kinda selfish in a way.
Also, writing off a guy after two seasons is pretty lame too. You can't say last year showcased "the real DA," with anymore certainty than I can say 07 showcased "the real DA." He has been starter for all of about two seasons--I think you give a guy a bit longer than that. Especially after his 07 season, and especially after the wheels falling off the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION last year.
I'm not sold on DA being a perennial pro bowler, and I ain't writing him off; but I am certainly giving him another year to play ball under the new regime.
If Quinn doesn't blow him away in the limited reps that this "competition" gives him, then I go with DA.
Not picking on you in particular, but I just don't get this infatuation with changing QB's around here.
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"I gotta know" wasn't meant to be selfish.
God...Reghi says it all the time talking about the QB's...does anyone call him selfish?
Anyway...it would be a lot easier to start Quinn and switch to Anderson if Quinn looks like hell than it would be the other way around.
Like it or not, Quinn's shown flashes. He's shown poise. He hasn't shown consistency yet but neither has DA. Where Anderson's arm is intoxicating, Quinn's touch and mobility is as well. Quinn's arm isn't weak either and he CAN get the ball downfield. He just chooses to be methodical like the best QB's in the league do. (if Moss were on this team I'd bet Quinn would throw downfield all the time)
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The biggest omission from your statement is that Quinn hasn't been very accurate. That's supposed to be the one thing that puts him ahead of Anderson.
I would also disagree and say that I've seen Anderson show poise in the past. There isn't a QB in the league that would have done anything with the team thrown out there last season.Quote:
He just chooses to be methodical like the best QB's in the league do.
At this point in his career, he doesn't CHOOSE anything. The coaches choose his plays for him.
The sad part so far this year is that we haven't seen EITHER QB overcome their advertised weaknesses. Anderson made a dumb throw or two, as has Quinn. Quinn has missed alot of receivers in practice and apparently hasn't looked all that great with the long-ball. Nobody says he can't hit the long one, the reports were always that he lacked accuracy once you get past the three-step drop throws.
I was REALLY hoping that one of these two guys would blow the other away so that he'd get the reigns for the last two pre-season games. It doesn't look like that's going to happen. I firmly believe that if Mangini names a starter after the last pre-season game he's making a huge mistake. Both of these QB's need all the first-team reps they can get; Quinn because he has no experience, Anderson because he needs to get into a rhythm to be a good QB.
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How can you firmly establish yourself with limited opportunities?
You are just starting into the business world ..... but let me give you a little advice right off the bat that will help you immensely as you begin your own career.
Someone, somewhere, is damn near always watching .... and you even might be surprised who or from what level of the business. Opportunities must be siezed. Business isn't about "fair", or "even", or "equal" ...... it's about results and getting every ounce out of every opportunity that comes your way.
The NFL is a business. If a guy isn't grabbing hold of an opportunity he has no one to blame but himself if someone else takes it away from him. This goes for both Quinn and Anderson.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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players show their true worth/value on the field... so again...
How can you FIRMLY establish yourself with limited opportunities?
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I'm going to look at this a different way..if DA were to be named starter it's because BQ isn't showing enough to pull ahead of him..I still saw the same things of DA that I've always seen...even on a few completions they weren't on target..
In BQ's case the pass plays aren't to stretch the field but comit few mistakes..maybe they need to open it up so we can see exactly what he can do.
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I gotta get this point in now before I forget.
I think trading Anderson or Quinn and leaving the backup job to Ratliff at this point in time would be downright stupid. Ratliff hasn't exactly had me all warm and fuzzy about his prospects of being the #2 at this point in time. There's a very clear dropoff between Quinn/Anderson and Ratliff.
Speaking of QB's...I find this point kind of fascinating...
Most of the time Cleveland loves the underdog. Holcomb over Couch, Sipe over Phipps, Frye being the less-skilled third rounder, etc.
Not so with Anderson/Quinn.
Hell, I wouldn't exactly call LeBron, Shaq and the Cavs underdogs either.
Maybe us Clevelanders are getting wise and aren't trying to fight the current anymore?
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Someone, somewhere, is damn near always watching
This was the final piece of advice our Senior Drill Instructor bestowed on my platoon when we graduated from Parris Island. For me, it has always been one of those profound "isms" to live by.
While it may or may not be the deciding factor in this quandry, I thought Anderson showed some flashes of how well he can play, but nothing that we haven't seen before.
Good QB play has many variable factors intertwined therein. But based on Saturday, I wouldn't have any problem with DA being the starter.
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To say the decision will be made based on production in these 2 preseason games is ridiculous.
Sure DA scored this week in the 1st, when Quinn couldn't last week. Then look at who the team being played were. Cribbs didn't have a TD last week, Wright didn't have a INT that set us up at the 5 (20 after penalty), Dawson didn't miss his FG.
There is a huge difference between GB and Det at this point, and that has to be taken into account, and I hope Mangini and company had a system in place to help them determine this other than stats in preseason games.
But one thing I know is I an dreaming, fantasizing, salivating for the day we have a clear #1 QB in Cleveland that doesn't leave us with a QB competition every preseason. I'm just tired of it, and want a starting QB for years to come.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I think trading Anderson or Quinn and leaving the backup job to Ratliff at this point in time would be downright stupid.
Yes it would.
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The decision should have been made a LONG time ago. QB comps kill the offense, and chemistry, and severely hurt both QB's because one of them will start, and that QB lost invaluable reps in pre-season and camp. But the Detroit game was the same old DA, pretty good against man coverage, he didnt have to progress is his reads. Detroit's defense is terrible, they get no pressure. First pass play, DA missed BE who was wide open up the field, Derek tried to "touch pass it". You can always tell DA trys to put touch on it, it looks like his throwing a shot put, his footwork gets messed up and the ball isnt close. The whole reason DA completed melted down after his first 7 games, was a league adjustment. Teams quit doing man vs. man on us, went to deep zones coverages and forced DA to throw short and to read zones. He can't do either. Go back to the first throw in Green Bay, the CB was sitting in a flat zone, and Derek flat out didnt see him. He made the throw and the corner was a tick off of jumping the pass for six. I thought his pick this week hurt him bad, that was a bad error that cost points. Even Bernie kept saying over and over "Derek is just gonna be safe here, a pick would be bad". Then DA misses badly, pick. All this stuff is the stuff that has beaten, grinded, and beaten more. Its the same DA, Derek is Derek. He's gonna go out and have a few great games, alot of mediocre ones and some really bad ones, he's gonna turn the ball over. Quinn may not be Tom Brady, but he's got the intangibles, and the brains to do this. Now he has to play, we have to see what he has. If he doesnt start, I dont see anyway that he isnt gonna want out, which is definantly understandable. We've seen DA on and off over 3 years, 20+ games. Now its Quinn's time to get a dozen games, and lets see what happens. To me it really doesnt matter who EM starts, because Quinn will be starting by week 3 regardless, we wont win with DA. Too many lost drives because of bad easy throws, which gets offense out of ryhtm. DA and BE are both good rythm players, DA kills his own rythms. Plus the turnovers cant happen with our weak defense. I'm not a Quinn homer, but I think we have a better chance to win now, and in the future, if we start Brady Quinn.
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DA and BQ both ran 2-minute offenses. They both ended in interceptions. What could've happened is inconsequential.
No it's not, that's not how you judge players in the preseason.. not even close. You break down the plays, the technique, the opportunities, etc... If anything, I'd say the results are more inconsequential.
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Quinn completed 3 of 5 for 29 yards. That's almost 6 yards per attempt.
Anderson went 8-13 for 130 yards, and 10 yards per attempt.
Now there is almost no data to use from the first game as far as Anderson is concerned. He had 2 passes, and neither was very good. Quinn went 7-11 for 68 yards. Nice completion percentage ..... but barely 6 yards per attempt.
In 2 games thus far, Anderson has 15 pass attempts and Quinn has 16. Thus far, IIRC, Anderson now has 3 20+ yard plays, and Quinn has 1.
You are splitting hairs Ytown... Actually Quinn has 2 20+ yard plays... one to Cribbs in the 2 minute drill against the Packers and one Saturday night to Robiskie.. so 3 for 15 is that much better than 2 out of 16 in 20+ yard plays? In this small of a sample? DA also has 2 INTs to Quinns 1... so by percentage in a really small sample, DA looks a lot worse. Overall Quinns YPA is just over 6 and DA's is about 8.6...
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Actually Quinn has completed about 62%.. DA is at about 53%... for both games combined..
My point is that 15 to 16 attempts is an extremely small sample and we can pick and choose which numbers make one qb look better... Hell just is the "feel" of it, DA was actually the QB when 20 points were scored in one quarter, even though one was a punt return, and the other was a 5 yard FG "drive"... So do you punish BQ because BE dropped his TD pass and Phil missed his FG? That's why you can't just judge results as somebody else posted.. it's a lot more than that.
In the end, I would agree with you, this is going to come down to the preferred style... DA is a bigger risk/bigger reward type of QB... Pick one and let's get on with it.
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I love it when people use the line "We've seen what DA can do" against him.
We *have* seen what DA could do in 2008- with receivers dropping balls that hit them in the hands or chest, with an O-line that couldn't block, with a coach who didn't have the respect of his players (they may have "liked" him, but that doesn't mean he had their respect) and had no clue how to discipline them, with an anemic running game, with an OC who had little imagination, with 3 different QB coaches, and with a defense that couldn't stay on the field long enough to let the offense catch their breath.
*I'd* like to see "what DA can do" with sure-handed receivers, a coach with a plan, an OC with a plan, a 1200+ yard rushing game, and an attacking D.
I think that's only fair.
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I'm not a Quinn homer, but I think we have a better chance to win now, and in the future, if we start Brady Quinn.
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*I'd* like to see "what DA can do" with sure-handed receivers, a coach with a plan, an OC with a plan, a 1200+ yard rushing game, and an attacking D.
Yeah I'd like to see what DA can do with a attacking D..cuze I already know  He will throw pick after pick....take the man to man coverage away from him and he will burn and fizzle..
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This competition and debate seems like it will go the distance. There will be no knockout.
So I will add my two sense:
To me it is about consistency. Which guy will give you the best chance to win game in, and game out, over the course of the season?
When in his comfort zone with good protection DA can be a hot passer. However, against good defenses that apply pressure he does not have the ability to extend plays and lapses into poor decisions. He has demonstrated it and not much has changed. He still struggles to put touch on the ball and does not check down well. He lacks mobility and does not throw well on the move.
Quinn has shown some skills but really is a unknown commodity. Still I believe he is the long term solution. He has mobility. He is conservative in that he will check down and take what is given. I do believe over the course of a season he will have less interceptions, and more first downs. He will be more of a control the clock QB as opposed to the quick strike. His intellect is such that I believe he will control the huddle and get the team into the right plays and more consistently make the right decisions with the ball.
Anderson, again my opinion would be a good backup. He can come him and throw the long quick strikes and seems to have a short term memory. He needs to play loose. I don't think he does well with pressure both from good defensive teams as well as from the crowd. He wants to accepted and I think he has a fragile ego. Coming in from the number one on a injury is less pressure and will have the backing of the crowd. He is to my way thinking well suited for that role.
However, after this year his salary and market value (good or bad) will more than likely dictate a trade.
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No it's not, that's not how you judge players in the preseason.. not even close. You break down the plays, the technique, the opportunities, etc... If anything, I'd say the results are more inconsequential.
I understand that. And if you look at that post, you'll see that it was a response to a post made by RocDawg. In that post he was saying that DA sitting for most of the second quarter should not be taken into account when DA came in for the two minute offense and threw a pick, because Brady should have had a touchdown when he was in a similar situation against Green Bay. Since "RocDawg" is more than likely not Eric Mangini, what should have happened is inconsequential to his argument.
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As has been mentioned, while watching ESPN, Tim Hasselbeck chimed in by saying he feels that Anderson has the lead. However, that bit of opinion is meaningless, as he's just another talking head. What DID catch my attention revolves around something he said about Quinn. It was his opinion that because Quinn hasn't been able to put any distance between himself and Anderson that it's a bad sign.
I agree.
FACT: Each QB lacks age and experience in the NFL and would make mistakes as they continued to evolve.
The problem as I see it isn't with Anderson's shortcomings, but with Quinn's lack of development with the tools that he was reported to have.
Maybe it was DC or maybe it was Ytown, but one of'em stated it quite well when he said Anderson is more of a known quantity, but that doesn't mean he's a finished product (paraphrased). By the third training camp, Quinn SHOULD have been quite able to show that he's ready to lead the offense. So far, he hasn't. After all, he didn't come into the league as a Junior, and was reported to be ready to start right out of college.
Clearly, that wasn't the case.
So where does that leave us? In a damned precarious position, that's for sure. Anderson isn't going to have this bright light come on to where he's suddenly going to be a 64% passer. His ceiling is only so high. But Quinn's lack of ability to beat him out is disturbing to me.
Quinn has more tools, but isn't living up to the billing. To this point, he's disappointed me. I've the feeling that no matter who we go with, we're not going to see great QB play this year.
Thanks, Savage  You traded up to get an absolute BUM in Frye, then you traded up to get an over-hyped guy in Quinn. In the meantime, you've gotten something out of Anderson, which you did good on in terms of plucking him away from the Rats, but you gave him a BIG contract filled with guaranteed money that he wasn't deserving of.
This QB "battle" looks more like a cripple-fight.
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If the majority opinion around here is true, that DA really sucks, it has to be troubling that BQ, who by all BQ fan reports went through a legendary off season program, hasn't nailed down the job by this point.
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That can't be politically correct....and why I am laughing.
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to you and toad: EXACTLY. that's exactly how i've felt for some time, this offseason. not anything new here, but it's a new article: Quote:
BEREA, Ohio -- It will be another week without knowing the Browns' starting quarterback for the next preseason game on Saturday.
Pressed to assess the quarterback competition, coach Eric Mangini maintained that the process is playing out and he will not make a decision until he is able to make the right decision.
Much of the discussion today concerned Derek Anderson's performance in the 27-10 win over Detroit. Mangini praised Anderson for making good throws and other positives not readily observed in the game, such as recognitions and using his cadence to draw the Lions offsides twice.
Mangini would not say who will start at quarterback against Tennessee in the game typically considered the dress rehearsal for the season opener. It would be Brady Quinn's turn to start based on Mangini's rotation.
The coach insists he is confident a winner will present itself before the opener on Sept. 13, even though he said the competition "is very close."
"If it's close (at the end), then I'll make the decision and that will be the decision based on what I feel gives us the best chance to win," he said. "Everybody will have a different opinion. But that's what makes it so great, so much interest in the game, so much excitement."
On another front, Mangini said nose tackle Shaun Rogers' continued absence "has nothing to do with anything besides getting him to the point where we want him to be. Sometimes with injuries it's precautionary."
The Browns have not disclosed Rogers' injury.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/cleveland_browns_qb_competitio.html
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The problem in the evaluation of Quinn is game time. You can only do so much wearing a orange shirt at practice going against your own team.
Even pre-season games can not give you a complete answer. We will only know what Quinn can or can not do until we have had a chance to see him in real games.
You can have all kinds of questions about his abilities but unless I see it with my own eyes under real game conditions I will not pass judgement on him.
I can see some things mobility, arm strength, accuracy (under the condition seen in) but really I still do not know. We know he is the first guy there and the last to leave. There is no question about his work habits. Usually hard works pays off. Most great players believe in preparation.
I saw Peyton lose bad his first year. The same with Aikman and Elway all HOF'ers.
Nobody truly develops till they go live. Look at Rivers, Matt Ryan, and Flacco.
We have seen the good , bad, and ugly of Anderson.
We have not seen Quinn.
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players show their true worth/value on the field... so again...
How can you FIRMLY establish yourself with limited opportunities?
Players "establish" themselves in any number of ways ...... but usually several factors come into play for a young player .....
How well he interacts with his teammates.
How well he knows the offense, and how quickly he can adjust given game type situations
has he demonstrated that he can make the throws in practice?
Has he shown an ability to go through progressions in practice, and when drilled in a classroom situation?
How does he perform in practice, and how does the team perform with him at the helm?
Finally, and most difficult, how does he do in actualy exhibition game situations?
Most young players aren't going to get tons of 1st team reps. They are going to have to earn their stripes .... demonstrate their knowledge ....... and do it over and over again in practice. Then they need to deliver when they get very limited snaps in the pre-season.
I think that many people are looking at the games themselves as some final end-all/be-all of the QB decision, when, in reality, it's probably less than 50% of the equation.
There's an old saying "Championships are won on the practice field". There's another "You practice even harder than you play". "Preparation beats perspiration" is another that comes to mind.
I bet that Mangini has his mind about 80% made up at this poiint, I have no clue which way he's leaning .... but I will say this ...... If I were Quinn, I wouldn't be encouraged by the fact that this has dragged on this long. Before anyone accuses me of favoritism, I'd say the same thing to Anderson.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I will wait to make my mind until I see Quinn play real football, with real bullets flying, over an extended period of time(like 10 games). If it were easy to tell great QB's from dud's in camp and in pre-season there would be no Tom Brady's & Kurt Warners. It would be obvious how much better they are, just as DA was not even mentioned until he played for real. He couldnt even beat Trent Dilfer out, or the Ravens backups out.
I wouldn't be worried if I was Quinn, I would continue to work hard and do the best I can. Quinn will get a chance, either it will be here when DA plays himself out of a job or if he demands a trade and essentially walks away.
I do think its hilarious that people are passing on judgment on Quinn when he hasn't played but 3 games in the NFL. And basing that on practice, or the lack of beating DA out. I just hope he gets his chance here, because its this franchises only hope of winning anything in the next few years.
DA will get us a big fat 3-13 and a new QB next year, with another year after that of development. If Quinn isnt anything, then kiss our chances of a winning record bye-bye for the next 2 years. Which is why we have to see what he has, for real, and hope he is good. EM seems like a smart guy, I think he'll make the right choice.
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I will wait to make my mind until I see Quinn play real football, with real bullets flying, over an extended period of time(like 10 games). If it were easy to tell great QB's from dud's in camp and in pre-season there would be no Tom Brady's & Kurt Warners. It would be obvious how much better they are, just as DA was not even mentioned until he played for real. He couldnt even beat Trent Dilfer out, or the Ravens backups out.
I wouldn't be worried if I was Quinn, I would continue to work hard and do the best I can. Quinn will get a chance, either it will be here when DA plays himself out of a job or if he demands a trade and essentially walks away.
I do think its hilarious that people are passing on judgment on Quinn when he hasn't played but 3 games in the NFL. And basing that on practice, or the lack of beating DA out. I just hope he gets his chance here, because its this franchises only hope of winning anything in the next few years.
DA will get us a big fat 3-13 and a new QB next year, with another year after that of development. If Quinn isnt anything, then kiss our chances of a winning record bye-bye for the next 2 years. Which is why we have to see what he has, for real, and hope he is good. EM seems like a smart guy, I think he'll make the right choice.
3-13???
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*I'd* like to see "what DA can do" with sure-handed receivers, a coach with a plan, an OC with a plan, a 1200+ yard rushing game, and an attacking D.
No offense but there are 40 guys who could look real good in the NFL with all that... Trent freakin' Dilfer won a superbowl with that... We cannot wait until we have every piece in place to make a QB decision because it's never going to happen.
This is my own opinion, coming from a guy who doesn't see camp or practice or film study or anything... but from what I've seen, BQ looks consistently better than DA.. consistently.. but BQ is yet to look spectacular.. DA flounders, then looks spectacular, then he flounders, then he looks spectacular.. and every time he looks spectacular I'm left wondering, has he finally turned the corner, can he sustain something close to this, because if he can, he looks GREAT... then he flounders again and I long for the consistency of BQ... That's why the conclusion I've reached at this point is, if they really want to build a run-first team that values security, ball control, TOP and a punishing defense then BQ is the better option... if you want to air it out, score more points but make more mistakes and occassionally lose to somebody because you had 3 or 4 stupid turnovers, if you can accept thats going to happen, then DA is your man...
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*I'd* like to see "what DA can do" with sure-handed receivers, a coach with a plan, an OC with a plan, a 1200+ yard rushing game, and an attacking D.
No offense but there are 40 guys who could look real good in the NFL with all that... Trent freakin' Dilfer won a superbowl with that... We cannot wait until we have every piece in place to make a QB decision because it's never going to happen.
This is my own opinion, coming from a guy who doesn't see camp or practice or film study or anything... but from what I've seen, BQ looks consistently better than DA.. consistently.. but BQ is yet to look spectacular.. DA flounders, then looks spectacular, then he flounders, then he looks spectacular.. and every time he looks spectacular I'm left wondering, has he finally turned the corner, can he sustain something close to this, because if he can, he looks GREAT... then he flounders again and I long for the consistency of BQ... That's why the conclusion I've reached at this point is, if they really want to build a run-first team that values security, ball control, TOP and a punishing defense then BQ is the better option... if you want to air it out, score more points but make more mistakes and occassionally lose to somebody because you had 3 or 4 stupid turnovers, if you can accept thats going to happen, then DA is your man...
That all said, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning couldn't have done squat with what we had here last year...
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I don't fault DA for what happened here last year..
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*I'd* like to see "what DA can do" with sure-handed receivers, a coach with a plan, an OC with a plan, a 1200+ yard rushing game, and an attacking D.
No offense but there are 40 guys who could look real good in the NFL with all that... Trent freakin' Dilfer won a superbowl with that... We cannot wait until we have every piece in place to make a QB decision because it's never going to happen.
This is my own opinion, coming from a guy who doesn't see camp or practice or film study or anything... but from what I've seen, BQ looks consistently better than DA.. consistently.. but BQ is yet to look spectacular.. DA flounders, then looks spectacular, then he flounders, then he looks spectacular.. and every time he looks spectacular I'm left wondering, has he finally turned the corner, can he sustain something close to this, because if he can, he looks GREAT... then he flounders again and I long for the consistency of BQ... That's why the conclusion I've reached at this point is, if they really want to build a run-first team that values security, ball control, TOP and a punishing defense then BQ is the better option... if you want to air it out, score more points but make more mistakes and occassionally lose to somebody because you had 3 or 4 stupid turnovers, if you can accept thats going to happen, then DA is your man...
That all said, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning couldn't have done squat with what we had here last year...
In your opinion. You have no proof to the contrary that they could have done better or if they would have struggled.
you had a good run Hank.
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There is also nothing to be seen that should make anyone think that changing just a single position would make any difference at all. Last year was a top to bottom failure. Far too much attention is given to the QB position. If the WR doesn't catch, the QB sucks. If the RB doesn't get yardage, the defense isn't kept honest, and the QB sucks. If the line doesn't block, the QB sucks. If NASCAR were a sport (  ), we could make the analogy that the QB is the driver and all of the other parts of the car are the other parts of the offense. The driver gets the glory, but it only steers and throttles the vehicle while the vehicle is what actually does ALL of the real work.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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