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Can I amend this to say coming back to the Browns?
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With a good Gm I'd take him back as Clevelands coach. Team was prepared and in most games. I've notseen that since/
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Can I amend this to say coming back to the Browns?
I'd be for it, as long as someone has GM duties. Though, I don't think Butch would come back. He has something good in UNC now.
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Butch was a good coach, only small minded fans couldnt see it. His issue was the fact that he was also the GM, a job that he failed horribly at.
We shoulda learned from that and not given any coach full power, but of course, we're the Browns, an old Indian word for "stupid".
I just want a coach that atleast has his team out working the other team like Rex Ryan did today. The jets were not the most talented team, but they were better coached and out worked the pats....2 out of 3...they won.
We get out coached, out worked, and have inferior talent every week!
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This is definately a lopsided pole.
I'm with the majority - though I don't follow college football.
I'd avoid Butch Davis like the plague.
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Get rid of Tressell? This board gets better by the day. I understand the 'get rid of Quinn threads' b/c he's a flop (so far), but Tress is anything but a flop. Anyone remember Cooper? What those days were like? Give me a break, get rid of Tress.
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Cooper had to coach when the big ten was still relevant, if he was here now, this program would be in much better shape...much better. He brought in way more talent than Tress, and could coach circles around Tress.
If Tres was coaching back then, same result, only we wouldnt have won any bowl games.
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You don't seem to be looking at the whole picture...if Cooper brought in more talent, and could coach circles around Jim Tressel, then where were all of these big victories he had ? The Rose Bowl vs. Arizona State ? You already forget Tressel did WITH Cooper's kids what Cooper himself could not do,....
I won't even mention a comparison of their Michigan records, where IF Michigan could manage to win the next four straight, equalling the amount of total seasons both coached, Tressel would STILL be over .500.
Cooper still lives here and has been heard professssing how good a job Tressel is doing.
He ain't going anywhere and doesn't need to. You must not have read the link I posted earlier ? I don't expect it will shed much light for you though, being all dyed-in-the-wool-fire-Tressel.
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Cooper had to coach when the big ten was still relevant, if he was here now, this program would be in much better shape...much better. He brought in way more talent than Tress, and could coach circles around Tress.
If Tres was coaching back then, same result, only we wouldnt have won any bowl games.
I don't care who you are....that right there was funny.
it was a joke, right? I mean, did the rest of the Big10 suddenly become irrelevant when Tress started coaching here (which explains how he beat UM with Coop's kids).
and, ponder this for a moment: if the rest of the big10 became irrelevant once Tress started coaching in it, don't you think that it has something to do with him making them irrelevant (think USC and the Pac10).
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Tressel gets it when it comes to beating Michigan. Butchie merely trusts his "gut".  In spite of his recent inability to win BCS games I would still take Tressel over Butch. The Bucks would be in a world of hurt if Coop were still running the show in Columbus. For all intents and purposes, Tressel brought respect back to the football program.
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I say because Tressell is a saint and beats Michigan so consistently... NO. Even though I cannot tell you with a straight face that we would have beat Miami if he were coaching on the sidelines instead of Larry Coker. They were just so much more talented than we were! Thank god for Ken Dorsey, huh? Never thought I'd say that...
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I wonder if they played these bowl games in the old midwest if the outcomes would be the same. The Big Ten teams have to play a different brand of football during parts of their season. Not to mention that we are at a distinct disadvantage play our BCS games that usually are home games for our opponents. The only time I feel comfortable is when the Buckeyes play in the Fiesta Bowl.
I'm not saying that the Big ten would be more dominant, just that the games would be closer and we would win more than we do.
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I remember years ago when Tampa Bay had their best defenses ever, but they could not win when the temperature was below 40 degrees. They couldn't handle the pounding they would take in the snow because they're too adapted to the heat. They can't take how cold it is.
Same would happen in the college level. Even more teams unable to adapt to the cold..
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I remember years ago when Tampa Bay had their best defenses ever, but they could not win when the temperature was below 40 degrees. They couldn't handle the pounding they would take in the snow because they're too adapted to the heat. They can't take how cold it is.
Same would happen in the college level. Even more teams unable to adapt to the cold..
not just the cold.......the ferocious wind and the unforgiving slickness of the snow/sleet....
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Yeah, I bet Florida or Bama would just freeze up if the came and played in the shoe in December. Am I the only non-homer OSU fan?
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Am I the only non-homer OSU fan?
umm.....do you really think that there wouldn't be advantages to not only playing closer to home fans, but having weather play a part in games as well that one team has no experience with?
Florida and Bama are among the top3 teams in the country this year (TX being the other)....and they SHOULD beat OSU. That's why OSU would need an advantage like a snow-covered field with freezing temperatures to even out the playing field.
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The professional example of the TB Buccaneers with Sapp, Lynch, Brooks, and Barber in their prime illustrated very well how the weather can play a significant role in games. Don't try to deny that.
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The outcome of the "event" would be vastly different because nobody would want to come and the universities would get significantly smaller paydays.. they would also be vastly different because even bigger debates would rage about whether a game decided in the snow and ice and 20 degree temperatures by the score of 7-6 because nobody could hold onto the football really had any correlation as to who is the better football team.
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The Big Ten teams have to play a different brand of football during parts of their season.
Why? The big 10 season ends in November.. the average high temperature in Columbus, Ann Arbor, Champaigne, Des Moines, etc is around 50 degrees through November... how often does one of these games take place in snow and ice?
the home field thing I understand but it's a fact of life, these games are set up the way they are for 2 reasons..
1. To attact visitors, in Dec/Jan visitors want to go where it's warm, not go sit outside and freeze their butts off to watch what amounts to (unless it's THE national championship game) an exhibition game.
2. They are to decide who is the better team. If you are going to decide who is the better team, then the best way to do that is to make the weather and all other factors.. a non-factor.
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forgot to post this Saturday.....
anyone still want Butch over Tressel now that Butch is 0-3 to Al Groh's Virginia Cavaliers at UNC?
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"The Job" is Urban's,...mark it down.
but we want coach's who can win in hostile environments in the South I thought? after Florida loses to LSU this weekend, he'll be 0-3 in Baton Rouge.
maybe Butch should replace him at Florida 
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"The Job" is Urban's,...mark it down.
but we want coach's who can win in hostile environments in the South I thought? after Florida loses to LSU this weekend, he'll be 0-3 in Baton Rouge.
maybe Butch should replace him at Florida
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"The Job" is Urban's,...mark it down.
Absolutely ZERO chance Urban would leave for ANY job, other than possibly Notre Dame.
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"The Job" is Urban's,...mark it down.
Absolutely ZERO chance Urban would leave for ANY job, other than possibly Notre Dame.
Realizing you don't listen to much Ohio State talk radio, Tressel is already on record that he is looking at his "in 5 years" retirement plan, and that SPECULATION IS, Urban is the front runner, also having espoused his personal desire to coach in Columbus--again all SPECULATION on the part of Buckeye radio networkers,....
Factually--why would Notre Dame even consider UM after the nose thumbing he gave them right before taking the job at Florida ?
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Realizing you don't listen to much Ohio State talk radio, Tressel is already on record that he is looking at his "in 5 years" retirement plan, and that SPECULATION IS, Urban is the front runner, also having espoused his personal desire to coach in Columbus--again all SPECULATION on the part of Buckeye radio networkers,....
Not that it matters because Tressel will leave under his own terms and I don't see that happening for quite awhile.....
but, if he did decide to retire in 5 years....I would hope Brian Kelly's name would be at the top of the list.
getting recruits a level or two below the Buckeyes in Ohio and surrounding regions, he's been able to build a powerhouse (for the BigEast they are a powerhouse) team that reloads in what is thought to be a rebuilding year (lost 10 starters on defense). and the fact he's a former assistant should help out as well.
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Exactly.
I'm sure if you listen to Florida sports radio, they'd be saying Urban Meyer wants to coach there till he's 100 lol.
The point is, OSU is not a better job than Florida right now. And there's no way he'd leave Florida for OSU.
I only say Notre Dame, because SPECULATION is that that's the only other job he'd be interested in. Though, I think Meyer retires from Florida.
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So why did he turn it down Notre Dame then ? Money ? At that level of money, why does it make a difference. The reason he didn't go to ND is, he wouldn't be able to get away with some things,....
YOUR point may be that Florida is a better job,....my point is, if Tressel is gone in five years, it's Meyer's for the taking, better job or not, if the guy wants it. REPORTEDLY, he does, and has said so.
Hopefully he goes to Cleveland.
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Don't get me wrong, Bro I want him in Cleveland so he never gets to Columbus,....the Buckeyes are a lot more important than the Browns are (to me, personally). You're right about the coaching aspect of it though,...
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Not to take this thread back to Butch or anything..  but he is getting some heat down here. Not just for losing to some really bad teams but they are starting to talk about how he is being out-recruited by NC State. (for those who don't know, the schools are about 20 minutes apart) The one article I read summed it up well.. it pointed out that he's not getting ANY of the best players from within the state of NC to go there and if you tell a UNC fan that, they just say that it's ok because he's going after national talent... problem is that he's not getting any of that either. The national talent he IS getting is ranked below the in-state kids that he ignored.
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That would be all the much easier to understand -- not in defense of Butch, mind you -- because any "national" talent available that doesn't get picked up at home in Florida, California, Texas, and then to a lesser extent Ohio, Pennsylvania and all of the others (Georgia, Tenn, Louisiana, etc.) is going to try to go somewhere that they can not only play, but be on a decent team that is in the NC Game hunt,....is that school UNC ? Probably more not, than yes,....and I'm not saying North Carolina doesn't have a great high school base, but you're right -- there are plenty of places for that kid to go to school,...even Appalachian State, in NC.
So then, is Butch not a good recruiter, or is he facing too much recruiting competition from a lot of different angles ? I don't know, but surely don't understand all the "heat"...,...UNC has never been the annual 'National Contender' in football that nobody wants to play, like your Oklahoma, USC, and Alabama's are.
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NC puts out it's fair share of good high school football prospects.. as you said, it ain't Florida or Texas, but it does ok. The prevailing logic (and this isn't just among UNC lovers, this is more of a generally accepted thing) is that most of them would prefer to go to UNC over NCState, with Wake Forest, ECU, Duke, App State following farther behind... if they are going to stay in state. Butch isn't putting much effort at all into going after the better players in his own backyard. Quote:
So then, is Butch not a good recruiter, or is he facing too much recruiting competition from a lot of different angles ? I don't know, but surely don't understand all the "heat".....
The heat is simple, Butch came in the same year Tom O'Brien came to NC State.. thus far neither of them has had a whole lot of success on the field but the feeling is that O'Brien is building a better program.. and that ticks off UNC fans.
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No but that is why Butch was brought here.. to put UNC on the national map. Nobody expected him to do it in 3 years but they are no better now than they were when he got here. One of the big reasons Butch was brought here was because they thought he could recruit the southeast, which isn't panning out yet.. plus, as I said before, people feel like O'Brien is having more success...
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Appreciate the response and the give-and-take, but you would have to pick up Urban and all of Florida and move them to NC before "it" would/could happen.
Over the past 60 years, 20 major footballl college programs have won the National Title more than once, and those teams own the great majority of them all. It is what it is, unless something drastic happens. Just my opinion.
Even if either NCState or UNC got ALL of the state's blue chippers, would it contend for a National Title ? ,.....maybe. As good a coach as Butch 'can' be isn't going to make that difference up.
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I don't think the goal, at least the near term goal, is to replace Oklahoma, Florida, or USC on the national stage so don't think I'm going there. I think the more realistic goal is to get to the level of say.. Georgia, Wisconsin, maybe Florida State... a team that has a solid national reputation, has a chance to play for it's conference championship fairly regularly and plays in more late December early January bowl games..... and yes, if the stars align and all things come together, might make a run at a national championship once in a while. Quote:
Even if either NCState or UNC got ALL of the state's blue chippers, would it contend for a National Title ? ,.....maybe. As good a coach as Butch 'can' be isn't going to make that difference up.
They might.. but it's not about getting them all. It's about not ignoring them and making a push to get some of them.. once he does that he can go after some other regional players...
This is what Butch has going against him though.. even though NC State hasn't had a lot of success lately, they consider themselves a football school. As the guy said on the radio yesterday and I about ran off the road, "6 and 6 and a trip to the Papa Johns Bowl makes you a football school." But that's where they devote their resources.. now between basketball and football, which one do you think gets more love from the administration and the boosters at UNC?
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I don't think the goal, at least the near term goal, is to replace Oklahoma, Florida, or USC on the national stage so don't think I'm going there. I think the more realistic goal is to get to the level of say.. Georgia, Wisconsin, maybe Florida State... a team that has a solid national reputation, has a chance to play for it's conference championship fairly regularly and plays in more late December early January bowl games..... and yes, if the stars align and all things come together, might make a run at a national championship once in a while.
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Even if either NCState or UNC got ALL of the state's blue chippers, would it contend for a National Title ? ,.....maybe. As good a coach as Butch 'can' be isn't going to make that difference up.
They might.. but it's not about getting them all. It's about not ignoring them and making a push to get some of them.. once he does that he can go after some other regional players...
This is what Butch has going against him though.. even though NC State hasn't had a lot of success lately, they consider themselves a football school. As the guy said on the radio yesterday and I about ran off the road, "6 and 6 and a trip to the Papa Johns Bowl makes you a football school." But that's where they devote their resources.. now between basketball and football, which one do you think gets more love from the administration and the boosters at UNC?
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