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We have a team that is looking like a contender and we want to bench the QB.
Then, the next year--a young team on the rise, high expectation, faced with arguably the hardest schedule in the country--with five prime-time games, and we fail. Injuries mount.
Umm....whether or not fans wanted that. Phil resigned DA. Romeo started DA without a QB competition even.
DA was the starting QB last year....it was through his own incompetence that he lost the job.
Quinn may very well lose this job through his own incompetence, but it's foolish to believe the fans are what cost DA his job. DA cost DA his starting spot.
He even had a chance to win it back this preseason...and say what you will about Mangini, but it's pretty clear he doesn't care what the media or fans think about him; he will do things his way. So, even if starting DA was unpopular, if Mangini thought it was best, he would have done it.
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that is not true. crennel was feeling the weight of losing his job and who knows how much the FO pushed for quinn. that said, regardless of how this preseason played out, unless quinn absolutely stunk it up, it'd be hard to justfy not starting him. you can say what you want about mangini and how he doesn't care about the public but he's also not an idiot. he's giving the fans the look at quinn, knowing we weren't contending anyways. now fans see how bad quinn really is. if/when DA comes back in, hopefully those fans will shut up.
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is it hate on DA, or most feel we know DA's strengths, and more so his weaknesses, and we need to see what we have in Quinn to know if we need to draft a QB next year or not.
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A very good point... Let's face it, the Browns' fan base, as a whole, is pretty dumb. Name one other fan base that would want to trade away 25-year-old quarterback coming off his first season starting, where he led his team to 10-5 record (with a poor defense) and threw for 29 TD's. Yet, this is exactly what some Browns' fans wanted them to do.  The only recent situation I can think of like this is the Chargers trading Brees...that turned out well.
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Oh, the glorification of a sub-mediocre QB is so entertaining! What many of us saw was a guy who hit a perfect storm of teams and put up a bunch of stats, who crapped out in the second half of that season, and has continued to crap out since. Anderson would make a very good backup for a team, as he's doing now.
Some of you talk about how Quinn is the golden boy and idolized for no reason.....better take a look in the mirror when you fawn over Anderson.
Most of us couldn't care less what kind of a "golden boy" Quinn is, we wanted to see what he had because we don't believe in Anderson. You all can keep making up stories about how we all idolize him and hate Anderson, it still remains a bunch of bull.
Keep calling us names like dumb and making up stories about people who don't want Anderson as a QB if that makes you all feel better about your guy. I suppose something has to.
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who crapped out in the second half of that season
Evidence aside from the game against the Bengals?
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I know very little about him, certainly not enough to make a knowledgeable opinion.
That doesn't stop anyone else.
Yeah, pile on!
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Most of us couldn't care less what kind of a "golden boy" Quinn is
Considering what we've all seen since he was drafted, you coulda fooled me.........
The one thing going for Anderson is that for one season he had a good year. Not a pro-bowl year, and not a great year. It was a good year. Nothing more. Unfortunately for Quinn, the boy hasn't lived up to the hype, and because there's actually a little historical proof that Anderson accomplished a certain level of success, people will be able to hold that over Quinn's head because he's accomplished nothing other than undeserved notoriety.
I can see both sides of this debate. It's just a shame that neither guy was able to truly take the job from the other.
At this very point in time, the pro-Quinn people want him not because of what they've seen, but because he "isn't Anderson." The pro-Anderson people want him because even though he spent last year playing like Quinn, he has a level of success that proves he can at least play in this league, even if the question is whether or not he can do it consistently. It's also very fair to say that the pro-Anderson camp realizes that all the Quinn Homers in Ohio stacked the deck against Anderson, and that is a rather unfair and tough thing for a young QB to deal with.
Another thing going for the pro-Anderson camp is that some people who are saying the team around Quinn isn't helping him, and therefore he needs to be cut some slack, tend not to acknowledge that Anderson didn't get any help in the identically same manner last season.
If one excuse/reason is good for one QB, then it must be good for the other. So if people can say Quinn should be given more of a chance because of the team, then it's also fair to say Anderson should have never lost his job because of the performance of the team.
I can make a case for either guy. Unfortunately, I can make a case against either guy as well.
Right now, Quinn is paying the price for all the hype and notoriety. His game is doing anything but backing up all the talk and faith.
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I can make a case for either guy. Unfortunately, I can make a case against either guy as well.
Right now, Quinn is paying the price for all the hype and notoriety. His game is doing anything but backing up all the talk and faith.
Correct.
What's ironic is the people that were clamoring for quinn last year are now using the same arguments to defend him as people used last year to defend Anderson. The quinn supporters poo pooed those last year, but use them this year.
When Quinn lives up to his billing he'll be a golden boy yet again. If he doesn't - it won't be pretty.
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I follow your point Jules...and put that way it makes very very much since. But...is it possible to crap out in the 2nd half of a year when you still went 5-2, and the two losses had balls in the end zone to win the game? Is it crapping out when you have a concussion in the preseason and struggle in the beginning of the year with your top WR fresh of a freak injury and ur #2 WR pulling up lame with a hammy 20 mins before the game? all those things considered...he was 3-5 when benched...and had 2 games that we lost 28-10 (the opener v. Dallas, and game 3 vs. Baltimore) the other losses were by 4 to pitt (who won the super bowl) 3 to washington (a playoff team) and 10 to Baltimore (AFC Championship game losers in a game we led until the 4th Q). We still had beaten, Cincy on the road, the undefeated Giants on MNF, and the Jags on the road. Lets not forget Winslow's staph debacle.
The point to be made...is even when he "crapped out"...only 2 games out of his 8...did we have 0 chance to win in the 4th Q. I dont see where thats "crapping out"
I just dont see it. I saw his performances and only the 1st baltimore game did he really blow it. I remember...we were up 10-7 at the half and then a pick returned to the 1 followed by a pick 6 effectively killed us. Yes...Derek single handedly lost us that game. and...the 2nd Ravens game he did throw a pick 6 on a screen to Wright in the 4th Q while trying to regain the lead. which effectively lost us the game. He didnt lose that one...but he didnt make enough plays in the 4th to make it happen.
One...last interesting point. the Browns went 2-0 without Kellen Winslow with Derek Anderson starting...so saying that we need a superb pass catching TE for our passing game to be stellar...doesnt hold true with #3.
I just dont see where he truly crapped out. 2 bad games against the Ravens? He wouldnt be the first QB to have 2 bad games vs the Ravens
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Who's using excuses? Most people I've seen have said he has looked bad in his first two starts. I've seen people saying he's not the only reason we are losing, and saying they would like to see more than two starts out of him this year, but they've been quite clear that he hasn't played well. It doesn't help your cause to make things up about people.
Toad, I still don't agree with your assessment that those of us who wanted to see Quinn were blinded by the golden boy thing. Other than that, I can agree with most of your post that followed.
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I didn't specifically point the finger at you. I did take exception with your context of the phrase "most of us"  I'm also not even pointing to everyone on this board. I'm thinking more of the dopes I saw when I saw the games on TV, as well as the Homeristic local media.
Afterall, it's a very natural process for the common NFL fan:
Do you want the big, dopey, low-round west-coaster who came over from a hated divisional-rival, or the Golden-boy, Golden-Domer, good-looking local hero who grew up with Browns Underoos on? 
That's a redundant question if I've ever seen one, hehe.
As for the board, let's face it: Diam is a smart guy, and all his pimping made posters stop and consider how good Quinn could be. It's understandable. Unfortunately, at least to this point, Diam was also sold a bill-of-goods.
Bah........I'm digressing and rambling. *L*
The short version is that while you didn't buy into the golden-boy thing, most of the city did. Much of that anticipation is now biting Quinn in the arse.
Man..........the Golden-Boy thing sure does cut both ways..........
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Who's using excuses? Most people I've seen have said he has looked bad in his first two starts. I've seen people saying he's not the only reason we are losing, and saying they would like to see more than two starts out of him this year, but they've been quite clear that he hasn't played well. It doesn't help your cause to make things up about people.
Making things up about people? Come on - my post is right there for everyone to read. What did I make up?
So everyone agrees, Quinn has not played well. Everyone agrees that the team in general has not played well. Count me in on those thoughts.
What I was referring to, and what you apparently missed, is: many people are attempting to say it's not Quinns fault. Fine.
What about last year? Those same people were saying that DA not playing well was his own fault.
This year, it's "Quinn isn't playing well, but rec'.s are dropping passes, the plays called aren't right, and the right side of the line is terrible". Fine.
Last year, for DA, even though it was true, it wasn't enough. People demanded Quinn.
Here we are.
Quinn has some more games to improve, no doubt.
I didn't make anything up, though, thank you very much.
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you get me. this post needs to be stickied.
Well I gotta back you man.
You helped me get a new badarse phone on the super-cheap
On a side note, it occurred to me that even I may have manged to fall for some of the talk about Quinn.
Consider that over the last few years I always argued with Diam over what we saw with Quinn. He saw a great QB, I never quite saw it. So when he was touted as being an "NFL-ready QB" I began to expect him to be just that. As a result, maybe it's possible Quinn needs more time than I felt he needed.
Always possible.
The only problem with that is I've seen other QB's play really well with less time in the NFL, and even when I do see them make mistakes, it's a judgment one, not a physical one, such as accuracy.
I've thought about whether or not I was too emotional regarding my statement that Quinn only has 5 or 6 more games before I'm ready to throw the towel in on him. Honestly..........I think that's fair.
IT ISN'T QUINN'S FAULT!
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I don't think I've seen anyone say that it isn't Quinn's fault. If you've seen that feel free to show it too me. Of course I don't think you can because it doesn't exist.
What does exist is people pointing out other problems with the team. Such as the right side of the oline and our project at WR that isn't panning out. None of those things is making excuses for Quinn's bad play. It's just pointing out other issues with the team.
Quinn has plenty of faults and I haven't seen one person on this board that has said otherwise.
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WRONG.
Just look at the post right above yours
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WRONG.
Just look at the post right above yours
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I don't think I've seen anyone say that it isn't Quinn's fault. If you've seen that feel free to show it too me. Of course I don't think you can because it doesn't exist.
What does exist is people pointing out other problems with the team. Such as the right side of the oline and our project at WR that isn't panning out. None of those things is making excuses for Quinn's bad play. It's just pointing out other issues with the team.
Quinn has plenty of faults and I haven't seen one person on this board that has said otherwise.
I understand. Geez, haven't I said that?
My point is the same situation occurred last year with DA. The same damn thing. Let me put it more bluntly: last year, even though da dealt with the drops - a lot of them - and a porous line, the Quinn supporters were all over DA - demanding Quinn, the game manager.
Well, it's this year. Quinn has had 2 games. He'll get more. He needs them, cause he's shown nothing so far.
Is it that hard to understand? I only ask of Quinn what was demanded of DA last year. It shouldn't be that hard to understand, really.
Go check any of the "who's gonna start at qb this year" threads, from before the season. I stand by what I said in each and everyone of them, and that is: whoever it is will get no slack from me. "
I said it then, I stand by it now.
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5 or 6 more games could be the season though...
we could very well be 1-6, 1-7 more likely than anything else in 5 or 6 more games...IF the QB play remains the way it has been. That scares me...thats the season. completely.
Theres no hope for it. I really thought we could go 8-8 this year...because we have a light schedule...now...i dont think we could beat the Raiders or Chiefs...and im not excited to give Detroit their first win.
That scares me...and thats sad. Has losing hurt us that bad.
What about...doing EVERYTHING you can to win. not tomorrow, not in 6 weeks...now. Do everything you can to win now. Id much rather be in every game and win 6 rather than develop something (well try to develop something) and only win 3.
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lol, it's like the dawgtalker mafia. a favor for you. a favor for me.
i, within myself, flip-flopped so many times. i wanted to and tried to get excited about quinn. i told myself that there had to be something in him. he was a 1st round pick. the media loved him. weiss supported him. ulimately, i felt, if so many people were behind him, there must be something there.
then i saw his performances for myself in an objective light. that was when my skepticism kicked in and found the counterpoints. 1st round qbs fail (billick says 70% of the time). what does the media know? of course weiss supports him, he needs recruits. the entire city of cleveland has been wrong on qb prospects before.
ultimately, i don't care who is the qb. i just want one to stay there for 10 years because the carousel has been too nauseating. that said, i honed in on this because of the blatant hypocrisy and unfounded hate for a guy who flat out didn't deserve it. i saw the unrealistic expectations combined with too many horrible throws by quinn over the past couple of years and just couldn't see the hype.
i understand a fan's curiosity and i understand they want to see a player they *like* play. to that effect, they'll tear whoever is in the way, down. the problem is DA is the ONLY qb who had any semblance of success since 99 for us. the hypocrisy in why DA is bad yet making the same excuses for quinn that posters shot down when used for DA was just so frustrating. compound that with certain posters here who were so oblivious that they thought the competition would be a "corronation," that quinn would destroy everyone, and who went on to rip every single poster personally who disagreed with him, well you just have a recipe for a lot of frustration.
well now we're seeing what we're seeing. i'm with you. a few more games of no improvement and DA gets back on the field. quinn did have a slight improvement in the broncos game. he checked down after scanning the field a little longer but as a result, it showed more light on another flaw. he held on to the ball due to his indecision and took more sacks in the 2nd half.
at this point right now, i don't want to see us draft another top round qb. the reason being we don't have the run game to support him. if we can get that done before the draft, take the best qb, i don't care. if we can't, we need to play with the best qb we can get through free agency, trade, or on our roster.
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5 or 6 more games could be the season though...
Steve, at 0-2, with this level of talent at all the most important positions, the season is already over.
The rebuilding mode is now out there for everyone to see, but just because the dirty little secret is out, don't expect the organization to pull the plug on Quinn right now. That won't happen.
Whatever we may think about these guys, they knew going in that we're rebuilding, and they won't panic and scrap that plan just to get a win. Won't happen. Now if Quinn really goes into the crapper, they could do it, but they won't abandon the plan.
If the bottom-line goal was to win a game tomorrow, Anderson would be in there. But that isn't the long-term goal, so Anderson won't be.
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thats...what i dont think is all that bad.
JL showed during the 1st half of the Vikes game that he can get back to being that guy who churned out 1300 yards...
we have a similar JoeJ WR in Furrey, and a slot guy in Cribbs...as well as 2 2ns round rookies.
Our Right side of the OL is the shakiest spot...and if you add a TE or RB to chip on that side very often...we could be a very solid team though...that will win games and people may want to play here...because I dont think Shaun Rogers will want to stay here if we just keep getting crushed because our O doesnt move the ball...
Why would BE17 stay here...and the more of our upper echelon talent we lose because we arent committed to winning, the worse off we'll be. Guys want to win...and you get that by showing a commitment to winning.
Thats i think more of a reason we dont sign talent, or get players to play here...or stay here...its because our commitment is to build not win.
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Another thing going for the pro-Anderson camp is that some people who are saying the team around Quinn isn't helping him, and therefore he needs to be cut some slack, tend not to acknowledge that Anderson didn't get any help in the identically same manner last season.
I like how its that cut and dried, dont actually evaluate the team or how each played, if you called out DA, after 20 starts you have to call Quinn on all his mistakes, right now, after 5.
Plus, we are not allowed to actually look into the things on a deeper level. It just shows how insanely biasis this whole thing is.
And how pointless, neither DA nor Quinn are going to be great QB's in this league, we arent the only only ones who view DA that way, nobody dropped a dime to trade for him this last off-season, and based on other moves this bunch made, had a team dropped 3rd rounder, we'd taken it.
Quinn has played bad, has had bad surrounding, but hes played 5 games. If we are gonna go back and give DA more chances, then we should give Quinn the same 25 starts.
Cuz afterall, REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, you have to do the other EXACTLY THE SAME. No matter what....
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If we are gonna go back and give DA more chances, then we should give Quinn the same 25 starts.
So Anderson loses the job in the wrong way first, therefore Quinn should be allowed to reap the rewards of the acknowledgment of that mistake.
Hehehe...........
What you're saying is the following:
(some guy in a bar....)
"Ya know, Bob, Anderson really didn't get any help from the offensive line or the receivers. We were wrong for benching him when we did. He deserves another chance. BUT, hey, since I'm admitting he should have had more time, I think now is a great time to let Quinn have more time. That's fair!"
Again, I'm not in the middle of the argument about whether or not Anderson should be starting or if Quinn should be benched. I'm reserving that decision until I decide if Quinn is getting better or not.
I pointed out the unfairness of those that crucified Anderson while giving Quinn a free pass when the situations were identical. It's not for me to go around and point every single one of those posters out. They know who they are. All I'm doing is explaining why those that are pro-Anderson feel the way they do, and why they have a legitimate beef.
Remember, as much as I doubt Quinn, I'm not calling for his benching. That time may come rather soon, but that's not what I'm doing.
Anyway, for those that would want him benched, it's unfortunate that I can make a very convincing argument supporting that decision.
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My problem with the whole let Quinn develop thing is that we have no idea what we have in Anderson. We saw both sides of the spectrum on Anderson. That New York Giants game was the best I have seen in a long time from our QB and our team in general.
I guess my question is this:
With playing time could Anderson become more Hide and less Jekyll?
I have seen what the ceiling for Anderson could be. So far Quinn's ceiling has been hovering just above the floor. It remains we have 2 relative unknowns. However, 1 of them has shown us that they could be a great QB. Why not give that one a chance to develop, instead of giving playing time to a guy who hasn't shown us anything.
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Oh, the glorification of a sub-mediocre QB is so entertaining!
What did I glorify in my post? Everything I stated is a fact. Take the name Anderson out of it. Why would anyone want to trade a 25-year-old QB that threw for 29 TD's and won 10 games after first year starting . If Quinn did that this year I'd be ecstatic!
Because then we could trade him for 1st and 2nd round picks and draft Bradford! /sarcasm
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Oh, the glorification of a sub-mediocre QB is so entertaining!
What did I glorify in my post? Everything I stated is a fact. Take the name Anderson out of it. Why would anyone want to trade a 25-year-old QB that threw for 29 TD's and won 10 games after first year starting . If Quinn did that this year I'd be ecstatic!
Because then we could trade him for 1st and 2nd round picks and draft Bradford! /sarcasm
Be patient. I'm still waiting to hear from her what I made up. When she does respond, hold on to your socks....
Here's the bottom line, in my opinion: she was calling for Quinn early last season. She, and many others, harped about how bad DA was with his short pass accuracy. They blame most losses on DA.
Now, Quinn is the starter, and he's shown nothing. The NFL ready qb has proven in his 5 starts that he is NOT nfl ready.
Another steady of the pro Quinn people was: game management. We all know that's a fallacy.
His short pass accuracy was another supposed plus. We've seen where that got us.
Now, Quinn supporters are left with: give him time (the nfl ready player 3 years ago needs more time), OR, the line sucks, OR the play calling sucks.
But last year, the Quinn backers poo pooed those same things.
Quinn will get his time. I don't have a problem with it, aside from cringing everytime he drops back on 3rd and 8 or more, knowing he'll find the wide open rec. at 1 yd.
But, what worked for the negative people last year apparently doesn't apply this year.
Still don't know what I "made up". 
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Pray that few Browns fans are criminally insane enough to wish to go that route, Jeep........
We both know it's coming. I love this place.
For me it's either Sam Bradford or Tim Hiller! 
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If we are rebuilding, and I believe we are, then where are the rookies, let's see what they have, season them up a bit this year with some playing time, and put Cribs back on ST, and give BE a little rest. If we believe BE will be gone next year, now is the time to test the new WRs we picked up in the second round. 
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I have a feeling we might be waiting a long time...
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I hope y'all know, if we keep drafting QBs, Thomas will be an old man before we get a team. We need a core first. No fail guys that will be here a while. Whether you like it or not, Phipps was not a first round talent, and Bernie was a game manager. Both had serious faults in their game, but look who was on the team with them.
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don't forget leadership. i don't consider this leadership: Quote:
Does he need to use more vertical passes to stretch defenses?
“Without a doubt, but you have to understand ... the best way to open up things downfield is to have a running game.”
http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x2024002637/Browns-notebook-Flacco-beats-Quinn-in-a-knockout-at-QB
so quinn: what happened when jamal had over 5 yards a carry? why don't you complete some passes so our running game doesn't see a stacked box every down! 
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The bottom line is, Quinn is taking too much time to make a decision. He's got to be quicker with his decision making. He's holding the ball too long, which is causing the sacks. There have been many times where he had a lot of time to get rid of the ball in these 2 games. I don't know if there wasn't anyone open, or he is just having indecision. But something has to change quickly, or he's gonna get benched sooner than later.
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don't forget leadership. i don't consider this leadership:
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Does he need to use more vertical passes to stretch defenses?
“Without a doubt, but you have to understand ... the best way to open up things downfield is to have a running game.”
http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x2024002637/Browns-notebook-Flacco-beats-Quinn-in-a-knockout-at-QB
so quinn: what happened when jamal had over 5 yards a carry? why don't you complete some passes so our running game doesn't see a stacked box every down!
Nice. Two weeks, two teammates thrown under the bus by our mediocre QB.
Please, someone in the locker room remind Brady about how Jamal's YPC against Minnesota eclipsed Brady's YPA for 3.5 quarters and ask him again about how the running game needs to open up the passing game.
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Just a general comment here ......
I consider a successful start by a QB as moving the team ... scoring ... and having the team in position to win the game.
So far, Quinn has started 5 games.
His 1st start was against Denver. We lost ... but put up 30 points. I consider that a successful start. IIRC, it was a late defensive collapse that allowed Denver to win that game.
His 2nd game was against Buffalo. 14-36 for 185 yards/ 0TD - 0 INT. A 5 FG day. The Browns won ..... so do we consider that a success? OK.
His 3rd game was against Houston. Abysmal. He was injured at some point .... so we'll let that be a wash.
His 4th game was against Minnesota. Horrible. Not a success by any stretch of the imagination.
His 5th game was against Denver. That was probably even worse that week 1. Definitely not a success.
That puts the scoresheet at a very generous 2 successful games, 2 miserable games, and 1 scratch.
His career stat line so far is 87-163 53.4% completion / 929 yards/ 5.7 yards/attempt/ 3 TDs/ 4 INTs/ 10 sacks/ and 2 fumbles lost. That doesn't scream "I can QB this team to wins!".
Quinn needs to start establishing some successes or he'll lose his teammates. Guys like Edwards remember the Charlie Frye fiasco, and how that particular QB held the team back. If Quinn starts getting that perception in the locker room, it's going to be even harder for him to establish himself. Not only that, but if he continues to place blame on his teammates, no one will want to play alongside him ..... whether it is this years players, or potential free agents.
Quinn is obviously a work in progress ..... and requires far, far more work that many thought he would. Thus far he has exhibited the very difficulties that I feared he would from watching him in the pre-season. I don't forsee this being anything resembling a successful year .... and I fear that the Browns may kick themselves for not having taken a #1 for this guy when they had the chance.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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j/c...
Everyone knows I was a Brady fan. But, I am starting to question that (Even though the QB threads 2 weeks after the season is stupid lol). So, not trying to defend BQ here, but on Mike and Mike this morning, they had Adam Shefter (sp?) on, and he said something like:
"If you talk to people around the league, they say Brady Quinn looks skiddish in the pocket, like he knows he's going to get hit."
Not trying to defend him, but perhaps the right side of our line being like a revolving door is causing Brady to check down too soon, and causing some inaccurate passes?
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Pretty accurate I think...
He's pulling a Charlie Frye... but Quinn is gonna have to suck it up and just get hit... BEFORE you throw the pass.. lol.. It's the NFL.. It's going to happen.... but he is not going to get any respect from defenses if they know he is going to throw short passes.. He must stretch the field once in a while. And he is gonna have to do it with Braylon b/c Braylon is the only WR we have that gets a tad bit of respect from defenders.
MoMass could catch 100+ yards next game, but after that.. He's still an inexperienced rookie thats going to make mistakes... same goes for Robo (still don't understand how he can't get on the field).
The Quinn-Edwards connection must get turned on... o yea... a little blocking from the o-line, and more powerful running from our HB's will help too.
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