Quote: Wow... Dude's not even in the ground yet. Real classy...
Mary Jo Kopechne has been in the ground since 1969 when she was 29 years old and Teddy went on to live a very privileged life until he was 77 years old without ever paying an ounce of penalty for what he did... You'll excuse me if I'm not all that concerned about a little political incorrectness directed at him.
Quote: Wow... Dude's not even in the ground yet. Real classy...
Mary Jo Kopechne has been in the ground since 1969 when she was 29 years old and Teddy went on to live a very privileged life until he was 77 years old without ever paying an ounce of penalty for what he did... You'll excuse me if I'm not all that concerned about a little political incorrectness directed at him.
Ditto.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I guess we must have been raised differently then... Where I grew up, I was taught that death was the "Great Equalizer" in life and that, once a man died, there's no sense in kicking him anymore.
Have it your way though, chief.
[color:"white"]"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Gee DC....wouldn't life be just Grand if we were all like Browns Lifer??? That would be Swell !!!! He is so much better than all of us. A shining beacon to aspire to. We are blessed he chose this board to spend his time on.....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
Quote: Reckon you are just a better person than me then.
Better? Far from it, I'm sure... Different? It would appear so...
Quote: But it's good to know that you don't have any ill words for Hitler or Stalin...
Nah... history has had it's say on those guys. What else needs to be said? Nice attempt at an insult, BTW... Predictable and childish. Just the way I like 'em.
Look, Ted Kennedy has gone on to meet his Maker. I'm fully confident God will administer any judgement he earned here on earth accordingly (as He will for all of us). As far as I'm concerned, the Senator's eternal fate is in His hands now and that is resolution enough for me.
[color:"white"]"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
It wasn't an insult.. to you or Ted Kennedy, just trying to find out what kind of bad things somebody has to do before you can bring them up after they are dead..
Quote: Predictable and childish.
See, you ARE better than me. You are neither judgmental, nor predicatable, nor childish.
Quote: Look, Ted Kennedy has gone on to meet his Maker. I'm fully confident God will administer any judgement he earned here on earth accordingly (as He will for all of us). As far as I'm concerned, the Senator's eternal fate is in His hands now and that is resolution enough for me.
I fully agree with that... 100%. That still doesn't change MY opinion of what he did while here, the lives he ruined, the laws he skirted because of his privilege, and how he never paid any kind of penalty for it.
Just seems odd to me that on a board where people talk about taking personal responsibility being the highest sign of character and where people decry folks who get special treatment because they can afford it or are from a privileged class etc... that Ted Kennedy seems to get a pass.
What Ted did is as reprehensible today as it was 40 years ago, whether he's dead or not.
Quote: It wasn't an insult.. to you or Ted Kennedy, just trying to find out what kind of bad things somebody has to do before you can bring them up after they are dead..
C'mon DC... I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night. If you were really interested in finding out/discussing if I would apply the same principle to Hitler or Stalin you could've just asked. IIRC, your response wasn't exactly a question now, was it?
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Quote: Predictable and childish.
See, you ARE better than me. You are neither judgmental, nor predicatable, nor childish.
Nah... but I will freely admit that I am or have been ALL those things because in one very important way I'm just like you DC: a fallible human being. My apologies for any offense my remarks have caused you.
Quote: I fully agree with that... 100%. That still doesn't change MY opinion of what he did while here, the lives he ruined, the laws he skirted because of his privilege, and how he never paid any kind of penalty for it.
Just seems odd to me that on a board where people talk about taking personal responsibility being the highest sign of character and where people decry folks who get special treatment because they can afford it or are from a privileged class etc... that Ted Kennedy seems to get a pass.
What Ted did is as reprehensible today as it was 40 years ago, whether he's dead or not.
Wow... all this from a disagreement over whether or not a posthumous joke was funny or not? I can see you feel very strongly about this. Perhaps it would be best if we agreed to disagree on this one too, eh (... recalling our discussion about the behavioral effects of clothing where school children are concerned)?
[color:"white"]"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Quote: just trying to find out what kind of bad things somebody has to do before you can bring them up after they are dead..
I've always wondered the same thing. Famous people pass and then folks/media go on the their biography and legacy kick recalling all the good history of a person and not knowing, forgetting or even worse, IMHO, dismissing the bad.
How many Mary Jo's does it take to tarnish a legacy? A large glass of water only needs one drop of poison to taint the whole glass of water.
For those that want to know the price Teddy paid for the Mary Jo thing,, I'll tell you, after that, any shot at running for president went right out the door.
I know,, don't say it, she died, he went on to serve the public for 40 years.. doesn't sound equitable does it..
#GMSTRONG
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
For those that want to know the price Teddy paid for the Mary Jo thing,, I'll tell you, after that, any shot at running for president went right out the door.
That's hardly a "price to pay", especially when you consider his name is the only thing that would've enabled that - and even more so when you consider his name is what kept him in the senate for.....30, 40, 50 years?
His name got him out of trouble, and his name kept him employed......with great health insurance, I might add.
Ok, I am a little younger than some of you,waaaaaay younger than a few of you . Can someone refresh me on what happened with ted Kennedy and the girl he killed or whatever the story was?
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
This isn't an accusation from Ted Kennedy's political opponents, but a nostalgic remembrance by one of his friends. Ed Klein, former Newsweek editor, tells the Diane Rehm Show:
"I dont know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick? That is just the most amazing thing. Its not that he didnt feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too."
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Can someone explain the "funny side" of Chappaquiddick to me? Dave
Quote: Ok, I am a little younger than some of you,waaaaaay younger than a few of you . Can someone refresh me on what happened with ted Kennedy and the girl he killed or whatever the story was? KING
This is why I wrote what I wrote. People either don't know (too young), or people don't remember (people old likw my sorry butt ), or people who just dismiss that it ever happened (pretty much the entire media).
If it was you, me or anyone on this board, we get convicted of manslaughter in addition to the great punishment of "leaving the scene".
If it was you, me or anyone on this board, we get convicted of manslaughter in addition to the great punishment of "leaving the scene".
Honestly, I think the difference has as much to do with it being 1969 as it does with being Ted Kennedy.
I wish the Stallworth thread was still around so that I could compare the responses on here with the responses to the Stallworth incident.....maybe we should save this thread for the next time a thread on Laura Bush comes up.
When she was seventeen she ran stop sign and accidentally killed someone.
She wasn't charged.
I'm not saying it was the same situation, or that she's a bad person or anything....I'm saying that in that situation, as with the Donte Stallworth situation, I'd expect a lot of the analysis here to be non-consistent.....
and that is humorous to me.
i'm sure there's some republican out there who's a much better match to the kennedy situation, laura bush was just the first that came to the top of my head
i'm sure there's some republican out there who's a much better match to the kennedy situation, laura bush was just the first that came to the top of my head
What's humorous to me is that you need to look for "some republican out there who's a much better match to the Kennedy situation..." instead of just looking at the Kennedy situation.
What's humorous to me is that you need to look for "some republican out there who's a much better match to the Kennedy situation..." instead of just looking at the Kennedy situation.
i didn't look...that's why i just threw out the name that came to the top of my head....
this wasn't even supposed to be an anti-republican thing....part of the humor would probably be how Phil and mac would have reacted (where is that guy anyway?)
Real classy... 
I can see you feel very strongly about this. Perhaps it would be best if we agreed to disagree on this one too, eh (... recalling our discussion about the behavioral effects of clothing where school children are concerned)? 
), or people who just dismiss that it ever happened (pretty much the entire media).
