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i guess if he hasnt separated himself from a QB with all the tools and was Pro Ready 3 years ago, thats a compliment to him?
and Jules...yea, last year i did waffle...i fell into the lets see what we have in Quinn thing, and i was pleased with him.
But where I stand on it right now...is that both of our QBs will provide the same product (in terms of success and ability)...yea theyll do it in a different style, but I think that both BQ and DA will be equally effective. If we go 7-9 with Quinn, i dont think we'd go 5-11 with anderson...or 9-7 for that matter. Maybe thats been missing in my thoughts...
If we go 7-9 with DA as a starter, i dont think we'd go 9-7 with Quinn, or 5-11 either...I think bth QBs with provide roughly the same amount of wins. So to say I like DA better, is just a choice...if i thought Quinn was better, but less likeable...id pull for Quinn to start because he'd be the better option. But i really honestly think that both QBs will provide the same end result...sure in a different way, but still same result.
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guess if he hasnt separated himself from a QB with all the tools and was Pro Ready 3 years ago, thats a compliment to him?
Huh?
If DA can't make any separation from Quinn , it means several things...
1- DA will always be inconsistant..
2-Quinn might be better in game situations then practice..
3-Neither are that good..
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Man, what a moron I am. I wondered so many times last year why we couldn't score when we got in the red zone. We'd get the ball moving, and then it would inevitably stall. I figured it was just poor play calling.
But what you're saying about DA not being great at the less than 20 yard throws makes so much sense. I swear, sometimes it's like I've never seen a football game before.
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but...couldnt it also be that theyre both doing a good job?
My thought is that EM is trying to find out who is the most complete QB...theyre both doing things that they arent particularly strong at, and neither of them have really shown that they can do everything particularly amazing...so its hard to separate.
but if they were doing their own thing, their own style it would be easy to separate themselves but it wouldnt give the picture of who is more complete.
Since neither is complete they dont separate. That doesnt mean they arent good, they just arent complete, and theyre equally as incomplete. so...that doesnt make em bad...just incomplete.
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But shouldn't Anderson be light years ahead of Quinn? I mean, he was, afterall, in the Pro Bowl? 
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but...couldnt it also be that theyre both doing a good job?
No..and you know that.
If they both were doing a good job,thenone would still be edging out in front of the other,.....fact is neither has distanced himself from the other...
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i guess if he hasnt separated himself from a QB with all the tools and was Pro Ready 3 years ago, thats a compliment to him?
I can't help but wonder where Quinn would be in his development if he had as many starts under his belt, including a full season where almost everybody stayed healthy....
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I have noticed that both of our end of half 2-minute drills have looked a lot better than any 2-minute drill last year, I'm hoping that is an indication of more disciplined and decisive coaching..
Considering we know that Crennel was a very poor head coach, not only in his in-game callings but his systems as well, combined with the fact that the offensive line was a joke, we didn't have any receivers, and oh yeah, Anderson was struggling and Quinn was horribly green, I'd imagine we couldn't look any worse 
All the rhetoric is indicative of the fact neither QB has done anything to win the job. We can (and have, and will continue to) argue the positives and negatives of each guy, but the one thing we now know to be a FACT isn't about the QB's, but rather about Mangini:
The QB competition was VERY real, and not some puppet-show that many thought it would be.
You there Diam?  HELLO........DIAM!?!? 
How do we know it's a fact? Because the book says now is the time to name a starter and move forward with that guy.
But we haven't.
I can make a case for either guy, and will understand it when Mangini makes his call, but he's been true to his word in this case. The competition has been fair, and it has been a competition.
Now if one of the guys would only step up and take the job instead of forcing the coaching staff to have to make a gut-wrenching decision based not on what they've done, but what they haven't done.
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Now if one of the guys would only step up and take the job instead of forcing the coaching staff to have to make a gut-wrenching decision based not on what they've done, but what they haven't done.
I'm pretty much at the point where I think that is impossible... Each guy has what, 4 or 5 more series tops this preseason... I will be extremely shocked if one does ANYTHING so significantly better than the other that we can even get close to a concensus...
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I agree...which is why I think they should just pick one and be done with it.
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Browns QB Brady Quinn has thrown four straight short passes to RB Jamal Lewis in the two-minute drill, but hasn't shown accuracy on tosses more than 20 yards throughout camp. He just overthrew Josh Cribbs long.
Browns QB Derek Anderson is improving his touch and accuracy on short passes in practice, but must transfer those skills into game performance. His high fastball to RB James Davis last Saturday resulted in a tip and INT.
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...Yes it concerns me Derek can make some bad decisions, but it also concerns me that BQ hasnt yet stood out to look better than Derek.
Your pro bowl QB hasn't done anything to oust Quinn either..if he was all that he'd be putting seperation on Quinn right now..fact is he's a known commodity..and what I know I don't like...easy to fall in luv with his arm..but he can't control it..he never has..he can't read rotating shifting complex coverages..he never has..he's only effective against press and man coverages..
It's concerning to me that Quinn hasn't stood out. We are hoping that Quinn will be a 'franchise' QB. We know what DA is (some of you think he is even worse then average) so it is much more concerning to me that they are close to even. If DA had separated himself from Quinn I would assume it is because DA improved quite a bit. The fact that he hasn't improved tells me Quinn isn't much better as well. 
My only hope is that Quinn is named the starter that he can light it up in the games. He doesn't seem to be much of a practice player but hopefully he will be a gamer.
BTW...My opinion is that he has out played DA in both games combined. His passing was good against Detroit but we didn't move the ball because of too many penalties. I also keep hearing the word 'consistency' which makes me think it will be Quinn.
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thats true, but that could just be the way the media is spinning it...both QBs did move the ball well in their respective starts so far in the preseason...so while it may not be as good as we hoped...i dont think its as bad as we seem to think
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Nothing new...just another one saying the same things....still, here it is: Quote:
Cleveland QB duel
August 26, 2009 2:30 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker
The Cleveland Browns remain one of a handful of teams that still must make a decision on a starting quarterback.
Here is a case for each candidate:
Anderson
The case for Derek Anderson: Starting Derek Anderson would make the Browns more dangerous offensively. His arm strength will keep defenses honest and away from stacking the box against the run, which is a major goal this season for Cleveland's offense.
When Anderson is hot and in rhythm, he can be one of the top 10-15 quarterbacks at throwing downfield 15 yards or more. He is one of the rare quarterbacks whose accuracy improves as he throws deeper downfield.
Anderson also remains the only known commodity at quarterback for Cleveland. Everyone has seen his ceiling and his floor. At his very best, Anderson's ability can take him to the Pro Bowl, as he did in 2007. At his worst, he's very turnover-prone. If Anderson is the choice, it will be up to the coaching staff to consistently get Good D.A. to show up every week for the team to be successful.
Quinn
The case for Brady Quinn: New Browns coach Eric Mangini said one of his biggest goals for the Browns this year is to play smart football, and Quinn fits that bill perfectly. Quinn is cerebral, makes quick reads and gets rid of the football. He has good pocket presence and is nimble enough to avoid sacks and make plays with his legs when necessary.
Although Quinn would argue differently, it's a proven fact that he hasn't completed a lot of deep throws in limited playing time in the NFL. Some scouts believe his arm strength is an issue. Others believe his accuracy on deep throws is the primary problem.
Quinn eventually must prove that he can make the big plays. But otherwise, he has all the intangibles and leadership you look for in a pro quarterback.
Verdict: Since watching the Browns implement their offense in the spring, I believed Cleveland's conservative scheme, more than anything else, would eventually help Quinn win the job. With two preseason games remaining, I'm holding firm to that prediction.
Anderson is a proven vertical threat. But Mangini despises turnovers and Anderson has thrown interceptions in every preseason game thus far. Anderson has the capability to win games single-handedly and lose games single-handedly -- that's part of the package a coach must be willing to accept.
But Mangini is not a high-risk, high-reward type of coach, which leads me to believe he will go with the safer quarterback in Quinn and try to win games this season in other ways.
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Hey as long as Quinn is putting up points I should be happy, but the fact is I CANNOT Remember Quinn putting up any points except for 1 game vs
Buffalo in 3 years.
So Everybody says he doesn't get the chance, well give him the chance, give him the whole pre-season game coming up, and the final preseason game if he is going to start opening day. Give him Opening day also.
Somehow give Quinn the chance so the argument has to go away that he hasn't gotten the chance.
He won't have a 300 yard passing day by week 17 of the regular season!
I really really wish I was wrong about that!
I'd say Anderson put up 10 points last week, and had an interception. Zero vs Green bay, Quinn is Zero in both games?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Here is a scenario. Not that I want to trade any QB's. If Anderson did win the competition, could we ship Quinn off for a second. Thigpen is being offered for a 5th, right now. Get Thigpen, grab the 2nd for Quinn and use that pick to get in position to draft Taylor Mays next year. Strong up the middle..indeed. And if Anderson sucks it up this year, you are now in a real good position to get McCoy, who I think has a chance to be real good. Wishfull thinking.
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If we trade our backup, what happens when the starter is hurt? I say we keep both this season.
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I know, and I agree we need to keep both....for now. I was just playing Madden GM for a minute. I thought that is what this thread was. lol.
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 I just had a small panic attack when I saw you trading away Quinn...or Anderson. Carry on...
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xanax is great for that...just ask Botch.
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Hey as long as Quinn is putting up points I should be happy, but the fact is I CANNOT Remember Quinn putting up any points except for 1 game vs
Buffalo in 3 years.
Well you have a poor memory, but that doesn't matter, I can't believe I read the last page of this nonsense well thread, knowing full well it is just DA is this Quinn is that I was right you were wrong babble.
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You guys kill me. One of you is willing to give Quinn 2 WHOLE games to prove how good he is. The other is already planning what he's gonna do with the picks and players he's gonna get when we trade him. I wouldn't bet a buck on who Mangini is gonna pick but what I do know is that you 2 are gonna whine all year if he picks Quinn. That I would bet on.......
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I didn't see you post a response to the original poster in regards to trading Anderson..or did I miss that? I was joking anyway as I stated more than once that I don't want to trade either at this time..You gotta chill man. Sure are protective of that Quinn, I thought that was Diams "BOY"! LOL
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I have said it before, I'll say it yet again. I do not care who starts at qb for the browns. What I do know is, neither DA nor Quinn will get any "oh, let's give him more time" crap from me.
Quinn has been in the league 3 years - going on, anyway. Anderson? 4, 5? Whoever starts, they get no leeway from me. For either one of them, it's time to put up or shut up.
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I actually don't think that the Browns will trade either guy. I think that Mangini will probably pick Quinn to start the season. I figure DA will end up playing some if not a lot of the games because we should have drafted Oher and left Mack on the board. And both guys will probably end up bruised, battered and possibly broken. I think that if you and THROW had any more wood for DA than you do now you two could be declared a National Forest. But, hey, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. 
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I think that if you and THROW had any more wood for DA than you do now you two could be declared a National Forest.
But, hey, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
LOL. Now that's funny! Then what would you call all the people with wood for Quinn???...GAY or San Francisco?
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I'd call them, Diam. Or smart.......
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man...this whole thing is way polarizing...
itd be nice if Mangini would just pick a QB...it really boils down to style, and while i agree with the most recently posted article...it could go the opposite.
Theres two ways it could go.
We know (sorta...because he hasnt hit his ceiling because he could manage to continue to improve) DA and what he can do and cant do...so we should play him because hes experienced (moreso than Quinn) and we can make do with what we have and know...
or...we dont know what we have in Quinn...and we could take that route...to see what we have in the youngster who hasnt had a lot of time to shine...He also has a skill set that we know for the most part...he takes care of the ball, and moves the chains and can take calculated risks that if are calculated carefully wont hurt us if they dont succeed.
Either way Browns fans...we're fine. We have 2 good QBs...its clear most everyone has a favorite...Some disliking the other contestant more than others...but i think we have two QBs that could be very good with time behind center...but...more importantly, uninterupted time (be it through competition, bad coaching decisions, concussions, or what not) behind center. We'll win no more or less games with either QB is my firm belief...will DA win us more games with his arm? maybe...but he'll lose an equal amount...quinn will put the team in a position to win more...but they'll lose us some too...
I think for our coach its how he wants it...Quinn will easilier allow the team to win or lose games where Anderson will do that all himself...what does Mangini trust more?
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If we trade our backup, what happens when the starter is hurt? I say we keep both this season.
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I think that if you and THROW had any more wood for DA than you do now you two could be declared a National Forest.
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And where is DA's value in your eyes? If you see Quinn getting us a 2nd in return, what do you see DA getting us?
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.....Definately Two first rounders! Maybe even Straight up for Peyton Manning! Wouldn't you agree? LOL.... Who cares! Seriously man it's a non issue.
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If we trade our backup, what happens when the starter is hurt? I say we keep both this season.
Same...Ratliff scares the crap out of me after watching him.
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Same...Ratliff scares the crap out of me after watching him.
I guess you have not been scared by any other QB's we have had in recent years because they all look the same.
Tim Couch looked as good as any we have right now but the one's we have now have a little bit more to work with! 
I will go out on the limb right now and say if BQ is not the starter at the beginning of the season he will be either a Denver or Tampa Bay QB before years end.
If BQ is the starter DA will be the backup he should be. 
I remain amazed that anyone that have watched the Brown's for the last couple of years can have the slightest thought that DA has what it takes to be a franchise QB. With BQ we have no idea? 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Did Tim Couch not get the Browns to a playoff game,...?? 
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IMO, this game with TN should go a long way to deciding who we start against the Vikes.
I really think we start BQ against the Titans.. DA has already seen tough competition. The Titans are the best team we are going to play in pre season.
And after the game, we need to make our choice and move forward. We have no need whatsoever to trade either one away, I remember who played against the bungles last December.. Gradkowski was painful to watch.
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Did Tim Couch not get the Browns to a playoff game,...??
Since the return, we have NEVER beaten the Steelers without Tim Couch as our QB.
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Since the return, we have NEVER beaten the Steelers without Tim Couch as our QB.
so, we sign Couch to be our 4th QB on the practice squad but activate him for the Steelers week and start him 
just like that Texas A&M QB the past few years who was horrible and did nothing against anyone else....but was 2-1 versus the Longhorns
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Well a different slant on the QB subject.
1. Has anyone seen Ratliff and Bartel play? Are you really comfortable having either being the guy to rest the season on in case there is an injury to BQ?
2. Granted both probably are improvements on Dorsey...But In lieu of that fact - I don't think DA has a RAT's Behind chance of being traded away.
3. UNLESS....somebody has a GREAT NEED and they make an offer for DA that we cannot refuse.
I just really don't see us Dumping DA for a 3rd, 4th, etc. rounder.
JMHO - and it won't be as if BQ will let his play be altered because somebody is there breathing down his neck. Actually if DA is named the starter I can see BQ having to go cause we all know DA can't work under that kind of pressure.  Geesh...it scares me that we haven't made the decision yet.
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