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Quarterback derby: Perhaps as a tip-off to Saturday's starter, Derek Anderson worked with the first team and got the most reps against the Green Bay scout team defense. He was sharp and had his fastball lighting up the radar gun. Anderson was intercepted by Brodney Pool when his pass caromed off Josh Cribbs' hands. Anderson tossed a touchdown to Mike Furrey over Corey Ivy to conclude a 3-minute drill. Brady Quinn overthrew at least two receivers on long routes in drills. Quinn ran only four plays in the 3-minute drill, ending with a deep incompletion for Jordan Norwood.
I think Mangini wanted to start DA on the road in Game 1 & Brady at home, to keep fans happy. BQ better pick it up, because from the sounds of things Anderson is making a statement. JMHO of course.
Anderson is making a statement? How about looking less crappy? 
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Look ... we can argue and debate the finer points of Quinn's game ..... but the simple truth is that there is a very, very small and mixed sample to examine. There was some good ... some bad ... some OK .... and somewhere in there was an injury. IMHO, very inconclusive. He has some strengths and weaknesses ..... but there is nowhere near enough data to say for sure what they are either way.
Anderson has some more defined strengths and weaknesses. He is not quite the unknown that Quinn is. His unknown is how well he can improve on his weaknesses ... and in fact, can he imnprove on them? I don't know, and truly, neither does anyone else with abolute certainty.
Both guys have question marks. Just because I don;t bow at the altar of Quinn doesn't make me anything except a Browns fan who wants the guy who will help us win games in there ..... whuchever guy that may be.
Hell ..... if Ratliffe turns out to be the best guy then I'm all for him starting. I want a winning team. Iindividual players aren't my major concern.
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Hopefully it's nothing big.
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Anderson is making a statement? How about looking less crappy?
If DA's less crappy, then he's the guy we want at QB. 
FTR I still say if they are remotely close BQ should get the nod just to end this debate, and because he deserves a shot when you consider the investment. Of course no matter who starts the season, the debate could rage again after about two games. Or one.
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Kind of interesting that DA is getting the nod for Game 1 ... if there are any plans to alternate the starts, that puts him starting the all important Game 3 ... hmmm.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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That was Wednesday's news. I believe he practiced today.
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Anderson is making a statement? How about looking less crappy?
If DA's less crappy, then he's the guy we want at QB.
FTR I still say if they are remotely close BQ should get the nod just to end this debate, and because he deserves a shot when you consider the investment. Of course no matter who starts the season, the debate could rage again after about two games. Or one.
Yeah, I agree. I just want the best guy in there, and to go back to argue about something else during training camp.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I haven't heard a single thing all camp about any safety NOT named Abe or Brodney.
What's up with Adams? He's been quiet so far. I hope there's some depth there.
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I haven't heard a single thing all camp about any safety NOT named Abe or Brodney.
What's up with Adams? He's been quiet so far. I hope there's some depth there.
Come to think of it, I haven't heard much about pool either. I know there was a report of an INT by him earlier, but seems he's been under the radar.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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We'll know more after the first two pre-season games, as far as what players and combos at safety the coaches like.
Pool, Adams and the ex-Jet will be battling for the two starting safety spots.
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i'd simplify that and say elam is a starter and adams is battling pool. i'd even go as far as to say adams might be the other starter, based on the camp reports thus far.
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There is no reason, whatsoever to doubt his starting job. Zero.
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he wasn't drafted by mangini, he hasn't impressed for most of training camp whereas adams has. in fact, prior to this week, the only news of pool was when he was chewed out for giving too much cushion to a wr. adams was also re-signed by mangini.
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Well that's rediculous because Pool is a much better player than Mike Adams, for sure. At free safety or strong safety, Pool is a better player. People probably aren't reporting that much on him because he is good as usual. I've read about him making some interceptions, they just don't specifically talk aboiut him for any length in any articles.
You want to talk about a bad safety, Nick Sorensen. I hope the guy doesn't read this message board, but he really doesn't have what it takes. The other three are at least NFL caliber. Sorensen is a decent special teamer, but otherwise is looking to get cut at some point soon.............
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Mike Adams wasn't signed or drafted by Mangini and less has been said about him than Pool. And Pool has started the past few seasons and is listed as the starter on the depth chart.
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our best safety play last year was pool ss and adams fs. pool is a better ss than fs. adams might be the better fs. pool is more athletic, better at ss, less thinkin imo.
the best tandem might be adams and either elam or pool since they are both ss.
but after saying all that, pool will start opposite elam because pool is so athletic. and im a pool fan, but still worried how many concussions he has left.
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and is listed as the starter on the depth chart.
Which means less that a drunk guy telling the ugly woman left in the bar at 3 am he loves her ...... 
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I am a Browns Backer.
Look ... we can argue and debate the finer points of Quinn's game ..... but the simple truth is that there is a very, very small and mixed sample to examine. There was some good ... some bad ... some OK .... and somewhere in there was an injury. IMHO, very inconclusive. He has some strengths and weaknesses ..... but there is nowhere near enough data to say for sure what they are either way.
Anderson has some more defined strengths and weaknesses. He is not quite the unknown that Quinn is. His unknown is how well he can improve on his weaknesses ... and in fact, can he imnprove on them? I don't know, and truly, neither does anyone else with abolute certainty.
Both guys have question marks. Just because I don;t bow at the altar of Quinn doesn't make me anything except a Browns fan who wants the guy who will help us win games in there ..... whuchever guy that may be.
Hell ..... if Ratliffe turns out to be the best guy then I'm all for him starting. I want a winning team. Iindividual players aren't my major concern.
Yawn...nothing to really argue about Quinn until he's played enough to completely analize..got it?
Now DA on the other hand is what he is..a gunslinging QB who is inconsistant..dude has had how many years to improve???
It seems the same ole hamburger helper meal when TC is on..he doesn't do anything to impress...his experience hasn't helped him to outdistance Quinn in camp..
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While we do know more about Anderson, he's still a young QB who's only had one legitimate season to really succeed. No QB would have grown with the team we marched out there last year.
Is that making an excuse for Anderson? Yes. However, people can (and do) make all the same excuses for Quinn, which are legitimate.
The REALLY unfortunate part of all this is that Quinn has NOT been able to distance himself from Anderson. I keep seeing the same reports that I feared coming out of college with Quinn, which revolve around his lack of accuracy. I've got this bad feeling we're right back to square one with two QB's who aren't bums but aren't complete players either.
I'm reserving judgement until I've seen two preseason games. After that, it's time to stick with the guy who's played the best. I'm absolutely confident Mangini won't just march Quinn out there because of a popularity contest or draft status. He's an A-hole type of coach, and in this regard, that's perfect.
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No Quinn has not distanced himself from DA...and I won't make excuses..both are throwing to new recievers..both have a new HC..new OC...so..as I always say the preseason is important..
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Ok, technically correct I suppose...he was signed by Kokinis. Remember, he was a FA this past offseason and we signed him back.
Either way, I agree with the general sentiment that Pool is the better player...however, I have always questioned his umm...how shall I put this...academic skills, which might slightly open the door for Adams. I don't think it will be enough, but I also don't think it will matter....Mangini likes rotating defensive players on the field a lot. That's why Elam saw a lot of time last year even with Rhodes ahead of him. All 3 players will play.
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In the Grossi blog regarding yesterday's practice it stated BE was back on the field.
DA is the starter - looks like  Told the coaches to put wax in their ears...they did not - now the Sireen has taken them over. Wonder how long it will take.
Man I hope he's improved...I don't think this season is a waste...I think we can win and surprise and get into the playoffs!
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I can't remember who said it, but I saw someone post it here. But, DA and BQ will get at least one start in pre-season, IMO. I think it's very likely that DA is starting pre-season game #1 just because it's on the road. Then BQ will start the 2nd game, at home, to keep the fans happy. The true sign of who our starter will be, is whoever starts game #3, IMO.
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Um .... I really don't get your points here ..... I said .... Quote:
Look ... we can argue and debate the finer points of Quinn's game ..... but the simple truth is that there is a very, very small and mixed sample to examine. There was some good ... some bad ... some OK .... and somewhere in there was an injury. IMHO, very inconclusive. He has some strengths and weaknesses ..... but there is nowhere near enough data to say for sure what they are either way.
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Yawn...nothing to really argue about Quinn until he's played enough to completely analize..got it?
I'm not really sure what you're arguing here. You basically restated, in an abbreviated form, the gist of my statement.
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Now DA on the other hand is what he is..a gunslinging QB who is inconsistant..dude has had how many years to improve???
I'm not really sure what you're arguing ... other than the fact that you appear to prefer Quinn.
To me, the fact that Quinn was a 1st round QB ..... who has done very little to this point ..... his 3rd year in the league ...... is extremely worrisome. As Toad said, also the fact that his (reputed, at least as often reported on this board) accuracy has not been displayed is also troublesome.
The 1 assumption that people make as far as why Quin n would be a better QB usually reverts back to accuracy. I haven't seen it yet ...... and if the coaches don't see it either, then DA has a superior arm and experience .... and if accuracy is a wash, then those factors will likely win out.
I'm not endorsing either guy. I think that each has something to prove before he cn be considered a surefire starter in the NFL. In year 3. however, I think it's Quinn, with his pedigree and high draft status, who has more questions at this point ... and who has more to prove.
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Well .. other than those excuses .... but no more excuses ..... unless, of course, there are excusable reasons ...... but no excuses ...... Got it?
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I'm absolutely confident Mangini won't just march Quinn out there because of a popularity contest or draft status. He's an A-hole type of coach, and in this regard, that's perfect.
seems to parallel the cardinals' last season.
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I remarked last year I don't believe DA will improve upon his weaknesses to enable him to be a solid starter...and I'll stand by that..I'm not going to tote the fence and say well he might improve..fact is regardless of what Quinn does or doesn't do, if DA can't improve on his deficencies he's out..and if Quinn doesn't take the job the BROWNS WILL stumble and bumble all year..Ammo..U really don't want to get me going..
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In the Grossi blog regarding yesterday's practice it stated BE was back on the field.
Yeah, and in his interview said he'd play against GB. Just posted the article in response to PhilDawsonRocks' comment about his foot.
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This whole debate is just tiring. I like Mangini, but him stretching this out even longer is nerve racking. It is fair, but to a point it is futile IMO.
Quinn has little to no experience, that is a given. DA has almost two full years of starting, yet the arguement is being used that he needs time to prove himself. Since DA does have the experience, and HAS proven who he is. I find it laughable that some still think he will improve. How long is that going to take?
Quinn in many peoples mind is a finished product. Yet he has proven to be the harder worker. So I'm to believe that Quinn will never overcome his "alleged" accuracy problems, but somehow the more proven guy will. I can't even start to think how that can be acceptable thinking. I think RAC and Savage screwed the pooch by not giving Quinn playing time, they IMO are fools for letting this thing still be a question mark.
I hear that Quinn can't seperate himself from DA. It would appear to me that DA should have the advantage, being he has started and had a decent season. IMO that shows that he is a finished product. He is a starter that won ten games and thru a ton of TDs, then comes back the next year and continues the downward slide he started at the end of his "great" year. Now he is in a compettion with a guy who started three games and played two of them injured, yet faired no worse then the "probowler"
Quinn on the other hand was a high draft pick. Is a big study of the game. And a diligent worker, yet he can't seperate himself from a finished product like DA with all his flaws. I watched Quinn throw ducks in camp. I too questioned his arm, but I have also seen him make those same throws on film.
This competition is doing nothing for the rebuilding of this team. We are in the same place ten years removed from the Holcomb?Couch debacle. I want the "loser" of this competition traded as soon as possible for the good of this team. There is no way either will be given time to succeed as long as the other is still here. Maybe the coach will let it happen, but the fans will never let it go. And while the fans shouldn't be the ones that make this decision, they will be the ones that in the future will make it very unappealing for anybody, FA or draftee, to ever WANT to be the QB of this team.
We the fans have cheered the injury of two of our QBs in the past, if this attitude continues, which it will as long as these "competitions" continue, the Browns franchise will continue to be looked at as a joke. And if you don't think that is the perception around the league, then you are living in a hole.
Pick one by the third preseason game and trade the other. We got a legitimate back up, Ratcliff, now we only need ONE starter.
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That's what I'd like to have happen. Choose one, trade the other.
Get this BS over with.... for christ sakes. it's been several years and just as many QBs.
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I don't really understand why it's so nerve racking, like Deep said in another thread they both could turn out good in their own way. I don't care who starts, I'll support the Browns.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Pick one by the third preseason game and trade the other. We got a legitimate back up, Ratcliff, now we only need ONE starter.
That's what I'd like to have happen. Choose one, trade the other.
Get this BS over with.... for christ sakes. it's been several years and just as many QBs.
Sirs, you two win the prize.
If they cannot separate and one or the other take charge, let Ratliff start and trade them both and draft a QB next year in the draft and be done with all this crap.
I've heard it said before and the more I see it I think it is true.
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mangini's first year in NY, he had a 4-way competition for the QB spot....couldn't even imagine what would happen if he tried that here.
anyway, Penny showed he was the best QB on the roster, he started and brought them to the playoffs....noone was traded.
just saying, the team will go on and everything will be fine as long as someone steps forward and takes the job. sure, things around this board would be nicer if the loser of the competition was traded away, but that's probably not what is best for the team and it is deifnitely not a necessity.
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Personally I think we should trade Quin And DA .. And go with the QB named Brett! Ratliffe that is.
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things around this board would be nicer if the loser of the competition was traded away, but that's probably not what is best for the team and it is deifnitely not a necessity.
When I put emotions aside, I can see your point and I think having BQ or Anderson as backup would be nice insurance... but this stuff will still be going on, unless the guy named the starter wins games and looks solid.... if not, it'll feel like a merry-go-round and might turn into a major PITA in terms of team chemistry.
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