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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Browns-to-start-rookie-Alex-Mack-at-center.htmlPer our source, it was an extremely tough decision that was made even tougher by the fact that Fraley had an outstanding training camp. Ultimately, the Browns' coaching staff made the call to go with the athletic rookie from Cal-Berkeley. The Browns signed Mack to a deal that carries a maximum value of $15.17 million if he triggers several incentive clauses. So, they're looking for an immediate return on their hefty investment. --------------------------------------------------------- On a related note....am I the only one concerned going into the season (and 1st game) with only 7 healthy OL? If a T or G goes down we have to field Fraley at G (baaad) or and UDFA rookie Ram-castoff at RT (shudder)...and we'd probably be forced to reshuffle other guys too....veteran OL anyone?
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interesting.. I think its a good move.. Does fraley go to guard now? or just backup?
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Fraley is garbage. Thanks Hank for single handedly ending Brady's season last year you bum.
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Fraley is garbage. Thanks Hank for single handedly ending Brady's season last year you bum.
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first of all....congratulations to the rookie if indeed this source is correct (never know with the level of professional journalism these days)
also, thanks to Hank for giving us his all the past few years and for his return to one of the best backup OC in the game.
and no, you are not the only one concerned with our lack of OL depth...along with OLB (starters and depth) and S (depth)...these are our biggest concerns entering the season.
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Fraley is garbage. Thanks Hank for single handedly ending Brady's season last year you bum.
When I see Mack downfield 10, 20 yards, with the ball carrier, then I'll say it's a good move.
For now, it is what it is. The coaches that have seen them every day decided to start Mack. Good for him.
Don't bust on Fraley though
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All signs have always pointed towards a rebuilding year, and this is another one of those moves. Otherwise, you start Fraley because of his experience.
Of course I wanted Mack to start, probably because I saw this as a rebuilding year *L*
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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You won't let that go, will ya? 
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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*shrug* it is what it is.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Guess this league source should tell the Browns to update their depth chart.
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That's a really "cruddy" thing to say but it's true. Fraley missed more than one block, Quinn ended up hurt, that's the truth.
I do appreciate what Fraley has done though in his years here. He came in with a couple days notice and started Day 1.
I'd like to salute him if he or Danielle reads this. I greatly respect those that walked a tough path AND made it all the way to the NFL.
Pretty cool. I hope Fraley continues to be a productive part of the team.
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I like Hank..He's gone up against some monster tackles in this division.. And his wife was on the boards  Thats enough to make him a local favorite.
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Fraley is garbage. Thanks Hank for single handedly ending Brady's season last year you bum.
 Geez I guess we need to start at the beginning with you. *Holding out a football* Dear Today this is a football. *Today tries to dribble it, then grabs a baseball glove and wants to use it to play catch*  You got a lot to learn son. 
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Per our source, it was an extremely tough decision that was made even tougher by the fact that Fraley had an outstanding training camp.
Hank out played Mack in all four pre-season games.
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Yeah, it's a forced play...but I understand...Mangini would look like an idiot if none of his 4 1st day rookies is good enough to start on a 4 win team (which is the sad truth if you go by performance...and the 1st sign of a draft fail job)
I've looked at the Jets' last 3 drafts...and they don't look too good....he tends to overdraft athletically limited players with good intangibles in round 2+3 (say what? see a pattern? Massa+Veikune anyone?), that's evident (Schlegel, Clemens, E.Smith, Harris...who's the only good one, a .250BA is bad, in those rounds really bad)
Double-faced Penguin can talk about performance all he wants, it's a cover up move...and "performance" didn't decide that one
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Fraley is garbage. Thanks Hank for single handedly ending Brady's season last year you bum.
Dont talk about things ya clearly know nothing about.
If every one of our players had Hanks heart & hustle, we'd be talking Super Bowl, not prayng for a .500 season.
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".am I the only one concerned going into the season (and 1st game) with only 7 healthy OL? If a T or G goes down we have to field Fraley at G (baaad) or and UDFA rookie Ram-castoff at RT (shudder)...and we'd probably be forced to reshuffle other guys too....veteran OL anyone?"
No team is sitting pretty when they got to dip into their OT depth due to injuries!
We are not excluded.
RT...Womack can play RT, Hadnot should be ready...what is he on the injury reports?
Lets face it there is no replacing JoeT... PT should be as good as Hilliard who when I watched was as good or better than anyone of the Bums we paraded out there as starters before JoeT...am I comfortable with 8?
I'm curious to see what we do when Jerome Harrison is 100% do we keep 4 RBs? or add an OLman (hilliard). But something tells me we are negotiating for Runyon??? Just a MAYBE.
Sky is Falling? Not quite.
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If Mack wasn't a starter , you'd be wailing about the pick as a reach....so on and son on... Ya know you're starting to sound like Vers did before he left..actually a year before he left..he was so pessimestic and angry till it obscured almost every post... yet he knows his ball..while I have become less tolerent of the Browns..I still keep a balanced view..
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tough first game, as he faces the Williams' this week...good luck Alex, you have your work cut out for you this week...
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RT...Womack can play RT, Hadnot should be ready...what is he on the injury reports?
Hadnot is OUT for the game...that's the main reason I'm concerned....we essentially are going into the opener with 7 OL and no backups at T and G...Fraley isn't a G and Womack isn't athletic enough to play RT and none of us wants to find out what an UDFA rookie RT looks like ..sure, we can re-shuffle half the line to make it "work" on paper but it's not what I expected BEFORE we have even played a down....so much for Mangini building depth
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Per our source, it was an extremely tough decision that was made even tougher by the fact that Fraley had an outstanding training camp.
Hank out played Mack in all four pre-season games.
Probably had something to do with him being 8 years older I'd guess.......out with the old and in with the new.
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The minute they drafted him, you had to know he was going to start, unless he got injured in the preseason.
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I think Fraley had issues and nobody more competent to fill in. BQ won't miss him, I suspect. Congrats to the rookie! You win! Do NOT suck! If they are at all close, go with the younger dude. Just win, baby. Run harder. 
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If Mack wasn't a starter , you'd be wailing about the pick as a reach....so on and son on... Ya know you're starting to sound like Vers did before he left..actually a year before he left..he was so pessimestic and angry till it obscured almost every post... yet he knows his ball..while I have become less tolerent of the Browns..I still keep a balanced view..
1. He was a reach....because a) too many holes for being the highest picked C this decade and b) couldn't beat out Fraley
2. You forgot to mention that Vers was right...doesn't mean that him or me don't root for them on gameday
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Admit what?? He wasn't right on everything..and neither are U.
Mack was the guy they wanted first....in terms of where they had to take him..he would not have gone by Buffalo @ 28..and I'm sure they got wind of teams who wanted to draft him...that was the guy they targeted and thats how they had to get him.sure I would have used that pick on another player but drafts rarely shake out the way U want.. at 21 who should they have taken??
I'm certainly not asking because I don't have a clue.
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Admit what?? He wasn't right on everything..and neither are U.
Mack was the guy they wanted first....in terms of where they had to take him..he would not have gone by Buffalo @ 28..and I'm sure they got wind of teams who wanted to draft him...that was the guy they targeted and thats how they had to get him.sure I would have used that pick on another player but drafts rarely shake out the way U want.. at 21 who should they have taken??
1. I question both your hypotheses...because it would have been very stupid to trade down twice 2 spots for lousy 6th rounders...then again, maybe they were that stupid...so by logic they were either stupid risking losing "their" player with those trade downs or they didn't want him that hard
2. Oher or Maclin before the trade downs ( we could use some speed, not only at WR...pretty much everywhere)
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Young man may start .. Let's see how long he lasts ???
I fine " Rookie " comment about Hank offensive also !
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I question both your hypotheses...because it would have been very stupid to trade down twice 2 spots for lousy 6th rounders..
What kind of logic are U trying to use?
First did Buffalo take a center or not with their first pick?
They took the second rated center..so my theory is if Mack was the board they would have taken him leaving Wood to be selected later..
Not really hard to see the logic in that.
Sounds like you're trying to outthink yourself here..what freakin' 6th rounders are you talking about?
Dang..will you stop with the ridiculous remarks and post some things that support your debate??
Mack/Eric Wood were not 6th rounders..U might think so because they're centers but if U do, than you really don't understand drafts and how players are slotted..and how the draft has changed sice the 70's-90's..
Top rated centers in a normal draft go from late/late first , all the way to 3rd/fourth rounds..
If you can show me that Jonathan Luigs (taken in the fourth) would supplant Hank , then we can really talk...but there 's no reason to draft a center that would be a backup to him..
GM's know when they need a good starting center, they better target him at least by the second round.
The other stuff U said after that really doesn't make sense to me..
Now if you want to elaborate that KoMan drafted for need and not taking BPA..Then we can discuss that..but when you start throwing stuff out to see if it sticks there won't be much discussion..
I will agree in part about Macklin..either he or Britt would have satisified me as they were impact wideouts..
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Wow.... so lots of fun stuff on this thread! I wont even get started, but I want to say that Hank did have a great pre season. EVERYONE knows that and I think that considering a decision came down to right now.... shows that there was a question. It is what it is, we knew when Mack was drafted that he is who they wanted in there. Hank will continue to help him during the year. He isn't the kind of player to turn his back on the team. Considering he is the only healthy back up at guard or center... he needs to be prepared. He will be, he always is. Thanks for everyone who does support Hank, and for those that don't.....thanks for supporting Mack! One team.
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Hank is one of my favorite players on this team because of his heart and work ethic. I wish everyone on this team had that of Hanks'. Let him know that I'll still be rockin' the #66 jersey on Sundays
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If Mack can be half as fiery as Hank, I will be happy. A fickle business being an NFL player.....
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I'm not one mentioning that Hank did this or that..or trying to crush the guy.....I saw the direction they were going to ..and I learned that on another board..
If Django wants to debate about taking a center too high..fine..I wouldn't have..but he needs to tell me where these guys were slotted , although I already know...
I mentioned this last year and well before the draft, if they wanted to go in a different direction I would have tried Hadnot there..he played it for a whole year at Miami..
I would have used one of the second picks on Loadholt instead of signing St.Clair..
There's the real mistake I think was made.
Anyway the coach decided to start Mack..thats fine..I actually thought he was going to regardless of what happened, unless he got hurt..everytime this team has drafted a center high , they've immediately started.
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No, you just didn't get what I wrote...read again
ok, here's the summary: if they targeted Mack that haËd they would not have traded down twice for 6th rounders IN RETURN because the Bills, Vikings or even the Steelers could have traded up to snatch Mack away...sooo, they were either dumb risking their coveted player for late round picks OR Mack was #1 on their list but there was a #1b or c too in case somebody would have traded up for him
since I don't think Mangini is that dumb the equation probably was: 2nd player on the board + 2x6th rounders = or > value of Mack
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I'd be willing to bet Hank's going to see a lot of PT. We need that kind of attitude.
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I'm not understanding. You are mad we took a Center that high. But, you are mad that we traded back to get the Center that we wanted? 
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Oh brother..you certainly are right I didn't get that..
OR Mack was #1 on their list but there was a #1b or c too in case somebody would have traded up for him
I will say from what I knew, Mack was # 1 on their board..
First the trade was made with the Jets because of several things..
1-Curry was off the board..
2-Mangini wanted to see what he had in the QB's here..
3-He needed some starters/vets to cover holes that couldn't be filled with 4 picks..remember that..the Jets were willing to give up that many players..and some will help a lot.
Now the trades with Philly/Tampa suprised me..the sixth rounders , heck U expect me to say well that was great??
I would have gotten a third from someone..or another 4th...but I don't have any say in that..
Heck Phil did that too ..Everyone knows in terms of draft selections we did not get the full compensation from those moves..but perhaps they were willing to settle for that..
From Tampa's move we should have gotten a 4th...from Philly's move another 4th and a 5th...
We could have came out of that draft with only 4 original picks..
But tell me this if James Davis turns out to be a back who eventually starts or contributes heavily U still gonna cry foul??
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Hey, You guys wax up the bows yet.........It all starts at the end of the month, Hope you guys get a change to get out, and if ya get something, well thats even better, Good Luck. I'm probebly gonna wait a couple weeks unless it starts to cool down abit more, I was out in the woods opening day a couple years ago and it was so hot & humid, the mosquitos I think were bigger than the deer. So after that i've waited a couple weeks, but if I get the itch, I'll have to scratch it.....LOL..
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Oh yeah...... I've been out shooting like 4/5 times already! I'm dead on at 20 and 30! We set up a box in the basement and have little competitions at night sometimes! Our babysitter is a nationally ranked archer, so it is fun! I got a new tree stand for my birthday, and a range finder so I am all set to go! ( and a watch, for my girly side) Hank got me a new bow from Matthews last year and I LOVE it!!! Hopefully we will get out on opening day and see something! We have a cabin up in NY, so we have the feeders and cameras set up..... I have called dibs on a big 10 pointer! No one gets that one but me! Also the coyotes are all over the place! Can't wait to hear how you do!!!
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