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Yeah must love that Pyrite...lol 
Improvement...take a step back and look at DA - he's the same QB he's always been - he repeats all of his mistakes. College...07...08 27 starts I don't see this progressive Improvement that you have imagined. Possibly he looks better in making the same mistakes over n over. He still is probably the only QB that has started in the NFL the last 5 years that cannot maintain 50% accuracy with his passes of 10 yard or less. If you think an improvement of 52% is going to get us anywhere you are just fooling yourself.
And he is NOWHERE as accurate on his Long Passes as has been portrayed.
2006 NY Giants 16 77.0 301 522 57.7 3244 202.8 6.2 24 18 25 21 1.3 0.8 0 25 186 9 2
2007 NY Giants 16 73.9 297 529 56.1 3336 208.5 6.3 23 20 29 69 4.3 2.4 1 27 217 13 7
2008 NY Giants 16 86.4 289 479 60.3 3238 202.4 6.8 21 10 20 10 0.6 0.5 1 27 174 5 2
Career Totals (Full) 73 76.1 1276 2284 55.9 14623 200.3 6.4 98 74 109 215 2.9 2.0 3 120 844 39 14
Those are the stats for Eli Manning..granted he is not the best QB but still for comparisons sake.
The first two seasons...32 GAMES. he had a 57% and a 56% percentage. He had 47 TD's versus 38 int's...throw a SuperBowl in there. His third season...after 32 games of starting he had his first 60 % season. If not getting you anywhere is a SuperBowl...I would like to not get anywhere.. Oh yeah, they had a nice defense too.
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When you are talking about a body of work as a whole, you can bring up 07' . Was there an 08' season? lol When people talk about big games, or not sustaining drives...it is only fitting.
If you are talking about a body of work, you must include 2008. You can't pick the half good season or the entire bad and make them the complete picture. You like to pick the good games of 2007 and say that's who Anderson is. 
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When I am responding to a poster about DA that he doesn't sustain drives and so forth or loses against better teams..I can include 2007. You want to talk about big games with big lights we can talk about the 08' Giants game. Or that he had 4 TD to 1 int against Pittsburgh in 07.. which are pretty big games too.
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Sure, we can all pick and choose games to fit our agenda. But, as a whole, DA is NOT a good QB. Carry on...
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Please somebody show me Brady Quinns Best game ever.
Was it in college vs USC?
Answer this. Suppose DA gets injured out for the year. Quinn starts the entire season 16 games mostly healthy.
The Browns get shut out ( zero points ) in 7 games and don't put more than 20 on the board the other 9 games.
Will Quinn still need more time then?
Those numbers are my perception of Quinn's point total average when he's in, in games.
OF COURSE I must be Totally wrong so SOMEBODY show me Quinns best game. His best game ever. The one I missed, and have forgotten about.
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The Browns get shut out ( zero points ) in 7 games and don't put more than 20 on the board the other 9 games.
Those numbers are my perception of Quinn's point total average when he's in, in games.
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No kidding! I don't even know what to say to that moronic nonsense. 
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I believe his best game was at BYU in 2005.
BYU (Oct. 22) 41 32 78.0 467 6 0 11.4 222.0
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at Air Force (Nov. 11) 19 14 73.7 207 4 0 10.9 234.7
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Michigan (Sep. 16) 48 24 50.0 234 3 3 4.9 99.1
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at LSU (Jan. 3) 35 15 42.9 148 2 2 4.2 85.8
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USC (Oct. 15) 35 19 54.3 264 1 1 7.5 121.4
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at Ohio State (Jan. 2) 45 29 64.4 286 0 0 6.4 117.8
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When you are talking about a body of work as a whole, you can bring up 07' . Was there an 08' season? lol When people talk about big games, or not sustaining drives...it is only fitting.
If you are talking about a body of work, you must include 2008. You can't pick the half good season or the entire bad and make them the complete picture. You like to pick the good games of 2007 and say that's who Anderson is.
Correct. We/you/they would also be best served if they took into account how the TEAM played, as well.
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Thanks Loyaldog, for the answer, well at least I read he does have one 300 yard game, the listed vs BYU. all those laughing symbols, Show me how those, my projection of a Quinn 16 start healthy season wih 7 shutouts, and 9 games between 3 and 20 point totals. Show me how that doesn't reflect what he has done so far as a Brown? And again, what is Quinn's best game ever? I hope Quinn shuts me up, throws for 3 td's tonight.
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I hope Quinn shuts me up, throws for 3 td's tonight.
Good God, so do I.
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Anytime...and like you I hope Brady does something to say he is the one...something besides he looks good in the pocket...How about some points. Afterall, it doesn't matter how you look back there, ask Bernie. Who by the way was less than 60% career as a passer.
Maybe you can tell me how many Bowl games he has won? What about big game wins? Isn't that somes knock on Anderson...he does great against bad teams, but isn't good against better teams.
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Show me how that doesn't reflect what he has done so far as a Brown?
Brady Quinn has played 2 full regular season games for the Browns.
30 points against Denver and 27 points against Buffalo.
Went over 20 points in his two games, wasn't shut out in any.
Now, YOU show ME how your statements make any sense.
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I hope Quinn shuts me up, throws for 3 td's tonight.
I just hope whatever happens tonight, it shuts you up.
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I hope Quinn shuts me up, throws for 3 td's tonight.
Good God, so do I.
sorry TL, but I chuckled. 
I can't wait 'til this QB debate is over. Seriously, wish Mangini would name the starter on Monday so we can get things in gear. It feels like one looooong QB debate for the last eight years - with about 10 QBs in the mix and three or four HCs.
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name the starter on Monday so we can get things in gear. It feels like one looooong QB debate for the last eight years - with about 10 QBs in the mix and three or four HCs.
In the past 6 years...
Holcomb vs. Couch
Dilfer vs. Frye
Frye vs. Anderson
Anderson vs. Quinn
Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Mangini
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name the starter on Monday so we can get things in gear. It feels like one looooong QB debate for the last eight years - with about 10 QBs in the mix and three or four HCs.
In the past 6 years...
Holcomb vs. Couch
Dilfer vs. Frye
Frye vs. Anderson
Anderson vs. Quinn
Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Mangini
And a team that, basically, is in disarray. Do the math.
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wasnt McCown thrown in there too? and Garcia 
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wasnt McCown thrown in there too? and Garcia
Ugh. I forgot about McCown and Garcia
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You're allowed to have your favorite QB in this competition. Why can't I have mine?
i have no problem with that. it's one thing to root for one a qb but it's another to bash on the one you don't support. they're both browns and we all want the same thing: a decent qb.
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Quinn's college stats are located here He had ten 300 yard games from 2004-2006 at ND.
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it's one thing to root for one a qb but it's another to bash on the one you don't support.
And you haven't done that?? GMAB 
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i have no problem with that. it's one thing to root for one a qb but it's another to bash on the one you don't support. they're both browns and we all want the same thing: a decent qb
If someone bashes on a qb there has to be something to back that up. We have been watching DA for 2 years and I for one am tired of it.. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have watched the tired DA show for 2 years and I believe there is nore out there and we have one on the roster right now who may give us that or may not. If not, we need to find out.
Why is that so hard to understand! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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it's one thing to root for one a qb but it's another to bash on the one you don't support.
And you haven't done that?? GMAB
i haven't. i've posted plenty, go ahead and look.
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haven't. i've posted plenty, go ahead and look.
You have said that you will support whoever starts but you lean toward DA and it makes everyone suspect that you will support DQ. I find it hard, and I wish I really could understand anyone who supports an average at best QB to run their team and not look for something better.
Now you may not think that DA is average {and I'm really giving him the benefit of the doubt} but if you don't think its time to look in another direction I question your desire for betterment of this team.
I'm not saying that DQ is that betterment, but we JUST DON'T KNOW.
If you think DA needs another year to win a championship appreciate your opinion but we drafted a #1 pick and after sitting the bench for 2 years he needs to show us what he has.
I know you will deal with BQ as the QB but still have reservations. But it is time we find out what we have and any desention will not help improve out position in the AFC North. We need a definate leader of this offense until the decision you will agree we are screwed.
I believe we can both agreed on this, 
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I wish I really could understand anyone who supports an average at best QB to run their team and not look for something better.
it's because i know that when DA is at his best, he's a top 5 qb and i've seen the incremental improvement to hope that he can, one day, consistently perform at his top.
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I'm not saying that DQ is that betterment, but we JUST DON'T KNOW.
i have a fundamental issue with that argument. if you don't know about something, it doesn't mean you need to do something *just* to find out. now, if practice and preseason shows there is reason to put him in, great, but just because we don't know what we have in a player, we need to make him a starter, hell that's a terrible argument. i remember when brandon rideau was a preseason favorite. how would you have felt if the argument was "we don't know what we have in him, we need to make him our #4 receiver!" it just doesn't make any sense.
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You have said that you will support whoever starts but you lean toward DA and it makes everyone suspect that you will support DQ.
hell yea i'd support either qb. i saw the highlights and quinn looked damn good tonight. i'm ecstatic to see that because it means there's hope. the best part about quinn tonight was he checked down when appropriate (based on the highlights) but kept his eyes downfield. the td pass to edwards was awesome.
DA also completed a high percentage and apparently he threw a near td to edwards, who got on foot in, and another where edwards turned the wrong way (according to the article i read)? i also saw him throw a soft slant to edwards that resulted in a first down.
all i know is i'd much rather have a tough competition than have one person get the job because the other was so terrible (something i think many thought would happen).
at least you get me. i appreciate it.
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The problem is that DA is only at his best against weaker opponents, with the exception of the NYG game. I think DA is the back up this year. Quinn gets the nod.
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it's because i know that when DA is at his best, he's a top 5 qb and i've seen the incremental improvement to hope that he can, one day, consistently perform at his top.
BQ had a QB rating of 121, when was the last time DA had that? I have to question the top 5 QB opinion you have. Please show me proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has one good game and then falls apart and throws interceptions. Do you really want that for a QB? No consistency there. 
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i have a fundamental issue with that argument. if you don't know about something, it doesn't mean you need to do something *just* to find out. now, if practice and preseason shows there is reason to put him in, great, but just because we don't know what we have in a player, we need to make him a starter, hell that's a terrible argument. i remember when brandon rideau was a preseason favorite. how would you have felt if the argument was "we don't know what we have in him, we need to make him our #4 receiver!" it just doesn't make any sense.
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hell yea i'd support either qb
If we are being totally honest with each other, you are a bigger man than I am because I know DA is not the one that going to lead us to where we want to go and I can say that with 100% certaincy. If you think either one of them can do that then I hope you're right. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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and we have one on the roster right now who may give us that or may not. If not, we need to find out.
And if he is better, he should win the job outright in an open competition ....
Which he may, or may not, have already done.
I really hate the whole "We just don'r know" argument. Hell .... we "just don't know" about aur vackup DL either. That doesn't mean that they're going to be starters. Players fighting for a job must stand out. Rarely are jobs given to players because they haven't shown anything.
I will use 2 players as an example here: James Davis and Maiava. Both guys have made themselves impossible to miss, I bet the coach is very aware of each guy, and that each guy will get opportunities this year.
Josh Cribbs is another guy I feel really jelped his cause this pre-season. He made plays. Then, for good measure, he made some more.
These are 3 guys who ot wll; be impossible for the coaches not to discuss. 2 of them are likely to have major roles on oiffense. Neither QB has really had an impactful game like that thus far.(though, last night was a very good game for each)
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Are u a bit more satisfied with Quinn's YPA last night???
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I thought that Quinn played a very good game last night, and also said so in the gameday thread.
I also thought that Anderson played well.
I didn't really understand the QB rotatioin last night .... but I'll trust that Mangini had his reasons.
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DA vs Quinn Quinn vs DA I am sick of this topic......everyone has been saying the same things for months now.....UGH! I think right now TB and KC are both possible destinations for whoever we need to get rid of....I dont think you can keep both on the roster after the starter has been named....the fans, media will chomp at the bit the second one makes a mistage while their choice sits on the bench.
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Quinn is going to be named the starter after last nights game. BECAUSE of that, Anderson won't be the most popular player on the team (ergo, backup QB cliche). In this league, you gotta have 2 decent QB's. It can be argued we don't know if we have one good one, but we DO know we have two decent ones.
Having said that, TB is trying to get RID of a QB, not add one. Furthermore, KC is also shopping Thigpen. Again, they aren't looking to add. They are looking to subtract.
It doesn't matter though. We aren't getting rid of either guy. Mangini isn't that stupid.
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I thought that Cassell got seriously hurt?
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hehe ummmm......never mind then 
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Having said all that, and having seen their backup QB's play, and having seen how their offensive line has played, you're probably right in suggesting they'll need another QB
I can't think of many times in my lifetime of watching football that I've said I'd rather be a Browns fan than a Chiefs fan. I'm sayin' it right now *L*
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