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Wow, first they want to control talk radio and now the internet...  web page
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I heard about this either yesterday, or this morning.
There is absolutely no way in hell that this should be permitted, ever. Not even Dubya was stupid enough to pursue something like this.
I cannot fathom a scenario that would require this, of course, that is aside from the nefarious.
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I heard about this either yesterday, or this morning.
There is absolutely no way in hell that this should be permitted, ever. Not even Dubya was stupid enough to pursue something like this.
I cannot fathom a scenario that would require this, of course, that is aside from the nefarious.
I think it's just to help control all those bad things people are saying about the healthcare bill they where trying to jam though congress. In seriousness, I think you know purp how hard it'd be to control all the routers to give somebody complete control.
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As an airman in the USAF, the branch of service that polices cyberspace for the government, you have absolutley no idea what we can do. 
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When the Patriot Act was passed, many on the left called it facsist and dangerous. Between the so called Fairness Doctrine Part Deux and this bill ...... plus the Presidential EMail Alert Squad ..... I am leaning towards the belief that fascism is indeed beginning ... and it's beginning on the left of the political spectrum. People thought that the Patriot Act was "scary" and "infringed on peoples' rights"? Some of the current administrations proposals downright crush rights. Of course .... I guess as long as we get free health care and stuff ......  I still can't believe that this guy, with damn near no experience and no real plans got elected. "But he gave a damn good speech ...... I felt inspired ......." 
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As 214 alluded to - routers & firewalls are programmable entities - they can be controlled enmasse quite easily.
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Makes sense...shut down a means for FREE people to communicate.
In any war ever fought, disrupting lines of communication is high on the list.
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I believe I read this bill was proposed by one guy and has absolutely no support. Either way, I think its pure crap and shouldn't pass and I HIGHLY doubt it will.
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I couldn't support anything like this..
The article says that Sen. Jay Rockafellers staff has been working on this for months,, Doesn't seem like there is much support for it outside of a few folks and I'm glad of that.
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Much like Iran did with the election demonstrations when people were twittering to communicate.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I believe I read this bill was proposed by one guy and has absolutely no support. Either way, I think its pure crap and shouldn't pass and I HIGHLY doubt it will.
They could easily bury it in an appropriations bill. They do this kind of thing all the time. They put it in a bill for necessary spending buried deep in legal jargon. The congress then has to pass it so that necessary funding goes where needed.
IMO, this is just another way of censoring the public.
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who (tf) penned this silly-ass piece of nonsense?
I don't believe there is any way in hell that this legislation could be passed into law.
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I am always amused in new ways conservatives find to pee their pants.
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Disrupting communications isn't new. It is a very old tactic.
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I believe in a time of war on US soil, the Interstate system would be designated for Military Use Only as well.
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I'd rather see our government impose self-rule in regards to the internet's security by placing it under the U.S. President as oppose to China, Brazil, India, Russia and Saudi Arabia wishes to place control under the United Nations. I guess the conservative fear-mongers have a different agenda.
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I wonder if in 3/12 years, if any rights will be left, outside of the right to pay 60% tax rate because of the 20 Trillion he's spent. People have no clue, this guy is way beyond a socialist, he's already getting into some pretty dangerous territory, and he's only been in here a few months. God help us, seriously. 
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I'd rather see our government impose self-rule in regards to the internet's security by placing it under the U.S. President as oppose to China, Brazil, India, Russia and Saudi Arabia wishes to place control under the United Nations. I guess the conservative fear-mongers have a different agenda.
I'd rather see our government keep its paws off every damn thing in this country.
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I am always amused in new ways conservatives find to pee their pants.
I am always amused at how the liberals want the government to tell them when they can pee their pants! 
If I want to pee my pants, I will do so when I damn well feel like it, not when the government tells me I can or can't.
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Makes sense...shut down a means for FREE people to communicate.
In any war ever fought, disrupting lines of communication is high on the list.
Absolutely ... don't want anybody spreading misinformation now do we? 
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I still can't believe that this guy, with damn near no experience and no real plans got elected. "But he gave a damn good speech ......
Not to mention those friends of his that just love this country! Hell, with his associations, he couldn't even have passed an Extended Background Investigation to work in any of the classified facilities around the states. Yet here he is, now privy to the most sensitive information our country possesses. I am hoping I wake up tomorrow and it is only a bad dream ... 
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I'd join you conservatives but not only don't I think you can walk the walk concerning limited government interference, but I don't even think you can talk the talk - at least not for your own selves. It quite easy to see right through your concerns for individual freedom - they begin and end with a reflection on this administration. For years you folks have been missing in action and so when I see you're willing to go beyond party lines to fight the fight, then I'll begin to take you seriously.
Now since were so concerned about government interference with our internet, without pointing fingers here on who did what, why shouldn't we be able to use our bank's (or credit union in my case) website or automated phone service to freely transfer funds from our savings to checking accounts just like we can do in person at the bank's physical location? Seems to me this affects a lot more people than the trumped up outrage about a bill going nowhere and that at least puts control within America.
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I'd join you conservatives but not only don't I think you can walk the walk concerning limited government interference, but I don't even think you can talk the talk - at least not for your own selves. It quite easy to see right through your concerns for individual freedom - they begin and end with a reflection on this administration. For years you folks have been missing in action and so when I see you're willing to go beyond party lines to fight the fight, then I'll begin to take you seriously.
That's delusional. Most conservatives on this board spoke out against GW's spending like a drunken sailor. What's missing in action is the librage....you know, the ones that screamed how the patriot act was infringing on our freedom? They're strangely silent now.  Talk about not crossing party lines.
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why shouldn't we be able to use our bank's (or credit union in my case) website or automated phone service to freely transfer funds from our savings to checking accounts just like we can do in person at the bank's physical location?
I think you need to change banks. Both of my banks allow this.
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I am always amused in new ways conservatives find to pee their pants.
I am always amused at how the liberals want the government to tell them when they can pee their pants!
If I want to pee my pants, I will do so when I damn well feel like it, not when the government tells me I can or can't.
Funny how conservatives think the liberals want the gov't to invade their lives, yet both parties do it. For example, drug legalization. What business is it of theirs if someone wants to get high in their own house. Isn't that gov't telling them what to do? Yet, that is a liberal viewpoint. Same with gay marriage... The gov't telling two people who love each other whether or not they can actually prove it on paper...
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Shoot, you could take it all the way to redlights on street corners. Somebody telling me I have to stop?? The nerve. I will stop when I want.
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why shouldn't we be able to use our bank's (or credit union in my case) website or automated phone service to freely transfer funds from our savings to checking accounts just like we can do in person at the bank's physical location?
I think you need to change banks. Both of my banks allow this.
Yep, he needs a new bank, I move money between checking and saving, investments, pay bills online(saves me money not buying checks or stamps), etc.. All free.
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I don't mind paying a fee for that....what I don't like is if you write a check, stores do the scan and the money is withdrawn from your account instantly. When you go to deposit a check, it take 2-3 days for the money to be deposited in to your account.
Now that ticks me off.
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You can and he can't??
This is obviously a Republican conspiracy to create classes of 'Haves' and 'Have Nots'.
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My understanding is that the small scanners in the store are not scanning and withdrawing, but scanning the check numbers to confirm it's legitimacy.
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My understanding is that the small scanners in the store are not scanning and withdrawing, but scanning the check numbers to confirm it's legitimacy.
The scanners get the info, once the 'deposit' of the electronic checks is done the money gets withdrawn. Technically, there really isn't a way for those machines to verify account numbers for any bank that may be on the check because each bank has it's own rules about what is valid and what isn't.
Also, when you deposit a check yell at your bank for sitting on that money and not giving it to you. Most of the time they get a credit for it in 1-2 days.
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My rant about banks... when I was younger and operating on a shoestring budget... I would often be forced to try to get money in the bank in the nick of time to cover a check I had written.. yea I know that's not the smart way to do it but anyway... it always bugged me that invariably a deposit and a withdrawal would hit on the same day but the way the bank did it, the withdrawal ALWAYS hit first so the money wouldn't have been credited yet... the check bounces, then they immediately record the deposit and take out their bounced check fee.
Since it was all automated anyway and it was all batch processed at the end of the day... why couldn't they set up the batch deposits to go first?
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If your banks are in the U.S. there are federal restrictions covering internet and phone transfers from savings to checking that can cost you money - just ask either bank about Regulation D.
It is this crap that I'm talking about in regards towards government involvement in our personal matters. It is fine that you are against government spending, but on the broader topic of such unwarrented government intervention, I don't see most conservatives as being in the trenches - and now are only there after being pushed by those with partisan political objectives.
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People have no clue, this guy is way beyond a socialist
I swear, some people need to crack a textbook and learn some definitions.
The guy doesn't even sniff socialist...not even close. Not by a mile.
He's dealing in fascism...almost to the letter.
America has been trending more and more towards fascist policy since World War II...certain presidents have sped up the process more than others...Nixon, Reagan, W., Obama are among the worst offenders...Clinton was fairly bad as well.
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People have no clue, this guy is way beyond a socialist
I swear, some people need to crack a textbook and learn some definitions.
You need to crack open a history book, and learn some actual implementations of socialism.
Sure, if you go by the textbook definition of socialist ... Obama is not. Of course, outside of the Amish ... has any one government ever been truly socialist? Most "socialist" governments go the Animal Farm route pretty quickly, and rather than a Capitalistic society of haves and have-nots, you have a Governmental system of haves and have-nots. Basically, this is what ends up happening in practice. So when people say "socialism", they are talking about what happens in reality ... which tends to be closer to fascism anyway.
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I see what you're saying, and though I don't completely agree, there's certainly some validity there...however...
So far, almost every notable decision he has made while in office has involved taking money from the people, and handing it over to private corporations.
I don't really understand how 'socialism' even makes an appearance, outside of the Hannity/Beck/Limbaugh nonsensical rhetoric.
Like I've said often, thus far, Obama is barely different than Bush...barely. And I can't remember once in eight years hearing someone call Bush a 'socialist'...didn't hear it when he bailed out the airline industry, didn't hear it when he bailed out the banks, didn't hear it with his pharm deals....Obama is doing a pretty solid Bush impersonation thus far into his tenure...and yet the rhetoric lambasting/defending the two has completely changed.
Basically...whenever I hear someone call Obama a 'socialist', I pretty much stop listening right there. It's a big red flag that shows they have little to no idea what they're talking about.
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So far, almost every notable decision he has made while in office has involved taking money from the people, and handing it over to private corporations.
Not all that true ... Sure the companies themselves are "private", but who's really getting the money?
Look at the bailout of the auto-industry. Where did most of that money go to? Not the executives, who got their salary pretty much fixed. Not the stock-holders who are now holding shares worth pennies ... mostly the labor-unions and other special interests associated with auto-makers. I'd hardly call that "private corporations".
The banks got bailed, but they also were forced into more government control because of it. More of a government hostile take over rather than a private money grab. Again, more salary and benefit restrictions and penny stocks. Who on the "private" side is really making out?
Real-estate lenders didn't really get bailed either ... the only two that really got help or money were Fannie and Freddie ... both government entities.
Also, most of these "bail-outs" involved setting up a new government entity or creating some sort of "czar" to "oversee" the spending of the money. In many cases, the money hasn't even been spent ... it's just sitting there waiting to get spent. Which makes you wonder if some more government bureaucracies will get set up to make sure that money gets "spent".
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Thank you. I'm sick to death of Phil quibbling about the strictest of definitions. Phil, you know exactly what people are talking about and trying to convey. You want to derail the conversation for some reason....I think I know why.  We all know it isn't the perfect interpretation but, we know what people are complaining about, and so do you.
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Like I've said often, thus far, Obama is barely different than Bush...barely. And I can't remember once in eight years hearing someone call Bush a 'socialist'...didn't hear it when he bailed out the airline industry, didn't hear it when he bailed out the banks, didn't hear it with his pharm deals....
You must not of been listening very well then. Most people I know were saying "Bush spends money like a drunken liberal" when it came to his spending habits.
The airline bailout is the one I can sort of understand. Sure, there was a good deal of mismanagement that helped the airline industry get into trouble. But the biggest reason they were in financial disarray was a terrorist attack that killed the tourism industry. They were going to need a little outside help to stay solvent after that.
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We all know it isn't the perfect interpretation but, we know what people are complaining about, and so do you.
I don't think they they know what they're complaining about.
Currently in this country, I overwhelmingly see two sides -- those who act like Obama is on the ball, humming along, and bringing real change to this country...and those who rant about 'socialism' and government takeover.
And as far as I can tell, it's a coin flip as to who's more laughable.
Obama isn't bringing about any change, and corporations took over this country long ago.
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