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Actually, there were a lot of plays where Quinn had all day.
Denver did a nice job of mixing things up, and I think they confused the hell out of Quinn.
The scary part is that I can only remember 1 or 2 throws that Quinn looked decisive delivering. The rest of the time he looked nervous, scared, and jittery.
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Which will happen with a young QB.
Our receivers aside from Braylon are garbage. I seriously question whether they can even get open.
That's about the fourth time I've said that/wondered that tonight... and people ignore it, or at least they don't offer evidence otherwise.
ARE THE RECEIVERS GIVING BQ A DECENT LOOK?
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How the heck do we know? He threw what, 5 passes today that were over 10 yds. (over 10 yds in that the rec. was more than 10 yds from the l.o.s.)
9 times out of 10 quinn has checked down to a 3 yd. pass before the w.r. have had time to make a cut.
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It hit the ground first.
You Quinn Homers need to stop making **** up. 
It never actually left the ground 
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Take a look at this thread and the "Start Anderson" thread. I doubt I'm responsible for those 
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How the heck do we know?
Ahhhhh, now there's a question. 
Well arch, it seems like 95 per cent of everyone here is an expert and knows what is wrong, so I figured I'd get an expert opinion.
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How the heck do we know?
Ahhhhh, now there's a question.
Well arch, it seems like 95 per cent of everyone here is an expert and knows what is wrong, so I figured I'd get an expert opinion.
I can't make an honest opinion about whats going on downfield with the WRs because I rarely see the camera go 15 yards past the line of scrimmage. 
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How the heck do we know?
Ahhhhh, now there's a question.
Well arch, it seems like 95 per cent of everyone here is an expert and knows what is wrong, so I figured I'd get an expert opinion.
I can't make an honest opinion about whats going on downfield with the WRs because I rarely see the camera go 15 yards past the line of scrimmage.
So you're saying you see what quinn does, plus 5-8 yds?
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lol, Now I've been defending BQ all night, but i've always seen good things in Anderson... the gunslinger mentality, the arm... if BQ continuously doesn't put up points, I'd have no problem with Mangini going back to DA. I hope the decision isn't made too early, though.
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This is more of a general reply to get the fans to think about it, but before spending too much time blasting Daboll, we're actually getting a clearer picture why he's calling such a conservative gameplan. The answer is because he doesn't trust Quinn, and based upon what we've seen these last two weeks, we can easily understand why he doesn't.
A leads to B leads to C........
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This is more of a general reply to get the fans to think about it, but before spending too much time blasting Daboll, we're actually getting a clearer picture why he's calling such a conservative gameplan. The answer is because he doesn't trust Quinn, and based upon what we've seen these last two weeks, we can easily understand why he doesn't.
A leads to B leads to C........
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Rey M is one of the most overrated draft prospects I have ever seen. He has no coverage skills whatsoever, and is a complete ass. I would never take him on my team, and applaud Mangini and Kokinis for passing on him.
So in essence you applaud them for taking a guy who dosen't even make noise in preseason games let alone the regluar season. You're one hell of a scout.
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How the heck do we know?
Ahhhhh, now there's a question.
Well arch, it seems like 95 per cent of everyone here is an expert and knows what is wrong, so I figured I'd get an expert opinion.
I can't make an honest opinion about whats going on downfield with the WRs because I rarely see the camera go 15 yards past the line of scrimmage.
You are right on the money. I do have a hard time believing no one is getting open downfield but I cannot come on here and say one way or another. One thing is for certain, the Browns do know the answer.
What I do know is the Browns continue to drop more passes than most of NFL teams. This was said by me when DA wasQBing and I think the point remains valid.
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Take it for what it's worth, but Mangini said in the papers this morning that there open receivers out there to be found.
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Take it for what it's worth, but Mangini said in the papers this morning that there open receivers out there to be found.
There you have it. I suspected as much from yesterday's game but TV is hard to judge since you watch what they want you to see.
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No problem... it's one of the things I've wondered.... are the receivers not getting open, or is Quinn simply not getting it to them?
I don't know which of those scenarios is worse, but you look around the league and see Sanchez 2-0 as a rookie... 2nd year guys Flacco and Matt Ryan playing well.
Meanwhile, our much-hyped 1st-round pick from 2007, who had two years to learn the game... is looking terrible.
I'm not saying yank him... but geez sooner of later if you can't engineer scoring drives... you have to give it some thought. It's depressing.
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Could not agree more, the worst part is Lampdog is he has not looked like a leader on the field, he has not taken command of the offense in either games and put a determined urgent drive together. If you think back to the Texans game of last season he looked terrible there as well.
Its been a regression for Quinn. He looked great against Denver last year, Average against Buffalo (You will remember our defense gave us 3 interceptions in the first quarter than lead to 13 points, and Harrison had that huge run for a TD late also), then against the Texans last year his third start, he looked bad also. Threw 2 interceptions and only put together 2 FG drives.
He has had two full seasons to watch and study the game, he got a couple of starts last season, and he looked worse today than he did last week.
Next week will be no better either, he can't move the ball against Denver there is probably little chance it happens at Baltimore.
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Which will happen with a young QB.
Our receivers aside from Braylon are garbage. I seriously question whether they can even get open.
That's about the fourth time I've said that/wondered that tonight... and people ignore it, or at least they don't offer evidence otherwise.
ARE THE RECEIVERS GIVING BQ A DECENT LOOK?
I see it..Cribbs is not a # 2 reciever..he should be in the slot...this experiement is disasterous..
No they are not giving QB a target..Edwards is the only one that is schemed for..no one else is considered a threat...well coach...get the rookies in there ,get them going..U drafted them because U needed them , now show it and get them all in there..
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I agree that the receiving corps could help a qb's confidence by reducing the amount of drops. It was stated last year as an excuse for DA's poor performance.
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Gotta link to that? Not that I don't trust you but I'd like to read it....
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Has anyone just straight up asked Quinn why he is playing so tentatively?
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I wonder that too,...just specualting that Mangini has him on a personally stated short leash,...the kid is playing with too much pressure.
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ha...I wonder what he'd say...
But...looking at talking about Daboll...Yesterday I watched the 3rd downs...and Daboll had all but 1 guy beyond the sticks...Quinn took the one outlet short of the sticks WAY TOO MANY TIMES...it was unbelieveable...he threw to the outlet just about every 3rd down...for 3-4 yards even when we needed 8. Thats...terrible.
If Quinn wants to get better...he needs more time to learn...but im thinking that hes not learning in game. It looked like Daboll gave him options and he just didnt take em...it even somewhat looked like he made the decisions in spite of what daboll was calling for him...
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ha...I wonder what he'd say...
But...looking at talking about Daboll...Yesterday I watched the 3rd downs...and Daboll had all but 1 guy beyond the sticks...Quinn took the one outlet short of the sticks WAY TOO MANY TIMES...it was unbelieveable...he threw to the outlet just about every 3rd down...for 3-4 yards even when we needed 8. Thats...terrible.
If Quinn wants to get better...he needs more time to learn...but im thinking that hes not learning in game. It looked like Daboll gave him options and he just didnt take em...it even somewhat looked like he made the decisions in spite of what daboll was calling for him...
Good take,..that too, all plays a part in how poorly he has performed. Not making excuses,...just hope it all gets turned around. My Mondays have been miserable for too long. It's bad when your only shining glory is, "Well, the Steelers lost."
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2. As the Browns studied films, they saw some receivers were open but Quinn wasn’t patient enough to get him the ball. They are stressing that Quinn look just a little longer down field.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2009/09/terrys_talkin_about_brady_quin.html
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“There were definitely some opportunities for him to get the ball to receivers that were open.
“There were some plays where I thought he had nice throws, but it’s consistency, it’s consistency, it’s consistency ... first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter.”
http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1073703015/Browns-Quinn-looking-for-answers-to-offenses-poor-play
i find this unacceptable. oh and those mentioning cribbs holding quinn's success back, i have one name for you: syndric steptoe.
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No problem... it's one of the things I've wondered.... are the receivers not getting open, or is Quinn simply not getting it to them?
I don't know which of those scenarios is worse, but you look around the league and see Sanchez 2-0 as a rookie... 2nd year guys Flacco and Matt Ryan playing well.
Meanwhile, our much-hyped 1st-round pick from 2007, who had two years to learn the game... is looking terrible.
I'm not saying yank him... but geez sooner of later if you can't engineer scoring drives... you have to give it some thought. It's depressing.
Great point - he has been studying for 2 years waiting for this and then is about as timid as they come. I would guess that even he can't trust his throws on deep balls so that last thing on Earth he wants to do is throw a deep one.
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i find this unacceptable. oh and those mentioning cribbs holding quinn's success back, i have one name for you: syndric steptoe.
I have one name for you: Kellen Winslow
I'm sorry, but we are awful. And, Anderson wouldn't make it any better.
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Yes, Winslow, 7 rec for 90 yards and a TD yesterday, god I miss him because he was one of the few that look like he ACTUALLY cared.
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it looks a lot like Quinn went the complete opposite from last week.
Last week he was too quick to dump the ball off...and this week he took FOREVER to go through his reads, except on 3rd down. On 3rd down he still ripped through his reads and dumped it off to the only outlet short of the first down marker.
I dunno...they say guys need time to improve...but those QBs usually dont perform this badly. Like...this production is among the worst in terms of first downs...drive sustainability and protection of the ball...really of just keeping the burden off of the defense.
Our defense kept us in the game as long as they could. But...there was just so little production from our offense that they just ran out of steam. We blasted DA for not keeping drives going...but come on.
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As one announcer put it (when speaking about Robert Royal in Week 1):
"They replaced an 80-catch per year guy with a guy whose career high in a season was 33 catches."
A dynamic, pass-catching threat is obviously not what we were concerned about having (Winslow or otherwise).
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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i find this unacceptable. oh and those mentioning cribbs holding quinn's success back, i have one name for you: syndric steptoe.
I have one name for you: Kellen Winslow
I'm sorry, but we are awful. And, Anderson wouldn't make it any better.
you can't just name one "weapon" and act like that made a difference. fact is anderson never used winslow and he actually played his best when winslow wasn't on the field. at least cribbs is drawing some coverage. something steptoe couldn't even do.
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i find this unacceptable. oh and those mentioning cribbs holding quinn's success back, i have one name for you: syndric steptoe.
I have one name for you: Kellen Winslow
I'm sorry, but we are awful. And, Anderson wouldn't make it any better.
you can't just name one "weapon" and act like that made a difference. fact is anderson never used winslow and he actually played his best when winslow wasn't on the field. at least cribbs is drawing some coverage. something steptoe couldn't even do.
So you can name one "non-weapon" in Steptoe to counter a "non-weapon" in Cribbs, but I can't name one weapon?
During DA's "good" (and I use that word loosely), he had K2, Braylon, and JJ.
This year we have Braylon, Cribbs, and Robert Royal. 
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fact is anderson never used winslow and he actually played his best when winslow wasn't on the field.
2007 K2 had 82 catches, 1102 yards, and 5 TD's and made a pro-bowl (which you DA fans seem to think makes a career).
Pretty good for a guy that his QB "never used"
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fact is anderson never used winslow and he actually played his best when winslow wasn't on the field.
2007 K2 had 82 catches, 1102 yards, and 5 TD's and made a pro-bowl (which you DA fans seem to think makes a career).
Pretty good for a guy that his QB "never used"
Quit making stuff up to try to prove a point.
And only 43 receptions in 2008... and the offense sucked as bad as it does now.
Plain and simple: Winslow was just like JJ - they moved the chains on a regular basis for us, and we have yet to get anyone to replace that productivity.
Browns is the Browns
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fact is anderson never used winslow and he actually played his best when winslow wasn't on the field.
2007 K2 had 82 catches, 1102 yards, and 5 TD's and made a pro-bowl (which you DA fans seem to think makes a career).
Pretty good for a guy that his QB "never used"
Quit making stuff up to try to prove a point.
2007 is irrelevant to the point being made regards to 2008. in 2007, there were more than enough yards and tds to go around for the offense.
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I have one name for you: Kellen Winslow
I'm sorry, but we are awful. And, Anderson wouldn't make it any better.
you can't just name one "weapon" and act like that made a difference. fact is anderson never used winslow and he actually played his best when winslow wasn't on the field. at least cribbs is drawing some coverage. something steptoe couldn't even do.
So you can name one "non-weapon" in Steptoe to counter a "non-weapon" in Cribbs, but I can't name one weapon?
During DA's "good" (and I use that word loosely), he had K2, Braylon, and JJ.
This year we have Braylon, Cribbs, and Robert Royal.
ultimately, what difference does it make? if you need to cite a TE as a weapon, it shows how poor of a qb you have. the TE is not the first option in a play. get the balls to the wide receivers and i'd contend that a group of edwards, steptoe, and god i don't even know who would be a backup to steptoe vs now, edwards, cribbs, momass, and furrey are the same if not favoring the current group.
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The point trying to be made is Anderson being better than Quinn, is it not?
You can't just pick and choose what stats, and circumstances you want to use, and which ones you don't. Look at it as a whole.
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You know as well as I do that K2 was not a true TE. Going by your philosphy, you can't consider... Antonio Gates Tony Gonzalez Jason Witten Dallas Clark Chris Cooley Owen Daniels etc.. As receiving threats? And if you do, that means.. Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Peyton Manning, Jason Campbell, and Matt Schaub all suck. Okay, I guess I can give you Campbell.  I'm starting to agree with Shep (and that don't happen very often), this board is going to hell.
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The point trying to be made is Anderson being better than Quinn, is it not?
You can't just pick and choose what stats, and circumstances you want to use, and which ones you don't. Look at it as a whole.
no, that wasn't the point. the point was that people are making excuses for quinn when those same excuses could've been applied to DA but instead everyone just reamed him.
fact is, neither can play a complete game right now so you have to weigh their strengths and weaknesses. you have one qb who is, arguably, a little smarter and a little more mobile. he knows where the ball should go and he can make adjustments but he can't get the ball there. you have another qb who is, arguably, a little dumber and a lot slower but he can complete the intermediate passes that moves the ball but he, arguably, can't check down.
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the difference is that the majority of the players you list are not liabilities in their primary responsibilities. i.e. run and pass blocking. you're right though...and you're driving us there 
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