"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
It's ok, most people who watch his show are anti-intellectual anyways ... correct spellings aren't required.They get the gist, and that's all that matters.
Same thing he does every day PDR, he's preaching to the choir. He's also introducing new vocabulary for people to shout at townhall meetings. "We're afraid of Obama! He's a socialist/communist/oligarch/anything-else-that-has-a-bad-connotation-to-it!"
I'd love to see MSNBC and Fox switch people for one day, just to see what die hard watchers of each channel would do. Not watch, more than likely. People hate ideas that don't match up with their own.
"Ask questions, Ask questions! Here are all the questions that we have...from just today. We have more"
"One letter is missing. Why did I select these words? Because ACORN selects TIDES....they all select the..their their words first, and then tie them all together into one word. Oligarch!(Oligarh) The que...the one that's missing, is Y."
Wow...i still can't figure out what he's trying to say with the TIDES part? Titles?
~Lyuokdea
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Quote: Wow...i still can't figure out what he's trying to say with the TIDES part? Titles?
The Tides Foundation is a non-profit fund raiser that has been in bed with ACORN for a long time and they have had some... questionable financial dealings between them.
The Tides Foundation is a non-profit fund raiser that has been in bed with ACORN for a long time and they have had some... questionable financial dealings between them.
Ah thank you....i was familiar with ACORN but not TIDES.....still not sure what he's talking about though.....
~Lyuokdea
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
The Tides Foundation is a non-profit fund raiser that has been in bed with ACORN for a long time and they have had some... questionable financial dealings between them.
Ah thank you....i was familiar with ACORN but not TIDES.....still not sure what he's talking about though.....
~Lyuokdea
But it hasn't stopped you from having an opinion, has it?
It's probably one of them stream of consciousness things where you'd need to be a regular viewer to get all of the innuendo... or something like that. He didn't make a lot of sense at all in this video.
I like a lot of what he writes, but of the couple of videos I've seen posted on here from his TV show, he's a little out of his noggin. I kinda hate to say that because a good friend of my brother fills in for him from time to time, but videos like this one and the CARS website one are just goofy as hell. I doubt that every show is like that, but it is still a little over-the-top.
Conversely, it is a TV show - no different than a Sit-com, a daytime drama or any other show. The #1 purpose for it existing is to bring viewers to the TV so that they can take as many of the advertiser's dollars as possible. Content is an afterthought. If he gets bigger ratings by being over-the-top, then expect him to periodically try to redefine the top.... just like every other TV personality.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
But it hasn't stopped you from having an opinion, has it?
Maybe that's a bad reflection on me.....but I'm pretty sure the point of a talk show host is to make a logical point....
if you can explain this one to me, i'd be happy to hear it.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Conversely, it is a TV show - no different than a Sit-com, a daytime drama or any other show. The #1 purpose for it existing is to bring viewers to the TV so that they can take as many of the advertiser's dollars as possible. Content is an afterthought. If he gets bigger ratings by being over-the-top, then expect him to periodically try to redefine the top.... just like every other TV personality.
I have no problem with that.... The problem comes when people confuse what Glenn Beck does with what serious newscasters are supposed to do.
I don't think it's a right/left thing, as there are idiots like Olbermann who approach their show from the left. But there's a serious divide between intelligent news and comedy.
Glenn Beck is far closer to Stewart/Colbert than he is to the Gibson/Gregory/60 minutes crew....but at least Stewart/Colbert don't hesitate to admit what they are.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Quote: He misspelled it on purpose to make a point. Guess you didn't want to do anymore research in this other than that which supported your view.
Really?? That's almost as good as the original.
I wouldn't be surprised if Czars was the word that was supposed to go in there...that's sensible...I'm guessing he didn't miss that one on purpose, though. That would be stupid.
But that isn't really even the point. The point is, that there is no evidence of anything in his tirade, i could make happy words out of things relating to Adolf Hitler if I wanted to
~Lyuokdea
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Glenn Beck is far closer to Stewart/Colbert than he is to the Gibson/Gregory/60 minutes crew....but at least Stewart/Colbert don't hesitate to admit what they are
You may want to throw Olbermann and that cow Maddow in there with Beck.
Quote: Glenn Beck is far closer to Stewart/Colbert than he is to the Gibson/Gregory/60 minutes crew....but at least Stewart/Colbert don't hesitate to admit what they are
You may want to throw Olbermann and that cow Maddow in there with Beck.
Olbermann is a tool...
I think you missed the sentence above the one you quoted.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Sorry, I know you have a "scientific" mind thought.......
Check out the post below yours.
I did...and already responded... I'd have a lot more respect for him if he admitted that he goofed up.... I don't really care about spelling, I care about the theater of the whole thing (to borrow the wonderful analysis from Stewart).
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Quote: Glenn Beck is far closer to Stewart/Colbert than he is to the Gibson/Gregory/60 minutes crew....but at least Stewart/Colbert don't hesitate to admit what they are
You may want to throw Olbermann and that cow Maddow in there with Beck.
Olbermann is a tool...
I think you missed the sentence above the one you quoted.
~Lyuokdea
Yup, sure did...These pot stirrers do nobody any good whatsoever. I could not imagine waiting day to day in anticipation of listening/watching their shows! I'd rather pick weeds or rid my yard of dog doo!!
I have no problem with that.... The problem comes when people confuse what Glenn Beck does with what serious newscasters are supposed to do.
"Serious" newscasters? Can you name me one?
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I don't think it's a right/left thing, as there are idiots like Olbermann who approach their show from the left. But there's a serious divide between intelligent news and comedy.
Glenn Beck is far closer to Stewart/Colbert than he is to the Gibson/Gregory/60 minutes crew....but at least Stewart/Colbert don't hesitate to admit what they are.
Beck is biased, no doubt. Not towards dems, or republicans, but he is biased. He called out Bush quite often, for those that don't catch him on a daily basis.
Just because your "scientific" mind can't catch things doesn't make it his problem.
Here's the scoop: Beck is a guy making millions by telling what he sees as the truth. Doesn't make him infallible, but I will say he's told more truth in the last 9 months than uh O has even dreamed of telling.
That's good....i have no problem with any of that analysis, I strongly opposed the bailout.
But, there's a theater to everything glenn beck does which separates it from actual journalism, that's the point i'm trying to make. And sometimes, he is a very silly man.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Beck always says that he is not a journalist. If you watched or listened to his shows, you would know this. He is a commentator. He does a lot of it with humor, which is the reason I stuck watching and listening to him in the first place. I can't stand Rush or Hannity because they are so serious and they are party over personal conviction people.
I have no problem with that.... The problem comes when people confuse what Glenn Beck does with what serious newscasters are supposed to do.
"Serious" newscasters? Can you name me one?
The sentence under the one you quoted: Gregory, Gibson, 60 minutes, Tom Brokaw, the late Tim Russert and Peter Jennings.
Quote: Beck is biased, no doubt. Not towards dems, or republicans, but he is biased. He called out Bush quite often, for those that don't catch him on a daily basis.
Never said he didn't....I said he's theater and a joke. While he occasionally makes points, he obscures them with yelling and fist-shaking which obfuscates intelligent discussion of the issues.
Quote: Just because your "scientific" mind can't catch things doesn't make it his problem.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, other than to insert a personal insult somewhere.
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Here's the scoop: Beck is a guy making millions by telling what he sees as the truth.
Certiainly true.... It's also true of Jon Stewart, George Carlin, Woody Allen, Michael Moore, etc. That doesn't make any of them journalists.
Quote: Doesn't make him infallible, but I will say he's told more truth in the last 9 months than uh O has even dreamed of telling.
That's doesn't even make sense.... i'm not sure how you weight # of truths told vs. # of truths dreamed of being told...how do you weight truth? Is it percentage of truths? Or amount of truth per statement? Does he have to daydream about it? Or would nightmares count too? Is it only political truths, or should I be weighting their accuracy in giving the time of day?
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
That's good....i have no problem with any of that analysis, I strongly opposed the bailout.
But, there's a theater to everything glenn beck does which separates it from actual journalism, that's the point i'm trying to make. And sometimes, he is a very silly man.
So, you can't, or won't, dispute the facts he lays out - you just have a problem with his "theater"???????
So, you can't, or won't, dispute the facts he lays out - you just have a problem with his "theater"???????
There are no facts in the video I posted...It was purely theater.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Quote: Just because your "scientific" mind can't catch things doesn't make it his problem.
As an off topic addendum...i'm not sure whether I'm supposed to be insulted by comments like this or not....because I've seen them a few times on this board now... and I'm not sure where they are coming from (i'm terrible at keeping track of who says what)
I've had several scientific arguments with people on science threads. I've said before that I have some sympathies with scientific skepticism, which could inform my view on some sociopolitical issues.
But other than that, I'm not sure what impact science has on anything in this thread. I'm not really ashamed that I work on science, and I'm not sure whether you want me to be or not.
No, I don't want you to be ashamed that you work in science. (why not work on the science that says global warming has happened over and over and over, and in between, global cooling has happened?)
While you may take offense at my jabs, and perhaps rightly so, please, please, keep in mind several things.
First, I believe some people to be of a, say, scientific mindset. That's not a good thing or a bad thing in general. They see, for example: A: gas. B: flame. They don't see that "C" created that flame on purpose. (bad example, I know, but bear with me)
Accountants: they will spend hours finding that last penny - maybe days. They will not quit until they find it. And, at last - the penny is found. At what cost? Did the penny matter, or does the fact that a company made or lost millions matter? (my brother is an accountant, by the way - a business owner accountant) More later.
Quote: No, I don't want you to be ashamed that you work in science. (why not work on the science that says global warming has happened over and over and over, and in between, global cooling has happened?)
Don't find it particularly interesting. If I had to work on high-impact/real-world science, it would be nuclear fusion.
Quote:
First, I believe some people to be of a, say, scientific mindset. That's not a good thing or a bad thing in general. They see, for example: A: gas. B: flame. They don't see that "C" created that flame on purpose. (bad example, I know, but bear with me)
Accountants: they will spend hours finding that last penny - maybe days. They will not quit until they find it. And, at last - the penny is found. At what cost? Did the penny matter, or does the fact that a company made or lost millions matter? (my brother is an accountant, by the way - a business owner accountant) More later.
Fair enough.... both those traits probably describe me. However, I don't know how they apply to the earlier discussion in this thread.... It seems there, that "scientist" is just thrown in as a character attack.
~Lyuokdea
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
You stated you didn't understand what he was saying. My whole point was you/I/anyone shouldn't have to have it labeled: 1, 2, 3, 4 in order for us to be able to put 1 and 2 together.
My whole point with the science thing, or the accountant thing, was that different people see things and understand them different ways.
I have a bro that's a computer expert. Top notch. Works for either the city of Denver or the County of Denver (colorado)... as the, as I call it, computer head.
Try talking to him - he functions in computerese. My oldest brother - runs a 100% successful business. He has an accounting degree. Everything he does has to be exact and precise. Often times he can't see tomorrow because he hasn't added up today yet.
Then there's the salesman type: yes, we can do that. He then goes back to the sales manager and the plant manager and says "I don't know how you want to approach it, but this has to be done by X"
If you can't read between the lines of what Beck is saying, that doesn't mean he's wrong. Again, he's been telling more truth than O has. You don't need to like it, you don't even need to admit it.. Just know: it's there. If you don't like the theater of it, shrug that off and look at the facts of it.
Beck is wrong occasionally. If you bet on him, though, on every occasion, you'd come out ahead.
Oh, I'm the salesman type of person. Yes, I can. then later I figure out how I can.
pHIL ... i would think that you'd like Glenn Beck. He argues a lot of the same points you do about govenment and big business becoming one and the same entity ......
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I don't think you're correct in assuming that because science people tend to look at things in a "1,2,3,4" way, that they are incapable of some sort of "off the cuff" knowledge that you idealise...
I think it was DraftDayz who said this a couple months ago on an evolution thread...but by and large the idea that scientists aren't "street smart" doesn't really have a lot of truth behind it. More often, some people (not necessarily you) like to throw that argument out, when they really don't have much else to say.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
I meant the "scientific mindset" you refered to earlier...not sure where sci-fi is in there
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Quote: I don't think you're correct in assuming that because science people tend to look at things in a "1,2,3,4" way, that they are incapable of some sort of "off the cuff" knowledge that you idealise...
I wouldn't say I idealize it.........yet, here you are arguing the behind the scenes thing. Funny, don't you think? You won't "debunk" what Beck says, you'll just suffice to say " I don't think your assumptions of science people are right". or something along those lines.
You have actually proven my point, whether you see it or not.
The video is out there - you watched it I would guess. Tell me what he said is not factual. Don't bring the scientific mind into it - is what he said true or not? In your opinion.
I can answer "are we moving towards oligarchy?"...I'm not sure if his point is that we're moving towards oligarchy or not...he said "i don't know if we're turning into an oligarchy or what we're turning into"
As for an oligarchy. I think you could make arguments that the power is getting more concentrated in the hands of a few government officials that have more control over the banks than the US government previously had. But I don't think there is good evidence that this is a purposeful or across-the board trend.
For instance, in the early part of this decade. Several companies like Haliburton and Enron were deep into the governments pockets. Those compnanies have been largely busted as of late. In the arena of oil corporations, I believe the "oligopliness" of the US government has clearly been decreased over the last 5 years.
However, in the banking sector, it's clear that a large number of new industry experts have been moved into high level government positions, with the tendency of it increasing the possibility for insider corruption in government. Furthermore, the government has exercised more control of the banking sector than it has since WW2, which increases the propensity for government corruption.
Either way though, we're clearly not moving towards oligarchy in the classical sense (possibly more in a metaphorical sense where there is an elite which has unnatural control of the government)...In a classical oligarchy, you could never have an obama presidence, because the president would have to arise out of one of the few elite families...we clearly don't (and won't in the near future) have that in America
But i'm not sure that glenn beck makes that argument anywhere in the clip I showed. I think the point he made was "OBAMA IS STARTING AN OLIGARCHY!!!!" Maybe, you could read in between the lines and say something like "Obama is starting an oligarchy of left internationalists, Graft, ACORN, Revolutionaries, and Hidden Agendas"
However, that makes absolutely no sense. ACORN and Revolutionaries are antithetical to oligarchal tendencies. The whole idea would be to concentrate power in the hands of a few elites. Oligarchies want to eliminate revolutionaries, and they want to decrease voter participation as much as possible. (While ACORN has been accused of illegally increasing voter participation, that's a little different). Meanwhile, Hidden Agendas have nothing to do with the existence of an oligarchy (they could be just as prevalent in pretty much any form of government). Graft is probably tangentially related to oligarchies....since political gifts can make the establishment of a much more cohesive elite group.
~Lyuokdea
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Quote: I can answer "are we moving towards oligarchy?"...I'm not sure if his point is that we're moving towards oligarchy or not...he said "i don't know if we're turning into an oligarchy or what we're turning into"
As for an oligarchy. I think you could make arguments that the power is getting more concentrated in the hands of a few government officials that have more control over the banks than the US government previously had. But I don't think there is good evidence that this is a purposeful or across-the board trend.
For instance, in the early part of this decade. Several companies like Haliburton and Enron were deep into the governments pockets. Those compnanies have been largely busted as of late. In the arena of oil corporations, I believe the "oligopliness" of the US government has clearly been decreased over the last 5 years.
However, in the banking sector, it's clear that a large number of new industry experts have been moved into high level government positions, with the tendency of it increasing the possibility for insider corruption in government. Furthermore, the government has exercised more control of the banking sector than it has since WW2, which increases the propensity for government corruption.
Either way though, we're clearly not moving towards oligarchy in the classical sense (possibly more in a metaphorical sense where there is an elite which has unnatural control of the government)...In a classical oligarchy, you could never have an obama presidence, because the president would have to arise out of one of the few elite families...we clearly don't (and won't in the near future) have that in America
But i'm not sure that glenn beck makes that argument anywhere in the clip I showed. I think the point he made was "OBAMA IS STARTING AN OLIGARCHY!!!!" Maybe, you could read in between the lines and say something like "Obama is starting an oligarchy of left internationalists, Graft, ACORN, Revolutionaries, and Hidden Agendas"
However, that makes absolutely no sense. ACORN and Revolutionaries are antithetical to oligarchal tendencies. The whole idea would be to concentrate power in the hands of a few elites. Oligarchies want to eliminate revolutionaries, and they want to decrease voter participation as much as possible. (While ACORN has been accused of illegally increasing voter participation, that's a little different). Meanwhile, Hidden Agendas have nothing to do with the existence of an oligarchy (they could be just as prevalent in pretty much any form of government). Graft is probably tangentially related to oligarchies....since political gifts can make the establishment of a much more cohesive elite group.
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