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Interesting..Rucker was billed a good recieving target...but I don't think he was given a chance to show or develop blocking skills..
Eh..I'd sacrifice the TE and see if there's a linemen to bring in..
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I have a feeling EM will be purging all season. I wouldn't doubt that he told Lerner that things will get very ugly this year...and they aren't even worrying about wins
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I have a feeling EM will be purging all season. I wouldn't doubt that he told Lerner that things will get very ugly this year...and they aren't even worrying about wins
And if Lerner said that is okay.. thats fine.. I understand... He is crazy... 
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well this came as a surprise. Hardly saw the kid play, who knows what we had in him. Evidently not much, or he would have been given the benefit of the doubt to prove it.
Will be interesting to see who picks him up.
Blown pick. Cost us a third- ouch.
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This was probably all understood upon hiring Mangini
And I agree, I think everyone in our front office is out of their minds...but I will give time
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Obviusly, Mangini saw or didnt see enough in practice to keep the kid. Dont forget we may see him once a week on tv or at the stadium for a few hours, Mangini see's these guys every day since July for 8-10 hours a day, If the kid didnt show him something bye now, he probebly wasnt gonna.
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Obviusly, Mangini saw or didnt see enough in practice to keep the kid. Dont forget we may see him once a week on tv or at the stadium for a few hours, Mangini see's these guys every day since July for 8-10 hours a day, If the kid didnt show him something bye now, he probebly wasnt gonna.
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Get use to this folks.....This is gonna happen all season, there will be more to come and more named players let go.
As opposed to unnamed?  
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Hmm .... kind of surprising that a team struggling to find a weapon for its QB would cut a guy who would seem to be a solid seam type.
Looks like blocking is the key with a TE.
This guy is 6'8" and listed at 265.
This may be creeping out on a limb a bit, but I wonder if we have thoughts of doing a Ricky Bolden on the guy and are thinking of switching him to a tackle??
If he is listed at 265, it isn't out of reason to think he is already in the 270-275 range....maybe the reason he was cut by the Jags where they might be looking for a quicker TE.
Just a thought.
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I don't think blocking is THE key. But it certainly should figure into the equation. If you're a TE, you should be able to block. Especially on this team. We need all the help we can get.
It played a role in the decision to part with KW2. The guy is a reciever who lines up on the line of scrimage. Blocking for K2 just wasn't gonna happen with his knees. There were other things that played into it (Like his A.T.)but that seemed to be the big one.
From what I'd always heard, Rucker was a catch-first TE who needed much work on his blocking. Same problem as K2. The two of them were often compared.
I agree. These coaches have seen these guys extensively this year. S while it seems like a short-leash, rash decision to us, it most likely wasn't to them.
I like the sound of the new guy, actually. But these guys are replacing guys that weren't even activated. In the end, I doubt this will have much effect either way.
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maybe Rucker was the guy that stole the bottle of water from the hotel? 
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maybe Rucker was the guy that stole the bottle of water from the hotel?
Or exposed Wright's knees in the Denver game. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you will soon . . . . 
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That was Elam 
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.. Or exposed Wright's knees in the Denver game. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you will soon . "
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Haven't got a clue what you are talking about .. Elaborate ?
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The knock on Estandia is his blocking....he is much more WR than OT
I love the guy...but at this point....he is what he is
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Who fined Wright, the team or the league?
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I think Rucker could have been good-----and could certainly have been an offensive weapon. A pass-catching TE with good size and speed. I believe Savage picked him as a bit of a project to eventually replace Kellen---since those knees weren't going to hold up forever.
But Mangini wants and NEEDS a TE for blocking, we have all seen what St. Clair looks like on the end there. Having a big blocking TE beside him will definitely help. This is why Rucker never saw the field.
While Ruckers lack of blocking skills are certainly why we released him---his pass-catching skills mean that we just threw away a potentially potent offensive weapon.
And with our offense, weapons are what we need. We have nearly zero. Our offense is ridiculously predictable and with a TE that stays in to block most of the time---its just one less guy to throw the ball to.
IMO, this offense is going to be bad for awhile---until Mangini can ring in the lineman and RB's to execute the power running attack he wants. That means that we can expect big changes to the OL in the offseason. I think that Mack and Thomas are going to be the only guys Mangini will look to keep---the rest he will look to upgrade. Along with the backfield.
Right now, we simply don't have the personnel to execute his game plan. And we won't for at least another off-season, and possibly two.
I don't see us becoming competitive for at least another year or two. It would shock the hell outta me if we win a game this year--let alone several.
This is a total rebuild---its what the fans wanted.
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I keep reading about how we don't have any weapons. While I agree that we haven't identified guys that can be consistant weapons, how do we know if there aren't any on the roster.
MoMass, Robiskie, Harrison, Davis, Edwards, Furrey, Cribbs(not as a reciever), Maybe even Royal eventually. These are all potential weapons. Some of them possibly very good. We just haven't been able to utilize them as such.
I honestly think that if we had Jerry Rice (in his prime) on this team, we'd still be screwed.
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Another roster move, too:
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Browns | Madison signed
Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:14:14 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the National Football Post, reports the Cleveland Browns have signed unrestricted free-agent CB Anthony Madison (Steelers). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.
Is this the guy that guaranteed a Steeler victory over the Patriots in 2007 right before Tom Brady lit him up for like three touchdowns? Or was that Anthony Smith?
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IMO, all the Browns have been doing is getting rid of players that don't belong in the league and picking up other team's waste that just puts them back into the same spot they were before.
I guess that just goes to show just how important the Draft is.
Our Offense is most likely the worst in the league, but our Defense hasn't been too horrible in the 1st Half, but with as many 3 and outs we get, you can't blame them for getting tired in the 2nd Half.
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As opposed to unnamed?
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Just a quick note on Madison....Steelers and Steeler fans loved him...but he is a ST guy....you put him at nickel....and well...he will get abused sooner or later....but great ST player.
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This is getting rediculous...first we lose Carey then we get D. Smith DB then we drop Smith and get FLoyd and then Madison ...what is the difference? We lost a decent 5th rounder so we can get a UDFA. One UDFA is as good as another unless we are not able to pick one.
Rucker had talent and we could have used him as an alternative to Royal who was an alternative to DInkins. Is the GM just trying to look busy? We are never going to do anything unless we get talent and coach them. Every time we lose a coach the team disolves and we have to rebuild for four years only to lose another coach...this is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is getting rediculous...first we lose Carey then we get D. Smith DB then we drop Smith and get FLoyd and then Madison ...what is the difference? We lost a decent 5th rounder so we can get a UDFA. One UDFA is as good as another unless we are not able to pick one.
Rucker had talent and we could have used him as an alternative to Royal who was an alternative to DInkins. Is the GM just trying to look busy? We are never going to do anything unless we get talent and coach them. Every time we lose a coach the team disolves and we have to rebuild for four years only to lose another coach...this is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are all bottom of the roster guys... my guess is that the GM is trying to find some that might be able to work their way onto the 45 man gameday roster and contribute a little... which usually means special teams. Now that we have a special teams demon, we get to see if he can improve his actual DB play and perhaps actually help out further.
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MoMass, Robiskie, Harrison, Davis, Edwards, Furrey, Cribbs(not as a reciever), Maybe even Royal eventually. These are all potential weapons.
Potential weapons?
With all due respect...if we went back a few year ago, who would be on that list? Jamel White? Ben Gay? Quincy Morgan? Keith Heinrich?
Let's face it -- we don't have weapons outside of Edwards. We have giant, bold and italicized question marks. Maybe they will pan out...but 'maybe they will pan out is a good philosophy for your end of the roster guys...but if you're wondering that about your starters?
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And with respect to you, how could you possibly know what the careers of Davis, MoMass and Robiskie are going to look like. We are 2 games into a season featuring one of the worst right side OL in the game, a rookie QB and possible the worst OC we've seen in years.
ANY team has to deal with unknowns when it comes to players potential. It's part of the game. So if you can dismiss new players because they've yet to get an opportunity to realize their potential, you're going to be flushing a whole lot of great would-be players.
Granted, the names you listed from our past were total wash-outs. But that doesn't mean that you can never expect anything from a guy who has yet to get a chance.
And I think there's a pretty big diofference between James Davis and Ben Gay.
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MoMass, Robiskie, Harrison, Davis, Edwards, Furrey, Cribbs(not as a reciever), Maybe even Royal eventually. These are all potential weapons. Some of them possibly very good. We just haven't been able to utilize them as such.
Weapons? Like bamboo spears or an old 18th century musket?
I see one "Weapon" on that list.....which is why we show up to a gun fight with knives every week.
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And with respect to you, how could you possibly know what the careers of Davis, MoMass and Robiskie are going to look like.
I don't know.
Which, to me, makes them question marks, not 'potential weapons'.
Perhaps we're getting into word semantics here, but at this juncture I'd think it's safe to say that we have a skeletal offense when it comes to talent. When those other guys prove themselves, then we can say it's more fleshed out.
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You're right. It is semantics.
It's the question of whether you consider yourself optimistc (in which case you could call an unproven player with physical skills a potential weapon), or pessimistic and you need to classify them as question marks.
I wouldn't blame anyone who follows this team to be the latter, btw. We have had frightenly consistant player busts over the last decade. All I'm saying is that I think it's too early to say that we don't have ANY weapons on our offense when we just don't know yet.
I'm sure we'll know pretty damn soon. though.
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j/c for the topic of the thread, eagles signed rucker to their practice squad Quote:
Eagles sign former Browns TE Rucker
By Carlos "Big C" Holmes | Thursday, September 24, 2009, 11:40 AM
The Philadelphia Eagles today announced they have signed tight end Martin Rucker to the practice squad and released tight end Rob Myers from the practice squad. The 6-foot-5, 260-pound Rucker was a fourth round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns in 2008, and caught two passes for 17 yards in five games in his rookie season. Rucker was waived by the Browns on September 22, 2009.
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But I thought Rucker was good enough to make an immediate impact on a team?
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well come on, it's not liek the eagles have been looking for an impact at TE for the past 5 years...oh wait...
more and more examples of how we're just fans and we simply don't see what the coaches see.
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Good for Rucker, he's out of the AFC, we can root for him to grow into a solid carreer.
As for as our "weapons". you think it's bad this year? Wait till BE fly's the coup. Correct me if I'm wrong but with this collective bargaining agreement results pending, Braylon will either be a complete free agent, and probably bolt the hell out of Brownsland, or we'll have to franchise him to keep him.
Do I understand that right? Our weapons, as you say, could be non exsistant next season.
Regarding our run of "Busts", I think many of them our magnified by the constant sorry state of our team and the talent around our draft picks. Our picks just won't progress as well as say a player that is drafted to a constant contender. Picture Courtney Brown drafted by the Ravens or the Stealers as an easy example. Make your own up with your favorite so called bust. Are some of these guys busts? heck yeah. just like everyteam.
To make matters worse, you factor is the solid player like braylon leaving in free agency and the cycle continues.
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